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drive in front of the wall. but on the u.s. side, helicopters flying, not protection everywhere. it doesn't look like a decent place. and i look on the other side and i see some houses close by the wall. actually not that far. so we go past and then i go to the closest house from the wall because i couldn't go in that door. there was this woman. and to old people. a little baby. and a dog. and i think oh, i follow you on social media. i said no, that's insane. the first doorway i bang? sounds like, okay, me i do the same stuff. but she takes me to the spot that the closest from the fence, but it's trees and stuff so i'm like, okay, it's a bit complicated for me to do with their. so look, thank you. and i continue driving alongside the wall. i kept on going all the way to
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the ocean. and like, that key, you don't know whether he does that kid doesn't know where the fences. and we go back the understanding in the kid in the crib looking around like that. and we look around the hill it's nothing just garbage here and they, are so hulen whose land is this? so i ask every neighbor. do you know who's land is this? i don't know. i go to the next a man, whose land is this? some people wouldn't even open the door. what do you want? so what do you do? my only option was, let's rent a villanova. anyone can rent a killer there. deliver to whatever address. i started digging the ground. a risk for me as a french in
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mexico digging a hole next to the border. i'm not digging a hole, i'm just flattening it with. maybe the mexicans will come first, you can do that, here you crazy? and i'd be like oh, i'm so sorry. one days, two days, three days, for 15 days no one says anything. and we leveled the ground. i couldn't believe it. i was like, what the flach, who is in charge here. so i go to a place where they're scaffolding and okay, yeah, we will build a, we don't ask questions. . >> [speaking in a global language] it >> is bigger than the wall. it's three times the size of the wall. let's see if the border patrol stops us.
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i come with my team and we paste it. there i was like okay maybe that's where i'm going to lose everything because border patrol is going to start saying, there's something big being built by the wall. which is something bad. >> [speaking in a global language] >> in one day we pasted the entire structure. and there was like okay, let's get out of here.
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and i passed back on the other side and stumbled on those two border patrols that we're just looking at the kid. and i just put on the internet i said hey, who wants to go see that kid, that's the location. that's all i say. one of the great things that i do is that if you build a giant kid somewhere, people will say that's a fine thing. let's go take a selfie in front of it. that's where my idea stopped. i hope people go and take photos. it's the same land, but we are -- and what happens if something i haven't planned? people exchanging their phones through the wall to take photos of each other, connecting, talking, hey, how are you. the border patrol should be, wait, wait, they could be passing drugs, weapons. let's go arrest those people. after three weeks no one got arrested.
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that i had to give back the scaffolding we decided to go and to organize a table that would go through the wall. we built a table, 36 feet on each side. yes, we would block the road a little bit on the u.s. side, because the table would end up on the road. a few days later we got a letter from the border patrol saying that they strongly recommend keeping the table on the mexican side only. we continued, but we had to improvise another way of moving the table on the u.s. side.
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and then we invited people to come and see the table for the last time. people on the mexican side all started sitting and we started making food. but there was nobody on the other side because we couldn't build a table. >> hello. how are you? oh, from germany, wow. amazing. you know we're doing a launch. >> we can't go to the other side. >> as soon as people come to take photos we tell them hey, you can stay a little bit longer, after, like, an hour, an hour and a half. there would be always be 20th 30 people. and we pass them a -- and maybe only have a couple of minutes so let's go fast. and the mexican side continuing on the u.s. side, table, and when music fan two sides. ♪ ♪ ♪
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half was in mexico, the other half in u.s., the same band playing the same music. past tackles that we made in mexico through the wall, we passed them illegal trackers. so now i'm thinking, we're going to get -- let's pretend we're eating so we can take a photo. >> everyone gather around the photo, we're gonna take a photo from the roof. [speaking in a global language] ready? [speaking in a global language] [applause] from up there there is no wall. we thought this last two minutes.
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then we would put the photo and that's it we have to take everything up. five minutes past, ten minutes past, 15, 20, 30, when our. we're still eating. it's a nice lunch with music, and for a moment we really forgot there was a wall. . this is the eye of the woman who is a dreamer. the dreamers someone who has come to the united states when she was very young with her parents, but illegally. her name is mayra. i told her not to come. i said there's a big chance we will get arrested. not only she came, she came with her mother. >> very few months left being able to be this brave and come to the border.
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>> it's only an hour half later that the border patrol came. everybody got scared. i told them sent him over to me. i was on the safe side. i was in mexico anyway. i was not even trying to justify myself. i was saying look, he said i know i know. turns out, they were watching us the whole time but he decided to let it happen. >> thank you. >> can you share to you with me? >> sure. so you. >> thank you. >> chinese to get the mexican border. how is that? he went and talked with my wrap. when she came dinner or thought she would be talking with an officer. he told her that he also had family on the other side and they were talking. that made me realize that art can go places beyond rules, beyond borders, maybe because art is not part of any
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organization, it's not part of the state. it's something that we all, we the people own. that's why it goes so far. a little kid says hey, i'm here. >> i exist. [laughter] . >> a better future. that's what it means for me. >> [speaking in a global language] >> look not locking down in front of you. perfect. i like when you hold it there.
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nice. >> i certainly don't think this is that you're gonna do life in prison as a kid, doing the things that you've done. there's a lot of fences and walls in here to keep us in, but it does more than that. it destroys who we are, it destroys our families. >> you are a greedy graffiti artist before? because i kind of started off into that lifestyle. >> oh yeah? >> we have differences my transition went in a different way after. >> 14 years ago you had no human contact. >> no just want to cover you up and take you out. that's it. >> still can't fully believe these human cages. hear the birds are free. these cages. >> i hope that this image we get around the world, what we see, and then they will be like, okay, who's that person, and actually when you take the inmate and you put your hand on any person you can hear the story right away.
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a map like something you can click on and you can hear the stories of the people. >> when names kevin. it was a gang member. i spent my whole my life focused on what i was doing at the moment. really i was just trying to people please other people. and it is this wasn't what i wanted, but i was scared. i'm not the person you see. how do you see that you are loving person? looking at my face? i finally explained what it was. it's a prison thing. it's not really like a of other people. and he made me feel really ashamed. >> yeah, like that, it's great. >> i'm not just a monster that society sees me as. i'm a person. i'm a man. i'm a human. >> hello outside world. my name is richard. >> midas nicholas. >> my name is garcia. >> my name is chris.
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ask. kevin, can i ask you one question? of course, i have fear. i have boundaries. my work, every day -- >> come around. coming on the side and paint your face. go, go, go, go, go. keep the rhythm. >> and it's a blue. here >> in between lines. that's where the wind will get it. >> you see the first i am here? look at that. >> that's his >> that's yours? >> yes, first one up. >> do you see anything weird in --
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bringing you some extra. >> make sure the glue is -- >> i would never thought i would see it here. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> let's go. now [laughter] >> the glide cleaned guard the yard yesterday, they said they clean the blood, the tear gas. it's hard to mention this violence here. how many guys you saw being stabbed here? >> 11 years work? i was raised here. i never really mention that one day you could get out of it something that you are never even gonna believe. the more we think like that, the more we're going to be able
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to obtain the streams. if people want to be this bag, from way up there, you know what i mean? we could see it. that big from way up there. and it doesn't take much. just a little hope, a little effort. and you've got it. >> and some. paper >> and some paper. [laughter] >> that's so cool right there. . that's the. crew pizza time. pizza. so i am back in here. look at the shadows. with kevin. >> how is it going? >> good, and you? >> i put the portrait i took a view on social media and people were like, oh, i think people were touched by your photo because of the depth in your eyes and what you share and conflicted because of your tattoo on your cheek. >> i understand that the
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symbols eyewear represent hate to many people, and so people automatically gonna have a conflict with that. when we come in here we are forced to fight for our lives against other races. i know it causes a lot of hurt in other people's hearts. i know that if i could right now i would remove it, you know what i mean? >> if i find someone who can remove it? >> let's do it. >> so if anyone is out there looking for someone who can help to remove this. >> please. >> >> look at which he smiling over there. i'm just hanging out, having a good time, enjoying this. this is something my 25 years of being busted at cdc, i never thought i would ever see. i collective cuba individuals just coming together for one purpose. and yeah, mexicans working with
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blacks and whites, everybody interacting. it's rare in the prison system. but for us to break that mold is big. >> it shows just everybody is willing to put all the hate and all the negativity behind us and work together with staff and everybody for a common goal, you know what i mean? >> oh, that's like a little plane. >> i thought it was like america. >> first time we've ever seen a drone live like this.
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>> trying to keep my eye. >> i want it to leave it there. i want to stay. i felt good i felt something freeing. the process is what matters. i think that's what art is. it's a process. not just we do a picture or sang a song. it's beautiful. it affected me. art. that's what i learned from you artists. >> the process, is what matters. it took me years to realize that. and he is just realizing it in a heartbeat. it stayed with me because they're reassured me i was keeping the right power of that. t. t. >> that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur.
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everyone. we are here in paris. the top of law bastille. boom. people always think graffiti just started. but look at this. those are all graffiti from 1918, 1914, 1846, 1923, and tons of people who want to exist and express and be seen and be remembered. i relate to that. >> growing up in the projects outside paris i was only doing graffiti from the rooftops and
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it's not that i had to escape by the window or sleeping in the couch in the living room would just give me the freedom. as a child of emigrants, i come from a family that never had a voice. i feel like i am leaving a month because i would see. no one else would care within my family. yeah, so, you made that -- one day i was just at a train station in paris waiting for my friend, and he was late. and at some point i see the bag that was there. that's after through two or three trains the bag still. here's why opened it, and i see this camera.
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i took it. and i had that idea of i should document these adventures. i was documenting everything. i was documenting timing those moves, i was documenting those night experiences. and i loved it. i would just make photocopies of it and just give it to the people i photographed. then i was like i, i have a photo and, hand i can just paste one on the wall. but my photos were really small, so you didn't really notice them. so i started framing those photos. and i started noticing that people in suits and ties would stop and look at them. if people don't like it they
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>> when i started, it was vandalism, many times, we got arrested. one day, i went to the closest store and i put a hat with glasses, and thought, if i take them off, nobody would recognize me. at that time, i thought the whole world was paris. and then i met ladj ly, and he took me to a place have never seen before. -- collective of artists that was already making art, graffiti. i was pasting in filming. we had that similar vibe and we understood each other right away. one day, he took me to his neighborhood. it's a project, like mine. but, i've never seen a neighborhood like that. it was completely abandoned. [speaking foreign language]
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>> at that time, ladj was shooting the short film, and asked to film me pasting. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i was just pasting in his neighborhood. someone said, why don't you take our photo. boom, i take that photo. everybody looks at it and says, you had a gun? we are talking about, we were there, it's a camera. >> oh yeah, it's a camera. >> it was just a whole day of taking photos. ♪ ♪ ♪ we had all those photos, but we did not know what to do with them. there were all those buildings. lets cover those buildings. let's just do it. [speaking in a global language]
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[speaking in a global language] we didn't want to get arrested, so we asked all the kids to hang around with the pasting so the cops wouldn't stop us. -- trying to stop whatever we were doing. -- >> i never pasted an image so big. it was the first time. that photo, where ladj was holding the camera like a gun, it's a photo that will follow us our whole life. [speaking in a global language]
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[speaking in a global language] [speaking in a global language] >> they destroying the last building, the b5, where ladj grew up to rebuild smaller buildings. these places for us a seat of creation. now, we are running a school across the street from it. it is not a school to teach you how to become a good photographer or painter, but how to survive as an artist. it is totally different. [speaking in a global language] >> surrounding yourself that come from different backgrounds, different stories, different
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[speaking in a global language] [speaking in a global language] >> hey, kevin. what's up, man, how are you? >> i'm good, yourself? >> i'm good. i'm in the middle of pasting. >> you are a busy guy. >> you know where i did my first pasting, with a camera? i'm exactly right there. everything has been rebuilt into smaller buildings.
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the last giant building of the neighborhood is being destroyed, so we're pasting the entire building. how is everything over there? >> it's getting a little worse with the virus stuff. a lot of guys are getting sick or tested positive. >> let's focus on the positive things. you're coming out very soon, that's crazy. this whole swastika on your face will be an old story that you will be telling. >> no, actually, i just heard back from and they denied me. i know my past was bad. i wasn't the greatest person, you know? i did a lot of damage but they kind of focused on the negative. >> i've seen lots of negativity in my life. i've seen, and i know it is like. but it's just so much easier to
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find the darkside. right now, it's only the prime necessity shops that are open everyone's just walk at home. the basic things that we need to survive is actually human contact, to get to know each other, and listen to each other. it's something as important as eating. my work is just an excuse to create that, so people who normally never meet, get to meet. it was only a year ago that i was in paris, pasting on the louvre. we had volunteers come from all over to paste this. 400 people pasting. people on the floor, people wondering what it is, looking at it.
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[speaking in a global language] >> big chance for us. and i hope for you to to go there and connect the two worlds. i went to brazil when i was 23 or 24. there was a violent incident in rio. you remember? [speaking in a global language] >> those three kids were just walking to school and they were arrested by the police. you do not have your papers, come with us and the police sold them to an enemy favela
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where they got killed and chopped into pieces. [speaking in a global language] >> three kids being killed at the hands of the police in brazil -- but i am not going to just hear what the news is telling me, i want to hear it by myself. i want to meet those people. so i went there in 2008. [speaking in a global language]
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>> when i got there, i understood there was a complicated favela. it is the home of one of the red commando. the community, because of all the drug dealing, there are a lot of guns involved. >> [speaking in a global language] >> i saw how impossible it was to walk. i started taking photos on the edge of the favela. as i walked around, close to the edge, i met her and i was a gringo, as you say in brazil.
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she said, what are you doing? i said hey i'm an artist, i'm actually trying to do a project about women and how they are the pillar of their community. i've been working in kenya, liberia, and other countries. she said, well, we need art here there is not enough art. can i come? go home, leave your bag, come back to the same place, go up the street all the way and anyone who stops you with a gun, tell them that you've come to see--. when i got up there she was waiting for me at the main square. she said we wanted to introduce someone from the community. i was like, sure, who. his name is maurice, he is a photographer. in my head i am like we do not
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need a photographer, i need to learn how to paste on the house. and she's like, no you need, to talk to maurice so the maurice arrived, he was born there, raised there, knows everyone. rather than explaining what i want to do, i placed eyes on the house. i brought him that piece of paper, then he understood. he smiled because suddenly it was the project for him. you know this one, that is my neighbor? we walked through the favila. he knocked at the door and we say what's up. no, he wants to know if he can paste on your house? what is it, is it political? no, it is not political. it's going to damage my house? no. do you want to do it now? no, we're not ready, but we are just asking if you want. of course, come and do it.
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so i take the paper and go, check. so we went to the next house. maybe saturday or sunday, because her husband was working, so we will have the answer on the weekend. most of the people are like, sure, do it. maurice just said hey, you need to meet the head of the drug dealers. so one night we walk down the favela. kids with machine guns, grenades, bulletproof jackets. we arrive and there were three leaders, he asks a straightaway who are you, what do you want? we are artists, we are frien. i am there with ladj, he came with me we have a computer with pictures. they looked at this and we said
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we have done in the favela, they say no this is not a favela, it is a building. so we pasted the wall in israel palestine. one of the guys say, what is israel and palestine? they had never heard of it. i could not find a bridge to explain what it was. this is what we want to do, we took these photos, we want to paste them. the next day we started pasting the stairs. the stairs is actually right in the heart of the favela. you cannot see from outside that it is something only the locals can see. so we paste, it is a beautiful day. and then suddenly. [sound of gunfire] [speaking in a global language] the police come up, drug dealers replied, we are in the middle of it.
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there's, no school there. there's no ngo, there's nothing. you have to work, and i was 24. and i can't create a school. he kept calling me, there's this house, this house is empty because it keeps receiving bullets from different shootings. no one wants it, and the old man wants to sell, you should buy it. so i get the money, and i went there. i actually put the money on my body, and i walked up and bought the house from the old man. the first thing we did when we got the house was go down the hill, and bought all the yellow they had. there was a sale that day on the yellow. we called the house the yellow house. that's it. and then we had our program.
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everyone took photos of the family. we pasted it and decided to celebrate the -- i thought it would be amazing if we actually get the people from the city to come out there. people who see the favela and have never been out there. we went to see the drug dealer and said, tonight, we want to launch this house and we want people from the city to be able to come in. can we ask you a favor? they'll be no guns on the stairs. he said, we don't know if that's possible, we'll see. s fast, rinvoq delivered rapid symptom relief and helped leave bathroom urgency behind. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc caused damage rinvoq came through by visibly repairing my colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief...
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lasting steroid-free remission... ...and the chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check, check, and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least 1 heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. put uc in check and keep it there with rinvoq. ask your gastroenterologist about rinvoq and learn how abbvie can help you save. [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there's still beauty and breath to be had. because with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open and prevents future flare-ups.
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and with one dose a day, trelegy improves lung function so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. ♪ what a wonderful world ♪ ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy for copd because breathing should be beautiful. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> a lot of people came. people who live in rio but never put a foot there.
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and that night, never forget, i woke up, they raised a shirt, they turn around -- that's the moment i realized how -- have a huge power. those guys don't know anything about our, but they have seen what we have done and except to put the gun for that evening. i would never have imagined that. [speaking in a global language] [speaking in a global language]
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>> ten years now, it's been ten years. we built everything ourselves. the class, the boards, everything is handmade. i want to find one from japan, one from the u.s., and then cover the entire house, in and out of the doors. we were just trying to keep going -- ♪ ♪ ♪ how do you show those kids another pass then drugs, and we could not do it for every kids. a lot of these kids ended up drug dealers. that's him right there. if you look at that photo, he is the only one who survived, all those kids.
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most of them are in drug dealing or died. that is the reality of life. -- but when these projects signed all over the world, showing a positive message for once in this place, then they understood the power of art. what happened, the video of the favela, -- but this time for positive things. so they sent the garbage trucks, the electricity for the cables, so since then, a lot of things happened. but we were struggling to bring eyes there. it's hard to get people passed a fear of going to a place where there is all this violence. we are here, the police and state don't come or ask questions, we can do whatever i want. i want to see my neighbor,
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question for you, what happens if we build something in the sky? >> i don't care, as long it is not impact me, do whatever you want. i want to build the moon up there, and everyone from across the city can see it. i wanted to be a bedroom, so an artist, you if you go there, can come, donate time, so the kids can sleep up there. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we will open up the lock. and it is open. this is the moon, guys. this is my favorite place, where the teachers come from the school and come in and sleep. there is even a scene in there. and then if you open -- ♪ ♪ ♪ what's up, baby?
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>> that's how it feels to be on top of the moon. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> they are limits where we have in ourselves, the myths where it's possible and when we think it's not. i have those two. and yet people constantly show me that these limits are not where we think they are. their way further. and save up to 40% on your monthly bill. infinitely better. [speaking in a global language]
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♪ ♪ ♪ >> kevin's right there. you want to say something? >> thank you very much, our. i do look forward to -- >> for sure. >> for sure. >> for sure. without the tattoo. >> come on, give me some french. >> [speaking in a global language] [laughter] >> let me run to see from the point of view. that's what it looks like! no more walls. yeah!
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