tv Chris Jansing Reports MSNBC November 16, 2023 11:00am-12:01pm PST
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jansing reports." right now on the ground in gaza, our nbc news team is getting an in-person look at the civilians escaping devastation in the strip. our team describes it like this, what israel calls a humanitarian corridor feels like forced displacement for fleeing palestinians. and back here at home, protesters shut down san francisco's bay bridge, calling for a cease fire in the war. just miles away from where president biden is due to speak any minute now. the fbi and police are scouring upstate new york right
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now for bodies, thoughts to be connected to an ongoing investigation into the gambino crime family. what the new york attorney general is saying about former president trump's request for a mistrial in the new york civil fraud case. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, and we start in san francisco, where president biden is scheduled to address ceos at the apec summit. they, those ceos have been grappling with the impact of world conflicts on their businesses. monica alba is traveling with the president. what are we expecting to hear from the white house today? >> reporter: well, this is really a continuation of some of the progress made yesterday in the summit with president xi jinping of china. but of course this now broadens out the conversation, but many of the themes we expect will be similar, and president biden will be speaking here at the ceo summit at this site of the asia pacific economic cooperation
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conference where of course now many different countries and economies will be on the agenda. and we know that the president is specifically going to be focusing on some labor agreements, strengthening that for workers and trying to put that in the larger economic complex today. it comes after he spent the four hours yesterday with president xi where there was some other potential outcomes there on issues like fentanyl, which you have just discussed in your last hour and on that military-to-military communication, but there was one moment that is of course still getting a little bit of pickup today, and that is when the president was getting ready to leave his news conference. he was asked specifically about some prior comments he had made about xi. take a listen to that exchange. >> reporter: mr. president, after today would you still refer to president xi as a dictator, a term you used earlier? >> he is. he's a dictator in the sense that he is a guy that runs a
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country that is a communist country. >> reporter: president biden has been very clear in his foreign policy to make the distinction between democracies and autocracies. remember earlier this year he did refer to president xi as a dictator in some off camera fundraiser remarks. the fact that that is what he is referencing here is not anything that's really as concerning to the white house, they say, because, again, these are comments that have been made before. we did see some very strong reaction from the chinese who called that kind of language irresponsible, they said. but it's not something here that's ruffling a lot of diplomatic feathers, again, given the president has been clear on where he stands and that overall, setting that aside, the two leaders felt there was some area of progress here and some real outcomes that came out of the summit yesterday that they are hoping to build on today and tomorrow, chris. >> and the apec summit has drawn
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large protests including one that's going on right now. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: yeah, over the last couple of hours, there were protesters who blocked some westbound lanes of the bay bridge which goes from oakland to san francisco, where we are here, and they unfurled a banner, these protesters, we understand, that said biden harris cease fire now, referring of course to the israel and hamas war. so some of them, it seems, were arrested, were removed from at least one lane of traffic, and that lane is now reopened to some vehicles, but if you look at that bay bridge now, and some live pictures, there is still a huge, huge backup and backlog there, which you can imagine that would happen with traffic in san francisco on a normal day. add to that, a global summit as well. this is clearly a moment where we are seeing various different protests. in fact, there are protests right outside at the summit side as we are expecting president biden to be arriving here at any moment, chris.
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>> monica alba, thank you. now to raf sanchez who got the firsthand look of hundreds of palestinians fleeing gaza. raf, on one hand, this is a way to safety, right? on the other hand, it's people having to flee from their homes. so tell us more about what you saw and heard. >> reporter: chris, we were on the edge of gaza city, we were on salahadin street, normally one of the busiest roads in gaza, now called a humanitarian corridor. we watched as thousands of palestinian civilians walking on foot down that street, whole families, little children with their knapsacks, parents holding babies. there were older people in wheelchairs, and israel says this is a sign of its commitment to getting civilians out of gaza city where the battle is raging. they say their war is only against hamas, not against the people of gaza, but for many palestinians this feels and looks like forced displacement,
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and they don't know if they're ever going to be able to go back to their homes. that is a question that we put to the israeli military spokesman. i want you to take a listen to what he said. can you guarantee that these people will be able to return home one day? >> i think that is really going to be in the hands of a lot of different players. one of the main ones is hamas. >> reporter: no guarantee that these people will be able to return home. some news breaking in just the last couple of minutes, chris, the israeli military is announcing it has found the body of israeli hostage, a 65-year-old mother who was kidnapped from the kibbutz be'ri on october 7th. the israeli military not giving any details on the cause of death, but they are saying that her body was found in a building
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near the al shifa hospital, where of course israeli forces were operating yesterday, operating again today. they say she was found nearby, not clear exactly where. the situation, as we have been talking about for days now, chris, inside of that hospital is dire. the world health organization says it is no longer functioning. there is no medical care because of power being out, water being out, a lot of concern about those prematurely born babies who are out of their incubators, because there is no power there, and, chris, over the last couple of days, we have been able to check in with doctors at that hospital by phone, but tonight, that is not an option because phone service is down all across gaza according to the two main palestinian phone companies because they say they have simply run out of fuel and they can no longer provide service. >> raf sanchez, thank you for that. the investigation into the gambino crime family is taking a gruesome turn with multiple law enforcement officials saying
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authorities are digging for bodies in upstate new york. nbc's tom winter has the latest for us. tom, i guess ten people allegedly linked to the gambino crime family were arrested last week. we think this new development may be connected to that? >> that's exactly right, chris, and was exactly almost a week ago that you and i were sitting here talking about those alleged crimes, showing photographs from the case, and the federal court documents associated with it. now, the reporting of myself and colleague jonathan dienst that, in fact, the searches that occurred yesterday in upstate new york are tied to not just the gambino family, and you're looking at some of the searches here, but also tied to those specific cases that were brought last week. that's something that we typically see, chris, often in these types of investigations where individuals that are charged can sometimes provide information, but of course there's search warrants as well. in the course of the investigation, there was perhaps
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a search that occurred of devices. it could be physical evidence, it could be maps. those types of things that can come up in the course of these cases that would then lead investigators to perhaps search specific properties, we saw this in the new england mafia family, in the robert deluca case, the missing person case, where you saw an individual provide information to the government and also an individual charged for lying after they were caught to the federal government about their knowledge of a body that was found. so we've seen this in other types of cases. we have no direct knowledge that anybody has become a cooperator. somebody has flipped, as some would say or become a rat as others would say in the mafia side of the street. so we have no indication of that in this particular case, but it is something that can occur. >> tom winter, thank you so much. a pretty stern response from the new york attorney general after former president donald trump requested a mistrial in his civil fraud case. nbc's vaughn hillyard has the
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latest reporting on that, so letitia james not having any of it. >> the firing back in a filing with the judge, urging, number one, if, in fact, there is a hearing that does take place, that they say they are in support of, it shouldn't take place until at least december 8th. because they do not want to give donald trump's team the ability to make a claim when they are taking this to an appeal that they did not have the full opportunity to file a true motion with their entire argument on the table for this mistrial here, and so letitia james team said, sure, let's have this hearing, you have to give us a couple of weeks, because, meanwhile, every day, they continue to go in the courtroom and ask witnesses the questions. of course, this is just still the beginning. even in december, if we get the judge engoron to rule on the additional claims here, donald trump's team is already appealed that first claim in which he found that they and the trump organization were liable for financial fraud, and so we are already expecting the appeals
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court to hear this. but at least for now, letitia james team saying do not take him up on this motion for mistrial. it has no actual standing. if he said in her own words, it has a total lack of merit, and so for now, we're looking to see here what the judge will determine when that hearing will take place. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. we've got another big take away from president biden's meeting from chinese president xi jinping, possible return of pandas to the u.s. we've got more on that when we come back in 60 seconds. at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you'll have to pay a deductible for each. a medicare supplement plan pays for some or all of your original medicare deductibles, but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana medicare
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since 1972. this potential goodwill gesture comes as xi courts u.s. business leaders, hoping to boost china's ailing economy. xi spoke at a dinner with hundreds of corporate luminaries, including some of the country's most successful and best known executives, apple's tim cook, blackrock's larry fink. senior executives from nike, boeing, pfizer, and fedex, and you can see the reception. he got a standing ovation. joining us now, rick stengel, former under secretary of state for public diplomacy, and public affairs. i mean, let's be honest, people's eyes might glaze over when they hear apec summit. this is 21 countries around the pacific, looking for help with trade, economic development, but in a post-covid era, the importance of what the administration can do and what these leaders can do, business leaders, put it into context for
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us. >> chris, at that dinner last night, xi jinping asked the rhetorical question, are we adversaries or partners. he answered the question by saying we're partners and friends, i can't tell you what an incredible sea change that is from a year ago or anytime over the last five years, where china really pitting itself against the u.s. as an adversary. the best possible construction a year ago was competitors, which is how the u.s. phrased it, and then last night, xi jinping says we're friends. it's really an enormous change. i think it's a victory for american diplomacy, american power, and i think it's a good thing for the american people. >> yeah, elon musk didn't stay for dinner, but apparently he showed up and had a few words with president xi beforehand. this relationship between the u.s. and china has been at its lowest point in decades. you have the balloon fiasco, tensions around taiwan. where do you see it standing
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today after the big meeting yesterday, four hours long, the reception that xi got last night. do you see at least some small opening? >> i see a big opening. maybe i'm too pollyanna-ish about this, but it's 180 degrees different than it was a year ago. i think the balloon issue was something that held us back. look, china's economy is sputtering, youth employment there is 20%. its real estate market is bad. they have been hurt by the withdrawal of tech companies, and president biden's refusal to let china buy advanced computer chips. china is coming to the table. they want to negotiate. they want to be partners. that's a good thing for the chinese economy. that's a good thing for the american economy. that's a good thing for the tech leaders that were in the room last night. >> how closely are leaders
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around the world, business leaders around the world watching what's happening here? >> well, you know, xi had a double mission, right, and in some ways, contradictory. he wanted to stabilize the relationship with the, but then he wanted to offer china as an alternative to business leaders in other countries. i mean, you know, xi's whole program is the stability of an authoritarian state is something businesses and other companies should like, democracies are fragile, they're chaotic. he can point to almost government shutdown in the u.s., so that's his double mission, and i guess in some ways, i mean, he certainly accomplished the former, kind of mending the u.s. relationship, whether he accomplished the latter, i'm not so sure. >> there's one thing we should talk about which is taiwan, a huge point of contention between the u.s. and china. and yesterday, joe biden said, listen, i caution them about taiwan, and in particular,
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getting involved in taiwan's elections, which are coming up in january. what role should and will do you think the u.s. play in trying to make sure those elections are free and fair. especially after a government spokesperson vowed, i think, just yesterday that china is going to be unstoppable in eventually retaking taiwan. >> well, i mean, joe biden talked about it at his press conference. he said, look, i directly told the chinese not to interfere in the taiwanese election. our policy towards taiwan is technically strategic ambiguity. we have signed on to the one china policy, but, you know, joe biden, you know, who grew up in the cold war, still has a lot of attachment to taiwan. and so he wants to make sure that china doesn't meddle in the taiwanese election, that it's a free and fair election. taiwan is an actual democracy,
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unlike china, so i think biden was straight and direct with him about that. >> rick stengel, always good to see you my friend, thank you for coming on the show. >> thank you, chris. let's go to gaza where internet and cell service have collapsed again. israeli soldiers conducting a search of al shifa hospital with hundreds of people trapped inside. nbc's eric mclaughlin is -- eric mclaughlin, what are we hearing right now? >> reporter: the picture that we can paint is limited given the near total blackout of communications currently impacting the gaza strip due to a fuel shortage. we have been unable to reach any number of doctors that we've been speaking to over the past few days. what we can say is based on what the israeli military released today. according to an israeli military spokesperson, they raided the al
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shifa hospital for a second day. israeli special forces going through the hospital complex, building by building, floor by floor, room by room. remember, al shifa complex is a large complex. yesterday, they alleged that they found a number of weapons, as well as intelligence tying those materials to the october 7th attacks. we have been unable to verify the claims of the israeli military. they say they continue the search today, no sign so far of the kind of hub the command node that the israeli military alleges as well as the united states alleges is buried beneath the hospital. again, that search is ongoing. meanwhile, there's just this desperate situation playing out inside the hospital itself. take a listen to what the regional director for the w.h.o. had to say about the situation, the humanitarian situation impacting some 600 patients, plus doctors, plus people
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sheltering in the hospital, take a listen to what he had to say. >> we still have grave concerns for the patients and the staff in the hospital. there are a lot of security concerns. there are a lot of logistics constraints, our options are limited. we hope to have better news in the next 24 hours. >> reporter: now, it's unclear how they would facilitate a potential evacuation, especially given that the humanitarian community says that the health system within gaza is near total collapse, where those patients will go, including the three dozen, prematurely born babies that they would have to take from the incubators out of the hospital. it's unclear what medical facility would be able to accommodate the volume of patients, critically ill patients that the hospital officials have been telling me are near death, chris. >> eric mclaughlin, thank you very much.
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we're getting a verdict in the in the trial of david depape. he of course is the man who was accused of going into the home of former speaker nancy pelosi with a hammer and attacking her husband. he shocked the courtroom when he took the stand basically said, oh, they had a good rapport. he and paul pelosi. in spite of the fact that paul pelosi ended up in the hospital for six days. so we're going to keep our eye on that announcement. in the meantime, let's go back to san francisco where at the apec summit, president biden has just taken to the podium. this is the city of synonymous with innovation and breaking barriers. where collaboration and coming together have always been key to unlocking our potential. it's a city that has been shaped by centuries of deep ties to the
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asia pacific region, by contributions of asian heritage. san francisco is a natural place to gather to innovate and collaborate, the 2023 summit, the ceo summit, and all the events that are taking place this week. i want to thank everyone who has made this week possible, especially those serving, apec executive secretary, apec business advisory council, the national center for apec, and so many others. today, 21 apec economies make up more than 60% of the global gdp, half the global trade. the asia pacific is the largest contributor of global growth over the next 30 years. so the vision we pursue for the economic region is far beyond
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the asia pacific. the choices we mad affect the entire world. it's up to us to tap the entrepreneurial spirit of our people and unleash the potential, the unlimited potential of our partnerships, in order to realize a future that will benefit people not only in the asia pacific region but the whole world, and i mean that sincerely. people everywhere. the future of prosperity is shared and inclusive. workers are empowered and their rights are respected. our economies are sustainable and resilient, and the bridges that connect our people open a golden gate of opportunity to create lives of hope. most people just hope. you know, it's been my approach here in the united states from the moment my administration took office, we're building an
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economy from the middle out and the bottom up. tricking down economy worked okay sometimes, but not a whole lot trickled down to my dad's kitchen table. but when the middle class does well, the poor have a chance, and the wealthy still do very well. because what happens, the poor have a ladder up, the middle class and wealthy still do well. folks, we're already seeing the results. the last quarter, the american economy grew 4.9%. the highest growth rate in two years. more people in the united states -- [ applause ] because of many of you sitting there, the ceos, let's give credit where it's due. more people in the united states are in the work force today than anytime in american history. unemployment has been under 4%
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for 21 straight months. inflation, has come down by 65%. more to do. we now have the lowest inflation rate of any advanced economy in the world. meanwhile, household wealth has grown. there's a disconnect between the numbers and how people feel about their place in the world right now. we can deal with the second part as well. we still have work to do. our model for growing is delivering real results for all americans. significant black unemployment, latino unemployment, et cetera. the strength of our economy is driving growth and spurring investment throughout our region. again, because many of you sitting in front of me made
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those judgments. since the start of my administration, companies have invested over $200 billion in the united states. these are historic investments, creating tens of thousands of good paying jobs. 14 million created just since we came to office. all across america in industries that are going to shape the future of this global. semiconductors, electric vehicles, batteries, hydrogen hubs, and other critical emerging technologies. i have long said it's never been a good bet to bet against the american people. never. i mean it, think about it. [ applause ] it's never been a good bet. and we're proving it once more. so my message to all of you here today is leaders of government
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and industry, can count on the united states. we're delivering on our promises and, we're doubling down on our progress. and we'll soon be your strong and steady partner as we continue working together to realize the asia-pacific region that is free and open, prosperous and secure, resilient and connected. by the way, twice since i have been president i've had the leaders of the asia-pacific islands come and meet with me in the united states. they're all part of it. i thought when i left the g20 and vietnam desperately wanted to see me and raise the relationship, it brought me back when i stood in front of that monument to john mccain, all my days growing up, i never thought that would ever occur. today i would like to talk a little bit about the work we've done in the region to get there, and how we're going to go about
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seeing this road forward. i said for a long time, united states is a pacific power. had that brief discussion yesterday with president xi. he had asked me before i reminded him, why we were showing asia pacific. it's because we're a pacific nation. because of us, there's been peace and security in the region allowing you to grow. he didn't disagree. i thought it was a very good straightforward meeting. we aren't going anywhere. for decades, america's enduring commitment to the region has been a spring board that's enabled growth, transformative growth. the open flow of congress lifted millions of people out of poverty. today the relationship goes both ways, the united states remains vital to the future of the
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region, and the region is more vital than ever to the united states of america. it's been my administration's outlook from day one, and we have clearly laid out our approach with the indo-pacific strategy. we're delivering across the board, including when it comes to our shared economic agenda. the united states has deep ties with our fellow apec economies. more than 60% of u.s. exports go to fellow apec economies. robust two-way investment between the united states and apec countries supports good jobs, and new opportunities all across the region, and american businesses significantly represented here in this auditorium are the largest source of foreign direct investment in the apec economies. in fact, we take just the u.s. companies represented here at
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this summit and look at their new investments of apec economies in the calendar year. we totalled more than $50 billion so far. investments announced today from companies like amazon, united, delta, microsoft, to make sure our regions are more inclusive and interconnected. investments announced today from companies like boeing, apple, flex port, pepsi cola, pepsi company, i should say. to make our economies greener and more sustainable. investments today to companies like ibm, visa, look. they make up -- they make our region more resilient. and make it more secure. here in this world, this world
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renowned hub of innovation, leading companies. like anthropic, and i'm going to mispronounce. i'm not going to try. it's better not to try and not mispronounce, than try and mispronounce. the point is small and medium-sized business start-ups will get in on the action as well. all of the announcements translate into real outcomes that matter to people's lives. they're proof that a strong dynamic american economy is an engine of growth, economic growth, innovation, throughout the entire region. and their testament to the fact that american investment, and american ingenuity are in high demand all across the region. when you do business with the united states and our companies, you know what you're getting.
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high standards, fair practices, protections for workers. world class ideas and innovation. and a commitment to deal with the environment. finally. it's a quality guarantee. look, this is how we have been able to mobilize billions in investment, including major new announcements this morning through our partnership with global infrastructure and investment. we also work closely to deepen our bilateral economic cooperation of partners throughout the region. especially on the issues that will most impact our future economic success. for example, in september, when i travel to vietnam, as i mentioned earlier to mark historic new phase in our partnership of our countries, we committed to work together to strengthen the semiconductor supply chain with india, japan, republic of korea, singapore.
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we have launched new initiatives and shaped technologies and standards that will transform the future. we have deepened economic partnerships with the philippines, indonesia, australia and others. we have renewed and elevated our engagement with critical regional bodies including asean, and the pacific island forum. when we offered to host apec two years ago, we committed to modernizing this institution. to make it easier for us to work together. as we take on the challenges of a new era and there are many challenges. we're going to see more changes in the next ten years than we have seen in the last 50 years. that brings me back to the summit, where do we go from here. the world is fundamentally different than it was 30 years ago at the first annual apec leaders meeting at blake island in washington state. the questions we must answer today are not about how much we
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trade but about how we build resilience, lift up working people. reduce carbon emissions and set up our economy to succeed over the long run. how to deliver growth from the bottom up and middle out. so no one gets left behind. the idea behind this new indo-pacific economic framework, a partnership among 14 diverse and dynamic nations, all committed to tackling urgent issues like pandemic response, vulnerable supply chains, climate change, natural disaster, which we have learned can gravely impact our economies. we've announced the frame work in may of 2022. and later today we're launching an important new tool to promote sustainable economic growth and create a race to the top, not the bottom. there are tangible commitments negotiated in record time that are going to deliver meaningful outcomes to make supply chains
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more resilient. facilitate clean energy transition. and fight corruption. for example, a new supply chain agreement will allow us to better monitor supply chain challenges before they become a full scale disruption before the covid-19 pandemic, and i'm sure we're better prepared to shift and adapt when disruptions do occur, and they will. i know you all know better than i. our work is not yet done. this framework will be a platform for ongoing economic cooperation, and we will continue working to better facilitate high standard trade that advances workers rights with strong enforcement of labor standards, and every step, at every step, we have upheld our commitment to unions. each of the framework pillars include strong pro labor outcomes that will benefit
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workers of all economies. it's critical to building a stronger, fairer, more resilient economy for families across the indo-pacific. our administration has launched the new global labor strategy to ensure that workers rights are the center piece for economic strategy internationally, as well as domestically. that's the primary concern to me. last week in illinois, congratulations the uaw on the record contract with the big three u.s. auto companies. the contracts can lead to thousands of new jobs, billions of dollars in planned investment to keep the american auto industry strong and competitive, and urge any company investing into partnerships with the most highly skilled, dedicated and engaged workers anywhere in the world. american labor. and folks, i ask the treasury department to do a study. when labor does well, what does that do to people or nonlabor
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folks around the country. everyone benefits. by the way, the reason many of you use labor is because you're the best workers in the world. union. it's not like you show up one day, say i want to be an electrician. you show up and say you've got five years to practice. and then you get a card. i'm also intent on responsibly managing competition between the united states and the people's republic of china. that's what we talked about yesterday, president xi and i. that's what the world expects of us, and i promise that's what we're doing. i met with xi yesterday, leader to leader, to make sure there's no miscommunication between us. as always, i've met with him more than any world leader, as vice president, i should get to know him. it wasn't appropriate for the president of the united states to be meeting with the vice president. we have had, prior to this, six to eight hours of private
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meetings, he and i with simultaneous interpreter. our discussions have always been candid. and constructive. i emphasized to president xi that the united states does not seek conflict. and yesterday we announced resumption of military-to-military communication channels to reduce the risk of accidental miscalculation. [ applause ] not as my generation would say back in the day, this is not all kumbaya, but it's straightforward. when it comes to maintaining a fair and level economic playing field. and protecting your intellectual property. we're going to continue to address them with smart policies and strong diplomacy.
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also taking action to protect our vital national security interest. we are derisking and diversifying our economic relations with the prc, not decoupling. not decoupling. we'll be firm. standing up for our values and our interests. and i was very straightforward as he was with me yesterday. at the same time, critical global issues such as climate, ai, narcotics, where it makes sense to work together, we have committed to work together. we're going to continue our commitment to diplomacy to avoid surprises, and to prevent misunderstandings. stable relationship between the world's two largest economies. is not merely good for the two economies but the world. a stable relationship is good for everyone. [ applause ] let me close with
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this. the leader statement from that first blake island summit 30 years ago captured a shared commitment to, quote, deepening the spirit of the community. all of this changed over the past three decades, we have to continue to summon the spirit of community to meet the challenges of the day, and to seize the enormous possibilities that exist. my staff is tired of hearing me say this for the last, i don't know how many years. the world is at an inflection point. where the decisions we make today. this is not hyperbole, are going to shape the direction of the world for decades to come, for decades to come. just think of ai, that's
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particularly true in the asia pacific. where so much of the future of our world will be written. and i would argue each of us has a part to play in writing that future together. so today, i challenge all of us to measure our successes not based on the bottom line of our balance sheets but over the lives we lift up through investments, the potential we unleash, the innovation, and the ability to talk with one another. let's build a global economy where everyone has a chance to succeed, and workers have a fair shot, a fair share of the value they create. the united states is stepping up because of many of you in this room. we're not talking the talk. we're backing it up with commitments. we're going to see us follow through. we want to thank you again for
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joining us in san francisco. thank you for your commitment to apec and the future of the asia-pacific region. and thank you for everything you have already done to make this summit a success. >> president biden in san francisco at the apec summit. elsewhere in san francisco, there is breaking news. a jury has found the man accused in the brutal hammer attack on nancy pelosi's husband guilty on both counts. nbc's dana griffin is live in san francisco for us. also with me, criminal defense attorney, and msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos. what's the latest from court on david depape? >> reporter: yeah, so, chris, he has been found guilty on both of those federal charges, attempted kidnapping of a federal official and assault on a family member of a federal official. this case came down to whether the jury believed that david depape hit paul pelosi over the head with that hammer around this time last year because of
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nancy pelosi' job in congress and her duties. the defense argued that third-degree nothing to do with her job, that he was targeting a list of people and that he was not planning to hold her hostage. the jury did not buy it, and today this verdict shows that they believe that he did this, and he took steps, substantial steps, which was part of the jury instruction to kidnap nancy pelosi and also that he hit paul pelosi because of his wife's duty in congress. now, we have received a statement from nancy pelosi's team. i'm going to pull that up so that we can read that. the office of nancy pelosi says speaker pelosi and her family are deeply grateful for the outpouring of prayers and warm wishes for mr. pelosi, from so many across the country during this difficult time. the pelosi family is very proud of their pop who demonstrated extraordinary composure and courage on the night of the attack a year ago. and in the courtroom this week,
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thankfully, mr. pelosi continues to make progress in his recovery. they went on to say they will not comment further because david depape is also facing charges for a state chase, and those charges include attempted murder. now, during this case, we heard from paul pelosi himself. he talked about that night, being woken up out of his sleep, trying to escape down the later in their bedroom, and david depape stopped him. we heard from david depape who did not dispute a lot of the government's evidence. he says he hit paul pelosi because he thought his plan to hold these people accountable, who he thought were, you know, causing concern for children in this country, he said he did that because he thought his plan had been thwarted and said this had nothing to do with nancy pelosi. he said he liked paul pelosi, and thought head a great rapport since they spent a lot of time in the home minutes before police showed up. he's going to be back in court december 13th, and a judge will sentence him. he faces 50 years, chris, for
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both of those charges. >> dana, thank you so much for that. so look, i mean, we've talked about this before, danny, but you had not only really compelling testimony from the victim, but you had video. anybody who watched the video could feel the terror of the moment. there was never a question about what was done. it was a risky move as well to put the suspect, the defendant now convicted on the stand. what do you make of where this landed? >> there was little doubt this was going to be guilty on all accounts. you had video evidence and statements the defendant made after he was taken into custody. the question really was why go to trial. maybe the government didn't offer a deal or no deal at all, and the defense thought, we might as well go to trial or perhaps the defendant exercised his constitutional right, and said i'm not interested in a deal, i want to go to trial.
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the same thing for why did he take the stand. he has a constitutional right to do so. or could have been the defense thought, hey, we've got nothing to lose. this is not looking good. he wants to testify. let's put him up there and see what happens. it's not as glib as that of course. it's a difficult decision to make. but if the client wants to testify, the client will testify. he has a right to torpedo his own case or another way of looking at it is that it really didn't matter whether he testified or he didn't when the evidence was this strong. in fact, really the only hill that the government had to climb here was the intent factor. they needed to prove more than he just assaulted paul pelosi but that he assaulted him with the intent to intimidate a member of congress, nancy pelosi, that might have been the only arguably heavy lift here. as we can see from the verdict, wasn't too hard a lift. >> what's the consideration now as they consider how long he might have to serve in prison. >> when you look at the statutory maxim, that doesn't give a forecast of what an
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individual defendant is going to get. all that tells us is the stealing, the statutory maximum, which is 50 years. 30 years on the assault. the federal sentencing guideline is coming to play. he'll have an interview with the u.s. probation department, a presentence investigation report. they'll add up the often complex u.s. sentencing guidelines, which award more points for things like using a weapon. other items like that will boost you up higher and higher. that will spit out a sentencing range in months, and even then, here's the crazy thing. since the early 2000s, the supreme court said you don't have to sentence in the guideline, the judge can go above or below. it's difficult to forecast what kind of federal sentence somebody will get. which is no forecast at all. >> to what extent does the amount of injury that was inflicted upon mr. pelosi play into this? i noted in the statement,
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thankfully mr. pelosi makes progress in his recovery. all these months later, he is recovering. he did spend six full days in hospital. >> injury to a victim is absolutely something that's taken into account. so too is the use of a weapon. these are all different factors in the federal sentencing guidelines that will boost the levels, they're called and arrive at a sentencing guideline range. the judge may be persuaded that maybe something above the guidelines range is appropriate in a crime of violence like this that is intended according to the statute, to intimidate a u.s. official. so that's why this case is in federal court, and that's why it precedes in both federal and state court because these are separate sovereigns. he's basically facing traditional assault type crimes. whereas in federal court, the nexus is that intent to kidnap either a u.s. official or intimidate a u.s. official, which invokes the federal government's limited
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jurisdiction. >> danny cevallos, thank you for being here for our breaking news. senate republicans once again on the attack against tommy tubeville for his continued hold up of military pro motions, one comparing it to a car wreck on interstate 95. the details ahead on "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. c d deserves it! ♪ (mom) carolers? to tell me you want a new iphone? a better plan is verizon. (vo) black friday starts now. turn any iphone in any condition into a new iphone 15 pro with titanium and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. only on verizon. he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪
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let's start first with the stopgap funding bill waiting for president biden's signature. the senate passed it last night, avoiding a government shutdown, at least for now. but then tensions ramped up again overnight when a group of republican senators tried yet again to break senator tommy tuberville's hold on military promotions. >> this is like a car wreck on i-95. it keeps backing up.
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last time there were 300. we're up to 450. >> i understand the national security risks that are out there and detriment. >> it punishes brave service members who didn't develop the policy and can't change it. >> if you don't believe the holds are having an effect on the military, i don't question your sincerity, i question your judgment. if this continues this is one of the worst self-inflicted wounds i have seen in 20 years. >> joining us now, former republican congressman david jolly of florida, and msnbc political analyst. so look, they have been patient, i guess you could say. they have pretty much had it. second time republican senators are lashed out at tuberville for the record on the senate floor. they're going to consider a resolution that would temporarily allow them to by the time tuberville and go ahead and approve these military promotions in large batches. what do you think the chances are enough republicans vote for
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this? >> it appears they will be able to pull it off. it takes nine republicans, and we're at five or six who are publicly saying they'll side with democrats. post dobbs, the defendant of defense said we're going to provide benefits to women who need to cross state lines for reproductive services. and tommy tuberville said no, you're not. we're going to withhold all of your appointees and even his republican colleagues are saying that is too much. the world is on fire. everybody knows that from main street to the u.s. senate. the u.s. military needs leaders in place. we don't have them right now because of a single senator from alabama, and his vanity project. >> then, david, you have the major escalation in the george santos saga over on the house side. the ethics committee essentially concluding he's a thief who blatantly stole from his campaign, and used those funds from everything from botox to a
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hamptons vacation rental, spa treatments, a trip to vegas, the report does not recommend the house take specific action. now there's going to be a resolution tomorrow to expel santos, do you think he'll get voted out? >> you know, it is a 2/3 threshold. i'm a creature of the house, i have worked with it for nearly three decades. there is a rhythm to these investigations, and when you saw santos come out and say, okay, i won't seek reelection. that was his move to try to fore stall expulsion. the expulsion vote will likely push forward. i will tell you, a big question right now is on speaker mike johnson. in the past, the rhythm involved getting it to this point, and the speaker stepped in and said you are going to resign. you are going to leave. don't put the house through this. it's been nearly 20 years since there was a successful expulsion vote. we might see one with santos. nobody knew that in this house.
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>> david jolly, always good to see you. thank you so much for coming on the program. that's going to do it this hour, make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right after a short break. short break. (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today.
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good to be with you, i'm katy tur. israel says it has recovered the body of a hostage inside a structure next to al shifa hospital. the hostage is an older woman abducted from the kibbutz on october 7th. the idf claims weapons and military equipment was found within the same structure. israeli troops are searching the hospital and the surrounding area for a second day looking for evidence hamas was headquartered within or below the hospital. as the israeli government has claimed. the idf says soldiers are going from building to building, floor by floor, as injured patients, newborn babies, and medical staff remain inside. it is a highly controversial raid, one that even the united states says they're not entirely
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