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democrats can beat him in 2024. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> right, now the debate over donald trump's incredibly dangerous rhetoric is not just playing out in the court of public opinion, then we see it there, of course. it's also playing out in the court of law. tomorrow morning, an appeals court here in washington, d.c., we'll hear arguments about what trump can and cannot say about the federal trial over his efforts to overturn an election. remember, a gag order that case was imposed then paused then reinstated then suspended. it's been a lot to keep up with. yes, our court system is clearly grappling with the challenges of trying a former president and current candidate turned criminal defendant. we will talk about what happens during this appeals court hearing on our show tomorrow night, but as we saw in trump's civil trial -- civil fraud trial in new york, trump's intent on testing the limits of the rule of law. the gag order, whether the gag

orders in place or no gag orders in place. when i was in new york, he violated it and was fined thousands of dollars, twice. and when it was lifted, the ink had barely dried before he was back at it posting a message on truth social, calling a law clerk politically biased and out of control. see, in trump's eyes, he is bigger than the procedures of the court. he is outside the rule of law. in his eyes, his political supporters, the maga base, want to hear him attack the legal system. that's why he does it. he will push the envelope as far as he's allowed to go. and often even farther. as we watch our courts struggle to contain him and they are having a hard time, it is becoming increasingly clear that his party, the republican party, might be the only institution that can actually hold him accountable. but so far, they are refusing to step up. they have tolerated trump echoing the language of genocidal dictators, routinely dehumanizing his political opponents, speaking not just of beating his emmys at the ballot

box, but extinguishing them altogether. they've tolerated the dark vision for america trump is plotting for his second term, complete with sweeping raids, sprawling detention camps, and mass deportation for immigrants. with a reinstated muslim ban and a push to unleash troops on protesters. just last night, trump rode on truth social that 2024 is our final battle. we will finish the job once and for all. see, he is casting this not as an election but as a battle. every republican who does not speak out against that kind of thing is complicit. but we are also point where the party is not just elevating donald trump, they are following his lead. in a word and also action. maybe that has something to do with his view of what the maga base wants, a base many republicans are scared of losing or even just scared of in general. his violent rhetoric has trickled down to congress, where literal fighting erupted this week. i mean, if the head of the party is spouting violent

rhetoric any chance he gets, i guess it's not really surprising that brawls are on the verge of breaking out in the halls of the capitol. it has kind of a connection there. this, week in the span of one, date we are talking about one single day, here former house speaker kevin mccarthy was accused of elbowing tennessee representative tim burton in the kidneys, a fistfight nearly broke out in the middle of a senate hearing when senator markwayne mullin's stood up from his chair to confirm the president of the teamsters union, i'm not sure why that was necessary. and the chairman of the house oversight committee screamed at another representative in another hearing calling him a smurf. i don't know about the use of that word, but here we go. in fact, republicans tempered flared so dramatically and so publicly that speaker mike johnson told them to take thanksgiving to cool off. the m to tak but let's face it, we all kind of know they won't. the fact is, the fish rots from the head, it always does. donald trump remains the de facto head of the gop. none of this behavior should

come as a surprise, given trump's role in unleashing a violent mob on the capitol on january 6th. the problem is, rank-and-file republicans in congress seemingly refused to learn from that history, even when it once put their lives in jpajoining mc congressman dan goldman of new york. congressman, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. i wanted to just start with what has been happening in the house. you are relatively new to being a member, less than a year here. but you've been around members for a long time. when you observe it and speak with red veteran colleagues, have you noticed a shift in congress toward more threats and insults even amongst each other? >> well, certainly this republican party has demonstrated it's complete dysfunction that is now fallen into actual violence. we have been, in d.c., for ten straight weeks, which is much longer than usual. but i think it is more of a reflection of the fact that

house republicans, in particularly, cannot get anything done. not only are they not working with democrats, they can't even result among themselves how they want to go forward. and so, tensions are incredibly high. they have a failed impeachment inquiry going on, they can't pass any legislation. and they end up doing what the democrats want, because that's the only thing that can get through. and then there is a backlash from the far-right. not only do you have wwe in one day in congress this week, but you also have a republican member of the house go to the floor and demand that his leadership tell him one single thing that the republicans have gotten done this year that he can campaign on, because there is nothing. this is really a civil war within the republican party. it is a shame for the american people, because we're ready to work, we are ready to get stuff done for the american people. >> i want to also turn to trump, of course, and just some of

what the reporting has been around some of his conversations, also as we anticipate a year full of trials next year. i want to listen to part of a conversation that he had with abc's jonathan karl about january 6th and get your thoughts on the other end. >> you told them you are going to go up to the capital, where yojust -- >> i was going to and then the secret service set, you can't. and then by the time i would have -- i would when i get back, i said i wanted to go back. i was thinking about going back during the problem to stop the problem, doing it myself. secret service didn't like that idea too much. i could've done that, and you know what, i would've been very well received. >> there is been so much speculation, contemplation, discussion of what trump wanted to do, what he knew or didn't know. do you think, as a prosecutor, former prosecutor, this is something that could be useful in the case against trump? how it will be used. >> i mean, look, he says i would be well received because he knows the people who were there are his supporters who he

riled up and incited to invade and riot at the capitol and try to disrupt the proper accounting of the electoral college votes. every time he talks, he's putting himself into a bigger criminal hole. but that's not his objective. his objective is purely political, at this point. politics don't work in the courtroom, as i think he is finding out. the new york attorney generals case in new york, the civil case. i think that's going to continue in his criminal trials. but his rhetoric, it is really getting dangerous, more and more dangerous. we saw what happened on january 6th, when he uses inflammatory rhetoric. and now, in his recent truth social post is incredibly, incredibly scary for anyone that might be trying to work in government. it is just and unquestionable at this point that this man cannot see public office again. he's not only unfit, he is

destructive to our democracy and he has to be eliminated. >> there are several hearings going on right now, back-and-forths over gag orders in various cases. none of it seems to be working. what do you think, what are the consequences that might work in having trump dial back his language, or would anything work? >> i've noted the gag orders are very specific to the case that they relate to. it is not of trying to infringe on his ability to campaign or make political speech. it's really just trying to stop him from threatening witnesses, prosecutors, and judges, which of course is out of bounds. and if he continues to do, that there will be a ratcheting up of penalties that may start with fines, but could ultimately end up with jail time. at some point, donald trump believes he's above the law and he is going to meet the law headfirst. >> i want to get your reaction

to some new reporting from nbc overnight that u.s. israel and hamas negotiators are closing in on a deal to release some of the hostages in exchange for a pause in the fighting. this morning on meet the press, deputy national security advisor jon finer did confirm that they are discussing more than a dozen hostages, a larger number than we've seen to date. he could not confirm how many were americans and also make clear nothing is agreed, of course, until everything is agreed, which is also the case in negotiations. i want to get your reaction to the possibility of this, deal which would also include a temporary cease of hostilities. >> this is what we all should be focusing on right now, is the release of the 240 hostages, that includes 33 children and babies who've been held for 33 days in captivity by hamas. that should be the focus of the entire international community right now. it's abhorrent, it's obviously

legal. it is treacherous. the fact that there is a focus on other things related to what's going on and not a real keen focus on releasing those hostages so that we can have a pause, so that we can get the aid to the innocent palestinian civilians who so desperately need it. i'm glad that we are getting close to it, but i hope it's more than 12. because we've got 33 children, many, many more innocent women and elderly. the innocent civilians must be released. everyone in the international community must be putting pressure on hamas, on guitar, on iran, on egypt, to then apply pressure on hamas to release those hostages. >> you and senator cory booker, i should know you are both in israel on the day of the october 7th attack, sent a letter to present, biden asked him to keep pressing israel to

crackdown on violence by israeli sailors in the west bank. there hasn't been as much focus on it as until recently. yesterday, biden said the u.s. is prepared to impose sanctions on israeli settlers involved in the attacks. is that enough? do you think this signals a shift in how the administration kind of views that aggression? >> yes, i think that's a significant step, i was very happy to see that the president made that public. israel cannot afford to have any vigilante justice in the west bank, to incite volatility there, incite violence there. both in terms of the near term, because the focus must be on hamas in gaza and nowhere else, and israel and the u.s. must do everything possible to stave off a multi front war. but also in terms of long term peace process, whatever israel does in the west bank is going to have an impact on how the international community views israel as a viable partner in a

two state solution, which may be the silver lining of this entire dreadful situation over there that there may be the foundation for a two state solution. but we're going to need the entire international community, including the arab league, including gulf states, to both invest political capital and financial capital into a rebuilding of gaza and a remaking of the middle east in order to have that two state solution. and it is essential that israel take whatever necessary steps that they can to preserve that possibility. so would you be open to any condition of aid, congressman, from the united states? >> no, there should never be conditioning of aid to israel. israel is our perhaps best partner, both militarily, democratically, diplomatic me. we share a tremendous amount of information. there is a very close relationship, and israel's democracy that abides by the

rule of law. our support for israel must be unconditional, and we should never put actual specific conditions on any aid that goes there. we should however, as we are doing, use our relationship with israel to press them to do the necessary things for the good of not only israel but, also the broader middle east, and the global community in general. and i think that is what we are seeing president biden do. he is showing excellent and correct struck staunch support for israel, as it fights a brutal terrorist regime that is it solely focused on eliminating israel. israel is a democracy, and they abide by the rule of law, and they must abide by the rule of law. and so, there is a diplomatic channel that we will use with israel, to make sure that we are all on the same page. but, we should not ever be conditioning aid to israel. >> congressman dan goldman,

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petitioners have established that trump engaged in an insurrection on january six, 2021. so, just to pause on that for one second. a judge ruled that a former president engaged in an insurrection against the united states. just another frightening in 2023, here we go. so, why is he still on the ballot? i mean, that's the first question i had. well, it all came down to a very specific part of section three of the 14th amendment, that lists of who would be disqualified from holding public office again, after previously taking an oath to support the constitution of the united states. the judge ruled that because that section does not specifically name the presidential oath, or the presidency, that presidents are therefore exempt. so, it kind of seems like trump was let off the hook, because of a technicality in the fine print, that's a lot. -- although he had some the best lawyers to do that. but, this case will be a beal -- appealed to the supreme court. but, the united states supreme court will likely have the final say on what happens here. joining me now is our in-house law firm, andrew weissmann. he is the former general counsel of the fbi, and the

senior member of special counsel robert mueller's team. -- he is the former active u.s. solicitor general. so andrew, we always know what you think, because you are very prolific on twitter. but i want to ask, you last night at a rally, don trump basically said that this is a gigantic victory, essentially, a court victory for him. what did you think when you read that ruling? >> well that's a lot like his saying that after an and after the mueller, report exonerated. so look, that's his spin. i do think there is a factual component to this, and a legal component. it is great you are focusing on the misleading headlines. the factual component is not just the bottom line that you read, where the judge says i find that he incited. but, she goes through a litany of his history of violent rhetoric. and let me just give you one example from the ellipse, which i think many people have not focused on. where the judge said, this is from donald trump's exact words. when you catch somebody in a

fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules. and then he talked about fighting over and over again. i mean, there was the very explicit finding, with an enormous support. and then i'm sure, neil is gonna talk a lot about the legal ruling. but just, here is my lay, not legal view. the idea that people passed this part of the constitution, saying if you engaged in insurrection, you cannot hold any office except the presidency, that seems crazy. >> it doesn't make sense. >> at all. >> i mean that is a lay -- that's -- so neil, i think one of the big questions here is kind of, what happens from here? a lot of the reporting suggests this could go to the colorado supreme court next, and then ultimately to the supreme court. you are very familiar with these processes, walk us through what could happen from here. >> -- yes so, i do, i argue appeals for a living, and i lived part of the year in colorado, so i'm very familiar of the colorado

supreme court. and you, know i think andrew and you have got it exactly. right if i were to put the headline on friday night as an appeals lawyer, it would be this is the very worst decision donald trump could get from the trial court. because it is going to go on appeal to the colorado supreme court, perhaps the u.s. supreme court. and there, trump is going to face extreme headwinds. and the reason for that is the factual. there's two parts, as andrew says. there is the factual finding that the judge set, which is that from comes committed insurrection. and then there is a legal part, that the 14th amendment doesn't apply to the office of the presidency. and on appeals, jen, the factual findings get massive deference by the appeals court. it's almost impossible to overturn a trial judges cap factual funding. you can overturn illegal findings, because that is basically a fresh look at the legal thing. and here, this judge factually made devastating findings against trump. and, then look at this legal technicality which was, well the 14th amendment doesn't

apply to the office of the president. which is so weak, even the judge themselves admitted that this would be preposterous. and the reason for that is that there are other parts of the constitution that say that the president isn't officeholder of the united states, which is kind of obvious. and the text, and the -- when you flash the 14th amendment, says it applies to quote, any office, civil or military, under the united states, as long as you have taken an oath. and of course, the president does take an oath. and it would be an insane reading otherwise. it would mean jefferson davis, or robert e. lee could have run for the presidency in 1868. that could not possibly be the law. and i don't think that it will command a majority of the colorado supreme court, or certainly the united states supreme court. >> so you've argued a lot of cases before, would you take this case? hell yeah >> i'm ready,. >> hell yeah, hallelujah. okay, we've got to move on to an. there is so much legal news happening. so tomorrow andrew, there is an

appeals court judge who temporarily paused the gag order that barred trump commenting about court staff involved in the civil fraud trial. tomorrow, there is a three judge panel. and in front of the u.s. court of appeals. what are you looking for, and what should we be watching for? >> this relates so much to what we have just been talking about. and also, to your interview with congressman goldman. which is, violence. and again, i know that you are sitting there going will i'm not a, lawyer on the layperson. but, i think that will be what the panel will be focused on. because. >> the violent rhetoric? >> exactly, and the history of violence, and what happened just this week in congress. his picture with a baseball bat with alvin bragg, his discussion of mark milley, his belittling attack on an 82-year-old man with a hammer that was almost fatal, because he's the husband of a political enemy, or perceived political enemy. all of that to me, it's going to feed into the argument, and

the idea that you are going to say. and sort of ignore the reality that this is a candidate who is embracing violence. and, what judge wants to have on their conscience that they are going to have allowed this to happen? because ashore as we are sitting here, is this going to repeat? there is a woman currently criminally charged for threatening to kill the district judge on this case. so, this is really a refutation of donald trump's lawyers argument that this is just speculative. that is what they are arguing. and it's just not the case. >> and neil, very quickly. and in our remaining seconds, what do you think the headline is going to be out of tomorrow, if you were to guess? >> these are three really respected judges, they have all worked at the justice department. i suspect that they will ask really tough questions of trump, because he is dangerous, and he has generated the very best evidence against his position on the gag order. so, i think the headlines tomorrow we'll read judge, very skeptical, the judge is very

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complicated very sensitive negotiations have been narrowed, that i believe we are closer than we have been in quite some time, maybe closer than we have big been since the beginning of this process, to getting this deal done. but at this point, we really need to adhere to the mantra that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. you know, sensitive negotiations like this would fall apart at the last minute. >> nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. what jon finer is telling us there is that, he's basically saying everything he can without going too far. and potentially complicating what is a very delicate negotiation. so, why can't the white house say more in this moment? well, i've lived through a lot of these. and typically, the final stages of hostage peels hanging by a thread. in this case, u.s. and israeli officials have been discussing a deal for weeks now, with the qataris. qatar's prime minister said today that all that remains are very minor details. and, that sounds promising. it is, but in my experience, those minor details can be the difference between a deal and no deal. so if you are sitting inside the white house right now, you

are navigating some massive challenges. >> -- says that considerably more than a dozen hostages are being considered for release. but the question is, how many? and, how many will be left behind? we just don't know yet. and -- also acknowledge that the u.s. does not have good intel on the status of those that remain. apart from the hostage deal, the national security team also has their eyes on the rise in violence in the west bank, something we discussed with dan goldman, which is now reportedly causing an internal policy process to consider visa bans and sanctions for israeli settlers. and finally, the humanitarian crisis in gaza has reached a breaking point. take for instance the situation in gaza's largest hospital in the last several days. israeli forces stormed al-shifa hospital searching for evidence at a key hamas command center. but so, far they have come up short. and the world health organization now describes that hospital as a death zone. they found 80 bodies in a mass grave, and several patients who had died as a result of medical services shutting down. a pause on the fighting would allow a much-needed influx of

medical aid, that's a great thing. and of course, the release of any hostages would be incredible news. but if you are sitting in the white house right now, and you are looking through a way to resolve those conflicts, there are still larger challenges ahead. up next, what does one of the most prominent jewish lawmakers in the congress think about donald from echoing the words of hitler. you will find, out in my wide ranging interview with governor jb pritzker. and, later botox, all ade the hamptons, and a shopping spree. you might think i'm describing weekend with a wee real housewives, but those are just a few of the -- in the house ethics report on george santos. we got a deep dive coming up in just a few moments, we will be right back. right back hi richard, louis and here's what's happening. former first lady rosalynn carter passed away today at the age of 96. she was around by her family in her home in plains, georgia. carter was married to former president jimmy carter for 77 years. she is remembered as a humanitarian, championing issues like mental health,

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to the southern border, with texas governor greg abbott, or have it is expected to endorse him. it's an image that should feel unsettling, given what we are learning about his plans for mass deportation and giant camps for those waiting to be expelled. of course, that's not saying nothing of his rhetoric, which includes top of immigrants poisoning the blood of the country, and echoes the language of not cease. and it's all happening in a climate of antisemitism and islamophobia are on the rise across the country as the war, between israel and hamas rages. on this moments of leaders of both parties -- and while we are waiting on more republicans to speak up,

democrats are not holding back. including one of the most prominent jewish politicians in the united states, illinois governor jaime pritzker. i sat down with him this week in chicago, to talk about what we are seeing and hearing from donald trump right now, and how democrats can make the case against him. >> donald trump's team have put out some details of how he sees immigration, if that's a way to describe it, which includes his threat to round up undocumented immigrants across the country, create camps, large numbers of deportations. the migrant crisis though is front and, center for a lot of people in this country. on the border, but also states like illinois. are you worried that his top tough approach is going to be appealing to some people in the country? >> jim you know, i lead the building of a holocaust museum. the rhetoric that is being used by donald trump, the rhetoric that is being used by some of the maga extremists,'s rhetoric that was used in the 1930s in

germany. i am very concerned about the direction of the country, if we see policies like what donald trump is espousing, come to light for our country. >> i think you are referencing, in part, he used the word vermin just recently, to describe who he was targeting. as one of the leading jewish governors in the country, what did you think when you heard that? >> well it's just one in a long series of remarks, words, that donald trump has used that are unfortunately reminiscent of the past. let me just be clear, in germany in the 1930s, people that they didn't want to have power, people that they wanted to separate and segregate, they began calling them immigrants, even people who had been in germany for generations.

jews who were doctors, lawyers in government at the time became known as immigrants. even though they were german. and this is a way to begin to segregate people, and then eventually at, least happened in germany is that they turned it into a way to almost de humanize, and then they did in fact dehumanize, and kill people. i don't know where it's going, with donald trump. what i can tell you is the things that he talks about are frightening to those of us who know the history of europe in the 1930s and 40s. and, i am deeply concerned about his predilection for revenge. and, what that will mean for groups of people that didn't support him in the 2024 election, if in fact he gets elected. >> he has, to your point, talk about political targeting, about going after his enemies. do you think people are talking

about that enough? other democratic leaders. >> no. and, i repeat it wherever i go, that donald trump is dangerous for our democracy, he is dangerous for specific minority groups in the united states. and, i think that for those of us who have a platform to call it out, it is a requirement, in my view for all of us to call it out. not just democrats, by the way, republicans. to >> do you expect they will speak out? >> i hope they will, i know there are people who are afraid. and that is exactly what donald trump hopes, is that people will be too afraid to speak. up i am not, josh shapiro is not. many other democrats, whether you're jewish or another minority group in the united states, are not. but, there are republicans that need to stand up and call it out. and i would like to see that sooner rather than. later >> just after the war began, a six-year-old

palestinian american boy was of course killed in your state, and you've been very vocal about this, by a man who allegedly cited the terror attack in israel had as his vote. if you obviously, content you've condemned it many times. but, how worried are you about the overall rise in hate speech, and the potential for violent actions as a result? >> i am deeply concerned about the rise of hate in the united states, and especially of course here in illinois. i worry about it on our college campuses. we've seen protests, and i think it's everybody's right to express themselves. what i don't want is protests and counterprotests, encountering each other. and, that turning into violence, that concerns me greatly. -- the six-year-old palestinian american boy. there is a completely innocent young child, who doesn't know anything about conflicts happening thousands of miles away. he was just living his life,

and he is attacked by an extremist, here in the united states. it's just something that none of us should even fathom. and yet, it happened. and it happened in the wake of this war that's happening overseas. and, this young boy, killed, murdered because someone had been radicalized by right wing radio, in right-wing television. that is something we all need to pay attention to. >> there has obviously been some polls that have made a lot of democrats freak out a bit lately, as of late. and i think that is safe to say. you have said that the choice hasn't been crystalize yet, i'm paraphrasing for, you of course. what do you think is the most important crystallization of that choice? >> well, you know, i don't think yet people have really

put these two next to each other, and evaluated what the philosophies and agendas are of these two people. look, you still have a republican primary going on, even if people are saying that donald trump will win, there are debates going on. you are hearing from other characters on the republican side, it is a jumble for voters who are just trying to get through the day, pay their bills, and go to work and take care of their families. and people don't really focus until, let's face it, after the conventions. and so, it's just in those final couple of months, right, from july all the way through november, that this needs to be brought home to people. so when that happens, that crystallization i think will occur in people's minds. and, people will see that the democracy that they believe, in the country that they owe their allegiance to, that the patriots out there we'll see that the best thing for america is to put aside the

authoritarian donald trump, and vote for the empathetic, genuinely democratic, and a believer in protecting peoples rights, in joe biden and kamala harris. >> senator joe manchin has announced he is not running for senate again. he has also said he doesn't think that biden harris is the best, strongest ticket, that's a paraphrase. you've been a strong supporter of the president. but, what do you think about that? >> i am concerned. i think third party candidates running for president have had an effect on prior number of elections for president. but i will also tell you that joe biden is somebody that, compared to these other candidates, his head and shoulders above. and i do believe that people will see that donald trump is the anti-democratic, authoritarian candidate that is bad for america. >> thank you to governor pritzker for sitting down with me in chicago. and we are going to put up my entire conversation with the governor on msnbc.com.

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