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hey, everybody, goods to be with you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for katy tur. we have got a lot going on this afternoon. we have an admission of guilt involving the video leak of witness interviews in the georgia election fraud case. we have it on tape, and what it means for future plea deals. that's ahead.
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up first, though, the largest economies, china and the u.s. meeting face to face for the first time in a year. fierce rivals who find the relationship between the two countries at the lowest in decades. president xi saying, quote, turning our backs on each other is not an option. president biden in a strong position, thanks in part to a healthy u.s. economy. in stark contrast to china's sluggish post pandemic recovery. china's weakened currency and high unemployment rate likely giving biden the upper hand today as competition between china and the u.s. is expected to be the center of the conversation. but with two wars raging overseas, and china's ongoing relationship with russia and iran, this meeting could provide an opening for biden to influence two major conflicts. joining us from san francisco, nbc news white house correspondent, monica alba, and janis mackey frayer as well. give us the top priorities for the biden administration and how confident the white house is for
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this in-person meeting? >> reporter: they are just pleased that the meeting is actually happening, yasmin, and that is something certainly that we've heard from chinese officials as well. and that is a big take away from the fact that they are actually coming face to face for the first time in a year, since that conversation along the sidelines of the g20 summit in indonesia. so much has happened since then. that is really something that both president biden and president xi nodded to in their comments, opening this meeting, that we expect to take place, anywhere from three to four hours. they're speaking through translators, that's a part and component of why it will take so long. there are so many thorny issues on the agenda, as well. probably number one on the list is just getting back to a baseline of diplomatic and military communications, restoring some of those channels that really had broken down, more than a year ago, and that only got worse after the u.s. shot down that chinese spy balloon in february. so that is something that
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president biden believes will be able to be an announcement that comes from this. that's restoring a little bit of predictability to this relationship. but he also nodded to the strategic competition here, and then also to some areas of possible cooperation like when it comes to counter narcotics. so that means fentanyl and the trade and flow of it that starts in chemical companies in china, that is then moved to mexico where it is then smuggled into the united states. and as we know, mixed with other drugs that has led to this incredibly deadly epidemic we have seen with opioids. that is likely something that could come from this. in addition, conversations about putting guardrails on artificial intelligence and technologies as it relates to nuclear weapons, and then of course there's the backdrop of everything else happening in the world right now, which we do expect these two leaders to discuss, specifically the israel-hamas war, and russia's invasion of
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ukraine as well. >> i'm wondering, monica, what the priority is here for the president, considering how much there actually is to discuss. when you looked at the table of that bilat meeting, and the very beginnings of the meeting, next, the president, you saw secretary of state further down. you saw john kerry who's an environmental envoy. you saw gina raimondo, secretary of commerce, janet yellen, what is the number one priority for the president in this meeting? >> reporter: it's really just about reestablishing the fact that the two countries, he believes, can work together, and when you look at all of those people you just mentioned, some of them were critical to laying the ground work to get to the point of where we are here today. it was secretary blinken, who, remember, was supposed to travel to china. that visit got scrapped in the wake of the spy balloon incident. he then went a few months later. so did secretary yellen, so did secretary raimondo.
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that is really because they believe that intensive diplomacy was necessary to allow for this meeting now to be here. but when you talk about the priority here, there is also something very clear when it comes to the u.s. perspective to all of this that heading into a 2024 election cycle like we are, this is something where president biden wants to project annen -- an image of strength, trying to demonstrate a willingness to be tough. you saw the president speaking to the relationship he has with president xi. they have met a number of times overs last 12 years or so. there is a familiarity here, and the president said he trusts that president xi has been candid, has been honest in what he has conveyed to him in recent years. that really sets the tone of this, where there are very difficult, intractable issues that will be discussed. from a position where president biden wants to be clear that he knows the man he is sitting across from, and that he knows
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in the words of president xi, that the world is large enough for both of these economic and military superpowers to find some common ground, and really just to normalize relations here to the point of a degree of predictability so that things can't get worse. >> talk about what beijing is dealing with now, what xi is dealing with as a leader. the u.s. economy recovering quite well post pandemic, we cannot stay the same for china, obviously. united states is almost within an election year. xi is dealing with political distractions as well inside china. talk us through some of those, if you will. >> reporter: well, the rise that china saw with the growth of its economy over the past few decades appears to be over. growth has slowed down. it's still recording some growth, but certainly not to the
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extent that it had been, and there are real cracks in the economy, concerns about property sector crisis, local government debt. youth unemployment is now so high. 1 in 5 young people unemployed. the government has simply stopped reporting the numbers all together. so there are some very fundamental problems with china's economy, as it makes this transformation. any of the analysts that i speak to there strike on this point that it's because china's economy is transforming from a manufacturing economy to one that is more tech-based and service oriented. so in the short-term, china is slowing down, and it's why we see xi jinping meeting with business leaders here, and also the importance of the visits to china by secretaries yellen and raimondo. they are the gate keepers of the tech export controls that have really hit china's tech sector. so in having xi jinping come
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here, he is wanting to smooth those waters and perhaps get some relief from the biden administration to help the economy in that sense. but overall, this is about image for xi jinping. this is about the optics, having him come here as a guest of the united states of america, to have the president give him this grand welcome where every move, every flower has been choreographed because all of these images are being sent back home, and people are seeing that he's being welcomed as a global statesmen. that two men with differing views are still sitting at the same table and are at least talking again. this will start to get underway the very important change that needs to happen on the chinese side, and that's how most chinese view the u.s. the propaganda to this point has been very critical of the u.s., that the u.s. wants to contain china, and now we're seeing
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state media trying to shift public opinion. >> i wonder with that, the images that will emerge from the bilat, how much does xi care about domestic approval? >> reporter: he does. he needs to have the support of the people. that's always been the agreement is that there's -- it's like an exchange. there's stability for prosperity. there's loyalty. there's prosperity, and because the economy has been under performing and it's an ageing population, and there are other issues facing the economy, there's less of a sense of prosperity now. so he's cognizant of that. he also doesn't want to be the leader to oversee china's economic decline. there is about shoring up economic ties with china's number one trading partner to the tune of $750 million. so there is up side for china in this. of course there are still a host of challenges that are going to remain between these two
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countries. a lot of competition, outright rivalry in some aspects. but it will be the importance of showing that xi jinping was well received by the u.s. president and that they are, again, talking. >> janis mackey frayer, thank you, monica alba, thank you as well. i want to bring in now the chair of the freedom house board of trustees, former congresswoman, jane harmon, ranking member of the intelligence committee four years after 9/11. thank you so much for joining us on this. we appreciate it. i want to read a quote from "the new rk times" about the relationship between the united states and china. written by a harvard professor, graham allison saying, first, the u.s. and china will be the fiercest rivals history has ever seen, going on to writ son each nation's very survival requires a degree of cooperation from the other. do you agree with this assessment? >> sort of. i have great admiration for graham, but he did write a book
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where he says war is inevitable by a growing power against an established power. i don't think that's true, and i don't think joe biden thinks that's true, and i actually don't even think xi jinping thinks that's true. i was going to answer your earlier question to the superb all women team that you were just questioning by saying a goal of the summit is to manage distrust. both sides bring distrust into equation, and the thing that has to happen is for both sides to make their boundaries clear, and hopefully to have a candid conversation. i think joe biden can handle that kind of conversation very well. we'll have to see if xi jinping can, but he has a lot riding on this. to add to his troubles that his quarantine, the total quarantine to covid over many years really crashed his economy. plus, the single child policy of china over some years has
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resulted in negative birthrates. so they may have -- they have an under employed young group of people and a small group growing after them. so they have a kind of bleak economic picture here. and i would just add one more thing. i think that xi jinping sees this not just as a political trip, but as your commentator said, as a business trip. he's trying to encourage u.s. business to invest because the tech sanctions biden imposed against national security technology and some other things have really hurt his economy. >> aside from talking about the economy, there's also a geopolitical situation as well. you have two wars raging overseas right now. and xi certainly has somewhat of an ally ship, a friendship with president vladimir putin, and along with president rice, supporting backing hamas. backing hezbollah, and involved in this proxy war with the united states. how much of this conversation do you think the president will be having with china's president
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xi, and trying to influence his discussions with president putin and iran's president? >> i think that will be on the table. i think ukraine will be on the table too. china's moves in the middle east have been tentative. it's russia that's all in. and obviously ukraine, russia, china, the north korea are an axis of trouble wherever in the world in certain senses. but i think it will come up. and i think xi will be cautious. i don't think xi wants a major regional war in the middle east. it's not good for him. i don't think he wants a major regional war anywhere. and let's put on the table, too, there are elections, taiwan is having elections early next year, and obviously u.s. policy remains that taiwan is a part of china, the one china policy, and that will be clarified, you think. but in exchange, the u.s. will want to know that china doesn't meddle in taiwan's election, and
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i think human rights. you mentioned that i'm now cochair of the freedom house board, human rights, especially this mass incarceration of the uyghurs will be raised too. it's probably the biggest you could call it genocide going on in the world, and china is carrying this on and has been for years. >> congresswoman, i have one more for you, and that is reestablishing military communication. xi cut off military communication during the chinese spy balloon incident. secretary of state tony blinken tried to reestablish that this past summer, was unsuccessful. do you see that as a top priority for the president, and what is the disadvantage for not having that line open? >> the disadvantage is the possibility of miscommunication, misunderstanding each other's intentions. and let's understand from gaza, israel, weaponized disinformation is a major tool of hamas as an example.
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and disinformation can lead to misunderstanding. these ties were cut off because of nancy pelosi's visit to china, which she had every right to make as speaker of the house, which is an independent branch of our government. the chinese got mad, cut off the ties, the pentagon and especially the new commander of the joint chiefs of staff have been urging they reestablish. i think this would be a win for both sides. i do think it's in china's interests, and i know it's in the u.s.'s interest to have communications that are accurate between our militaries. >> former congresswoman jane harman, thank you very much, appreciate it. up next, who leaks the witness interviews in donald trump's election interference case. we are live in fulton county after a very quick break. plus, why donald trump could be facing a subpoena in hunter biden's gun case, and our own raf sanchez was with idf forces inside gaza today. what he saw as the military takes its war to hamas to
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all right. we've got a big development out of fulton county, a lawyer for misty hampton, one of the fake electors charged alongside former president donald trump in georgia made this admission to the judge today after footage showing multiple defendants being questioned was leaked to the media. >> in being transparent with the court and to make sure that nobody else gets blamed for what happened, and so that i can go to sleep well tonight, judge, i did release those videos to one outlet. and in all candor, i need the court to know that. >> i want to bring in from atlanta, nbc news correspondent blayne alexander. that was certainly, i think, a surprise and a shock that admission was heard, obviously during this hearing. before we get to the judge's decision, blayne, walk us
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through, remind us of who misty hampton is, and how surprising of an admission this was? >> reporter: misty hampton is one of the 18 people charged alongside donald trump. that's part of the indictment where she fits into this. what happened today in court certainly was very notable. there was no protective order. there was nothing technically or legally preventing any of the attorneys from making any of this information public. it's just certainly not something that we see happen very often. what happened today, the hearing was called because the d.a.'s team entered an emergency order essentially saying, listen, we need a safeguard to prevent something like this from happening in the future, to prevent another leak like this. and so as the judge was hearing from one by one, all of the 15 remaining defense attorneys, that's when we heard the attorney for misty hampton basically say, hey, listen, so i can sleep at night, to put this out there, make sure the court
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knows i was the one who leaked the videos. it's important to point out that he only references two of the videos. of course the judge naturally asks, why did you do that, and he said he believes that two of those videos don't necessarily hurt his client. in fact, they actually help his client, and he believed that the public needed to know that. those are two of the videos he spoke about. it's worth mentioning, there were several outlets, at least three different outlets that had some form of the videos, so it leads to the question whether or not they were released in any other way. certainly something the judge is going to take into account when issuing the order, thank you, blayne. hunter biden wants to subpoena donald trump and his top officials, saying his criminal investigation is a direct result of incessant, improper and partisan pressure from trump and his allies. he was indicted on gun charges in september. joining us nbc news investigative correspondent, tom
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winter, with this. what exactly is hunter biden's objective here? >> this was filed in the criminal case. and the gun charges you referenced a second ago. the focus from his attorney, abbe lowell is to get some of the communications from four individuals, the former president of the united states, donald trump, his attorney general towards the end of the term, bill barr, and two justice department officials at the helm toward the end of trump's first and only term in office. that's richard donoghue and jeff rosen. so he's looking to get those documents to try to prove what you laid out there which is this idea that, in fact, this is a result, all of this is a result of a malicious and vindictive prosecution, and a selective prosecution of hunter biden. he says if it were not for the pressure being put upon these individuals by former president trump, and he cites an example, and former ag barr's book, in
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one instance that this cas investigation would not have come to fruition. it not something he can demand. it's not somet that's automatic, and of course, we should point out that this prosecution was actually brought, even though the investigation started during the trump administration, that the investigation was actually brought following the special counsel status granted to david weiss, during the biden administration. just a little bit of context there. i think it foreshadows the legal fight that we should expect in this component of the criminal case and investigation. >> tom winter for us, thank you, tom. appreciate it. i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst, and former u.s. attorney, barbara mcquade to talk about all of this. let's start with tom, and double back to georgia later on. this goes to the heart of hunter biden's defense that it was all politically motivated. how difficult is it to prove something like this? >> it's a pretty high bar, yasmin, and i think it's not terribly likely that hunter
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biden will succeed here. he's arguing either selective prosecution or vindictive prosecution. selective prosecution is an equal protection clause violation. it means that you are charging only on the basis of some discriminatory factor, like race, religion, and another arbitrary factor. that could include politics. you have to show they intended to violate the equal protection rights, and others that were similarly situated were also prosecuted. you have to show that you are prosecuted for exercising some legal rights, so sometimes someone takes an appeal, and then after they appeal, the case goes back for a retrial, and the person is treated more harshly to get back at them for exercising that right. again, i don't know that we've got that sort of allegation here. but i agree with tom, i think what this really signified is a shot across the bow that hunter biden is not going to go quietly, and this is going to be scorched earth litigation.
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>> i want to double back to georgia, if we can. shocking, the commission from misty hampton, what do you make of this? >> it's interesting. sometimes the lawyers who are accustomed to practicing locally in state court have not seen the bright spotlights of national litigation, and so i think he turned this over thinking that maybe this would be helpful to his case, and then, you know, got caught up in it, and there he was in the courtroom and doesn't want to have a problem, so he outed himself. but i think a protective order in a case of this magnitude is an absolute must. i'm surprised they didn't have one in the first instance. as the judge said in the hearing, we want to try this case in court, not the court of public opinion. the lawyer admitted he wanted to help his client by putting it out there in the public. this case is about, like all cases, it should be resolved in court, and so a protective order to keep all of this out of the public domain until the trial is most appropriate.
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>> after the other plea deals were struck, we have talked a lot about the fact that misty hampton cou the next person on the list to actually flip trike a plea deal. i'm wondering if this admission by her attorney, because she hasn't struck one yet, could actually put that in jeopardy? >> that's really interesting, isn't it? i can imagine if you are the prosecutor, you're not happy with this lawyer. he did take responsibility by issuing this mea culpa there in front of the judge, but i suppose what he would say is there was no order so i didn't violate the law in any way, but it's a little cute, and i'm sure it has damaged their relationship a little bit. nonetheless, prosecutors care more about the case than they care about saving face or embarrassment or bad feelings. if it makes sense in the case, she'll get a plea deal. >> i want to talk new york for just one second. donald trump's team filing a motion more a mistrial. not a surprise. we knew this was coming. his attorneys repeatedly said this was incoming. does it have any legs here?
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>> no. zero. i mean, they're just accusing the judge of improper bias, based on his rules, based on things he said in the past. you know, this is not going to fly. we are now weeks into this trial. if they wanted to recuse him on the basis of his bias, the time to do that was before the trial. there's nothing about his conduct that has been improper. i think this has zero percent chance of being granted. >> barbara mcquade, always a pleasure, thank you. conducting what it's calling a targeted raid. raf sanchez was with the idf in gaza city, close to the hospital. what he saw today when he joins us after the break. plus, what a republican lawmaker is accusing fbi director chris wray of doing on january 6th. we'll be right back. healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you're covered for
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welcome back. today, israeli forces conducting what they call a targeted operation against hamas inside gaza's largest hospital. the operation is intensifying concerning for the hundreds of civilians including dozens of premature babies that are trapped inside that hospital. nbc's news foreign correspondent raf sanchez was with israeli defense forces inside gaza and joins me now from tel aviv. it has been so difficult, raf, to get information out of gaza firsthand. you went on a ride along inside gaza, walk us through what you saw. >> reporter: yeah, yasmin, this was my second trip inside of
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gaza since the start of the war with the israeli military, but this was the first time that i was able to see with my own eyes palestinian civilians inside gaza, the people that we have been talking about, reporting on for these many many weeks. as you know, yasmin, we have a team of unbelievably courageous palestinian crew who are inside gaza, who have been sending us reports every day about the condition of people inside the strip. it was pretty striking, pretty painful to see it with my own eyes. i want to show you a little bit of what we saw. . we're at the edge of gaza city, and we are watching israel's so-called humanitarian corridor in action. there are palestinian families just 100 yards from us. they are underneath the white flag. we are seeing whole families there. small children with their knapsacks, mothers clutching babies. we've seen older women in wheelchairs, and they are heading south to an uncertain
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future. israel's military says this is proof of their commitment to getting civilians out of harm's way, to the relative safety of the south. to many palestinians this looks like forced displacement. these are people leaving their homes in wartime, unsure when or if they will ever be able to return. this is opening up the deep, deep wounds for the palestinian people. israel's military says they are screening people as they go south, making sure that hamas leaders are not disguising themselves among the civilians. we have heard small arms fire in the distance. but we have also heard israeli forces on their bull horns shouting out in hebrew, trying to communicate with any israeli hostages who might be among the crowd being smuggled to the south. they say every day they hope, they pray, that one of those hostages will raise their arms to the troops up here on this sands berm. so far, they say no sign.
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and you can see it in the faces of those israeli soldiers, they are desperate to be able to bring those hostages home. something they have not been able to do. one of the conditions of going in with the israeli military is we had to show them our raw footage, including the clip you saw just now. they have no say over our final stories. i'll close by saying we were a mile east of al-shifa hospital on the edge of gaza city. i asked the israeli military, why did it feel it had no choice but to go in into that hospital. they said that they had actionable intelligence about weapons and potentially about hostages being stored there. >> raf, it's an incredible risk that you take going into gaza with the israeli military. thank you for being our eyes on the ground. we appreciate you. up next, everybody. quote, a rogue's gallery of
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welcome back. the senate is expected to vote as soon as tonight to pass a stopgap government funding bill. the vote is coming hours after the republican house speaker convinced democrats to extend funding through mid january and early february. though hard line conservatives
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opposed it for lack of spending cuts. the bill is expected to swiftly pass the senate and the president will have to sign it by midnight friday to avoid a government shutdown. fbi director chris wray was on the hill today testifying before congress about worldwide threats facing the u.s. instead of listening to wray's serious warnings, one republican congressman took the opportunity to indulge in a january 6th conspiracy. >> can you confirm that the fbi had that sort of engagement with your own agents embedded within to the crowd on january 6th. >> if you are asking whether the violence at the capitol on january 6th was part of some operation orchestrated by fbi sources and/or agents, the answer is emphatically no. >> you're saying no? >> no. >> this is a very significant hearing, mr. chairman, and these buses are nefarious in nature and were filled with fbi informants dressed as trump
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supporters. in our capitol on january 6th. your day is coming, mr. wray. >> joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. so representative higgins essentially saying, accusing the fbi of bussing in fbi agents dressed up as rioters, insurrectionists, and storming the capitol on a hearing that had nothing to do with this. is this how the hearing went? >> i would say about a third of it, yasmin. mr. higgins wasn't the only republican who engaged in those theatrics. marjorie taylor greene did something similar and a lot of republicans took time to lambaste chris wray and alejandro mayorkas over things like the border, issues of border security, of fbi investigations of january 6th, but chris wray came to brief congress on what he views as a very important issue, which is
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the elevated level of threat in the united states from terrorist attacks, and he says in particular, that it's about as high as it's been in years because of the potential inspiration and the calls for attacks on the united states and on americans and their allies by terrorist organizations. take a listen to chris wray. >> since october 7th, we have seen a rogues gallery of foreign terrorist organizations call for attacks against americans and our allies. hezbollah expressed its support and praise for hamas and threatened to attack u.s. interests in the middle east. al qaeda issued its most specific call to attack the united states in the past five years. al qaeda and the reagan peninsula called on jihadists to attack americans and jewish people everywhere. >> the fbi is not saying they're aware of credible threats from terrorist organizations with plots, for example, but they are saying that this increased level
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of rhetoric, this propaganda on social media creates an enhanced risk from lone extremists in the united states. >> so you have talked about it, and i want to expand on it a little bit as we have a little bit of time, this kind of heightened security measures that are being taken as a result of the israel-hamas war. wray talked about launching multiple investigations into individuals affiliated with hamas. what more did he say about that? >> he said very little. actually nothing. he didn't elaborate at all. we know from past experience that, you know, the justice department has occasionally prosecuted americans, charged them with material support through a terrorist organization, hamas. there was one case back in 2019. those are the kind of cases that we believe he was talking about. >> ken dilanian for us. thank you, ken, appreciate it. >> you bet. coming up, what role today's meeting between president biden and chinese president xi could play in keeping iran out of the israel-hamas war. all that and much more coming up. up ease...
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welcome back. right now in california, behind closed doors, president biden and chinese president xi jinping are holding a high stakes summit. the two leaders came face to face for the first time, since their last meeting back in bali. both emphasizing the importance of open communication between the u.s. and china. joining us now, president e mer emeritus, richard haass.
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as always, it's a pleasure. thank you for joining us on this. we know some of what they're going to cover in this conversation. it's going to be security. it's going to be climate change, military communication, obviously the ongoing wars that are happening overseas. russia, ukraine, israel-hamas. what do you see as the best way the president can make end roads here with xi? >> the best way he can make end roads is taking advantage of what president xi wants most. he wants to stabilize the u.s.-china when i can relationship. for china not to do anything highly disruptive, for example, arming russia. not to do anything in terms of helping iran. so basically to get china not to do things, obviously taiwan, not to use force to coerce taiwan to do anything, and that's essentially the u.s. goal, to make sure the differences between the two countries doesn't erupt into yet another
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crisis in the world at a time when we're already dealing with one in europe and a second one in the middle east. >> why would xi listen to president biden heed those calls, essentially, if we're talking about war, okay. so we know the special relationship that xi has with russian president vladimir putin, iranian president who backs hezbollah, who backs the proxy wars happening between the u.s. and these proxies, why would he heed these calls from the president, especially considering that they are one of the largest importers of oil from iran. >> well, that's part of the answer right there. iran exports 2 million barrels of oil a day. a big chunk go to china. china's economy has enough problems without paying more money for oil or doing without. i think that's the larger answer to your basic and really good question, which is what's the incentive for president xi to meet president biden halfway,
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and not stoke the fires, china's economy is facing head winds, growth is down. youth unemployment, more financial bubbles than i have fingers on my hands. the last thing china needs is more sanctions, more tariffs, more export controls from the united states, and i think that's the principle leverage president biden has going into this, and that's the principle incentive that president xi has for exercising restraint. >> i want to talk about israel for just one moment, and the israel hamas war, there are international calls as you well know for a cease fire, and they are getting louder by the day. we actually covered the continued civilian suffering inside the al-shifa hospital. you have 400 biden officials who signed a letter calling for a cease fire here. if not a cease fire here, richard, in your estimation, in your experience, then what? especially if you're president biden in a precarious political situation almost inside of an
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election year? >> well, i would say two things, one is to continue to press israel to use military force discreetly. don't use large ordinance drops from the air from great distances. do things really in a targeted, refined way using ground forces wherever you can, and agree not to simply pauses of a few hours, but for a few days. i think that could still take some of the hostages out. that could facilitate getting humanitarian supplies into gaza. it's not an open-ended cease fire. israel can't agree to that, given what hamas has done and the threat it continues to pose. but i think having more careful use of the way the war is being fought and coupled with some several-day pauses here and there, i think that will take a lot of the pressure off these calls for a full open-ended cease fire. >> i want to read for you some polling here, and this is from the new meris national poll.
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38% say israel's response to hamas has been too much. that numr is up 12 points sincehe week following october 7th. 38% also saying israel's military response to hamas has been appropriate. 17% saying israel's military response to hamas has been too little. with that in mind, and considering the communications we have had from prime minister benjamin netanyahu about the objective of this war and what the future of this war looks like, do you expect there are behind-the-scenes conversations, behind-the-scenes pressure that the president and his administration is putting on benjamin netanyahu that we don't necessarily know about, considering this high casualty count in gaza? >> absolutely it's going on, these talks, to some extent publicly, mostly, as you suggest, privately. they're not being heeded to a large extent. it's the reason i have advocated that president biden go back to
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israel, get on the floor of the knesset and speak over the head of the prime minister who aren't listening to him. they're talking about a prolonged occupation. they don't want the palestinian authority involved in it gaza. who else is there to potentially do this? i think the president has to make a direct appeal to the israeli people. quite honestly, what israel is doing, how it's doing in some instances, i don't believe is in the best interest of the united states. i would be prepared to argue in many cases, it's not in the best interests of israel or our relationship. so the quiet advice so far isn't having the effect i believe it needs to have. >> real quick, richard, when you say take it to the floor of the knesset and speaking over the head of the prime minister, are you saying also the prime minister should step down? >> i wouldn't say that. it's not our place to essentially bring about those changes. i think the united states would
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be better served by a different prime minister, as with israel, i think israeli people believe that. that's for israel people to decide. i don't think the president should go against netanyahu, but criticize his policy when is they deserve criticism. >> thank you, richard, as always, we appreciate you. up next, an arrest in the death of a professional hockey player who was fatally injured in a game. what we know, after the break. what we know, after the break. oh. [dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ (bobby) my store and my design business? only pwe're exploding.need. but my old internet, was not letting me run the show. so, we switched to verizon business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. life, diabetes, there's no slowing down. each day is a unique blend of people to see and things to do. that's why you choose glucerna
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welcome back. a major new twist in the death of a former nhl player that was thought to be a freak accident. police in the uk arresting the victim's opponent on manslaughter charges. he's out on bail but the investigation is just beginning. nbc's kelly cobiella has more. >> reporter: the death of former nhl player adam johnson left his family and fans heartbroken and shocked. >> just think it's awful. we really are one big family. >> reporter: now police are investigating whether what happened on the ice october 28th
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was manslaughter. this video showing the moments before johnson was injured when the skate of an opposing player cut him in the neck. the 29-year-old from minnesota was pronounced dead at the hospital. the other player, 31-year-old canadian matt petgrave, johnson's aunt watching from minnesota spoke to sky news before the arrest. >> we have seen people get cut in hockey, maybe when they've been down on the ice. have you ever seen get a skate to the neck like that, never. >> reporter: south york shire police say they have been carrying out extensive inquiries to piece together the events which led to the loss of adam and consulted highly specialized experts in their field. the person arrested on suspicion of manslaughter has been released on bail this morning, police saying the investigation continues. the question, whether any player's actions were an accident or criminal. >> manslaughter cases invariably
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don't have any intention to kill. what has happened is that through someone's negligence or, indeed, their extreme negligence they have caused the loss of somebody's life. >> reporter: the tragic death putting a spotlight on safety. the coroner releasing a report calling for more protections, writing that deaths may occur in the future if neck guards or protectors are not worn. >> it took something like this to get people to really think about safety issues in the game. >> adam was a great teammate, friend and member of the penguins family. >> reporter: in johnson's hometown of hibing, minnesota, a celebration of his life last week, his partner paying tribute. >> to me you were everything. you were my home, my best friend, my sounding board, my rock, my safe haven, and the love of my life. >> thank you to nbc's kelly cobiella for that. that does it for me, everybody. "deadline white house" starts right now. ♪♪

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