they are depending on him when they wanted to, you know, launch various operations. they depend on the satellite coverage that he provides, the starlink as we've seen. you know, elon musk has used that at times when he thought that ukrainian actions were not in the best interests. and so he does have a power -- quite this way. >> peter baker, thank you very much, thanks for jumping in there, and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us on social media @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" with yasmin vossoughian starts right now. hi, everybody, good to see you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for chris jansing live here at msnbc headquarters in new york city. in israel, the number of

hostages released now up to 99, two more women were freed by hamas in the past couple of hours. today, though, fears that new violence including a deadly shooting in jerusalem could derail the truce in hopes of bringing more hostages home. a single sentence was all it took in appeals court. we've got an update on that case. plus, on what could be his last full day in congress, republican george santos attacking his colleagues for trying to bully him, as he puts it, out of washington. his wild -- and i mean wild -- press conference, and why he's spending what could be his final hours in office trying to get another lawmaker expelled. we want to start, though, with the hour-by-hour, minute by minute negotiations happening to keep a truce between israel and hamas in place. remember, it was a last minute deal just beforeidnight our time that kept the fighting on pause for one more day allowing for the release of more hostages

today. hours ago, the israeli government announcing that these two women, 21-year-old nya schem and amit soussana have been released. more than 140 others still being held in gaza. today a potentially troubling setback during the peace talks. hamas claiming responsibility for a deadly shooting that killed three people at a bus stop in jerusalem. hamas says it was in response to an israeli raid in the west bank that killed two palestinian children. in addition, the israeli military saying it intercepted a, quote, suspicious aerial target fired from lebanon. that is the first time there has been cross border fire since this truce began. i want to bring in nbc's erin mclaughlin who's been following all of this for us from tel aviv. good to talk to you. give us the latest, if you will, on the hostages and the negotiations to extend this

truce. (. >> reporter: well so far today two hostages have been released, 21-year-old mia schem. she was featured in one of the first hostage videos to be released by hamas following the october attacks and 40-year-old amit soussana. al jazeera broadcasting footage it says was shot in downtown gaza city. you see a large crowd gathered. you see hamas militants taking the women out of their vehicles, transferring them to the red cross, and the reason this is shocking is because just weeks ago the israeli military said that it had control over northern gaza, that hamas was no longer in control of this territory, and yet, we see this scene today, hamas clearly sending a message to the israeli government that it is not going anywhere, seen as a flex. now, we are waiting for ten more hostages to be released today.

still no word on when that could happen. the israeli officials say they expect it to happen relatively soon. yasmin. >> erin, talk to me about this shooting in jerusalem in response, as they say, to the raid in the west bank. >> reporter: yeah, there was a terror attack in jerusalem, this morning was caught on camera. footage shows two men getting out of a vehicle and opening fire at a bus stop. the bus stop in a strategic location. it was early morning rush hour. on the main thoroughfare connecting tel aviv to jerusalem, killing three, injuring 13. hamas has claimed responsibility for that attack pointing to a litany of grievances from the siege on gaza to what happened in the west bank yesterday when two palestinian boys, ages 8 and 15 were shot and killed by israeli forces. israeli forces alleging that the boys had been part of a group that had explosives. palestinians denying that, nevertheless, raising tensions

in the west bank, and of course all of this happening amidst a backdrop of the u.s. secretary of state visiting jerusalem earlier this morning. we heard from the israeli prime minister saying that pointing to this attack, saying that israel will not stop until hamas is eliminated, and all this as secretary of state is trying to secure an extension for the cease fire as well as more aid into gaza. now, in terms of that extension, this current pause expires at midnight, still no word if or when the cease fire will be extended going forward, once the next tranche, the ten hostage are released. >> we just mentioned mia schem, we just got in the moment in which mia schem's mother found out she was being released, let's watch that.

>> relief, happiness, celebration for a family torn apart and now reunited. for the third time since this war began, secretary of state tony blinken is in israel trying to keep the hostage negotiations on track. for more moments like the one we just saw. i want to bring in allie raffa who's been covering the white house to talk more about this. i'm wondering if you can detect really any shift here in the public or private messaging the u.s. is giving israel as they try to extend the cease fire? >> reporter: yeah, there certainly has been a public shift -- at least publicly, a shift in messaging from u.s. officials to their israeli counterparts. you know, since this war began, we've heard u.s. officials say publicly that they fully support what they say is israel's right and responsibility to defend itself. but words of caution that we

know had been shared privately in the past week or so have shifted publicly as well. with u.s. officials much more explicitly telling their israeli counterparts to take caution and be careful and try more to protect innocent civilian life in gaza, to be more surgical in their attacks in gaza, and we've seen that become an extremely divisive issue for the president in the united states as we've seen the death toll in gaza surge, as we've seen those horrific images coming out of gaza before this cease fire. and as you mentioned, this is blinken's third trip now to the middle east since this war began. his shule diplomacy before this cease fire has bn credited with even achieving that, and according to a state department spokesperson during his meeting with prime minister nyahu, he said -- blinken assured netanyahu could count on u.s. support, but he add that had requires israel's compliance

with international humanitarian law, and he urged israel to take everyble measure to avoid civilian harm. the spokesperson saying that blinken, quote, stressed the imperative of accounting for humanitarian and civilian protection needs in southern gaza before any military operations there. remember, that's where the israelis were telling the palestinians to go before they conducted their military operations, and he also urged immediate steps to hold settler extremists accountable for violence against palestinians in the west bank, blinken also, according to this spokesperson stressed the u.s. remains committed to a peace process in gaza that will eventually lead to the creation of a palestinian state. that's something that we've heard the president echo. he talked about that on sunday after the release of the 4-year-old american hostage abigail idan. much sharper language from u.s. administration officials as we've heard the israelis say now

that once the cease fire does eventually end, they fully expect and plan to resume their military operations in gaza, yasmin. >> nbc's allie raffa for us, thank you, appreciate it. i want to bring in a man who dedicated his career to u.s. peacemaking, ambassador dennis ross, served as u.s. special envoy for mideast talks spending more than a decade under president george h.w. bush and president clinton. he also served as special assistant to president obama and is counselor at the washington institute for middle east policy. i want to pick up on where allie left off dh is the kind of shifting in the way in which the biden administration is communicating their policy. there certainly has been a marked shift in the way they're talking about it and talking with israel about it as well. what do you make of that as the prime minister of israel, bibi netanyahu looks to resume this conflict, this war?

>> look, i think that the shift in tone reflects, i think, the reality that there is more pressure to try to bring about a cease fire, and the administration understands if you actually have a cease fire, not just the pauses that we're seeing, but if you have a cease fire, it's going to leave hamas in control of gaza. and if hamas is in control of gaza, you can talk about two states, but there's no possibility of it. so on the one hand, it recognizes that. it also needs to create the time and space that is necessary to be able to allow the israelis to do it, and if there isn't more done to reduce the palestinian casualties, the civilian palestinian casualties f there isn't more done to ensure that humanitarian assistance goes in, it becomes increasingly difficult to provide that time and space. so what you're really getting is a message to the israeli, okay, we support your right and even your need to do this, but we

also understand that if we're going to -- if we're going to have a day after in which hamas is not there, there needs to be an arab world that is also prepared to embrace that and assume a set of responsibilities, and if there are two many palestinian casualties, it's going to be increasingly difficult to get to that point. so there's a strategic imperative that i think the administration is trying to convey to the israelis that is actually the same strategic imperative we both share, but there's a context which makes this more likely and a context which makes it much harder to achieve. i think that's why you're seeing the shift in tone. in addition, i'd just make one other point. >> yeah. >> i think the administration wants to be seen by the arabs as making a real effort to reduce the palestinian casualties and also to ensure that the needs of the palestinians who were there and who have been asked to move to the south get addressed. that's designed to take some of the heat off of arab governments who are feeling pressure from their own publics. >> do you think there's any

chance that this cease fire could be extended considering the raid in the west bank, the shooting in jerusalem, but also to tack onto that obviously there's still many hostages being held inside gaza that netanyahu has said repeatedly he must bring home. >> i don't rule out that we'll see an extension of the pause, you know. will it go on for another week, that would probably at this point not in the cards. but for another couple of days, i think there is -- that still is probably more likely than not, with all the fragility, with everything that's fraught about this, there is a kind of interesting convergence of interest. the israelis, as you just said, they want to get more hostages out. and hamas uses that time to regroup. they were under enormous military pressure. that shot we saw of hamas two women in gaza city, that wouldn't have been possible if there wasn't a pause.

and the pause allows them to regroup, move some of their fighters and leaders around, so they have an interest in extending the pause as long as possible, and the israelis have an interest in getting more hostages out. even though it could well break down because you have the events of today, there still is a kind of mutual interest, at least i wouldn't say mutual, but at least there's a converging interest that creates in my mind at least, the potential for this being extended a couple more days at least. >> ambassador, while i have you, i want you to weigh in on the passing of former secretary of state henry kissinger at the age of 100. i know that you knew him. you have spoken with him many times. what should we take away from his legacy? >> you know, he was an extraordinary secretary of state, not only because he knew how to negotiate and he understood the dynamics of international politics, but he was also one of the great conceptualizers about geopolitics generally. this is a guy who at 100 was

still writing a book. you know, he had a book that came out last year. i did an interview with him because i'm also going to be doing a biography of him, and i have to say, i did this six weeks ago, and we spent an hour and a half, and i covered a range of issues, and he was remarkably acute. i mean, his insights, even at the age of 100 were still pretty extraordinary, and somehow until the very last moment, he was still extremely active, and that kind of intellectual dynamism really never went away. >> ambassador, thank you, i appreciate it. >> sure. >> coming up next, we're following breaking news out of new york where an appeals court reinstated the gag order against donald trump in his civil fraud trial. we are back in just 60 seconds. s ned's plaque psoriasis. [camera shutter sfx] he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see.

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we've got breaking news out of new york where an appeals court has put a gag order back in place in donald trump's civil fraud trial denying his argument that it was unconstitutional. the decision all of 27 words long, the judge now warning the former president and his legal team he intends to, quote, vigorously enforce the gag order going forward. i want to bring in nbc's ken dilanian who's been following this for us. what more do you know, ken, and what does vigorously enforce look like? >> yeah, yasmin, as you said, a one sentence decision from a four-judge panel, and it reinstated this gag order two weeks after an individual appellate judge had put the order on hold while the appeals process played out. and judge arthur engoron who originally imposed this gag order in october said he now planned to enforce it rigorously and vigorously. he imposed the initial gag order after trump posted baseless allegations about the judge's law clerk, alison greenfield who sits alongside the judge during the testimony exchanging notes and advising him. remember that engoron fined trump $15,000 for violating the

gag order and then expanded it to include lawyers after trump's attorneys also criticized the law clerk. in arguing for the gag order, the attorney general included a sworn statement from a court security official who said there was a huge increase in threatening calls and messages directed at the judge and the law clerk. greenfield has been receiving 20 to 30 calls a day to her personal cell phone and 30 to 50 messages on social media, linkedin and two personal email addresses and half of those were anti-semitic messages. trump's lawyers argue that while the messages and calls were vile and reprehensible, they didn't justify gagging him. his attorney christopher keys called the ruling a tragic day for the rule of law. legal experts say this ruling means that it's likely the gag order will remain in place for the rest of the trial. >> wow, the emotional turmoil one has to deal with when being harassed in that way. ken dilanian, thank you so much. appreciate it.

with anti-semitic violence t rise, nypd hate crimes task force is investigating a series of assaults that took place in brooklyn on saturday. the crimes began when a man leaving a synagogue was attacked gup of men who punched him many times and then fled on a scooter. within 40 minutes two other men nearby were also attacked in a similar way. all three men suffered minor injuries and declined medical attention. police have since released this photo of three individuals they are seeking in connection with these attacks. coming up next, embattled new york congressman george santos airing his grievances as his colleagues prepare to vote on expelling him from the house. we are live on capitol hill with the very latest coming up next.

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welcome back. embattled new york republican congressman george santos not backing down, once again refusing to resign ahead of the house's third resolution to expel him from congress. this morning he held a free wheeling press conference on the steps of the capitol. watch this. >> if i leave, they win. if i leave the bullying takes place. this is bullies. it's all theater. it's theaters for the cameras. it's theaters for the microphones. it's theater for the american people. >> is it though? the house expected to vote on his expulsion tomorrow two weeks after the house ethics committee said it found, listen to this, overwhelming evidence that he used campaign funds on everything from trips to

casinos, botox and then a stay in the hampton's. i want to bring in garrett haake on capitol hill for us. sounds pretty interesting to say the least how he's been spending his time over the last couple of months, garrett. walk us through what this vote is shaping up to be tomorrow? >> reporter: yasmin, we'll see the debate for this vote start in a couple of hours. the vote tomorrow requires a two-thirds majority, a far greater majority than passing legislation does to expel a member. in and of itself that would be incredibly historic. it's only happened in the house five other times in history, in most cases for incidences for folks involved in the confederacy during the civil war. that press conference from santos this morning didn't seem designed to rebut any of the charges against him or convince anybody of his innocence. but rather to make the case to

waiver lawmakers they don't to want set this precedent. here's a little of what santos said. >> if the house wants to start different precedent and expel me, that is going to be the undoing of a lot of members of this body because this will haunt them in the future where mere allegations are sufficient to have members removed from office when duly elected by their people in their respective states and districts. >> reporter: i've hea fm some republicans that that argument at its core is somewhat persuasive. he's not been convicted by any court. he's been essentially accused in federal court and by colleagues of these crimes or violations of house rules. but some republicans are a little squeamish about the possibility of expelling him before a jury has reached a verdict or he's admitted any wrongdoing. we'll see what happens when this vote gets called. probably the very last thing congress does tomorrow before

they leave town for the weekend. >> we'll be watching, garrett haake for us, appreciate it. want to bring in one of the house republicans who will be voting to expel george santos. congressman ken buck from colorado. welcome, thanks for joining us on this. appreciate it. what do you make from what you heard from your colleague earlier today, that this is going to come back to haunt lawmakers if he's expelled? >> i will sleep tomorrow night and i will sleep well saturday night. i didn't vote for the previous expulsion motion on george santos because i didn't believe he had due process. i don't think due process is only achieved by a conviction in criminal court. the ethics committee, three democrats, three republicans gave him an opportunity to appear before them and present exculpatory material and material as to why he should not be expelled, and he refused. he intentionally avoided giving information and giving credible testimony, and so as a result, there is a finding and he has

had his due process, and in my opinion, he should not be a member of the house. >> i want to play for you, if i can, congressman, speaker mike johnson talking about this upcoming vote and then get your reaction on the other side. >> i personally have real reservations about doing this. i'm concerned about a precedent that may be set for that. >> are there others -- do you have other colleagues that have reservations about expelling him? >> i'm sure there are many other of my colleagues that have reservations about expelling him. i don't think the expulsion bar should be only at a criminal conviction. and so we may have disagreements about that. i have a lot of respect for this speaker. i also know that we have a very small majority and that george santos's seat may very well not be won by a republican, so we may be losing one of the five-vote majority that we have in this house. >> but is this about maintaining

power or doing what's right? congressman. >> i'm going to be voting to expel him. i'll let you viewers decide what others motives are. >> you have been very outspoken against members of your party who continue to deny the results of the 2020 election. it's a major topic in a new book as you well know by former congresswoman liz cheney who writes about how future speak joern son wanted republican members to support this amicus brief to throw out the results of four states that the president lost. she writes this when i confronted him with the flaws in his legal arguments, johnson would often concede or a say something to the effect of we just need to do this one last thing for trump. what is your reaction to that, sir? >> well, i joined that brief, and i think that challenging election in the courts is appropriate. the supreme court made a decision. i respected that decision, and i voted to certify the electors on january 6th. i think it's very important that

outside of the legal system there were actions taken that were inappropriate, and i think that decertifying the electors, i think that obviously the actions on january 6th invading the capitol and having a riot were bad, terrible, horrible, but the ability to go to court and to challenge an election is part of our system, and it has been for a couple hundred years. i don't have a problem with mike johnson's brief. i understand liz's position on that, but i am supportive of mike. now, mike has said that after that supreme court decision, he will admit that donald trump lost the election. he has made that very clear at the time that he filed that brief. >> congressman, one last one to you, i know you know this well as you are a member of the foreign affairs committee, and that is the aid that israel and ukraine need right about now. what is the likelihood that is going to get through? >> i'm very optimistic that it will get through. i think it's very important for

americans to realize we have $34 trillion of debt. we need to find ways to pay for these kinds of expenditures. expenditures on natural disasters, expenditures for our allies who are fighting against terror in israel and aggressive invasion by russia. so i think once we find these pay forwards and we're able to move forward, we will make sure that aid gets to those countries. they deserve it, and we should stand with our allies. >> congressman ken buck, thank you, sir, appreciate it. we're going to turn our gaze overseas as new details emerge about some of the hostages released by hamas. a man who had a family member released just yesterday joins me after a very quick break. we'll be right back. el paso and hello amazing freshn.

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she's a lot better than ke we expected, actually, because we heard stories about the horrific things that happened there. you know, when you think about the experience that she's been through, she looks brave, and she looks fine, and i got to say, we kind of expected or we anticipated that it could be much worse, and now it's really, really good to have her here. when i saw her smile, when we just recognized her, i said, okay, that means she's on a good -- right now, and she's in a much better place than she was before. >> did yarden talk at all about -- you said she talked about the last seven weeks and what she's experienced. what did she tell you? >> well, there's not much that we can talk about because -- because some of this is still confidential, but one thing i can tell you is that, you know, she was kidnapped along with her

husband and with her 3-year-old girl, and actually, the three of them managed to escape, to just run away, and she was carrying geffin in her arms, and she understood that she couldn't run fast enough, so she gave geffin to her husband and told them to run, and they ran and she stayed behind. so actually, from the minute she was kidnapped and for a long, long time she didn't even know whether her husband and her girl survived. so i guess that her kidnappers did know, but they didn't let her know, and they didn't tell her of course. this is part of the psychological terror that they inflicted on her. i actually found out yesterday when they came back, the way she found out about this is when she accidentally heard a radio show

when i dedicated a song to her mother-in-law. i mention that had we're still waiting on my cousin and her sister-in-law, and by the way they mentioned the names, she understood that actually they're okay and alive, and that was the way she found out that her little girl survived, and she actually managed to save her. so this is just a small part of what she experienced, and i guess that we'll hear much more about it as time goes by, but right now we try to keep it confidential in order not to hurt the means and the ways to treat the other hostages who are still there. actually, my cousin is still there, still held hostage, and we are still trying to protect her life and to make sure that she comes home as fast as possible. >> have you heard anything about how your cousin carmel is doing?

>> we have heard -- we have received some messages from people who came back, so we understand that she is alive, and this is very important to us because you know hamas does not give you any signs of life. you can never know what what happens to your relative ifs they're in the hands of hamas and they don't let the red cross even approach them in any way. and we know that she's alive. we know that she's supposed to be okay physically for the last time that we checked, and that was -- the information was right to the day when the war actually stopped or there was a cease fire. so we know that she was not hurt by any acts of war during this time, and we really expect hamas right now to give her back to us because there's a deal between israel and hamas and hamas is supposed to hand out to israel the women and the children, and she's a woman, and she's

supposed to be back with us right now, and we really, really hope that she would be a part of the next list that we're going to receive in the next few hours. so we'll get a chance to see her and finally hug her and make sure she's home and okay in a few hours' time. >> we're hoping for her return as well. did you -- did you get to speak to yarden? i know that you have said repeatedly you can't really share a lot of details. but are you at all able to share how she learned that she was going to be released and also what the reunification was like with her husband and her 3-year-old baby? i couldn't imagine being away from my kids for seven weeks not knowing if they were alive or dead and then seeing them once again. >> yeah, i actually can't really about it the minutes before the -- before she got the message, but i think there's a wonderful picture that i can send you and i think i did of yaldin hugging geffin for the

first time. it looks a bit like this, the smile on her face you can't miss it. i think all of israel just saw this picture that was posted a few hours ago and understood how wonderful, wonderful it could be when people are just back home with their families. it's so simple, and it's such an important thing to be -- to be concerned about now that we are at the war with such a horrible terror organization that -- unbelievable things to the israeli people and actually to the palestinian people, so as i say always, we don't want war and we don't want revenge. we don't seek -- what we want is to just bring all the hostages home, men, women, children, babies elderly people, they don't belong in captivity. they should be returned home, and we hope that we can achieve

this really, really soon. >> gil, we are so thankful you were able to spend some time with us today. we wish you and your family the best. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. so we are learning more about an american citizen released from hamas captivity yesterday, liat beinin is a 45-year-old mother of 3. she moved to a kibbutz in southern israel two decades ago where she teaches history and works as a guide at israel's holocaust museum. she and her husband were kidnapped by hamas. liat's father was on "morning joe" with an update on her condition and how the family is feeling right now. >> i'm elated to report that her physical condition appears to be pretty good considering the ordeal that she went through.

on the other hand, we are reminded that haviv isti held prisoner in gaza. this is a matter of great consternation for us, and it's difficult to deal with both emotions at the same time. it's a challenge. >> in a statement yesterday, th president said, quote, reremain determined to secure the release of every person taken hostage by hamas during its brutal terrorist assault on israel on october 7, including liat's husband we are taking a listen to the white house press briefing. john kirby is taking questions. >> between what the president wants and what israel wants? >> obviously we continue to believe that israel has the right and responsibility to go after hamas. they have said, they have spoken for their military campaign, and they have said very clearly that when these pauses are over, they

intend to go back at it, and as they make that decision, they'll continue to find support from the united states in terms of tools and capabilities, the weapons systems that they need as well as the advice and perspective we can offer in terms of urban warfare. no nation should have to stand for what israel had to experience on the 7th of october. so i won't speak for their operations and i'm certainly not going to get into private conversations that the president has had with the prime minister, but he has been clear publicly and certainly in his discussions with the war cabinet that they will continue to have united states' support as they go after these terrorists. again, just look at what happened today in jerusalem. if anybody's guessing and wondering whether hamas still has murderous intentions against the israeli people, look at what happened in jerusalem. >> you mentioned before that the u.s. believes there are two american women held, one has been released, so does that mean there is one american woman left being held? what do we know about her condition? >> i wish hi good answers for

those questions. unfortunately we don't know. we do believe that of the unaccounted for americans that we believe there's one other woman that's unaccounted for, and that we had believed was taken hostage, so we were hoping to see two women and of course little abigail come out over the last week. we're certainly grateful that we -- we've now gotten six americans out, but i don't have additional information on this individual or where she might be or what her condition is. i just don't know. >> believe that hamas does not know where all the hostages are, or is that something they're -- >> i can't say what hamas knows or doesn't know. they launched these attacks on the 7th of october with two purposes, one to kill, the other to take hostage. and they did that. we do think that there are some other groups other than hamas

that might be holding hostages, but that's not to say that hamas doesn't have visibility on that or doesn't have a way to find out about it. the onus is really on hamas as this deal progresses today to identify, locate, and secure these hostages and get them to the red cross so they can get to safety. i couldn't speak with great certainty about exactly what hamas knows and doesn't know. >> thanks, the administration officials said yesterday that there is an effort to encourage the israelis in the southern gaza operation to kind of narrow the target, make sure that civilians have a clear idea of where they can seek refuge. is there a concern that might give a heads-up to hamas as well so they can reposition as well and seek refuge? there is a couple of things there, trevor, first of all, i won't speak for the israeli military and what their plans and strategies are. they have a right to operational

security in terms of what they're going to do, when they're going to do it and how they're going to do it. we certainly don't want to say anything from the podium or publicly that would put their operational security at risk. secondly, we have been very consistent and clear with our israeli counterparts that we do not support a move to the south unless or until they have adequately accounted for the protection of innocent human life, civilian life in southern gaza. with the understanding that there's a whole heck of a lot more innocent civilians in southern gaza than there were a we can or two ago because the israelis opened up corridors for them to move south. so i won't get too far ahead of operations, but what we want to see and what we're urging our israeli counter parts to do is to make sure that there's a proper accounting for that, that there are -- that there is appropriate safety measures put

in place so that these additional now hundreds of thousands of civilians are not in greater harm's way than they already are now. >> all right, so you're taking a listen to john kirby at the white house press briefing today, obviously taking many questions when it comes to the israel-hamas war and this truce that has been ongoing for the last few days with the release of the hostages. a couple of things that came up there, kirby reiterating there having minute by minute, hour-by-hour talks to extend this truce, whether or not that's going to happen, obviously it ends tonight, is really up in the air and in question here. talking about the additional american hostages still being held in hamas. it doesn't seem like they have much information on that, six american hostages have so far been released. there is one outstanding female american hostage that john kirby was addressing there. they don't necessarily know her location and/or how she's doing, her health. and then he said this, which i thought was interesting. as we look to resume this war,

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