legislature, in the court of public opinion, and even in financing, if it were not for mrs. carter. >> reporter: in 1979, mrs. carter became the second first lady to ever testified before congress, pushing for mental health legislation. >> i have learned the challenge that it is, and the complexities involved with providing care for those who are mentally affected. >> reporter: helping generations of americans get the care they need. >> my mental health work, i want that to carry on, even after there is no more stigma. >> reporter: tonight, that legacy continues. andrea mitchell, nbc news, washington. >> rosalynn carter's legacy is one of service to others, let her hardworking be a reminder tonight that if you need help, please ask for it. and if you can give help, please give it. and on that note, i wish you all a very good, very safe

and healthy night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ thank you at-home for joining us this hour. so, there are minimalist candy bars, and there are maximalist candy bars. minimalist are the ones like, you know, a classic hershey's bar, just chocolate, or a heath bark, which is coffee in the middle and then chocolate. my favorite is a payday bar, i don't know what that is, it's basically like peanuts and grew. i don't know. but a picnic bar on the other hand is not one of those a minimalist once. it is a maximalist candy bar. it is like if you combine all the things in a snickers bar and a milky way and a crackle bar, it's got like caramel,

peanuts, new get, cookie, and a whole bunch of other stuff in there. it is like the jumble area of candy bars. and they are delicious. they are not a big thing in the united states for whatever reason, although i think you can get them here. i know they are very popular in lots of other parts of the world. here, for example, our picnic bars on a supermarket shelf in russia. and you can see from the little price tag, look at the price, listed for 14 rubles each, which is almost nothing. 14 rubles is only like 16 cents in u.s. dollars. now, our picnic bar is that cheap in russia. actually, they're not. this wasn't a blowout 60 cents sale on delicious candy bars. you see that description written there in russian. if you translate that into english, it says this. it says, quote, russian soldiers did not let 14 trucks

with humanitarian cargo into the kherson region of ukraine. peaceful civilians there need food and medicine. so the price tag says 14 rubles, which is not the real price. and then that description of something going on in the war, 14 trucks. that turns out to be the think. because here's another one, a price tag under tubs of instant coffee, 400 rubles. but it's not really 400 rubles, and inscription say it does not say instant coffee. it says the russian army has bombed an art school in mariupol. around 400 people were inside it hiding from the shooting. 400 people, 400 rubles. here is a price tag under a shelf of glue sticks, listed at 19.98 apiece. weekly inflation reached the maximum since 1998 due to military actions in ukraine. stop the war. these false price tax, on store shelves and supermarkets across

russia, they went up early last year. it was shortly after russia invaded ukraine in february of last year. and you see the theme about how this works, every number that is listed on the price tag that looks like a price was tied to some kind of data point about the war. you can see the candy bar price, for example, that doesn't seem like the right price. what does that actually say? and then you can look at the description, and that will make you think. artists, activists made a pack of these false price labels that people can print out to take to their local supermarkets and put up on the shelves, just as a very small protest, a small form of dissent, it quiet, thought-provoking, non violent, non damaging form of speech, to try to get people to think to make a small gesture of protests against what russia was doing in starting that war in ukraine. 20 rubles, the russian army has destroyed over 20 medical establishments in ukraine.

4300 rubles, stop the war! in the first three days, 4300 russian soldiers and. why is this not being talked about on tv? eight rubles. i haven't been in touch with my sister from ukraine for eight days. i don't know what's happened to her. stop the war. at the start of the russian invasion of ukraine, russian president vladimir putin made it a criminal offense for anyone in russia to say anything negative about what russia was doing in that war. when the anti-war price tags started popping up in russian stores, security officials started hunting down the people who had put those price tags up on the shelves. and one of those people was this young woman. her name is alexandra -- she goes by sasha. she's an artist, she's the pacifist. last year, sasha printed out five of those protest price tag, five of them. and she put them up on a shelf at her local supermarket. and using security camera

footage, the police identified her. they tracked her down at a friends house. and then, they arrested her. they put her behind bars under putin's new law that bans so-called fake news about russian troops. you might remember us covering this back in april of last year when it first happened, if that story finds sounds familiar, it's because we covered it back than a year and a half ago. since then, sasha has been in prison, awaiting trial. she has been imprisoned this whole year and a half since she was arrested last spring. pbs actually made an incredible documentary that followed more on the story since. it wasn't all about her, but a little slice of that documentary covered her story. it is a documentary called putin's war at home. again, it is pbs. the whole thing is online. you can watch it online for free. i highly recommend it. they just won an emmy for it. but for the documentary, for the subplot, this documentary, they followed sasha's story, and they spoke with her partner, sonia. they were able to go to one of

the criminal hearings in sasha's case where the court decided to keep her in prison for the world threatening dangerous crime of her posting those five little price tags in a russian mark. e price tags i a russian mark >> [speaking in a global language] [speaking in a global language] [applause] [speaking in a global language]

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[speaking in a global language] i just want them to let her go, she says, i just want them to let her go. well, now we know the resolution of this case. alexandra, sasha the artist, has just been sentenced to seven years in a russian penal colony. seven years in a russian penal cop calling for the grave crime of placing five anti war price tags in a russian supermarket. dozens of her friends and supporters were in the courtroom when she was

sentenced. they chanted her name. when the sentence came down, they chanted, shame, shame, shame. sasha then addressed the court. she said despite being behind bars, i am freer than you, addressing the judge, she said i'm not afraid to be different from others. perhaps, that is why my state is so afraid of me and others like me and keeps me caged like a dangerous animal. she said the prosecutor repeatedly declared my actions extremely dangerous to society and the state. how fragile must of the prosecutors believe in our state and society be, if he thinks that our statehood and public safety can be brought down by five small pieces of paper. they did not have to conjure up some kind of, like, phantom property damage here, right? for putting up these little anti-war pieces of paper, these little anti-war price tags. this wasn't a damaging crime. this wasn't a violent crime. she's not even part of any group. she has no criminal record. she has no record of ever being a political activist of any

kind. this was just her making a personal statement of opinion. and now, she is sentenced to seven years in a penal colony for having done so. because this is what they do. in 2021, the nobel peace prize was given to journalists. one of them is this man, the editor in chief of a newspaper called novaya gazeta. it was probably the most important national newspaper in russia that was independent and critical of the kremlin. since putin has been a leader of russia, at least six journalists from novaya gazeta have been murdered under mysterious circumstances, including their star investigative reporter, and not political skier, who was murdered in her apartment building in 2006 on vladimir putin's birthday. and novaya gazeta's editor was one of two people who was awarded the nobel peace prize of 2021, shortly thereafter under the threat of having the

whole staff of the newspaper arrested, novaya gazeta was forced to stop its print edition and move its operations out of the country. just a few weeks ago, the nobel peace prize laureate was officially discolored a foreign agent in russia. he's not foreign. he's russian. by declaring him a foreign agent who makes that essentially a crime for everybody in russia to work with him in any way, and likely they'll try to jail him as well. i mentioned that he was one of two people that got the nobel peace prize in 2021. the other person, a person he shared it with is this journalist. her name is maria -- she was a bureau chief for cnn, and she ended up founding an independent modern critical news organization in the philippines called rappler. and when the philippines got rodrigo duterte as the de facto dictator of that country, the same year that we got donald

trump, soon after maria ressa found herself arrested and jailed and charged with multiple crimes. she won that nobel peace prize in 2021, along with the editor from novaya gazeta, in russia. and soon after she won the nobel peace prize, the philippine government ordered rappler, the news organization, shut down entirely. they're still fighting to keep that going. she's still fighting to stay out of jail. but that is true, both for her and the philippines, and for her fellow nobel laureate in russia, both of them, facing the same kind of threats. it's not because either of them has done anything other than commit journalism, but that's how authoritarian governments tweet journalists. that is how authoritarian government treat the threat of the free press. literally awarded the nobel peace prize cannot protect you. yesterday, argentina elected a new president.

and it is the chainsaw guy, the guy whose followers where, make argentina great again baseball hats. he got a big congratulations from republican party leader, donald trump, when he won this election in argentina yesterday, he says that as argentina's new president, he is going to eliminate that countries currency, and abolish its central bank. he says of the 18 departments in the federal government, he is going to eliminate ten of the 18, including health and education. he has said that he wants a three, free totally unregulated market in guns in argentina. and also, a free and totally unregulated market in human organs. that said, he also wants a total ban on abortion. so, you know, freedom. but with that to do list, what are the priorities? what comes first? well, what did he talk about first after getting elected. he was elected last night. this was his victory speech last night.

you can see his signature, calm, cool and collected by on full display. this is last night, and he won. and then today, first thing he told reporters that he is going to move to dismantle the media outlets in argentina that gave him critical coverage during the presidential campaign. this is what they do. this is what they do, this is what they do everywhere. as soon as jair bolsonaro got elected it was a, this was the headline even before bolsonaro took office. brazil's annexed president declares war on fake news media. that was 2018 when he was first elected. by 2020, he was publicly making a show of threatening to punch a reporter in the face. by 2023, when he was voted out of his office, and his supporters to write their own january 6th site storming of the capital, his supporters were just physically attacking the press. king the pres s.that was brazil. in poland, it was the law and justice party there, and

headlines look remarkably familiar. poland targets tv channel, limits press freedom. poland's ruling party rams through media law. new freedom house report, how polish government set out to conquer a free press. in hungary, it is the authoritarian viktor orban who of course is a fan favorite of american conservatives and republican conservatives. viktor orban had headlines in hungary that looked like this, inside or bonds crackdown on hungary's free press, hungary dismantles media freedom and pluralism. reporters without borders lists viktor orban as press freedom predator. this is how they do it. they do it everywhere. it speaks different languages. it has a different accents. but it's all the same. in his 2016 campaign and in his one term in office here, former republican president donald trump, of course, made a whole sport out of that, right? denouncing the american free press as the enemy of the people and all that.

now that he is running for president, again, though, he is getting more specific, saying he's going to have msnbc investigated for treason. okay, treason -- this weekend, trump advisor stephen miller suggested that criminal charges should be brought against the media watchdog group, media matters, after media matters pointed out that on twitter, that social media platform now owned by elon musk, major mainstream companies were having their ads appear lie right alongside pro nazi, pro hitler antisemitic material, and the things that flood this social media platform. now that mr. musk has taken over, and now he himself has started promoting some of the antisemitic content on the site. stephen miller says, people should face criminal charges for pointing that out, about what's happening on twitter. and, you know, it is one thing for a presidential candidate's advisor to point out something like that and say, hey, your

critics and the media should be in jail for criticizing you. but it's quite another one of the republican attorney general of the state of missouri that jumps in and volunteers that his office in missouri is now looking into the matter, presumably to see if he can use the powers of his office as state attorney general to help with the jailing enemies part thing. tonight, republican attorney general of texas says he, in fact, has opened an official investigation of media matters, the media watchdog group that is pointing out what advertisers on twitter or having their ads show up alongside. totally on moderated, mostly on moderated media. and why does the attorney general of texas need to invest media matters for having criticized a right-wing billionaire -- because, make argentina great again, or something! put them in jail for seven

years in a russian penal colony for the price tag protest. arrest the editors. drive their publications out of the country. this is what they do. this news comes tonight at a time when literal neo-nazis, big swastikas flags, marching in wisconsin this weekend, rallying outside a historic jewish sight in downtown, madison, wisconsin. that was saturday this weekend. and then the very next day, sunday morning, a grenade was found strapped to a poll outside a synagogue in lakewood, new jersey. today, federal charges filed against a utah man who allegedly made multiple death threats to an organization in d.c., advocating for palestinian rights. this comes at a time one of the israel hamas war feels just like an unceasing bloodbath at this point, with hamas still holding israelis hostage for a month and a half now, with the

death toll inside gaza now estimated at over 13,000 people killed, with one and a half million people displaced in gaza from their homes, with nowhere to go. slim to no hope that there will be anywhere to return to at all at anytime. the moral calamity of the ongoing catastrophe in that war has caused such suffering and death, and such grief and outrage around the world. here in the u.s., it has culminated not just with grief and outrage, but with a major spike in hate crimes, committed by americans against other americans, which makes it just an extra auspicious time for the richest man in the world to be using his media outlet to tell the world, effectively, that white people have an enemy in jews. four republican political figures to say that they might like to lock up anyone in the media criticizes him for that. for the leader of the republican party, promising treason investigations for his perceived critics in the media.

and also, that he is going to use the u.s. army against american civilians who protest against him. and also, he's going to build camps in america, in which he's going to lock up millions of people because he wants power again, so he can crush his enemies and root out what he calls the vermont in this country, the people who oppose him, the internal threat. untry, the people who oppose him, the internal threat it is of course never a good time for any of this. but the fact that this is all happening at once right now, it is like the difference between one morning light going off on the dashboard while driving, and all the warning lights going off all at once while driving. when the latter happens, you pull over because obviously this is serious. tonight, we are gonna be talking about a brand-new ruling from a panel of conservative federal appeals court judges, a ruling that effectively would end the voting rights act, the landmark civil rights legislation that was the high water mark for the

legislative achievements of the civil rights movement in 1965, a legislation that ban racial discrimination in voting. this ruling, tonight, from the eighth circuit court of appeals would effectively end the voting rights act in a significant swath of the country. we're gonna be talking about that. that was a surprise ruling today from the eighth circuit. we are also gonna be talking tonight about and under the radar, but potentially, hugely important story, about another right-wing media takeover in our country. we've got details on that with somebody who absolutely has a totally unique and well informed perspective on this. we've also got some bright spot news tonight about people fighting hard for their rights and for good treatment, and them not only winning, but their victory for themselves as now had the knock on effect of helping all sorts of other people who are not part of their fight, but who are in the same predicament that they were in. it is a story about good news happening to people who are fighting hard. and then having ripple effect

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any reasonable chance of electing the legislators of their choice. these were all states where voters and voting rights groups were able to sue to get fair representation for black voters. and they were able to win. they won surprising meaningful consequential victories for black voters, thanks to the voting rights act of 1965. the case has appeared to open a path toward undoing racially discriminatory congressional maps of the past. state by state, one by one. until now, until today. today, a panel of three federal judges, all appointed by republicans, issued a decision in a case that was brought by the arkansas chapter of the naacp. it challenges the fairness of congressional maps. and these judges in that eighth circuit court of appeals, they ruled that private citizens, private entities, private groups can't bring these cases

anymore. they can't bring the kind of cases that we have seen succeed in alabama, in georgia, in louisiana, and in other states. the judge's ruled that private entities can bring those kinds of cases. actually, the only entity that can bring that kind of a case is the united states attorney general. and if you can't get the u.s. attorney general to bring a case like this on your behalf, then what happens in your state, and what happens to the cases that have been decided already, what happens to other states where voters want to challenge a racially discriminatory gerrymander of the congressional maps? how long before this case gets to the u.s. supreme court and what's gonna happen when it gets there? joining us now is janai nelson. she is president of the naacp legal defense fund. i'm sorry -- i'm introducing her now. she's gonna be with us right after the break. we'll be right back. stay with us. with us

the headline in the new york times tonight's federal court goes to drastically weaken the voting rights act. passed in 1965, the voting rights act was one of the most significant achievements of the civil rights movement, undoing decades of discriminatory jim crow laws and protecting against egregious racial gerrymanders. but the law has been under legal assault almost since its inception. today, a federal appeals court moved to drastically weaken it.

should today's ruling stand, it would remove perhaps the most important facet of the voting rights act. the majority of challenges to discriminatory laws have come from private citizens and civil rights groups. joining us now is janai nelson. she is president of the naacp legal fund. miss nelson, thanks so much for joining us on short notice with this surprise vote tonight. >> happy to be here, rachel. >> so, let me just ask you, i feel like for the last ten years since the supreme court ruling in 2013 that really took a lot of the power of the voting rights act away. we have been talking about this landmark piece of legislation, this sort of moral crucifix piece of american legislation as having been severely weakened. what is important about tonight's ruling, as compared to the other attacks on the voting rights act that we have seen from this conservative court? >> well, tonight's ruling

upends almost 60 years of precedent in which, as you noted, individuals and civil rights groups have enforced sections of the voting rights act, to make sure that our country has a democracy, that it is free from racial discrimination. it is something that we have never fully achieved, but the voting rights act in section two, in particular, has done such muscular work to advance us towards this goal. and this is the first decision to say unequivocally that individuals and civil rights groups, like the legal defense fund, cannot bring lawsuits under this key provision. and the issue that you brought up, shelby county versus holder, which as you noted, ten years ago, it got one of the most transformative voting rights act session five. and in that decision, chief justice roberts is striking down a key part of the voting rights act. he pointed to section two and said, you can still use section two to vindicate your rights. there is still a vehicle to

address racial discrimination in our elections. and yet, a panel of the eighth circuit court of appeals in this country said no, individuals, individual voters, citizens, civil rights groups, good government groups who have brought litigation under section two for decades now can no longer do that. and the only possible vehicle is through the department of justice and the u.s. attorney general. that is woefully inadequate for so many reasons. not only does doj have limited resources and limited time, and limited bandwidth, as we know, not every department of justice is the same. and in the last administration, we saw voting rights groups come to a screeching halt. in fact, the legal defense fund had to step in and effectively be a department of justice during that period of that administration. we can't allow our voting rights to depend on the political whims or imaginations of a particular administration. individual citizens deserve the

right to vindicate the right to vote which is so fundamental to our democracy. >> thinking about the movements on the right, both in and outside of the legal system that have sort of brought us to this place today, it is hard not to, i think, as quite the worse motive to this assault on the voting rights act. i mean, the voting rights act is designed to remove racial discrimination from the voting system. if you are trying to get rid of it, you are trying to get rid of protections against racial discrimination in voting. it's very hard to get away from that simple fundamental truth of it. but when it comes to this particular part of the way the voting rights act works, section two, which as you say, it allows groups like the defense fund, it allows individual groups, other voting rights groups, to bring these cases, to test whether or not voting provisions are racially discriminatory. is there some beef that the right has with that, and in particular, is there some case that they feel like is particularly wrong, or there's

something that they think has been egregiously mishandled in the way that section two has been operative in states across the country, for all the decades that this has been in place? >> you know, what is fascinating, rachel, we have brought suits against democrats and republicans. we are a nonpartisan organization. we enforce section two and all of the provisions of the voting rights act on behalf of voters, to ensure that no matter who the actor is, no matter what party they might be affiliated with, that they don't trample on that fundamental right. so, really, there is no reason to catch this in partisan terms. there is no reason for any party to feel that the voting rights act is not a fair exercise of congressional authority to ensure that the 14th and 15th amendments of our constitution are honored when we talk about this critical right that undercuts our entire democracy. but of course, if you are prone to many collating rules,

manipulating district-ing lines, manipulating elections in every possible way, to win against a majority of the people in this country, then, yes, you might have a beef with a voting rights act. but that is no way to run a democracy. that is no way to ensure that all voices are equally heard. >> janai nelson, president of the naacp legal defense fund, joining us as we are absorbing this smoke from the eighth circuit court of appeals. presumably, it may be heard, all the judges and that circuit. it was certainly find its way to the u.s. supreme court. janai, we would love to talk to you again as this continues to move. thanks for being with us this evening. >> thank you, rachel. all right, we'll be right back. stay with us. ith us from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this...

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ward. it's called the mexican order of the aspects eagle. it is the highest honor of the mexican government can give to any non-mexican citizen. they gave it, they awarded it for services to mexico or to mankind. since its creation in 1933, recipients of the order of the aspects eagle have included queen elizabeth ii, nelson mandela, walt disney, bill gates, gabriel garcia marquez, to name a few. in 2018, added to that illustrious list was jared -- yes, that jared, jared kushner, son-in-law of then president donald trump. mexico's president presenting

jarrett here with the order of the aztec eagle, again, the highest honor of the mexican government can bestow upon any foreigner. why did jared get that? as you might imagine, the ward set of some criticisms in mexico when donald trump was not the most popular guy in the u.s. presidency. but jarred had friends in mexico, in particular, the president of a very, very powerful tv network there called tele-visa. and that mexican tv network president reportedly help facilitate this very big, very prestigious fancy government award for jared. a few months later, that same tv executive that hosted jared, and then you mexican president, for dinner at his home. it is good to have friends in high places. last year, that's a mexican tv network televisa, run by jared's friend, merged with the american spanish language broadcaster univision. televisa and univision, they are now one big company. and that is apparently how

jerry kushner managed to help get a big our long super interview for his father in law earlier this month on univision. both jared and his friend, the tv executive from mexico, reportedly in the room at trump 's mar-a-lago resort resort while the interview was being taped. it wasn't conducted not by the univision reporter based in the u.s. but by a televisa reporter who was flown in from mexico especially for the interview. the interview was 100% softball questions, no pushback whatsoever from the interviewer, and whatever you think about that, as a style of interview, noticeable departure from univision which is generally critical of donald trump. at least it was before now. that network seems to be doing something quite different now. for example, during the interview, the network also, at the last minute, canceled a bunch of biden campaign ads that have been scheduled to run during the broadcast of that trump interview. it was the washington post that first reported last week that this strange softball trump

interview might have been prompted by new jared kushner executives now running univision. since then, the story has snowballed. one top anchor at univision suddenly quit the network if you days after the interview where though he did not specify why. and more than 17 groups, including some of the biggest latino advocacy organizations in the country, have helped deliver a letter to univision describing the trump interview as a betrayal of trust. prominent actor and comedian has called on latino artists and activists to boycott univision. the congressional hispanic hawkins has reportedly drafted a letter, asking univision ceo to meet with members of congress, to talk about disinformation targeting the latino community, among other things. but it's not just the trump interview that is causing this, i should add. if a big right word pro trump shift has been organized at america's largest spanish language broadcaster, that could have huge implications for the 2024 election.

i mean, univision is that seventh biggest network audience and all of tv. it is the most watched spanish language in the united states. a day before the trump interview aired, univision miami affiliate reportedly preempted its normal programming for a three-hour special leading up to a trump rally in florida. it was just a regular trump rally. there is trump rallies all the time. but they gave it a three-hour special, including live coverage. they treated it like it was the moon landing. we spoke to three former univision executives today who say they are hearing concerns from current employees that the instruction to blowout regular local programming for breathless hours long live trump rally coverage as a decision that likely came from the top. it was likely directed by network executives. we also heard from five sources today, two of them, current univision employees, that editorial control at local univision stations has recently been brought under the

direction of the overall network, which means local stations are no longer have ultimate control over their coverage decisions. now, there is nothing inherently wrong with that, different networks operate in different ways when it comes to affiliates. but this is a change. and if univision executives, like jarred's guy, decide to use that change to push for obsequious lee pro trump wall-to-wall coverage for the next year, including, say, at swing states with their affiliates, well, that would be a five alarm fire for the biden campaign for obvious reasons. but it would also be one for spanish language journalism in this country. joining us now, i'm honored to say, a journalist who spent 22 years at gun efficient, including being president from 1998. he tells the post that he's worried that the network moved away. and he called that trump interview that recently aired on univision, an embarrassment. i'm really glad you are able to join us tonight. thank you so much for being here tonight. >> thank you, rachel.

my pleasure. >> let me just first ask if anything that i said seemed wrong to you, or if you think i am misunderstanding anything important about this story? >> no, i think you are right on point. >> okay -- what do you make of the crescendo of blow back, criticism that univision is getting especially from various parts of the latino community in the united states in the weight of these apparent changes? >> well, it is a drastic change for what has been the standard of univision and when i created the univision network news, it was built on the principles of american broadcasting journalism. and it is abc, cbs, nbc all the time. so we were trying to basically create a spanish, but american, network. and i say that because there is

a big difference from our association in those days with the news that is coming from mexico. univision has kept that standard for 40 years. it is recognized in the hispanic community as excellent journalism. and this basically deviates in a very drastic way from what has been. and it means an awful lot for hispanics in this country. >> when you talk to the washington post about this, you said something else along these lines. you said, when you saw the trump interview, you saw that it's the kind of thing you might expect from mexican tv news, from what televisa is known as doing in mexico as opposed to that type of standard that you are describing for univision, for

the idea behind the creation of univision news department. can you elaborate on that a little bit in terms of the different types of standards that you see, and why you felt the trump interview was more like that private standard than the standard that you see in mexico today and rather than the united states? >> i think first of all, to call trump and interview, it's mistaken. it wasn't an interview. we understand that it was basically a one hour propaganda, an open space for former president trump to say whatever he wanted to say. and more dangerous than that even, rachel, you referred to it in your introduction, and it has to do with the coverage of the local station for three hours, and the banners that were running on air. there were many, many banners.

but one of them referred to how trump's statement that we have become a septic tank for immigration. he is obviously referring to hispanic immigration. he was not talking about norwegians or swedish coming to america. and this was being run on air, in regular programming on the miami univision station. it's a really an insult to the hispanics of this country. >> we have also heard from multiple sources at that network has taken editorial control from local affiliates in univision, so it may have not been in the miami affiliates choice to run those banners, the other banners they ran including things like biden's public enemy number one. they ran that as a banner. if that network has taken over for editorial control from

local affiliates, does that change from previous practices? >> yes, it is. and from those who understand the business, there is no doubt that doing what they did had to be a corporate decision. that is not a decision that the local news director or the local general manager would have taken on their own. >> former univision president joaquin blaya, mr. blaya, i would every shake you making time to be here tonight. this is a fascinating and really, really important story. we hope you come back to talk to us as we stay on it. thank you, sir. >> thank you. we'll be right back. > we'll be right back.

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strike, the united auto workers announced today that their members have voted to ratify the new contracts that they were able to negotiate with ford, gm, and stellantis. one of the interesting effects of his strike, though, is out the other auto companies, not union auto companies, also giving their workers a raise because of the uaw strike. it is almost certainly just about this waiting their own workers from also walking to join the uaw, given what the uaw was able to get for their members and other automakers. but whatever the motivation raises, to what i was the first non-union autoworker to announce a wage increase for the workers in the u.s. after uaw got their deal. but now, all these non-union automakers are saying the same thing. honda, hyundai, nissan, subaru,

they're all saying they're gonna raise wages for their workers. again, they're trying to keep their workers from joining the union by showing that they can get a weight raise without being in the union. last week, uaw president shawn fain told the senate community, the uaw bump. he said in this case, the initial stand for uaw is, you are welcome. in the past few months, labor unions across a whole bunch of different industries have been showing the power of organizing in the workplace. and that is true right here on msnbc. last week, after more than two years of negotiations, the msnbc union members of the wider scope of america east, which is a tentative agreement with management on a first contract. now, the union membership is going to vote on whether to accept the deal. but having a tentative agreement feels like -- it reads like a breath of fresh air for everybody in this space. watch this space along with all of us. all right, one last thing before we go, i recently