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consider the terms of a temporary truce. what could be an imminent deal to release dozens of hostages. a senior u.s. official and source familiar with the talks in the region tell nbc that would include hamas freeing around 50 women and children in change for 150 palestinian prisoners being held by israel. in addition, fighting would be paused for several days to allow for fuel and other aid to get in. president biden sounding optimist, saying it's looking good to bring the hostages home and we expect this deal to dominate at a pentagon press briefing that is scheduled to start any minute now. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with raf sanchez who reports from tel aviv. what more to we know about what this deal entails? whether israel is going to go along with it? do we know which meeting netanyahu is in right now? >> reporter: so, chris, he is still in this meeting with the

full cabinet. it has been going on for an hour. we think it could go on for a while. all these politicians around the able will have their say then at the end, there will a vote on whether to approve this deal. every indication we have is prime minister netya has the votes to approve thisgreement although we have heard from several far right cabinet ministers thahelan to oppose this. iner of the broad outlines of thede, the israeli cabinet members are looking at, here's what we know. it is for 50 hostages. women and children, to be released roughly ten eveay over the course of four days in exchange, there will be days of cease fe and israel will release some 150 palestinian women and children who are being held in israeli prisons. israel also will agree according

to sources filr with the deal, to suspend drone flights overhead gaza for a limited period of time each day. that is so hamas can feel confident that it can get these hostages from the disparate locations they're being held at without israel tracking the movements of their leadership. we also expect that hundreds of trucks carrying humanitarian aid will be allowed from egypt into gaza as part of this deal. now, chris, there are many, many complicating factors here. one of them is that under israeli law, victims of the palestinian prisoners who are slated to be released have a 24 hour period in which they can appeal to the israeli supreme court asking the court to block the release of these prisoners. now, the court has never stepped in in the past to derail a high stakes political diplomatic gauche yass like this but it is just one of the many twists and

turns in between where we are now, which is a tentative deal on the table and this being implemented. >> and we're learning that two doctors from doctors without borders and another doctor were killed following a strike on gaza. what more do you know about that? >> it's part of the increasingly dire situation in hospitals right now. the hamas-run health ministry is saying there are no functioning hospitals at this point. we have watched this domino effect of hospitals going out of service starting with al-shifa, the biggest hospital inside of gaza. losing power, losing electricity. israel saying that it is a major hamas command center and even today amid all this talk of a hostage deal, the israeli military is releasing more footage of what it says is a tunnel underneath al-shifa hospital, but we have seen

doctors, patients, civilians at or around these hospitals being killed over recent days including at the indonesian hospital, a hospital up in the north of the gaza strip that was surrounded by israeli tanks. 12 patients inside the hospital were killed by israeli shelling. the israeli military says militants opened fire on them from inside of the medical facility although they deny shelling it. chris? >> horrible reminder of the dangers for doctors without borders as they continue to do their extraordinary work. raf sanchez, thank you for that. now to the white house and gabe gutierrez is standing by. president biden earlier spoke about this in the last hour, sounded somewhat optimistic tone about the possibility of this initial release. what role if any did the united states play in getting this done? >> as you said, president biden and the biden administration is

hopeful but cautious but for the past several weeks, the biden administration has been working with its partners in the middle east to try and secure this. if you recall several weeks ago during the release of those early hostages, the white house went out of its way to thank qatar for its role in acting as a go between between israel and hamas. the president also making a point that his national security team has been on the ground in the middle east shuffling between capitals over the last several days, trying to make this happen, but they have been very cautious not to publicly confirm the details of any potential deal because of the fear that it could fall apart at any moment. again, we're waiting to hear whether the israeli government signs off on the deal. we just heard from the state department regarding questions

about this tentative deal. take a listen. >> we are very close to an agreement. but we are not there yet. as you have heard us say a number of times over the past course of the past few weeks, nothing is final until everything is final and at this point, everything is not yet final, but we are close. the israeli cabinet is meeting to discuss this matter right now. we are in close conversations with them as we are with the government of qatar, whose been helping to facilitate discussions since the early days of the crisis. we are hopeful to have good news for the hostages and their families. >> again, hopeful to have some good news for the hostage families. they are anxiously awaiting. >> we want to go to the pentagon. the spokesperson is taking

questions. >> determine the point of origin from where the close range ballistic missile is being fired upon or to the base. so they were able to take action because they saw the militants. they were able to keep an eye on the movement of these militants as they moved into their vehicles and that's why they were able to respond. i wouldn't say this is the first time we have responded. again, we don't read out every single time that how a certain system or capability takes down a drone or rocket attack. we have had other cases where we have responded in retaliation when we're able to identify the point of origin. it's not our first time. but it is just something that you know, has been of course publicly reported and so wanted to make sure that all the facts are out there. >> just to follow up one other topic. you said it's not the first time that you've responded but i think you've announced basically

all these other strikes and said it's been a weapons storage facility and if people have been killed. because of the strike, not because they were being targeted specifically. so you're not saying like the specific militants -- do you have any idea who these militants were? >> iranian backed militia members but again, just to differentiate, we have taken three strikes in self-defense but those were preplanned. so a little different here in terms of the nuance of how we're talking about this self-defense strike we took what was it? early morning i think our time eastern time. we were able to identify the point of origin of these attacks because an ac-130 was up in the area and was able to respond. we do of course read out any retaliatory action or self-defense strikes we take. just want to sort of put these into separate buckets as we talk

about them. yes, but again, it wasn't planned. so we were able, there was an ac-130 up in the air that was able to identify the point of origin and respond. >> just separate topic. as these negotiations for hostage release continue, part of what has been negotiated is that there might be a pullback of any surveillance. does this include u.s. surveillance systems? would the u.s. pull back its drones? >> yeah, i think you saw the president speak to this today. that while we are certainly heartened by the way the conversations are going, there's still not a deal reached until there is one. i'm just got going to get ahead of anything we will or won't do when it comes to isr or anything we are doing when it comes to hostage recovery. from the embassy of course but i don't have more details and don't want to get ahead of any deal that might happen. >> whether or not it's a part of it, is that one of the options?

>> i'm just is not going to get into further details on it. >> north korea has confirmed north korea has successfully placed spy satellite into orbit. >> we are aware of the dprk's launch of a space launch vehicle and are consulting with iraq and japan as well as other regional allies and partners. i can confirm we are aware of that, but are still assessing the success of the launch. >> the new spy satellite would potentially enhance north korea's military capability. does that require more u.s. military assets in the region? >> i'm not going to speculate because we don't know if it was successful. again, this is something we continue to work with our partners in the region with rock and japan to continue to assess. we know this is another example of destabilizing action in the region. and we again just reiterate our very firm commitment to the

republic of korea and japan but how it's going to affect the dprk's military capabilities, i just won't be able to comment on that. >> strikes since october 7th. >> you mean since october 17th. yes. as you know, again, trying to parse out the two buckets. i don't have the exact details of all the responses we've done, whether in syria or iraq. for the three strikes that we have announced, those were all in syria. for the one again that took place early this morning, we had an aircraft that was able to identify where the close range ballistic missile was being shot from and therefore we were able to take action. >> i don't have the answer to

that. >> outlining that so far in syria and iraq, there have been 58 attacks on u.s. service members. that does not include what we saw last night. i want to bring in courtney from the pentagon. what more do we know about this air strike in iraq and any other headlines you've heard? >> so the two things that make this strike the u.s. took in iraq different from what we have been seeing is number one, the location. it was in iraq. the previous strikes that the u.s. has been taking in retaliation for the attacks on bases of americans in iraq and syria have all taken place in syria. specifically in northeastern and eastern syria. this was in iraq in response to an attack on al assad air base. it's in western iraq. what's also different is this u.s. strike occurred almost immediately after the attack on the base. another thing that's very

notable here. sabrina confirmed it was a short range ballistic missile that was fired on al assad air base. what seems to be if this is an iranian backed militia group, we believe it's hezbollah, that would be a new capability for them. we know there were several u.s. service members who received minor injuries from the attack and there was minor damage to the infrastructure on the base but as sabrina just laid out, there was an ac-130 gun ship overhead nearby at the time. now, what the u.s. is able to see when there's an attack like this, they're able to very quickly trace back where the attack imnated from. if they had an ac-130 overhead, they'd be able to get to the site quickly, identify the individuals who fired that missile and they conducted a strike on a vehicle with some of these iranian backed militia group members in the group and

several were killed here, chris. >> courtney, thank you so much for that. i know you'll continue to listen to the briefing. get back to us if there's any big news made. still ahead, the major logistical challenges that would come with a hostage handover of this size. we have national security and hostage rescue experts standing by next. we're back in 60 seconds. [deep exhale] [deep exhale] [trumpet music plays] 579 breaths to show 'em your stuff. every breath matters. don't like rsv take your breath away. protect yourself from rsv... ...with abrysvo, pfizer's rsv vaccine. abrysvo is a vaccine for the prevention of lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can be serious if you are 60 or older. having asthma, copd, diabetes, or heart disease puts you at even higher risk. abrysvo is not for everyone and may not protect all who receive the vaccine. don't get abrysvo if you've had a severe

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meeting. full government officials meeting with prime minister netanyahu. how much of these conversations and it's been more than an hour now, how much is logistical? how much is military? how much is political? >> i think a lot of it is political. i think netanyahu wants as much political support as he can get. he'd love for this to be a unanimous vote for the cabinet in favor of this deal, but there are reports of some differences. he's under a great deal of pressure. remember, netanyahu in one sense is responsible for the horrific loss of life and not being prepared. hamas is the most responsible. but when this as time passes, there will be accountable on the israeli side for not being ready for a possible attack for hamas. so i think that's the key dynamic here. are there certain sort of more nationalist parties on the right in israel who are saying no, no pause, no hostage deal. continue this offensive. >> the pressure though from the families has just gotten more

and more. you can obviously understand what they've been going through. they don't see the red cross going in. they don't see movement. just a lot of death and there's a lot. >> it's terrible. i just want to emphasize all of this is hamas' fault. kidnapping is like a cruel and cowardly crime. >> as you well know. >> as i know from many years of the taliban. so it is the kidnappers' fault. many times you'll see this happen where families get frustrated with their governments. american families have been frustrated with the u.s. government. why can't you just make a trade for my loved one and there is a long-term strategic question. are you encouraging more hostage taking if you make this deal? israel has waged war for 45 days. the israeli military has taken control of northern gaza much quicker and without as many house to house battles on the ground as i expected so that's a big achievement for israel.

you have 13,000 palestinians who have died. 5,000 of them are reported to be children. so the other equation here is as you have more anger in the region, more anger on palestinians, does -- free hostages and bring temperatures down in the region. yes, hamas will re-group. that could cost the lives of some israeli soldiers in the future, but this could help bring down temperature, save hostages and i think israel will continue its offensive. it's very determined. it will target hamas. anyway, it's a pivotal moment for netanyahu. >> so, rob, let's make the assumption and it is an assumption at this point that there is some sort of deal. it's certainly indications have been good. talk about the logistical challenges of carrying this out. >> i mean, it's most complicated to the point actually making it happen. we've had exchanges go down

where we have having people get on a plane and it stop and we have to put them back in a prison and it went the next day because something fell at the last minute. so when they talk about the hostage, it wasn't 50 up front. it was five and ten each. so again, going through those things gets very dangerous. you might have groups on either side not wanting it to happen could do something to it. and hamas is worried about the drones following from where the hostages came from which may give away their location that could lead to hostage rescue in the future is what they're afraid of. but yeah, it is the most complicated. you could have two days of it go well and the third day it breaks down and something goes bad. >> you understand why i've heard hostages say in the back until i touch down on u.s. sail in the case of these hostages, they really didn't want to get their hopes up. mark, under this agreement, israel would suspend overhead

flights for up to six hours per day so hamas could consolidate the remaining hostages, but overall, they're talking about some form of a stop in the fighting. what questions do you have? >> so this is really interesting because two things can be true at once. first of all, netanyahu and the government is under intense pressure from the families and israel has always had a social contract. that you know, hostages will always, will never be forgotten. always try to recover their hostages. so it's a deal they felt like they had to make. but we also can look at this kind of clinically and for the idf, the israeli defense forces, this is not a great deal. it's a four or five-day cease fire. it gives them time to re-group. israeli soldiers on the ground may be in danger and the notion of sus suspension of isr flights. perhaps you can off set that a bit by flying in israeli air space. there's a u.s. drone that's

flying hostage recovery missions. so in these instance, there are certainly benefits. there's going to be some families who are reunited and it's incredibly joyous but there's some costs, too. for the israeli establishment, this is a hard one to swallow. there's going to be questions there and that's why you see some controversy there within the netanyahu government. >> we were talking in the last hour, rob, about how this decision gets made, about who gets released and it is going to be apparently women and children. having said that, that raises the possibility of families. there are families, multiple members of single families taken hostage that they could be broken up. some family members could go home. some could not. i wonder about that part of it but also does it make it easier, harder, to continue to release more hostages in the future or is what's happening now unrelated to what might happen going forward?

>> i think a lot of it for hamas is a business deal. i think they plan this out. they purposely took hostages for this exact reason. in order to pause this. i think they expected the israelis to hit them hard and the hostages were going to use pauses and get other negotiations. so they planned this. none of it is easy. the families are going to be drawn so much, especially if they're split. we've never seen this large of a group of hostages be taken and then be dealt with over time where it may split them. so it's kind of unheard of. and it's going to be complex and it's going to have the after effects that go years. >> i want to play some of what happened when israeli politicians and hostage families met yesterday.

>> mark, all around the world, the pressure has built on benjamin netanyahu but he has seemed unwaivering in all of this. how do you separate and that's exactly what david and i were talking about. he says he thinks this is mostly political. does that get separated when you see the kinds of things that happened yesterday? >> i think yesterday what happened was really integral to kind of finally pushing netanyahu to move forward with this deal. of course he's put it to the cabinet for approval but that was a pretty emotional scene. again, israelis feel very, very strongly about recovering their hostages. you know, if you look at the past, they've traded 1,000 palestinian terrorists for one israeli. and so there's been one sided deals before. so the israelis certainly are used to this. one of the big questions is what

happens if this is successful after four or five day cease fire because the international community clearly is on the side of wanting this whole they think to wrap up. if you listen to the israeli defense forces, there's a long way to go. they have to go to southern gaza in prosecuting the war. what happens in five days? do they just start the strikes again? of course, does hamas end up dragging out the hostage negotiations because they know the israelis want to keep going? this is just kind of the first act in what's going on kind of this long process in the hostage issue but again, it's the notion of how does israel continue to prosecute the war when there is four or five days when the international community can all say well, you know, take a deep breath and we have some breathing room now. >> we are still waiting for that vote to see whether or not this deal will be approve. david, mark, thank you all so very much. we want to take a moment to remind you of some of the

harrowing stories of those taken by hamas in the october 7th attack. 3-year-old abigail. she was in her father's arms when a hamas gunman shot him while at home in their kibbutz. this is what her great aunt told my colleague, lester holt. >> abigail has actually crawled out from under her father's body. and full of his blood, went to a neighbor and they took her in. the last thing we learned was that somebody saw the terrorist taking this mother, her three kids, and abigail out of the kibbutz and that's all we know. >> then there is 23-year-old american israeli, hirsch. he was at the super nova music festival the morning of the attack. he fled to a bomb shelter while hamas fighters bombarded the festival. fighters threw the grenade in the shelter and he lost his arm in the last. his parents say he had plans to go to university and to see the

world. then we have 12-year-old ares. he was taken from his bed by hamas on the day of the attack along with his 16-year-old sister and his father. hamas reportedly killed his 80-year-old grandmother. her body was found days after the attack. this was his grandmother on this network on the days after the attack. >> they broke in and the last thing i heard was the youngest who's 12 saying to them, i'm too young, don't take me. and that was it. that's the last time i heard from them. >> he spent his 12th birthday in hamas captivity. we'll be right back. birthday in hamacas ptivity. we'll be right back. n moves fas. (jen) so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (jen) that's enterprise intelligence. (vo) it's your vision, it's your verizon. (vo) you were diagnosed with thyroid eye disease a long time ago.

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we are closely watching what's happening in georgia where we're seeing something that we haven't before. fani willis leading the question as she tried to convince the judge to try to revoke bond for harrison floyd. she had been walking the witness whose fulton county assistant chief investigator michael hill through floyd's social media post, trying to prove floyd violated conditions of his release by communicating with potential witnesses. floyd's attorney began his cross-examination a few minutes ago. his team claims this hearing is retaliation for floyd refusing a plea offer. i want to bring in melissa redmond, former deputy district

attorney in fulton county, georgia, also msnbc legal analyst. also, vaughn hillyard. this sounds like it's really something. >> over the last hour, this hearing has been something else to listen to. there's a big deliberation over how x works in the extent to which harrison floyd was attempting to communicate with other codefendants but also intimidate witnesses like gabriel sterling. brad raffensperger in what the district attorney has laid out in this courtroom is that harrison floyd through x posted over the last few weeks different messages in which he tagged the likes of gabe sterling and the chief investigator from the d.a.'s office is testifying he talked with sterling who said yes, i saw that and took it as a threat. he also tagged jenna ellis after she entered a plea agreement and those videos came out and ellis in a message this morning said

she took it as intimidation and a threat. it was more than just those messages that willis says amounts to intimidation. it's also the responses on x from individuals that should be included. take a listen. >> comes from underneath this post and the comment comes from at full ford leonard. and the statement is bury this b-i-t-c-h under the jail. >> we don't know who that was in reference to. fani willis or ruby freeman, the worker who is at the heart of why he is included because it was him who applied pressure on freeman to make false allegations. there's a lot on the line here for this hearing for harrison floyd. >> i think he posted about her

nine times in a single day. melissa, what do you make of the fact that willis is leading the questioning and what do you make of what you've seen so far? >> i think it indicates that we can expect to see more of this as the case progresses. it's something she takes very seriously and it is interesting in that the pace of the hearing that she's making this personal appearance has to do with one where safety is at issue. the safety of the intimidation of the codefendants, of witnesses in the case and i think that's indicative of the protective orders we've seen and requested motions from the prior case to protect the identity of jurors and that the, being able to conduct this trial in the manner that does not further subject witnesses, any codefendants who are now witnesses to further harassment by the remaining defendants is something that's a priority for the district attorney.

>> what is the judge looking at? what's he considering when deciding whether or not to revoke bail? understanding this is a case unlike almost any other or maybe unlike any other. have you gotten any sense of whether the prosecution is making its case or whether willis is making her case? >> first, you have to look at the conditions of the bond, of the bail and that communicate with codefendants or witnesses. did he not try to intimidate witnesses or codefendants and whether the state has met the burden by preponderance of evidence that shows he violated those conditions. the second part would be what would be the proper remedy. would it be to issue further restrictions on what he can say in these restrictions on his social media or something in between? some additional conditions that would address the concern of the prosecutor if he finds that he has in fact violated the conditions. that these tweets don't amount

to a violation and just bond conditions would continue as faded as in place right now or he could alter them. >> if his decision that this amounts to a violation of the conditions of the bond, melissa, does that send a message to the other codefendants including donald trump? does it serve as a warning? >> it does. this constant argument that we've seen is whether or not when you are a defendant in a criminal case, yes, you do have first amendment rights, freedom of speech, but when you have bond conditions that you have agreed to. all these bonds were consent bonds. if you violate those conditions, then in that case, there are repercussions. there are consequences to violating those conditions. so, a lot of times what we will see is well, when you say don't intimidate or threaten, i didn't

intimidate anyone. now, whether i posted something that led third parties to threaten or intimidate witnesses or codefendants knowing that would likely be the outcome, i think that's what the argument is going to be. that why else are you making these other than to get those reactions from your followers and also knowing those reactions of those followers will threaten and intimidate witnesses and codefendants then i should not be allowed to say that. it's what amounts to threat, intimidation, is what these motions will be continued to be about whenever there's an allegation that the conditions are violated. >> vaughn, we only have a minute left but part of what the legal team for floyd's argument is that it was all unnecessary. the d.a. could have just picked up the phone, said we have a problem here and they all could have worked it out. >> right. that is the argument from his defense attorney here, but at the same time, the district attorney by going to the court is sending a message not only to harrison floyd, but the other 13

defendants who have not entered plea agreements to this point. four individuals have. 15 have not. so the message is in the months ahead, either take a plea agreement or if we find out you violated the terms of the bond, we will come after you and potentially harrison floyd is spending the next nine, ten months in jail before his trial starts. this is a change of livelihood especially for a man who has a family. so this is a clear message she is taking this very seriously and something as simple as a social media post is enough for her to go to the judge to try to revoke the bond. >> thank you so much. what an israeli hostage deal could mean for president biden as he navigates pressures here at home. plus, nbc news sat down with students at a major university that's now being investigated over allegations of antisemitism and islamophobia. how students are navigating divisions over the war. navigat divisions over the war

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for the past month, president biden has been walking a political tight rope, expressing support for israel while advocating for aid to gaza. dismissing calls for a cease fire while pushing for pauses in the fighting. it is a complex situation where one thing is clear. the impact on his political standing. the latest nbc news poll shows a large majority of americans oppose biden'saning of the war and he fairs worse among on

ung voters.l need to win. 70% oppose his handling of the war. now that biden says a hostage deal is very close, could his numbers start to improve? let's bring in michael steel, former chairman of the rnc and an nbc political analyst. if this happens, does it give biden some breathing room? do you think it matters about how he's handled this? >> i think it does matter. sure, he can cut the deal and you can you know, have this moment of detente where people see hostages being released et cetera, but you've got to narrate that for them. you have to help them understand and contextualize what's going on because the greater forces against you have already done that, which is why you're you know, under water with young voters. and why you are treading water with everyone else. and so i think the

administration has to understand as much this white house tries to avoid the politics, you are in the politics. you are the politics. and so you have to give context to folks about what's happening. the motivations behind the administration. the steely leadership of this president to actually get hamas and israel in the space where there is a deal. even though you have other countries playing an important role behind the scenes, it is the u.s. under biden's leadership that is moving this needle. so the narration here becomes very, very important. >> it does. on the other hand when you talk about the politics of it, michael, in another era, in a time of crisis, party politics was largely put aside. a united front would have been a united force cheering the release of hostages. now, this has just become another tool like well where are the rest of the hostages?

what about the americans if some americans are not released. >> we are well past that, where the nation's leaders rally behind particularly in opposition to the president rallied behind that individual and support them in a moment like this. so, we can't look back at that and wish that that is happening now. because it's not. so what you need do is back to the moment. and the moment is politics is the core thread that runs through this. so you've got to acknowledge that, number one. then you have to figure out how you and this sounds weird, do the politics while rising above it. in other words, you're making the political moves you need to make to shore up your base and to bring voters towards your re-election and this being one of the things that they see as a good thing for you while not as we've seen in for example in the

trump era, you know, talking ability these types of arrangements and relationships in very purely political contexts. i'm doing this because it's a political benefit to me. so i think it's a fine walk for sure but we've witnessed in the past it being done successfully. that it can happen here, but now you're doing it in an environment in which the politics is driving the moment. not an aversion to the politics. >> and not in a good way. michael steel, always good to have you on the program. thank you. on college and university campuses across america, islamophobia and antisemitism has been on the rise since the start of the hamas war. antonia hilton spoke to students from the jewish organization and students for justice in palestine. she joins me now with more of her conversation.

what did you hear from these students? it was cornell, right? >> that's right. i spent some time on the campus and what i found is that students are living with immense heartbreak right now. the war has really hit home for them. as they walk to class, attend vigils or protests on campus, it is constantly at the front of their minds and they fear for jewish and muslim students that others don't see them as human and it's made it hard for them. take a look. >> for weeks now, cornell university's campus has been divided. heartbreak over the war in israel and gaza is transforming campus life. >> we're getting threats on campus so it's like how can you mourn. >> we asked students from a jewish administration and students for justice in palestine if they wanted to meet together. both groups declined. >> if you have family and friends in the region, it's not

an int lekkal discussion. >> i don't think it's possible in this moment. >> jewish students like zoe and simone say they've been horrified by people tearing down the posters of hostages. >> every time i see one of them ripped or vandalized, it's like a knife into my chest. i saw one on campus as i was walking home from campus, and they crossed out the name of the four people in the picture and it's a family of four. palestine is not going to be freed by vandalizing hostage posters. >> palestinian students like mala say some classmates have denied her people even exist. she says her grandparents were expelled from their homes in 1948 and her relatives live in rafah city in the refugee camp. >> my family is still there. i grew up hearing the stories of like what israeli militia did to

them. family members being killed and how they got away from it. one of my aunts, she witnessed a bomb, israeli air strike drop on a bus in front of her. it's been hard to reach out to them with service being cut out so frequently. it's hard for them to get access to water, food, electricity. >> my cousin is a paratrooper in the israeli defense forces. he's 20 years old and within the first day of the war, 20 of his friends were killed or taken hostage. >> how would you describe the climate right now? >> i've noticed more stares. more unease around me being around. there was a time i noticed someone taking a video of me from his car. he wasn't even really trying to hide it. i wasn't doing anything. just walking out of friday prayer. >> it's been immensely challenging to be on this campus when i'm seeing my peers march down the streets where we have

to get to class every day chapting things like from the river to the sea, which we've seen as really a call for genocide or ethnic cleansing of jewish people. >> our coalition, individual organizations, all came together and condemned antisemitism because we utterly believe it is abhorrent and has a deeply violent history. >> some of classmates tell me some of the chants to mean the extermination of jews. what do you have to say to them? >> religion, race, ethnicity, should live free under one state, under one section of the state with equal citizenship. that's what it meant. a question i have to ask people then, where is it from the river to the sea palestinians shouldn't be safe? >> i want peace in the middle east, too, just as much as anyone else. my problem with that slogan specific, not whatever message anyone thinks they're sharing with it because hamas has used

it. it's been appropriated by a terrorist organization so you can't say it anymore and think it means peace. >> what would you say to a palestinian person who said that when they hear the word zionist or zionism they think it means me and my family have to leave. >> the definition is the self-determination of the jewish people to their ancestral homeland. saying we have a right to exist as a people is not saying we're agreeing with the right wing government in israel right now. >> cornell has released several statements in response to student fears. increasing security and promising new programs to fight antisemitism and to bring in experts in jewish history. >> we've seen support on a federal and state level. which is really comforting, really nice. >> as people who are on campus, we see the administration clearly has a bias. >> cornell's initial statement did not condemn

all forms of discriminatory bias. >> what would it take to bring the temperature on campus down to just maybe slightly open the door to either healthier dialogue or more here on campus? >> i would really encourage students who are interested in dialogue to reach out to me, to each other. i think it's something that's really scary and really hard. >> for no one on this campus to use the slogan from the river to the sea again. i think it's just too painful for jewish students to hear. >> until i can be seen as a human and until my humanity of being a muslim, a palestinian, is seen first, then it's hard to have a conversation. >> i know going in if that's the question being asked that i condemn the killing of innocent civilians. they can't see past my scarf. >> it was sort of heartbreaking

to spend time with students at cornell and to hear them describe their classmates as not seeing them as fully human or to see that really there's a lack of shared understanding of something as basic as the definition of certain terms or phrases. so long as people retreat into their communities or their cultural context and don't sit down and have a dialogue, it's hard to see how all the pain and hurt on college campuses around country now, it's hard to see where this goes. >> this is so tragic that there can't even be a dialogue. you understand the emotion on both sides but they've been through so much with islamophobia, antisemitism. let's hope they find way to start bridging the chasm. thank you so much. it's such important reporting. that is going to do it for us this hour. join us every weekday. we're here from 1:00 to

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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. there is a lot of building anticipation right now as we watch the wires out of israel. the israeli government could be on the verge of announcing a huge deal to free a large number of hostages. a senior u.s. official