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that does it for me. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. ♪♪ good evening. we are awaiting the start of president biden's news conference following his bilateral meeting today with chinese leader xi jinping. when it starts, we will bring it to you live. but we begin tonight with a wild day in court in fulton county, georgia, as we learned the source of the leaked confidential interviews between d.a. fani willis's office and key figures in her january 6th rico case. fulton county judge said he would issue a protective issue in the case barring disclosure of certain information from the discovery process. one that would allow some evidence from the pre-trial discovery process to be labeled sensitive and with held from public scrutiny. the videos obtained by abc news and "the washington post" showed interviews with witnesses, jenna ellis, sidney powell, scott hall, and with kenneth chesebro

whose video was not released publicly. all have taken plea deals to flip on donald trump in the release prompted today's emergency hearing. at that hearing, there was a surprise confession from the source, jonathan miller. the attorney for one of donald trump's 18 other co-defendants. former coffee county election supervisor, misty hampton. >> in being transparent with the court, and to make sure that nobody else gets blamed for what happened and so that i can go to sleep well tonight, judge, i did release those videos to one outlet. and in all candor to the court, i need the court to know that. >> attorney mitchell's explanation was hiding the videos in his words mislead the public. it would help his client, saying

that two of the defendants were directly related to my client. mitchell did not say who those two clients might be, but his client, misty hampton, is charged along with powell and hall in a scheme to access voting machines in coffee county. meanwhile, fani willis sought to revoke the bond of another of trump's co-defendants, harrison floyd, the former head of black voices of trump. citing a pattern of intimidation toward co-defendants and witnesses. noting that floyd engaged in numerous intentional and flagrant violations of his bond agreement. those violations include recent tweets tagging individuals like, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger and former fulton county elections worker, ruby freeman. joining me now is barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney and law professor at the university of michigan. lisa ruben, msnbc legal analyst. thank you, ladies. lisa, i want to start with you because it strikes me that in

this last case, the case of this attempt to revoke the bond of this defendant who was involved in the attempt to intimidate ruby freeman in the first place, harrison floyd, interesting that he is now looking at having his bond revoked and could wind up in jail. that is not something that donald trump has faced even though he, too, has intimidated witnesses. did that come up -- did his lawyers bring that up in this case? because it's interesting that he's doing what donald trump is doing but not facing the same, you know, freedom to move. >> so, joy, this motion was filed after today's hearing. and so, i'm not aware that anybody addressed what conduct donald trump has engaged in that might, for example, violate his own conditions of release vis-a-vis the other fulton county defendants and witnesses. that having been said, the fulton county d.a. lays out a number of acts over the last two weeks in particular between

november 1st and november 14th where harrison floyd, as you noted, has gone after a number of his co-defendants or witnesses. in particular, really attacking jenna ellis. i'm looking at one of the tweets right now two days ago saying that she was lying on dan scavino and i guess they don't teach ethics at harvard law anymore. as an aside, jenna ellis did not go to harvard law school. but, the larger point is that harrison floyd has engaged in a two-week long campaign to intimidate and fight back against people involved in this case, ranging from brad raffensperger and sterling and ellis and powell. and finally the motion ends with a litany of his tweets, aimed squarely at ruby freeman, who is the person that he victimized in the first place, leading to the charges against him and who he continues to victimize and was publicly the most offensive conduct that he engaged in, according to da fani willis' team.

i look forward to seeing how this motion is litigated, but this is just the opening salvo that we have here right now, joy. >> barb, can you comment on this. because the thing is that donald trump, the problem with his behavior is that it is infectious. that other people who are maga think they can do what he can do, but he was the former president of the united states. he's not a black guy who is the head of black voices for trump. this guy has already been jailed for his previous conduct that was violentish. and he was the one who was in jail, the only one who was actually jailed prior to his plea. he's now attacking the same person he's accused of intimidating, bullying her again, continuing to victimize her. it's a wonder he hasn't already been put back in jail. however, there's a discrepancy between the kind of bullying he can do. he probably doesn't have 25 million or however many followers that donald trump used to have on twitter or however many he has on truth social. trump can direct a mob at people. this guy can't. but can you just address the discrepancy in the sanctions that both of them face.

it's obvious he's not the former president so he doesn't have secret service, but come on. >> yes. so, you know, in this case -- the georgia rico case, there's not currently any sort of gag order like the one we have seen in the federal election interference case or the one in new york. so, that's not what the concern is here. one of his bond conditions is that he not communicate about the case with any of his co-defendants or witnesses. and so i think this conduct directed toward ruby freeman is particularly problematic with that bond condition as we just heard from lisa, she was the direct victim. he tried to intimidate her and coerce her into confessing falsely that she had violated and committed fraud in the election when, of course, that wasn't true at all. and so, that sort of intimidation it goes to the heart of this case. so, i don't imagine that at the very first instance the judge's first instinct will be to cancel his bond and put him in jail. but i think it's important that the judge send a message that he takes these conditions very

seriously. so i imagine we will see him in court with at least a warning and a second violation may land him in jail. and of course, as you point out, donald trump says all kinds of things about people, including about people who might be witnesses or might be co-defendants. and so it seems that it's fani willis who is giving him a slightly longer leash. and i imagine part of that is because, as a candidate for president in the future, judges are likely to be inclined to give him a little more leeway so that he can respond in the public arena to these charges against him. but, i think you raise a good point about treating like people alike and i think fani willis has to be careful not to be seen as holding herself to double standards. >> let's talk about donald trump, his team, moving for a mistrial. let me read some of what his proffer is trying to get a mistrial. so many cases it's hard to keep them straight at this point, lisa. i'll leave it to you to explain more. in this case the evidence of

apparent and actual bias -- i think this is in his new york case. this is his new york case, lisa, which he's already lost. it's tangible and overwhelming, such evidence coupled with unprecedented departure from standard judicial procedure tainted these proceedings and a mistrial is warranted. can you -- well, let me add another thing. he's also gone after the law clerk saying this is the other piece of his proffer. saying the law clerk has no constitutional authority to act as a co-judge the impropriety of her participation is further magnified making partisan, political contributions in excess of strict limits including to organizations actively supporting attorney general james and opposing donald trump. can you talk about that just a little bit, lisa, this attempt to try to throw out a case that is already kind of decided. >> yeah. it's interesting, joy. to your point, when you say it's already kind of decided, this is something that i am trying to make clear to our viewers when

ever i have an opportunity to comment on this case. the judge did decide that there has been a pervasive and year's long fraud engaged in by the trump organization and the five individual defendants with respect to how donald trump valued his assets. but there are six remaining claims here. that's why we're still having a trial that i have been attending fairly regularly. and each of those claims require proof of intent by the defendants. and that is why they are as contested as they are and they will take as long to try as they will. those claims are also important to the attorney general because the magnitude of the relief that she is fighting for will largely turn on how they are able to show intent by donald trump, his adult sons, allen weisselberg the former cfo, the former controller and then the organization as a whole. so the case is very much still alive. now to your question about the principal law clerk and the judge. the allegation that donald trump's lawyers are making is

that this judge is functioning effectively as a co-judge and that nobody elected her. that she exchanges notes and constant whispers with judge arthur engoran that lead her to believe that she is exercising a level of authority that is inappropriate and on top of that because of her partisan political contributions and activities that she is already a person who has demonstrated a partisan prejudgment of donald trump before she ever walked in the room. i think that to the extent that they are able to show that her campaign contributions are problematic and are a violation of judicial ethics here in new york, that will not be a bases for a mistrial or overturning any later decision by judge engoran. it will likely be, if proven a basis for discipline. as you know, congressman elise stefanik has a pending complaint with the new york judicial ethic. there isn't a lot of proof that the conversations between the judge and his law clerk are, in

fact, emblematic of bias. as barb knows well, just because you lose repeatedly in front of a judge doesn't mean that judge is biased. it might mean that you actually committed the conduct of which you've been accused and might be held liable in the future. >> yeah. okay. let's go back. read what attorney general james her response once again donald trump is trying to dismiss the truth and facts. donald trump is being held accountable for the incredible ways he lied to enrich himself and fact. that's attorney general james response. let me zigzag right back to georgia just for a second, barb. the georgia election workers who have been victimized in this case are now seeking -- ruby freeman, the aforementioned ruby freeman and shea moss her daughter, seeking 15 million and $40 million from rudy giuliani in a defamation suit slated to begin next month in washington, d.c. the fact that he's been liable

for defamatory comments, it's similar to the new york case which the finding of fact is done and now it's a question of liability. what do you make of that? that starts in december. and this is just about the damages. can you explain how it can be that there's still a trial when all they're trying to figure out is damages. >> yes. so liability is one question. and then what's it worth is a separate question. and so the damages will go to their reputations. what kind of harm did they receive as a result of this? we heard their testimony before the house select committee on this about how their lives have been changed as a result of it. but that's what will be before a court in this case. so they have to put a dollar value on that. lost wages, if they stopped working because of this. pain and suffering, emotional damage, the inability to leave their homes. i expect this number to be well into the millions. but a judge will actually assess the value and provide an award to them. and both sides will certainly argue about what they think this

case is worth. >> and then they'll have to see if they can try to collect from rudy giuliani, see how much money he has left. barbara mcquaid and lisa ruben, that's always the rub. thank you, ladies, very much. coming up next, we're awaiting the start of president biden's news conference following his bilateral meeting in california today with chinese president xi jinping. i have an amazing panel standing by to talk about that when "the reidout" continues. by to talk about that when "the reidout" continues after advil dual action back pain: yo. who. haha. [dog barks] what? my back feels better. [rewind sound] before advil: [grunts] oh. advil dual action back pain fights back pain two ways. for 8 hours of relief. my mom's life is the most important thing to me. hi mom! i called my mom, "i have this gene and i think you need to get tested." she feels like it was truly lifesaving. ♪♪ we're not writers,

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in this hour, president biden will do something he doesn't do too often, hold a news conference. it will be his first solo news conference since may. and it couldn't come at a more critical time because a lot is going on right now, both here at home and around the world. earlier today, biden met face to face with chinese president xi jinping, the first conversation between the two in a year. the two discussed a range of issues, including the wars in ukraine and the middle east. where israeli forces raided the al shifa hospital, trapping hundreds, including medical staff, patients, displaced families and premature babies. it was a significant escalation in what has already been a devastating assault. and it comes as president biden is facing criticism, including from members of his own administration for his handling of the conflict. then you have biden's likely 2024 opponent, who seems to be getting more authoritarian by the day. threatening political opponents, judges, prosecutors, even

describing his rivals as vermin. something president biden said yesterday echos language used in nazi germany. on top of that, the republican-led house of representatives is in complete dysfunction with just days until the government runs out of money. the newest house speaker yesterday passed a funding bill that would keep the government open and running for at least a couple more months, but with support from democrats rather than members of his own party. while the republicans have been bu getting into near fistfights, screaming matches and tod yelling at the fbi director and homeland security secretary about, well, everything. >> were you aware of this? >> congresswoman, as i said, i haven't seen the photos that you're holding up before. >> maybe -- well, i posted them on my twitter account. it's public. i don't know, maybe -- >> i don't spend a lot of time on twitter. >> well, you know -- oh, i'm sure you do because the department of homeland security organized with other offices has

censored many americans including myself. >> i'm not part of the department of homeland security. >> can you confirm that the fbi had that sort of engagement with your own agents embedded within the crowd on january 6th? >> if you are asking whether the violence at the capitol on january 6th was part of some operation orchestrated by fbi sources and/or agents, the answer is emphatically not. >> you say no. >> no, not violent orchestrated by fbi sources or agents. >> are you familiar with -- you know what a ghost vehicle is? >> a reminder, your tax dollars pay their salaries. you're welcome. let's bring in my panel, halin ex cooper, ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser, charles blow, columnist for "the new york times" and michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian. thank you all for being here.

i just want to go in reverse order and start with clay higgins and marjorie green, marjorie greene thinks the fbi director runs the homeland security department and has been missing with her twitter account and clay higgins, ben rhodes, who seems to believe it is wisdom to, as a united states congressperson, congressman, float the idea to the fbi director's face that the fbi orchestrated january 6th by trucking over fbi operatives to cause the violence that we saw. that to me is absolute madness, but i just want to just get you to comment on the fact that that happened today in a congressional hearing. >> yeah. it's a signal of the absolute absence of any bottom for these people. i think you saw reaction from director wray that he took it

personally not just himself but frankly his entire agency, which has been consistently this target of conspiracy theory in all manner of bizarre accusations from members of congress. i think what's really telling about it, joy, is that these people, you know, there used to be a situation where people were elected to congress and they went and they represented their constituents and they worked on certain issues. these are people that are like living in a far right wing fever dream media ecosystem where they assume that normal human beings, including people that run very important large government agencies, are somehow aware of their bizarre conspiracy theories. because they spend all their time either in a media ecosystem or talking to other people who are familiar with intricacies of the conspiracy theories about marjorie taylor greene's twitter account or what some fbi source might have been doing on january 6th. and normal people have no idea what they're talking about, you know. so the fact that this is what

they're doing, representing their constituents, this is what they're doing when they should be funding the government and keeping it open rather than, you know, hanging their newly-elected speaker out to dry to have to turn to democratic votes, multiple wars around the world, that could use congressional attention, instead they turn congress into just a forum for an extension of some far right wing media podcast or something where they're going to talk about conspiracy theories and insult people that work everyday to keep us safe. i think it just shows you how fundamentally unserious republican party is about governing or anything. >> it's not at a time that is not momentous. i want to play the testimony that christopher wray gave. i watched a good bit of this hearing. it was bizarre to one. one side democrats are asking questions about the rise in anti-semitism and anti-semitic violence and islamophoic violence and republicans doing that, who were doing that performance. and it was wild to sort of watch it happen in this committee.

let me let you listen to christopher wray and he was talking about the actual real threats we face not to marjorie greene's twitter account. >> the greatest threat to the homeland is lone actors or small groups, typically radicalized online, using easily accessible weapons to attack soft targets. and that group of lone actors includes both, as you rightly say, domestic violent extremists as well as, though, that's the clarification, home grown violent extremists who are individual heres who are inspired by foreign terrorist -- >> and charles blow, you know, this is one of the many things on the plate of the federal government and on the plate of the biden administration at a time when the polarization in the country doesn't allow americans to focus on that because so many actually believe conspiracy theories, are focussed on conspiracy theories and really only see january 6th through that lens. talk about the challenge of that in attempting to not just run for re-election but actually

govern in that environment. >> right. well, the republicans are not -- are not interested in governing whatsoever. and in particular not interested in focussing on the home-grown threat because very often the people who are radicalized are coming from the white -- from the right and many of them are young, white men. and those are not the people who play well into their narrative about who the threats should be. they want to focus on a threat of crime that they position as coming from black and brown people in inner cities. they want to focus on the threat coming across the border, which they position as mostly brown people. they don't want to focus on this particular kind of threat. and so, they do this thing that you just saw, which is performance in front of cameras. and this is -- part of it is, you know, this idea that they are lost and they don't understand things. i actually think it's more sophisticated than that.

it's just an exploitation of media that exists today. it began as an exploitation of cameras in the hearings but even then it was up to newspapers and news -- television news channels to put things on. now in an age where social media can grab clips of everything, all of this works for marjorie. none of this hurts marjorie. all she has to do is to never apologize, always be aggressive, and that plays to her base. that helps her to raise money. and raising money and raising her profile in the republican party is the only thing that matters now in this kind of world that donald trump has created, that he brought into politics, which is much more of a tv-centric world. so i think maybe it's naive and crazy on some level but also just savvy and exploitation of media on another. >> yeah. and the thing about it is -- i'm

going to expend all the unserious people first, clay higgins, marjorie greene, one more in this unfortunately is going to fall in your lap, michael beschloss, this is somebody who is both unserious and attempting to call upon a really dark period in our history in order to make a really stupid point, which is that he actually wants to physically fight the head of the teamsters. that is the only thing that markwane mullen, united states senator, tulsa, oklahoma, place where the tulsa massacre happened. he probably doesn't know. he claims native american heritage and yet this is the way that he went on and expounded upon his desire to physically fight the head of the teamsters union. here is markwayne mullin talking about andrew jackson. >> could you guys go bare knuckle if you wanted to? >> we will look into the rules. used to be able to cane. got a member of the president

andrew jackson challenge nine guys to a duel and won nine times in a white house dinner one time, a guy jackson jumped up, literally ran across the table and knocked a guy out. and so, at the end of the day, there is precedence for it. >> michael beschloss, i don't know what to say, so your thoughts. >> yeah. thanks a lot for giving me this duty, joy. yes, absolutely true. here we are -- what is different about tonight? our country is in real danger. you heard what chris wray say today. domestic terrorism, foreign terrorism. right now our president has been meeting today with the leader of china, with whom we are on the razor edge of a new cold war with, you know, the two leaders not having been able to speak, mainly from their side during the last year. and so, a big part of our government is the congress of the united states. are they rising to the occasion?

no. we have a speaker of the house, mike johnson, this is unlike any time in all of american history is the willing and eager and maybe the frightened operative of the next president, donald trump, who is running for president of the united states. if donald trump wants mike johnson to initiative or resume an impeachment, joe biden, mike johnson will do it. this is not an independent branch. this is a subservient branch to an ex-president and perhaps even a future president. let's go for two moments in american history give us rough present precedent for this. one is the 1850s, careening towards civil war. we saw the kind of violence or near violence on the floor of the house and senate that we almost saw yesterday between sean o'brien and senator mullin from oklahoma. and that is probably going to increase. and at the same time, let's take

a look at 1940. a time when americans were divided right down the middle. they were about to vote for president. should we gather together to stand up to adolph hitler and the imperial japanese? or should we just say, you know, we'll retire behind our ocean motes and see what happens. just the same kind of question that we are asking tonight around the world. so all i'm saying is if you compare the urgency and danger of the moment, which is huge in historical context, plus the seriousness of congress, which is low, this would be a laughing stock if it were not so dangerous. it is a very scary time. >> indeed. and i gave you that assignment, my friend, because when they go low, i know you go high. and you have set us up perfectly for where i want to start. thank you very much. >> thank you. i try. >> i definitely appreciate you. my distinguished panel will stay right with me because michael beschloss set us up where i want

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back in i think it was february or march. you have the israel-gaza-hamas war. there's been so much. and things have been going steadily downhill in the relationship between china and the united states. and these are -- let's face it, russia considers itself to be a super power, but the united states and china, these are the world's two big super powers and they have been on a collision course for several years now. the two men were scheduled we heard from biden administration officials planning to talk about all the issues i mentioned earlier. there was going to be -- what china wants from the u.s. is for the united states to let up a little bit on some of the restrictions and the pressure that the biden administration of the united states has put on china on a number of things, including technology transfers, the united states, for its part,

would like china to put more restrictions in place of stuff that funds fentanyl. they want them to -- they want beijing to crack down on that. the united states would love for china and the united states to resume military to military dialogue, which china cut off last year right after -- in opposition to nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan. this is a big deal. i just got back yesterday from a trip to japan and korea with general charles q. brown, the new chairman of the joints chief of staff. and he told us that the u.s. is so eager to resume these military talks because he's worried that when these two big militaries don't have any kind of dialogue, it's so easy for misconceptions to turn into war and that's the last thing you want. beijing has been doing what the pentagon describes is a lot of dangerous maneuvers in the

pacific with their fighter jets and ships coming dangerous close to american ships and to american planes in the region. so there's a lot of conflict over that. and the two -- the biden administration wants to be able to pick up the phone and say, look, before something gets too out of control. that's the last thing you want with these two super powers. when you look at the russia war with ukraine, china has been -- the u.s. is worried about china siding more with russia. there's worry about where china is going to end up on the hamas thing. so there's just so much going on, and there's so much room for misunderstanding that it has to be a good thing that president biden and president xi are finally sitting down to talk. whether or not when you hear how administration officials have described their expectations from -- for the meeting, you know, nobody expects that it's going to be a great, huge announcement of big progress, but i think just the fact that the two men are talking is

what's going to be put forth as sort of the encouraging sign. >> yeah. let me bring you in here, ben, on this because this is a lot of complicated stuff. president biden is trying to sort of manage in terms of america's place in the world. and sort of vision of the west. president biden, i think, one could argue really brought the west together when it came to ukraine. but in some ways has isolated a bit more when it comes to israel with what's happening in gaza because of the international outrage. even president macron coming out and saying, yeah, too much death. too many babies dying. and the pictures out of gaza are horrific, it's causing domestic political issues as well. talk about that balancing act because president biden is sort of -- the west is the good guy in one instance and in the other instance a lot of the world is doing massive protests not just what israel is doing but against us. >> i think the united states is

incredibly isolated from most of the rest of the world when it comes to israel's military operation in gaza right now. the problem that the u.s. was already having with the ukraine war is that the biden team had done a good job of holding together the nato alliance. and the u.s. in europe and then some asian allies like japan and south korea and australia. but really, the rest of the world, particularly the global south, countries in latin america, asia and africa were not coming on board to enforce the sanctions or provide diplomatic support to ukraine. that was already the case before the october 7th attack from hamas and the israeli response. and china was taking advantage of that and was trying to say, look, the u.s. is focussed on this war in ukraine. they're not focussed on the things you care about which is economic development, which is infrastructure, which is the clean energy transition that you need to make. we'll be your supplier on that. and i think that opening for china gotten a lot bigger in the last few weeks.

we should just be honest about that. that is what is happening in the world right now. and i think for the biden team, it's a precarious moment because the war in ukraine has reached something of a stalemate in the assessment of ukraine's own military leadership after a counteroffensive that yielded fairly minimal gains and it will be hard for the u.s. to sustain support including with u.s. congress which has to approve the next round of assistance package for ukraine. the u.s. is somewhat i think particularly isolated on its kind of unwavering support for israel. there's some countries the united kingdom, germany, other countries very much where the u.s. is but global public opinion as well as opinion in much of the rest of the world i think is very much against the position the u.s. has taken. so this is an opportunity to say, we're resetting this one relationship. we're putting a floor underneath the dissent in the u.s. and china. showing the rest of the world we can solve problems through dialogue. we don't want another conflict in the taiwan strait, need a military to military exchange. we want to at least put this on a back burner now because we've

got two big wars on the front burner the middle east and ukraine. and those wars are quite complicated for the u.s. to manage right now. >> yeah. and then, ben, on top of that, there is the domestic political situation and the fallout happening here as a result of those policies as well. i want to talk about that on the other side of the break. we are awaiting the start of president biden's news conference, but i want to talk about the domestic political situation president biden is facing as he goes toward a re-election campaign. we'll do that right after a quick break. t after a quick break. skechers slip-ins. i just step in and go. sitting? doesn't matter. i don't even have to touch them. ooo, gangsta. in a hurry? there's not a faster, easier way to put on shoes. they know a 10 when they see it. i was on a work trip when

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we are still awaiting president biden's press conference at any moment. back with me are helen cooper, ben rhodes, michael beschloss. i want to play a piece of sound from a gentleman named dr. asmed, a plastic surgeon at al shifa hospital in gaza and he is describing what's happening at the hospital to ourreporters at nbc. take a look. >> it's more of a war zone where it's continuous bombing, shooting, those are within the hospital area targeting and ooting anyone moving between the building. the ambulances are not allowed to move in or out of the hospital. whoever tries to move will be killed. >> charles blow, this situation in gaza has become a liability for president biden at home. air of american voters

expressing desire to not vote for him again. african-american young black voters who are aligned with the palestinian cause turning against him. it's a real problem, even in his own administration, letters being sent around from people in the administration objecting to the policy and congress ng messages from his own staff. this is the poll i want toshow you. this is president biden, i in fact there was a five-way race for president right now, he would get 35%. this is just one poll a year out. 38% for donald trump, robert f. kennedy polling at 17%. jill stine at 3 and doesn't include joe manchin. talk about the ways in which this and change in some ways the way that people look at the reelection? >> right, so i always had to say starting out the conversation that there is no real comparison between what joe biden is doing and what trump has basically signaled

that he wants to do which is basically to destroy it. i think we have to start their, even when discussing what effect this will have on biden. i do think that gaza has opened up a real chasm between the democratic coalition that existed and younger parts of the coalition. they are just really upset. it is hard to look at this and not be upset on some level, even when you accept that hamas committed a terrorist attack, killed 1200 people, that's horrific. even if you accept that it's norfolk that they took hostages, and that is a horrible thing, that is horrific. still, you have over 10,000 people killed in one month of four. it is unconscionable. there is no other way to think about the. when you're attacked in a terrace attack, you can't tell

them what to do. you could not tell the u.s. not to go into afghanistan. even there, the comparison does not hold. the afghan war, i think there are almost 50,000 civilians killed in that war, over 20 years. if you average that up, that's 200 people a month. that is still horrible but just to stack up to 10,000. maybe you can say at the beginning at the war, there were more civilians killed at the end, whatever you want to say. you can say that hamas maybe if they did it a bit, i take your point, still, the numbers are incredible. and when you understand that more than half of those, but the reports, are women and children, how do you deal with that? i think a lot of people, particularly young people, are looking at that and saying, this is not a moral thing. this is a moral, and i have to take a stand. that is a problem for joe biden,

because those would be his voters. >> what's kind of jarring, michael beschloss, is that joe biden's brand has been built on empathy, and this is one at the places where his empathy as seemed to fail him, the way that he has communicated about this, particularly because there are the images that we are seeing are so horrific, and so many involve children. the images of the children in that incubator, where they are all trying to warm each other, because the incubators don't work anymore. it's hard to watch. it has broken joe biden from a part of his base that had kind of forgiven him for other things that they wanted him to do that he did not do. historically, i don't know, what do you think that displaces him? because where he stood vis-à-vis ukraine, and where he stands vis-à-vis israel and hamas, if your circle to a different, like two different presidents are running for reelection. >> the numbers would suggest

that this division among biden voters and democrats from his point of view, he's going to have to resolve between now and less than a year from this month. that is absolutely true. i would totally underline what charles said, that is that as much as people may be rightfully disturbed by a lot of the things that they are seeing, the overwhelming question is probably going to be, are americans going to vote for joe biden, who with all the flaws, loves democracy, wants to preserve our system, or for donald trump, who would like to bring all of this down in the rule of law, as he said. stop the constitution, usher in what amounts to a military dictatorship. if i could bring in another thing going beyond what we have been talking about tonight. you are talking, joy, about what is the effect of what we're seeing today on. that's the politics. other leaders in other countries, especially those who

hate us know that they can do a lot to elect a president they walk by initiating or exacerbating international events. take 1980. jimmy carter was president, dealing with double digit inflation, but more than, that he was doing with a superpower confrontation in afghanistan, and iran hostage crisis. without those two, maybe briefings, carter would have won. ever since then, a country that wishes us ill can say, let's resolve at the american election and not talk about the middle east here. i am talking about the possibility of an invasion of taiwan or something that we are not expecting. let's have an international event that we shall hold the cards. all i am saying is that for us to protect the world, we'll be dealing with for a year from now is probably for at least -- >> it is difficult, helen. it seems that there is everything, everywhere all at

once, like the title of that film. and the middle east crisis has bedeviled every single president since the 1960s. so biden is in a particularly difficult place. how unprecedented is it for u.s. journalist covering this international community, for that to be this much open dissent and public dissent for an american president during a crisis like this? on this issue zero issue, i don't know if i have ever seen this much internal dissent that's made public? >> yeah, i think you're right, and i think one of the issues that makes this so extraordinary is you mentioned earlier that arab americans and a lot of young african americans look very angry at president biden over this. it's not just them. i have so many jewish friends who tell me about how their kids are out protesting on behalf of palestinians. i think it's a very -- so many young --

you see the crisis we have of these college campuses, and you see so many at the kids who are starting out, starting to work, who are going to be, can talk about this, and he's also getting, president biden, in quite a fix because he's also getting stuff from the pro israel crowd, and he's afraid of alienating the people at aipac. we were talking about this in the new york times newsroom the other day about, almost feels as if for biden to save his presidency, he's going to have to figure out a way to bring peace to the israelis. he's going to have to solve the whole problem and come up for israelis and palestinians. it's a whole of this, and as a hard thing. i think the administration then kind of alluded to this, but the administration sort of had not realized how much the world had passed by their standard response to this issue, which

is first and foremost shows how much you support israel. i think they were a little bit taken by surprise at how much the world that started to move beyond, and started to promote, not promote, but to consider the play of the palestinians on equal terms is the play of the israelis who also won peace in their land. >> it's a very good point, van, equals at that point, because he talked about the global south. this issue is seen one way by the vast majority of the world, and one way by joe biden, a person i spoke with an administration said, he's just old school, and was taken aback by. >> yeah, he made this kind of full embrace, not just of israel, let's be clear. a full embrace of prime minister netanyahu, days after the attacks. and in some ways, that made the u.s. kind of a coauthor, give to us a degree of ownership for what netanyahu discovered, which was --

even with unity government, it seems to do. what we learned, a repeated presence, including the one i referenced, netanyahu is willing to ignore the advice of the u.s. discovery. he seems to recalibrate when he talks about humanitarian pauses, getting aid in, but that is not happening. what's happening is what we see has happened. there are thousands of children to have been killed. what is happening is that these are the government or netanyahu is saying that we will open-ended be responsible for security in gaza. i think that's a big problem. they have to decide, you can't hug netanyahu in public and deliver these messages quietly. at some point, there are going to have to keep people where they are, and people are concerned about this. >> yeah, indeed. ben rhodes, helen cooper, roe, beschloss, cannot imagine a better panel. thank you all very much. that is tonight's read out. still waiting that press conference, you can see it on the left.

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