congratulations on the book. >> thank you so much. >> final thought this morning, you had a lot to say today. >> my final thought is that going back to "the new york times" lead about donald trump running as an authoritarian and reverend al not hiding it at all. >> not at all. and the fact that people need to understand we're not talking about one old man against another old man, we're talking about democracy itself. and how they have upended women's rights, civil rights, the voting rights, that's what's on the ballot and that's what people need to think about. >> freedom, freedom is on the ballot. freedom to vote. freedom for women to make choices about -- >> everything. >> -- their healthcare, their life, their body, everything. >> that does it for us this morning. we will see you tomorrow. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. hello i'm ana cabrera

reporting from new york. we begin with breaking news this morning, a tentative hostage deal reached pending israeli government approval. now, the israeli prime minister's office just announcing the war cabinet will convene at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. so one hour from now. this after a hamas leader said the group is, quote, close to a truce agreement with israel and multiple news reports are outlining the possible framework of a deal that would include a temporary cease-fire and the release of at least 50 hostages held by hamas in exchange for palestinian women and children in israel. let's get right to nbc's keir simmons in tel aviv, israel. and gabe gutierrez is with us from the white house. what do we know about the details of this plan? >> reporter: well, we know that prime minister netanyahu has said that he hopes that there will be good news soon, that there is going to be a series of israeli government meetings

coming up in the coming hours that will finish with a meeting of the government at 8:00 here. now 5:00. that's three hours away, in which there will be a vote. that meeting has been openly described as one that will discuss the developments around the hostage negotiations. so, it is looking very, very promising. i know gabe has some more reporting, but i will just say that multiple reports here in israel, sourcing both the israelis and hamas, are talking about a deal that looks at around 50 hostages released in waves over a number of days, maybe four or five days, they would also likely be humanitarian aid as part of the deal. that might well include fuel. there has been conversations about whether that would also include no longer having drones

fly over southern gaza for a period of time. so, all of these details i suspect will emerge when what we think may happen assuming this all happens and it is not done until it is done, people are saying that, many officials are saying that, when we think this happens, there will be an announcement by the qataris who have mediated the talks and we'll hear more about exactly what deal they have managed to reach in what has been tense and fragile talks over days, if not weeks. >> gabe, you've been talking to u.s. officials, what are you learning about this potential deal? >> reporter: u.s. officials have been stressing for days now that any potential deal is not a deal until it is all done. and we heard that from spokesman for the national security council yesterday, but i can tell you just this morning, a potential hostage deal as you've been describing has been taking shape and we're hearing that from a senior u.s. official. also from an official familiar with the talks in the region.

and these are the outlines of this deal. again, as keir mentioned, subject to israeli approval, with the israeli government convening its war cabinet followed by convening the full cabinet. this, the sources say, that as it stands now, the tentative deal would include around 50 women and children hostages being exchanged for around 150 israeli held palestinian prisoners in a first phase. those numbers are subject to change. but if -- the sources also say there would also be a potential pause in the fighting for around four or five days. and if the temporary cease-fire does hold, and everyone abides by it, there could be the potential for more hostage releases in the coming days. now, we're also learning more details from the sources that from one of the sources, the one familiar with the talks in the region that it would be israel

that would choose which palestinian prisoners it would release pending a security check. a source also said that the deal would include a suspension of overhead drone flights so that hamas could consolidate its hostages. of course, as we know, u.s. officials have said now for weeks that they believe that there are some hostages that are not being held by hamas and potentially held by other groups including the palestinian islamic jihad. over the course of this, and if there was a pause in fighting, the expectation would be that hamas would consolidate those hostages. sources also described that there would be more humanitarian aid going into the region, that would include as many as 300 to 400 trucks of humanitarian aid per day. this is something that has been a point of contention for quite some time. the necessity, according to

palestinian officials, that more fuel was needed in the gaza strip in order to be provided to the hospitals and more humanitarian aid. so it is part of this potential deal, the expectation would be that more fuel would flow into the gaza strip. but, again, that breaking news that we are learning that the potential of a deal that would include around 50 hamas hostages exchanged for around 150 palestinian prisoners, but u.s. officials once again do stress that this deal could fall apart at any time and it still needs to be approved by the israeli government. >> we're looking at live pictures right now in gaza, clearly no cease-fire yet as we see that black smoke rising, we had heard sirens also in the background of some of the cameras that we have access to. gabe, this 11:00 a.m. war cabinet meeting will be something we're watching

closely. we understand israel's full cabinet meets at 1:00 p.m. eastern. the next few hours could bring huge developments. what do we know about the white house's role in these talks? >> well, certainly, the white house has been involved in these talks with -- including with qatar over the last few weeks. and, you know, national security council spokesman john kirby said yesterday this has been a very -- an hour by hour involvement from the white house trying to secure the release of these hostages as the pressure really has mounted around the world for more information. but the white house has been very involved in this, yesterday president biden was asked whether he believed that a hostage deal was near and he said i believe so. and he held up his fingers and crossed his fingers hoping that this could happen at any time. we also understand from a former official, former administration official that, you know, there

was some potential that this deal could have been announced several days ago. but that did not come to fruition. it speaks to how cautious u.s. officials have been about describing any part of this deal and really getting into details because it is so tenuous and, again, we're awaiting now the approval of the israeli government to see if, in fact, this deal does come to fruition, ana. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you. stay close. our thanks to keir simmons as well. we're joined by barry mccaffrey and a former spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the united nations. what is your reaction to the news that the tentative deal has been reached? >> well, it certainly is good news and it came sooner than i expected to be honest with you. hostages when taken in general whether it is by state actor or nonstate actor, but particularly those taken by nonstate actors and terrorist groups like hamas, sometimes those hostages can remain hostages for years and it

can be a very, very harrowing and difficult and challenging situation for their families, for themselves. and this, in the grand scheme of things, came rather quickly. not soon enough, never soon enough, but it is good news overall and i wonder if i might hope at least is that with the hostages, with a chunk of hostages that will be exchanged, and released, it may give some room for the u.s. government to urge additional restraint on the part of israel, not a cease-fire, not a full cease-fire, this is a war that is not only about defeating hamas, but also a war of deterrence, but possibly a war that could be taken more patiently, in a more targeted fashion when you see that you have gotten something in exchange for it. overall, good news and hopefully more to come. >> help us understand what may be happening behind the scenes.

when we say a tentative deal has been reached pending israeli government approval, if israel's government hasn't approved this, how has there been a deal reached? >> well, i can tell you if the u.s. government is going out there, all the way up to president biden saying a deal is close and you're seeing that by -- from qatar as well and i believe i saw hamas official saying the same thing, though i never believe anything hamas officials say, i will say when you have the u.s. government itself going so far as to say the deal is closed, that is something that i would take ver seriously. i was inside government with a number of different hostage releases and it takes a lot for them to feel comfortable enough to say something publicly. it means they feel it is very close. even if it hasn't been -- if the deal hasn't been 100% approved, and as they say they try to caveat it clearly trying to say anything could happen, there

seems to be some kind of tentative approval or nod they received indicating that israeli government would be fine with these terms and hamas is, that's a message that the u.s. is getting through qatar, not directly from hamas. so they clearly feel it is close enough where they can share this information. >> general, we keep showing the images of what is happening in gaza now, the smoke rising, more strikes happening. what do you make of the timing here of the potential deal? >> it is fairly good news. no question. some of these hostages, 240 they're alleged to have in their custody right now are infants, tiny infants, elderly, people who have been tortured, abused, so if a substantial number can be brought out, it is not just good news for the families, and israel, but a positive signal, we need to remind ourselves, however, the only reason we're at this point is the idf went in

and with surprisingly few casualties has now dominated the surface areas of most of the urban buildup in gaza city. hamas has gone underground, they suffered devastating losses, the population has largely left the combat zone, which is good to get to south gaza, where humanitarian relief will be more readily likely to support them, now the problem with all this is once you have a temporary humanitarian pause, you're releasing hostages in waves, it is going to be intense political pressure on israeli government and the idf to not resume combat operations. hamas will never, for as long as they can, release the final hostages. some of whom, by the way, would tell stories of abuse that would be devastating to public

relations. so, this is a conflict situation, hamas is still active, still alive, still underground, still firing missiles at israel, and they will try and not comply with whatever they agree to in the -- >> yeah, you mentioned the casualties and i don't think we can say with any sense of certainty they had relatively few casualties since israel went into the gaza area by all accounts. reports are thousands of civilians that have died and we don't have clear numbers because of our lack of access to gaza to have independent verification there, but, general there are critics who said a cease-fire would help hamas dig in and regroup. is there a way to prevent that if you were to have a cease-fire? >> well, these are all political decisions at the end of the day. by the way, you're right. the civilian losses have been undoubtedly extraordinary. even though i think the idf made

every attempt to primarily target hamas fighters. but, you know, going forward, every day hamas can stop the air campaign, can stop the drone flights. allows them to regroup, rearm, sort out the shattered command and control right now. they must be in real chaos. so there is a cost to the truce. it is likely it seems to me that we're going to see a protracted period of lowered expectations on the part of the israeli government that they'll be able to destroy hamas. my question is what happens the day after the fighting stops. will there be some pan arab group that comes in to administer gaza. the two-state solution won't happen for ten years after the slaughter of 1200 israelis.

so, who is out there prepared to step in and act? the idf will never leave gaza as long as there are fundamental securities at stake. we had hamas people up in lebanon saying we intend to deliver multiple 7 october attacks. so tricky situation. in general, get some hostages back, lower the tensions, a good thing. >> hagar, john kirby was asked yesterday about president biden's op-ed in which he called for the palestinian authority to govern the people of gaza when this is over. take a listen. >> what he's referring to there is a palestinian authority that has the credibility, the legitimacy, the authority, has the support of all palestinians. so that they can effectively help with post conflict governance, particularly in gaza. but what it actually looks like is really -- and should be up to

palestinians. >> hagar, is the palestinian authority capable of meeting this challenge? >> it depends how strong their leader feels like being. he's notoriously weak. he's notoriously corrupt. he is generally even when he knows the right thing to say or do he sometimes ends up muddying his own talking points or statements because he's afraid of his own people to be perfectly honest with you. at the beginning of this, when after the october 7th terrorist attack, he came out and said that hamas doesn't represent the policies and people of the -- the palestinian people and only the plo does and the next day he deleted that first sentence because of the criticism he got back home. the fact is that he is -- while he is extremely weak and corrupt, he is also a little bit at the moment the only chance for a governing body that has been set up that has -- that

does represent the palestinian people. it is the only chance for something that is not hamas to take charge of gaza. so to be honest with you, as weak as he is, and he is really i think seeing his last few years, i also think he's the only opportunity and he's trying to indicate publicly that because he's taken these weak stances where he's not too strong and not too loud, it is because he's trying to send a message to the israelis and the u.s., i'm here to negotiate, i'm a party that could do this, he has already offered and raised his hand up and said he would take control of gaza, bibi netanyahu said in response to that at the time there would need to be a different authority and to be honest with you i think bibi is on his way out i don't know if that's a credible call. i think abbas is the only opportunity now and that it is credible, but it would need to be backed -- he would need to show some strength. there are a lot of palestinians that don't agree with him.

and i think it takes real courage in this corner of the world to make peace and much more courage than to make war. >> hagar chemali and barry mccaffrey, thank you so much. we'll have more of the breaking news, this tentative deal that we're reporting that was reached for the hostages to be released, some of them, pending approval from israel. we're live from tel aviv when we come back. om israel. we're live from tel aviv when we co bmeack. have heart failure with unresolved symptoms?

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officials, what did you learn? >> well, this official spokesperson for the israeli government said he had nothing specific to announce as yet. pointing to the israeli cabinet meeting as well as the convening of the full israeli government expected in the coming hours. but he did say that if palestinian prisoners are released in exchange for the hostages, that there would be a 24-hour period for any of the israeli victims of those prisoners to come forward to the israeli court to challenge the deal. he also pointed to the fact that many of these hostages have likely absolutely traumatized, especially the children, saying that they fear that many of the children may have been held in these tunnels for 46 days, they're worried that many of the children will not have seen sunlight. now, earlier today, i was

messaging with the father of one of the hostages, 9-year-old emily hand. emily was initially thought to be dead, that is what her father was told in the wake of the october 7th attack. he said that that morning when hamas stormed the kibbutz, he was separated from her because she was at a friend's house sleeping, days later he was told that she was dead and then weeks later told that they thought she might be alive, that she was seen going into gaza as a hostage. but he's had no proof of life. he has heard nothing since. and this morning he says that things are looking good, but he is waiting for this cabinet meeting, expected in the next coming hours. that is just one glimpse of what these families are going through right now as they're waiting for any word of this tentative deal, if, in fact, it is approved by the full israeli government. >> erin cohen if this deal goes through, what would be the logistical challenges of

performing a hostage exchange between israel and hamas? >> you know, it is pretty straightforward. a time and location is agreed upon. security forces from both sides, hamas, from the idf, several elements of their special operations and close protections units will be there. there will be a lot of medical personnel, doctors, they'll pick a neutral place, somewhere on the border or somewhere within gaza that is already probably locally been sterilized if i had to guess. so jabalia, gaza city. israel's taken down about 90% of hamas at this point. so, all the chatter right now about this cease-fire and about this hostage release, you know, i got to tell you, 20 years in this business, you got to remember there is always an angle here and i want to make this very clear. i was listening to the last guest, you got to ask yourself

what is the cease-fire provide besides releasing hostages, which has always been israel's goal. i think the bigger macro or -- the micro operational goal of the cease-fire in my opinion, i believe that this is something that israel wanted to wait as long as they could to be able to decapitate hamas. remember, there was no intelligence on the tunnels a couple of weeks ago. now they got them mapped out, almost every one of them, people inside the tunnels now. i believe this is part of a larger macro operation that israel laid out in conjunction with biden who has been very supportive of israel, looking at the larger counterterrorism picture here. and the fact is that this cease-fire will happen, it has happened, on israel's terms. and that has been israel's goal. the reason why is because their intent has been dismantling hamas, which is 90% done at this point. >> we don't have that 90% number

confirmed or verified. israel hasn't come out and used any kind of percentile when it comes to its operations and the amount of military capabilities destroyed. i want to be careful with throwing those types of numbers around. i want to know that answer -- >> in my operational experience, this is not a verified number. this number is not put out by the idf. this is based on my assessment. >> okay. got it. so, joel, back to the hostage discussion and potential deal that could be imminent what is the white house's role to ensure that some of those hostages who will be freed would be americans? >> this is the primary goal of the president, clearly to get the americans out, over ten americans based upon the best numbers that can be verified. and that means that the president and the white house, the administration, they have been working very closely with allies and it bears repeating

that qatar has been invaluable at this moment and negotiating, working closely with israelis who sent their top intelligence official to doha and engaging hamas as well directly. i think we're likely to see some americans. this is just based on conjecture. the president has been clear that americans need to be released and there are also 37 kids that hamas kidnapped on october 7th. getting the kids out has to be the top priority. big picture, this idea that hostage release can somehow allow hamas to regroup, i think that's something that the israelis themselves are watching very closely. there has been to be a mechanism, but not allowing hamas to run amok and have nobody watch where they're running and how they're regrouping, that's critical and that's why we're seeing the delays we have seen.

every person is a universe in judaism and to get these people people out is a primary objective of this war and would be a major deliverable for israel and president biden. >> were you surprised by president biden speaking publicly multiple times that a deal was close? we usually see these discussions playtirely behind closed doors. >> the president is main of empathy. he's the kind of person who has publicly grieved with victims of gun violence, and in a very public manner. this is who he is. this is his heart. he wants to make sure he's communicating the diplomacy that has to take place, but also wants to give hope to families and hope to the people who care about the situation of kidnapped human beings and by showing publicly that he's optimistic while he may not be able to predict exactly when the deal

will get done, he's giving hope and that kind of moral courage and leadership is crucial and i applaud him for being that way. >> half an hour is when israeli war cabinet meeting is supposed to happen followed by a full cabinet meeting around 1:00 eastern. we'll stay on this story. joel, aaron, thank you. up next on "ana cabrera reports," why the fulton county d.a. is looking to have the bond of one of donald trump's co-defendants revoked. plus, could the former president's gag order in his federal election case be narrowed? we'll talk to someone who was in the courtroom yesterday as that panel of judges asked the tough questions. panel of judges asked the tough questions. (ella) fashion moves fast. (jen) so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (jen) that's enterprise intelligence. (vo) it's your vision, it's your verizon. the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch.

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harrison floyd, over alleged witness intimidation. floyd served as head of black voices for trump and was the only co-defendant to be behind bars for an extended period of time following his surrender. nbc's blayne alexander joins you outside the courthouse in georgia and also with us, glen kirschner. talk about the allegations at the center of this bid to revoke floyd's bond and how his legal team is responding. >> the d.a. says floyd has repeatedly violates the terms of his bond agreement. through a series of posts on social media and through a series of podcast appearances he has done what she says in her words amounts to a pattern of intimidation. she called out several instances, she said on social media he mentioned the secretary of state brad raffensperger, and another official in his office, but also ruby freeman, the election worker that faced lots of harassment after being targeted for her role counting

votes, falsely targeted. and she is saying basically that because he was tweeting at her, that amounts to witness intimidation. also worth pointing out the charges he's facing stems with his interactions with ruby freeman. his attorneys say that all of this is just retaliation for them denying a plea agreement from the d.a.'s office -- or a plea offer from the d.a.'s office. >> how damaging will those attempts have to be for bond to be revoked? >> you know, they generally have to be explicit threats or sort of clear violations of the conditions set when he was released on bond. i reviewed the 20 page revocation motion filed by d.a. willis. she documents a full 15 instances complete with

reproductions of his poll cast appearances, his posts, and i have to say, having litigated lots of revocation motions, it couldn't be more clear that he violated the conditions of his release. he clearly threatened some of the witnesses. as but one example and i will not quote the profane part, he posted that two of the known witnesses, brad raffensperger and chief operating officer gabriel sterling are pieces of s and people, quote, should be mad at them. he says directly, brad raffensperger, quote, is about to go through some things. those are threats by any interpretation of those posts. >> yeah, that sounds look a threat to me. for sure. blayne, we don't have a trial date, right, for this georgia case? any update there? >> reporter: nothing has been set, but the d.a. has proposed a trial date of august 5th, 2024.

that's something we're talking about late next year. trump's attorney pushed back and said he doesn't agree with that trial date and asking for a hearing. speaking last week, d.a. fani willis made it clear she expects this trial to last for months. it will not be wrapped up before the end of 2024, possibly the beginning of 2025. when you take that timeline and lay it on top of the political calendar that we're all very closely watching, that means if she gets that proposed trial date, that means we're going to see this trial stretching through the back part of election season, election day and possibly into inauguration day of 2025. >> blayne, thank you very much. glen, let's talk about the d.c. election interference case. you were in the courtroom yesterday for that hearing over trump's gag order. here is a tte of just how contentious it got yesterday. >> if it's interpreted as we think should be

you haven't told us how it should be interpreted different from clear and present. i'm going say this again, the answer is not clear and pre with different labels. so if tre is something less than cle a present danger, how would you articulate it.i' >> the two standards approximate eachernd i'm not aware of any case adopting any >> we don't have a standard if that is not what we adopt, then you have no other argument for us. >> so there we hear trump's lawyer getting grilled over the influence of trump's speech and yet the judges seem skeptical of some of the special counsel arguments as well. what is your read on all this? >> yeah, so this was supposed to be a 40-minute oral argument and spanned two hours and 20 minutes. the judge wanted answers to her hypothetical questions. that's how oral arguments often play out. judges will try to test the

outer boundaries of whatever assertion one party or the other is making. and it was pretty clear that donald trump's lawyer was playing to an audience of one and it wasn't one of the three appellate court judges. it was his client. he wouldn't answer the question. the judges will be left to craft their own, you know, narrow limited gag order, but as you say, they were also quite critical of some of what jack smith's team was advocating for, asking for, for example, if a public figure like bill barr criticizes donald trump, calls him a liar, isn't donald trump entitled to respond or does he have to stand mute under the terms of this gag order? these are challenging issues. the first amendment has a broad sweeping protects and implications, but i do think the judges will probably narrow judge chutkan's gag order somewhat, send it back to the trial court and give her permission to reimpose it. >> okay. it is unchartered territory.

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close and at the same time nothing yet is confirmed. sources telling nbc news that this first stage of the deal likely to involve 50 hostages, mainly women and children. so, if one of your loved ones is one of these children being held in gaza, if it is your wife, your sister, your mother being held, you are hoping and praying that they are going to be on this first trench of hostages to be released. there is no list as yet. there is no confirmation from what we're hearing from the families, no one has yet been told, it is going to be your loved one coming out, so people waiting anxiously for that. the numbers here are brutal. there are 240 hostages. we expect 50 to be released. so that is 190 families who are not going to get their loved ones back in the coming days and those are most likely going to be the families of military aged men, soldiers, and people who

are not women and children. we spoke a little while ago to shelly, her 21-year-old son omar was kidnapped at the music festival. the last time she saw him was in a hamas video, handcuffed, hands behind his back in the back of a pickup truck being taken into gaza. she's not expecting he will be released as part of this deal and she told us that it is agony that she is happy for the families who are going to get their loved ones back hopefully, but it is agony for her and i asked her is she emotionally prepared for the possibility that this process could go on for years and years and years and she just said to me, no, no, no, he has to come home. >> that sounds so difficult to be in her shoes and i can only imagine the anticipation of any kind of deal to come to fruition. raf sanchez, thank you for staying on top of it for us and bringing us that one family's story. as the fighting rages overseas,

the debate over the israel-hamas war is intensifying here at home, particularly on college campuses. cornell university in upstate new york at the center of many of those debates, with protests both in support of israel and the palestinian people. and a student was arrested after allegedly posting amiti threats online. the department of education has now opened a civil rights investigation into the school. and antonia hylton joins us now with a closer look at the divisions at cornell. you went there, you spoke with a couple of different groups of students. what stood out? >> well, ana, the fog and the heart break of war is transforming student life, the feeling on campus, every single day. students are telling me they're struggling to sleep as they think about loved ones in the region. that is students on all sides of this. i sat down with them in the hopes of finding out if there is any possibility of dialogue of finding common ground. and what i've been told by everyone involved is that it is just too early.

take a look. for weeks now, cornell university's campus has been divided, heart break over the war in israel and gaza is transforming campus life. >> we're getting threats on campus. how can you mourn? >> reporter: we asked students from the jewish organization and students for justice in palestine if they wanted to meet together. both groups declined. >> if you have family and friends in the region, it is not intellectual exercise to debate and discuss. >> i know what both sides look like, i don't know if it is possible in this moment. >> reporter: these descendants say they have been horrified by people tearing down the posters of hostages. >> it is like a knife into my chest. i saw that on campus just as i was walking home from class one day. and they were crossed out the name of the people in the picture and a family of four taken by hamas terrorists and it

said free palestine. palestine is not going to be freed by vandalizing hostage posters. >> reporter: this woman says her grandparents were expelled from their homes in 1948 and her relatives now live in rafah city and the 75-year-old jabalia refugee camp. >> my family is still there. and i grew up hearing the stories of, like, what israeli militia did to them, like, the family members they killed and how they got away with it and one of my aunts is -- she witnessed a bomb drop in front of a bus right in front of her and it has been hard to reach out to them with service being cut out so frequently, hard for them to get access to water, food, electricity. >> my cousin is a paratrooper in the israeli defense forces. he's 20 years old. within the first day of the war, 20 of his friends were killed or taken hostage.

>> reporter: how would you describe the climate now what you're seeing, what you're hearing on campus? >> i've noticed a lot more stares, a lot more unease just around me being around. there was an instance where i noticed someone taking a video of me from his car. and he wasn't even really trying to hide it. i wasn't doing anything. i was just walking out of friday prayer. >> it has been immensely challenging to be in this campus when i'm seeing my peers march down the streets where we have to walk to get to class every day, chanting things like from the river to the sea, which we have seen as a call for genocide, war, ethnic cleansing of jewish people. >> our coalition, our individual organizations all came together and condemned anti-semitism because we believe anti-semitism is abhorrent and has a deeply violent history. >> some of the classmates tell me that some of the chants and phrases, like from the river to the sea, to mean the extermination of jews. what do you have to say to them?

>> everyone should live free under one state, one secular state with equal citizenship. that's what it meant. the question i have to ask people then, where is it from the river to the sea palestinians shouldn't be safe? >> i want peace in the middle east too, just as much as anyone else. my problem is with that slogan and specific not whatever message anyone thinks they're sharing with it because hamas has used it. it has been appropriated by a terrorist organization. so you can't say it anymore and think that it means peace. >> what would you say to a palestinian person who said when they hear the word zionist or zionism, they think it means mi and my family need to leave the region, we need to leave our homes. >> the definition of zionism is the determination of the jewish people to their ancestral homeland. saying we have a right to a land and right to exist as a people is not saying we're agreeing with the right wing government

in israel right now. >> reporter: cornell released several statements in response to student fears. increasing security and promising new programs to fight anti-semitism and to bring in experts in jewish history. >> the university is taking a very serious -- we have seen support on a federal and state level, which is really comforting, very nice. >> we see the administration clearly has a bias. >> reporter: cornell's initial statement did not mention islamophobia or palestinian people. they say they condemn all forms of discriminatory bias. what would it thake to slightly open the door to a healthier dialogue or more dialogue here on campus? >> i would really encourage students who are interested in dialogue to reach out to me, to each other. i think it is something really scary and really hard. >> for no one on this campus to use the slogan from the river to

the sea, i think it is just too painful for jewish students to hear. >> until i can be seen as a human, and until my humanity of being a muslim, a palestinian, is seen first then it is hard to have a conversation. >> i already know going in the first question i'm being asked, do i condemn the killing of innocent civilians, that i'm not a terrorist, they can't see past my scarf. >> i was just so struck by this conversation because you can see these students just the level of pain they're all living with day to day on campus right now. and how dehumanized both groups of students feel and, you know, we're not just talking about international politics here. this is dehumanization by their own classmates down the hall, the people who they see every single day when going to class. and without a shared language or understanding of what these terms even mean, it seems like it is going to take a very long

time, you know, maybe for a while it will be impossible for them to sit down and talk about all the hurt that they're experiencing. despite the fact that they live in such close quarters and share the space and this community on campus. >> clearly they both wanted to be heard, but they didn't want to come together to hear each other, you put their voices togeth in your piece and hopefully that creates broader understanding if they watch it. it was really eye opening for all of us to have an understanding of each side and how they're feeling. thank you so much for bringing it to us. up next on "ana cabrera reports," potential tornadoes and hail in the south, wintry storms in the east and heavy rain in the midwest. what you need to know before you hit the road for thanksgiving. u hit the road for thanksgiving. what you need to know before you hit the road for thanksgiving. .

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planes, trains and automobiles. more than 55 million people are traveling this thanksgiving, according to aaa, making it one

of the bus yi thanksgiving holidays in decades. between heavy rain, thunderstorms and snow in the forecast, it might not be easy to get to your destination. michelle grossman joins us with the latest. what areas are you watching closely? >> we have a high-basket snowstorm, we're watching the east coast. the good anything is it's a fast mover. look at all this weather. snow, wintry mix, even some ice. that will cause some problems. heavy rain, the reds, the oranges and yellows, and on the tail end, we had tornadoes yesterday, some high damaging winds. we're watching that once again along the gulf coast. the rest of the afternoon, evening hours, we're looking at the potential for storms, montgomery mobile. we're looking at winds gusting up to 60 miles per hour, could see some hail, but a few tornadoes are likely as well. as we go through the rest of the

day, we see the risk into portions of the carolinas, and also southern virginia. in terms of some airport delays, we're looking good right now. that's the good news, the heavy rain is just starting to move into the mid-atlantic and the northeast. looking good now, but we're anticipaing some delays in terms of air, we're looking at delays along the east coast. especially to the north where we're looking at freezing rain, the chance for wintry weather. that's where you see the blues and pinks, and then tomorrow, notice this goes really quickly. it's out of here by tomorrow. we're looking at lingers snow showers, rain showers, in new england. and then left over with breezy conditions, some chilly conditions, but we're drying out by early tomorrow morning. so, for tomorrow likely delays early in boston. new york city could possibly see

delays for philadelphia, d.c., charlotte, raleigh, but i think it could get better in the afternoons. and then you have to take it slow in portions of new england where you see the brighter colors, because that's the chance for the freezing weather. this rain will dissipate throughout the day. by thursday looking much, much better, and for the macy's day parade, we are looking good. >> i'm glad you ended on that good note. that will do it for us today. i'm off tomorrow, but back on thanksgiving. until then, i'm ana cabrera reporting. thanks for being here. jose diaz-balart joins us right after this. diaz-balart joins u after this

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