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good morning. it is 11:00 a.m. eastern. 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. back with you for a second hour of this thanksgiving eve. and breaking just moments ago, we're tracking new explosions over gaza, just hours after israel and hamas agreed on a hostage deal that includes a four-day truce. we're going to talk about when that deal actually takes effect and get reaction from a former idf colonel and doctor whose team is on the ground in gaza. at home, a live look at a rainy boston as tens of millions of people hit the roads today to get their thanksgiving destinations. but travel could be slow for some with some heavy winds, rain and snow reported. and new reporting about the presidential candidate who could pose a serious challenge to
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president biden's re-election bid and it is someone other than donald trump. and we begin this hour with breaking news in israel, over the israel hamas war on a deal to release hostages and pause in the fighting in gaza. as explosions continue. and smoke continues over the strip today. the pause would go into effect 16 hours from now, at 10:00 a.m. local time, according to senior hamaseadership. nbc news has not verified that timing. dea includes the release of 50 womennd children kidnapped and held hostage and in exchange israel w release 150 palest wom and young childrend in jails and allow 300 to40 aid trucks into gaza daily. biden ainistration official says three americans areng
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those expected to be leased incluing a 3-year-old girl, abigail. but, earlier on the "today" show, jake sullivan cautioned that we won't know for sure who will be released until they are out of gaza. >> but, again, until we have eyes on the hostages, the american hostages and all of the others, we can't be certain about who exactly will be delivering this deal. >> meanwhile, the u.s. carried out two strikes in iraq on facilities used by members of an iranian-backed group. officials say the strikes were in response to the attacks on u.s. and coalition forces by iran and iranian-backed groups. joining us now is raf sanchez in tel aviv and nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube. can you walk us through what we know as of right now about this deal? >> reporter: so, jose, hamas is saying this deal will go into effect at 10:00 a.m. local time tomorrow.
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that's 3:00 a.m. eastern. if that happens at 10:00 a.m., we're expecting a couple of things to happen. the fighting in gaza to stop. this is supposed to be a four-day cease-fire. so if it holds, which i a big if, that wouldake us into monday morning, local time. and then wexpect to start to see the release these 50 andhildren hostages. we think it is going to be about 10 or 12 released every day. we don't know exactly w is coming out. the families here in israel waiting desperately for news don't know who is coming out. it is absolute agony f them. we a also expecting israel t begin releasing some of these 150 palestinian women and children beid in israeli prisons, israeli government earlier today published a list of 300 possible names for people who would be slated for release. none of them have been convicted of actuay killing is. but many of themave been either sentenced or accused, not
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necessarilyconvicted, of taking part in difre terror attacks. we're expecting to see them released either into the occupied west bank, east jerusalem, possibly into gaza itself. there very likely will be celebrations on the palestinian side. in terms of the hostages, they will be taken to an israeli base for medical screening. israel has prepared hospitals here because they simply don't know, jose, 47 days after these people were taken hostage what medical condition they are in. we think they have likely been in tunnels for all or most of that time. many of them may not have seen sunlight. so, there will be doctors standing by, ready to treat them. and then if these hostages are in suitable condition, israeli intelligence services will want to talk to them to try to learn everything they can about what is happening inside gaza, the other hostages. israel has agreed to suspend drone flights over gaza for
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certain number of hours each day. that is to give hamas confidence that they can move around and get these hostages from the different locations they're being held in without being tracked by israeli forces, but, jose, everything at this hour remains a big if and we will see whether this deal does in fact go into effect tomorrow morning. jose? >> and so, if it does take effect starting tomorrow morning, there are four days of pause, could this pause in hostilities be extended? >> reporter: yes. so there is a mechanism in this deal to extend beyond the four days. and that would be at an exchange rate of 10 additional hostages for every additional day of cease-fire. so, on top of the 50 hostages over four days, you could have another 10 released which would buy a fifth day of cease-fire. an israeli official i spoke to said israel is skeptical, they'll see what happens with this first 50 hostages, but if
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they could get more out, they would be eager to. and while our focus is on the hostages here, this is also going to be a moment of relief, of respite for the 2 million civilians trapped inside of gaza for the 47 days of israeli bombardment since the hamas terrorist attack on october 7th. people there saying they are desperate to just have a few hours when they know that there won't be bombing, where they may be able to move around, try to get food, they're hoping more humanitarian aid is going to come in. but right now they have no guarantee that they're going to be able to go back to their homes in the north of gaza, either during this four-day cease-fire or frankly at any point after that. >> so, courtney, meanwhile, what have you learned about the new strike? american forces continue to be attacked? >> reporter: that's right. there have been several things about this most recent spate of attacks and the u.s. response that are different from that we have been seeing since this
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uptick on october 17th. it all started when one of the iranian-backed militia groups, they launched a close range ballistic missile at a base with americans in western iraq. it hit an empty building, but several service members have reported minor injuries. that's an escalation according to defense officials from what we have been seeing in previous attacks. they have been mainly drones, rockets and mortars. a missile here has people concerned. a gun ship happened to be overhead at the time, it saw where the missile was fired from, it was able to track and target the fighters who launched it, and carried out a strike on them almost immediately after the missile attack, killing several of those militia members. now, that was all on monday and late monday night. yesterday, there was another
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attack, according to a defense official on al assad. this one involved drones. it was not effective. but the u.s. military responding again late last night with two air strikes south of baghdad. what makes this different as well is that they targeted an operations center, a command and control center of this militia group and we know according to defense officials that in fact they do believe some of those militants were present at the time and were killed in those strikes. so finally the other thing that really sets this apart from the previous times that the u.s. responded to these attacks is that it occurred in iraq. the times that the u.s. responded to these attacks in the past have all been in northeast syria, they have mainly targeted facilities. defense officials are very concerned that as now that they have -- now that the militias have introduced a close range ballistic missile, that this could escalate into a larger conflict or they could see a case where an american is injured or even killed here, jose.
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>> and, courtney, if you would, talk to us about the insistence and the consistency of attack against american forces since the 17th of october. >> it has been -- we're talking about nearly 70 attacks since october 17th. and, again, why this is so critical is because we hadn't seen attacks like this for months. frankly since back in march. they really started to trend up, starting on october 17th, and, again, they seem to be getting more and more aggressive with this close range ballistic missile. the u.s. has continued to respond and defense officials tell us that if the attacks on u.s. bases continue, the u.s. military will continue to respond by targeting these groups, jose. >> 70 plus attacks on american forces. raf sanchez and courtney kube, thank you so very much. appreciate it. joining us now is mary eisen, managing director at the national institute for count terrorism.
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christopher o'leary, former director of hostage recovery for the united states government. how do you see this deal being carried out and what does it mean for israel's operations in gaza? >> so, first of all, it is very bittersweet. we all want to see all of the hostages and raf described that. you need to understand in israel, we are less than 10 million people, there are 240 hostages, those families don't know who is coming tomorrow. this is a photo-op, a very cynical one, for hamas. they never have said who is being led out. so in that sense, tomorrow is something that we all want to see, we're waiting to see who is going to come through. when we look at it right now and talk about the ground operation, you mentioned that the beginning that there are still firing different attacks inside the gaza strip. the pause only starts tomorrow. it hasn't started already. one of the reasons that hamas agreed to this exchange and it is an exchange, they were not
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willing to just let out the hostages themselves, one of the reasons they agreed is because they are under pressure. now, to stop that pressure is to enable and strengthen hamas and there is always going to be that tipping point, when you are in this kind of a situation, that you don't want to give hamas the benefit, but if you don't, you're not going to bring back your hostages. so i just want to see tomorrow, which babies, which children, are going to be coming in and those first ten people. >> and, chris, jake sullivan described how carefully choreographied this exchange will have to be over the next couple of days with a number of hostages and prisoners released every day. talk to me about the potential hurdles in doing it this way. >> well, i can't point to an example that's as complicated. you're in gaza, where it is an active war zone, icrc is going to likely be involved in it, the red cross is going to be involved in escort, the hostas out. but hamas is a terrorist
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organization. icrc doesn't norlly get involved in these kind of situations. so, it is kind of new ground that is being, you know, explored i do completely agree with the colonel. this is a photo opportunity for hamas. this is an asymmetric tactic. hostage taking is a tried and true tactic for terrorist organizations, they're doing this to buy time, they're doing this for propaganda. they're not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. and i would be skeptical to think much like israel's putting out that that this will extend past the four-day mark because hamas needs to buy time long past this week. there will be probably after a little pause another release of sick, elderly, wounded people. and then, you know, we'll continue to, you know, move through the process but for the idf soldiers, this could be a long struggle if they're hostages.
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>> colonel, i'm wondering your thoughts, hamas on the 7th of october carries out this horrendous massacre in israel, more than 1200 men, women and children killed, the 3-year-old little girl among so many other people taken from their homes and shipped over to gaza so they do that, they film that, and now they're getting those hostages back to israel and they're getting 150 people and we're talking about women and saying children, many of them are 17 and 18-year-olds who have been involved in other things inside either israel or the west bank. is hamas getting everything they planned for? >> probably the biggest question you could ask is what were they planning for? in this case, i'm going to look at them as a terror hybrid organization.
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they never told us they took women and children. what they have been telling themselves what they have been saying in arabic, what they have been saying to the muslim world, is that they took soldiers, this was a military attack, when we see children coming over tomorrow for the first time that will be them actually acknowledging that they did take them. they're trying to put it in a moral equivalency, which i abhor. it is horrible. what are you saying, what am i saying? women and children, women and children. no, no, no, the women who were arrested in israel, the minors who were arrested in israel, who did attacks and terror attacks and participated and they were arrested and they were put on trial and they were sentenced and they were put in jail in response for the horrific attack of october 7th when people were taken and i just want to add in that there are two children there, that their parents were murdered in front of them, and they were taken and what do you say to these two little kids when they come back, how do you
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start that conversation? this whole aspect of what hamas is doing, they're doing what terror organizations do, it is the reason that hostage taking for them is a modus operandi they like. it is the reason we need to defend ourselves against such a way. it is absolutely horrible. >> so important to clarify issues like this. colonel, back to the -- my question, in a way, in their warped logic, this is part of what they want. >> you put before and in the slide and you said it, it was written that they're going to let out women and children and you wrote in the slide 150 prisoners, and after you wrote the 150 prisoners, you said women and children. for me, i want to say very clearly, the 150 sentenced women and minors who did terror attacks are being led out because we need to bring home the women and children.
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it is very tough to do so. most definitely in the broader sense, let alone in what we're just going to call the popular world, hamas have made an enormous impact in presenting their narrative, and we try and battle it every single day. but it is absolutely challenging every single day. yes, they're doing too well as far as i'm concerned. >> and, i just want to bring up that we just were told that the prime minister of israel, his office is saying that he will be holding a press conference at 9:15 local time. that's 2:15 eastern time today. we will, of course, be monitoring that. chris, i'm wondering, so of these innocent people that are going to be starting to be released from hamas control, back to israel, what kind of information is israel going to be able to learn from them? >> well, there is going to be
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great intelligence that comes out of it. taking into consideration many of these are children, but what will happen first is they will be put into a reintegration process where they will be medically assessed and then psychologically assessed to make sure they're in condition that they can be then debriefed. what will happen then is the conditions of their confine, where they were held, how they were fed, who they were held with, who were the guards, zrigs description of the guards, the uniforms, so we can tie that to a specific unit in hamas, were they moved around, any information that can corroborate existing information that is already held by israel in the international partners, or start a new line of collection where we can start refining where they may be. these negotiations also help us gather information on what is going on with the hostages, and, you know, further the red cross is reportedly going to get some
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access to the remaining hostages, so that maybe we'll give us identification and conditions of the health of the hostages remaining in custody. and i'll just piggyback off what the colonel says, also, this tactic is modus operandi for hamas, palestinian groups have been doing it for years, terrorism unfortunately works for them. one only has to look back to the 1972 massacre in munich and shortly two years after yasser arafat was speaking on the floor of the u.n. general assembly. so, they know that, they know they can buy time, they know this is dynamic, that works in their favor, because global support for israel might wane over time. >> thank you, both, for being wi utoday. i really appreciate . and a programming note. next hour andrea mitchell will talk live to presi biden's top middle east adviser brett
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mcgurk who played a key role as the u.s. worked to help this deal go through between israel and hamas. also coming up for us, reaction from the palestinian side. we'll talk to a former adviser to palestinian president mahmoud abbas, get her take on this deal. and later, another life and death struggle for premature babies in gaza. we'll tell you about the desperate attempts to save them. we're back in 60 seconds. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. s you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc.
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release 50 women andhiren during a four-day pausen fighting. an exchange, israelill release 150 palestinian women and young people held in israeli jails. with us now to talk more about this is deanna budu, former adviser to mahmoud abbas and former lawyer for the palestinian liberation organization. thank you for being with us this morning. what are your thoughts on this hostage deal? >> it is sad it has taken so long to get to this point because this was something that hamas put forward on the first days, rejected by the israeli authorities because they decided instead they wanted to pursue military action rather than actually addressing the underlying cause of all of this. the only reason it is happening now is because there has been so much pressure that has been brought to bear on the israeli government by the families of these israelis. and i think it is important to bear in mind that there are more than 7,000 palesnis who are
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languishin israeli prisons, and many of these people who are going to be released are people who sul't have been held in the first they're people who have never been tried, never been convicted of any crime, many of them are under the age of 14. these are women and children who israel has used for many, many years as bargaining chips. >> you're telling me 150 of the people that are going to be released in exchange have not had any judicial oversight, never been dealt with through the israeli judicial system? >> many of them, indeed. there is a system inside israel called administrative detention and what it is is that a person can be picked up and held without charge, without trial, for as much as six months and their detention renewed every six months indefinitely. many of the people who we have seen on the list and they have been releasing these lists are people who are in these conditions as well.
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i think it is very important for us to recognize that unfortunately the only system that has worked in order to get people to be released is international pressure. there has been no international pressure brought to bear on israel for all the years it maintained this military occupation. >> and the only system that worked is as a consequence of this deal today, and we're talking about the 22nd of november, we're talking 47 days after hamas went in, surprising many, including israeli security, and intelligence, and carrying out a massacre, the largest massacre of jews since the holocaust, 1200 men, women and children killed and 239 or 240 people taken back over to gaza. i'm just wondering, what is it that can in any way justify that? >> what i'm trying to get you to see is not a justification, but
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an analysis. and the analysis is that for palestinians they have lived under this military rule, very violent system. now, for 56 years, now one day, for 56 years. and unfortunately the international community, including and especially the united states has abandoned palestinians. there are rules that exist under international law and unfortunately israel has never abided by them and the u.s. has never forced israel to abide by them. as a result, we see people resort to violence. that is the only way for people to end up getting prisoners released, it is the only way for people to attain their freedom and it is the only way -- that we can see any sort of change. and as you have said, there have been -- there was violence perpetrated against he's rai is massacre after massacre after massacre, before october 7th and after october 7th.
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this is why i think it is so important for us to be pushing forward, for us to be demanding a cease-fire, and for us to address the root cause of why it is that this situation is the way it is, why is it that palestinians are still not free in the year 2023? >> and looking forward, what is the possibility of anything, anything positive happening in the future, two state solution, no two-state solution, the palestinian authority involvement, the palestinian authority not being involved, egypt, saudi arabia, qatar, what do you see as any possibility? >> right now i think the main focus has to be on stopping the bombing campaign. because the bombing is not just a bombing, it is the bombing of -- killing lives, but destroying infrastructure and forcing people to flee. again, that is illegal under international law. from there, i think that's where
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we have to pick up and we have to demand that the world do better. we have spent all of these years with the world just somehow accepting that it is okay for palestinians to live under israeli military rule. and it is not. people want their freedom and they deserve to be free. where it is that the ultimate formulation is up to palestinians to decide. but to continue to live under israel's boot is not -- it is not a recipe for success in the future. it hasn't been a recipe for success in the past and it certainly won't be a recipe for success in the future. >> so, if it lies only with the palestinian people and we have seen the history of that region and bring it back as far back as you wish, what is the possible solution? >> there are a number of them. but the first and foremost it requires that we actually give palestinians their rights rather than have palestinians live under israeli military rule. 75% of the palestinian population was kicked out of
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their homes in 1948 in order to make way for the establishment of israel. this is why palestinians are languishing in refugee camps. it is time for us to recognize what the root cause is and start to address it and from that i think something good can come. but unless we -- if we continue along this path of somehow prioritizing israel, and deprioritizing palestinians, we're never going to get to any positive space. >> also the recognition of israel's existence and the possibility to exist must be in that conversation as well. >> the problem is is that the idea of the existence is that israel has never recognized palestine's right to exist. there has been a demand on the part of the world that palestinians recognize israel's right to exist, and they have, by the way. but there has never been a reciprocal demand on the part of israel to recognize palestine's right to exist. that's why we see so many settlements go up in the west bank. this is why we see repeated bombing campaigns on the gaza
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strip. it is because israel believes it has an exclusive right to the land of my ancestors, and that as a result that it has an exclusive right to kick everybody out who is not jewish. we must end this formula. this is not a formula for future peace. it must be ended and we must address the root causes, the root causes are the fact that palestinians have been kicked out of their homeland for 75 years, thrown into refugee camps and told they just have to deal with it. that's, again, not a recipe for future success. >> i can't thank you enough for being with us. appreciate your time. >> thank you. i appreciate you. coming up, a look at the margaret mcdermott bridge in dallas right now. if you're hitting the roads today for thanksgiving. start getting going. the worst time to leave is hours away. you're watching "jose
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32 past the hour. millions are traveling ahead of thanksgiving and so far there are more than 1300 flight delays and about 50 flight cancellations. on the ground, 49.1 million americans expected to drive for their thanksgiving destinations this week. garrett grumbach joins us from woodbridge, virginia. what is the latest where you have? >> reporter: 49 million people are expected to drive this week alone. most of those 49 million today. and right now behind me off of i-95, you see northbound is looking pretty good. southbound is crawling right now. that's the bad news. the good news is gas prices are actually looking better than they have in some time, since september. there has been a decline and today we're at $3.28 national
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2:15 p.m. eastern time, benjamin netanyahu will hold a press conference. this comes as a deal has been reached on a temporary pause in the fighting in gaza. they will allow for the release of hostages in exchange for palestinian prisoners held by israel. an update on a story we're following closely right now in egypt, doctors are caring for a group of premature babies who were evacuated from gaza and in desperate need of medical attention. erin mclaughlin has more. >> reporter: they call him mazul, arabic for unknown. discovered following an air strike in gaza city. the doctors here fear his family is dead. no one has come forward to claim him, he says. more than a week ago, the world first met him at the besieged al shifa hospital, along with more than 30 other premature babies. rpgs, ak-47s.
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hamas has been condemned for using hospitals for bases for military operations and for using palestinian civilians as human shields, which hamas denies. eventually help arrived, 31 babies evacuated. hyperthermic, dehydrated and starving, yet alive. two didn't survive the transcript trip to egypt. if we die, we all die together, this father says. >> thanks to erin mclaughlin for that report. as the conflict wages on, doctors without borders says this week two physicians were killed in a strike in northern gaza at one of the region's only functioning hospitals. the group condemned the strike and is once again calling for more protection from medical facilities and staff. joining us now is dr. amber alian, the deputy operations manager at doctors without
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borders. thank you so much for being with us this morning. what is your reaction, first to this hostage deal? >> i think any progress that can lead to a cease-fire is welcomed and i think that the priority right now is really being able to get supplies in to help the population and the medical workers who are trying their best to do what they can for the population at risk right now. >> yeah, i mean, we mentioned that doctors, two were killed. and right now some of your colleagues are trapped in northern gaza. what has been your level of contact with them and what are they experiencing? >> there was two doctors killed yesterday and we have over 50 -- 70 staff who were stuck in our offices in our clinic in gaza city. the family members of one of our
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staff, two family members, one was killed, they were all together, lodging altogether, one of those people was killed when the -- our team and their family members tried to leave on saturday, few days ago. and then one was wounded and we just learned today that the one who was wounded has died. we had to bury both bodies in our clinic. so, our clinic has become a grave site, which is horrific for us to reconcile. we have a team working in another hospital, seeing horrific injuries, mass casualties every day, extensive burns, people who are burned over 50% of their body, extensive poly traumas, people who have abdominal wounds, plus injuries, plus leg injuries, plus burns, it is just overwhelming.
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and the only way that we can get a grip on this humanitarian disaster is for food, water and supplies to be let in and for there to be a cease-fire so we can actually get to the population and treat them. >> doctor, tell us about who are doctors without borders, who are those people that are in gaza? >> so, everywhere we work we have a mix. we usually work with local staff, locally hired staff and they comprise 80% to 90% of our teams. we have a foreign national team that works closely with our national teams. and that's who makes up our team in gaza. that's what we have got. right now we have our teams were based all over the gaza strip prior to these current -- this fighting. and now our palestinian staff are trapped. they're all over the place. we have got them in the north.
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we have got them in the south. we have got them in the middle. they just like the rest of the population have very little access to food and water. they have been our heroes because they're still going to hospitals and to clinics, even ones where we never worked to try to help out. and we're trying to get them to safe spaces so that we can -- they can also join our own teams in the south, the rest of our team down in the south. but it is just tragic. it is not just these medics that work for doctors without borders, it is medics all over the gaza strip. >> thank you so much for being with us. i really appreciate your time. >> thanks. >> we'll be right back. >> thanks. >> we'll be right back is this for me? if you like squeaky toys from chewy it is. did i get anything this year? get up to 50% off black friday deals at chewy. i'm still going to eat your socks.
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the coalition to put joe biden in the white house in 2020. but polls show some of them may be moving away from the democratic party. a recent "new york times" poll und that if the election were held today, 28% of black voters are leaning toward independent candidate robert f. kennedy jr. the 2024 presidential election is still more than 11 months away. with us now to talk about this is "washington post," opinion editor and writer alexi nakalan. yo recently wrote about this and you say in something you just wrote about, rfk jr. could be the spoiler candidate for biden among black voters. why? >> yeah. thank you for having me. so, the polling you just showed is one part of this, to be sure. but there are many focused groups that show black voters are particularly disinterested in voting for biden or trump and
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that goes for folks who voted for biden in 2020 and they're feeling not enthusiastic about their options. so they're looking for an alternative. and, you know, the really unique thing with rfk jr. and the black community is that as we all know and have covered, he has said various things, casting doubt on the efficacy of vaccines and whether people should be getting them or not. and there is a deep-rooted and righteous skepticism among many in the black community of their medical professionals and the healthcare system. and so, while we might be able to talk about what rfk jr. is just saying, i wanted to words messages trying to attract? that is something that's resonating with black voters. he also couches the vaccine issue as a civil rights issue. that's not something that you really hear other folks doing. >> you also wrote in your piece that president biden could become the first democratic
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presidential candidate since the civil rights era to get less than 80% of the black vote. what does the president need to do in order to get those voters back in his corner? >> it's really about giving people a read for him. i think for a lot of folks, they have been through this twice already. they feel they have helped the democratic party in different ways by voting for their candidates up and down the ticket in midterms and presidential elections. what is the democratic party doing for me? what are they delivering on that we really care about? black voters have particular interests, of course. the economy is something that matters to a lot of people. the way you talk about the economy matters to who you are speaking to. when biden is talking about bidenomics or jobs, polls have shown folks want to hear more about prices and wage increases and things like that. it's a matter of giving people something to vote for and speaking to them in a way that
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makes sense. that resonates with what they are concerned about. >> turning now to the republican presidential campaign,ur new poll out this week found nikki haley has nearly doubled her support among republican voters since september, from 7% to 13%. does she have a chance of gaining more traction in the polls? >> we have seen a trend with nikki haley where she has been increasing her standing in these polls. she's now beating ron desantis or tied with him for second place in almost every poll we have seen, especially out of the early states. she's really trying to consolidate that never trump vote, especially after senator tim scott jumped out of the race. she's getting many of his donors who are holding fund-raising events for her coming up in the next couple of weeks. i think we can only expect this to continue as she goes for that second place spot. >> thank you so much for being with us. it's great seeing you. appreciate it. >> thanks. up next, they went through
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56 past the hour. before we go today, i want to take a moment to thank farm workers. farm workers across our country who make thanksgiving dinner possible. many of them are migrants who work harvesting the food that we have on our tables. i'm also thinking about migrants who are celebrating their first thanksgiving in the u.s. we spoke to some of them. >> deliveries don't come more special than this.
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some 500 pumpkin and apple pies, not just made in any kitchen but in this new york city school cafeteria, going to feed the less fortunate this thanksgiving week. many of the bakers have never celebrated thanksgiving before or had these types of pie themselves. new for him, this concept of thanksgiving. they are from migrant families from across the globe, who have fled untold horrors and in some cases know what it's like to end up in the shelter system while seeking asylum. like this man who says he and his 7-year-old son escaped being kidnapped and tortured by militants in columbia. what does it mean to help other families in similar situations today during pie day? pie day represents give thanks and to have families in similar situations all united under one roof to do something that means so much to so many people.
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>> i'm a believer or services need to be individualized. >> the group behind it? project russo, a non-profit providing full-scope legal services to nearly 1,000 migrants and their families. >> we always ask that question, is this our fight to fight? this was immediately obvious that this is our fight to fight. >> lately, the work shifted to address the 120,000 migrants that arrived this year alone. >> thanksgiving started as welcoming a stranger to america. it's very much the same spirit. >> caught in that spirit, this family who fled ethnic, religious and political persecution by the taliban. >> i'm really thankful to god. i was the luckiest person of afghan women who had the opportunity to educate and continue and follow my dreams. i know that this opportunity cannot be given to everyone. >> it doesn't matter where you are from, what country you come from, friendship, family, that
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is true everywhere? >> exactly. especially for the immigrants, the u.s. is the land of dreams. the land of opportunities. >> families who have had to rebuild their own lives now hoping to help others do the same, even if it's one pie at a time. >> our thanks to george for that report. that wraps up the hour for me. you can reach me on social media. thank you for the privilege of your time. warm thanksgiving wishes from our family to yours. andrea mitchl picks up next. she will speak to president biden's top middle east advisor, brett mcgurk. that starts right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," israel and hamas, with crucial support from the u.s. and qatar, agreeing to a phased release of 50 hostages in exchange for a pause in
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