was happening at all, given that one of the candidates isn't running, one of the debaters isn't running, take a listen to what we heard from both of the debaters after the debate. take a listen. >> i'm in a race where one candidate gets a disproportionate amount of media coverage, and so i have to be able to get my message out. to have 90 minutes on national tv where i'm able to go and box somebody who's on the far left, that is good exposure for me. >> why do you think governor desantis agreed to debate you? >> i think these are last gasps. >> are you laying the ground for 2028? >> i was trying to make the case for 2024 and joe biden. >> newsom there saying it's the last gasp of ron desantis. we will see, and we will be watching. it was quite a night to say the

least, dasha burns, as always, thank you. that does it for us this hour. our coverage continues right now with "katy tur reports." good to be with you. i'm katy tur. they were warned. more than a year before october 7th israeli officials were repeatedly told that hamas was planning something big, and those officials repeatedly brushed it off, according to documents reviewed by "the new york times." the approximately 40-page document, which the israeli authorities code named jericho wall outlined point by point exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people. again, according to the times. a blueprint of an invasion, which hamas ultimately followed with, quote, shocking precision. nbc news has not seen the document, but we do have one of the "new york times" reporters who did joining us in just a moment. the idf has responded to the

report saying, quote, questions of this kind will be looked into at a later stage. we also have reporting from within israel about how this news has been circulating there, and how israelis are reacting. it is a shattering document. had the warning been heeded, the attack might have been foiled. war might have been avoided and thousands upon thousands of lives could have been saved. lives that are still being lost in these very moments. as the cease fire which lasted seven days was not extended into today, both hamas and israel are fighting once again as gazans run if the bombs once again. we have extremely consequential reporting to get to, news that could change the course of the war and what we see afterwards. going to start with where things stand right now. here's nbc news chief foreign correspondent, richard engel. >> israel resumed air strikes against hamas and gaza after a

seven-day truce collapsed overnight. many strikes focused on southern gaza around khan younis. dozens of palestinians were killed. israel blamed hamas for breaking the truce by launching rockets into israel and fail to free at least ten hostages a day. the truth broke down as "the new york times" release add bomb shell report that israeli officials were warned that hamas was planning an assault, breaking through border fences and using power gliders, but dismissed it as aspirational and beyond hamas's capabilities. the times reporting it's unclear if prime minister netanyahu or other senior leaders saw the report code named jericho wall. netanyahu denies he was warned of the attack. nbc news has not seen the report. the israeli military responded saying its focus now is on the war, and it will investigate later. the fighting is resuming as

hostages are still inside gaza. mia schem was one of the last hostages to get out. her mother first got word she was free by phone. then came the family reunion. 55 days in the making. there's now disappointment and anguish from israeli families whose hopes had started to rise that their relatives would be coming out too. caramel gatt, a 39-year-old occupational therapist visiting relatives at a kibbutz near gaza, and was kid naped along with her sister-in-law. caramel's cousin described his frustration and fears. >> it feels like it was a grand plan for hamas to keep some of the women and the men there so they could be kind of a human shield for hamas, and we are

very very stressful that they're going to use them, and even hurt them as a way of showing that the violence hurts the abductees. >> for more on that "new york times" reporting let's go to one of the journalists who saw that israeli document. joining us is the author of "rise and kill first," the secret service of israel's targeted assassinations. ronan, good to have you. who at least according to your reporting has seen it? >> it's about 40 pages. it's an order of an attack. it starts with a phrase from the koran saying if you walk through this gate and surprise the other side, the enemy, allah, god will bless you. i think it's clear why this phrase was used. this is the same phrase that

hamas now is using as part of the emblem of the operation on all of the statements and videos. it's a detailed plan. how to run down the fence, the fortified fence throughout the gaza-israeli border to break the fence in 60 different places. doing that, while creating diversion with massive bombardment of israel with mortars, rockets and missiles, using drones and par glides to neutralize, pinpoint, neutralize, the cameras, the machine guns, the intelligence and the communication hubs. in all of that, doing instantly, in order to pave the way, break the fence. and then run down the division,

the gaza division headquarters, that's where they are controlling the security and the safety. run it down, kill as many soldiers as possible. and then start to turn into concrete and destroying and killing the villages nearby. it's frightening because the level of -- not just because of the goal of the operation, but the level of intelligence that this document reflects about what hamas knew before october 7th about israel, about the secret arrangement of security along this highly sophisticated fence suggests that hamas had something beyond, and i don't know what the sort of intelligence, where it comes from, but it was not just open source. it was not just social media. it was not palestinians who came to work in israel and got told

of some information were recruited by hamas. this has at least bits and pieces of top secret intelligence. i'm sure in time, people will investigate how they got that. the problem with the document is not that it was not sent to many. it was shared with seniors, with analysts throughout the israeli intelligence community. but the assessment of the document is this is not a reflection of what hamas can do but a reflection of what hamas wants to do. this is, they called it a compass, one of the analysis papers written about order of jericho, a compass to the building of the force, so while they want to cross in 60 places, israeli intelligence assess that they can only cross in two places at the same time. while they want to have a force of 2,000 commandos in this

booklet, israeli intelligence assess they can only run 70 commandos. what they failed to understand was that they just, throughout the last two years narrowed their gap, until it reached its capacity. and ordering the invasion on october 7th. >> you talk about how many times this was rebuffed, this intelligence, this warning. you also mention a veteran analyst which signals intelligence. if anybody is paying attention to what signa intelligence in the united states, it's similar in israel, and she said that it matched what she was seeing in training exercises in gaza. this is just three months before october 7th. and she said, quote, it is a plan to start a war. it's not just a raid on a village. tell me about her. >> she puts an emphasis on an important point.

the units and there were units inside israeli intelligence, that were tasked to assess what are the chances hamas would attack today or tomorrow, and the size of forces, and the name of the units were raid units, meaning alert from raid. she said, it's not about a raid. it's not a small platoon going into one kibbutz or two military bases, it's about an invasion. this is a plan for an invasion, and she on july 6th, this year, she sends an e-mail, an encrypted e-mail on the server, on the system of israeli intelligence sharing with her colleagues and commanders and people at the southern front in the gaza division, and she is describing a hamas military drill, and she uses words like crazy, madness to the capabilities demonstrated there,

and to the size, the length. she says, we haven't seen anything like that. the drill was about conquering a kibbutz, an imaginative kibbutz, a dry run, they were not firing, and putting a flag on the synagogue of the kibbutz, and then imaginative military academy and kill all the cadets. when she described this in very vivid colors, the intelligence officers of the gaza division says this is wonderful work. it says gold intelligence, but says we need to make a differentiation between what hamas is doing just for show off, and what they are actually able to do. this scenario, this scenario of the drill is totally imaginative, and there's also a sense of hubris towards her, and she reacts with, you know, quite

i would say clear if not blunt language. and together with two of her colleagues in this exchange, she says, no, it's not imaginative. they have the capability, they have the capacity to do something like this. now, this is not alert from this is coming. she said, i don't know if they decided, but now we know that they have the capability. and as far as we know, maybe, you know, we'll be surprised again and again, but as far as we know, she and two of her colleagues were the only ones in the whole of the israeli intelligence community that saw it differently, that said this is not aspiration, this is not a dream plan. this is happening now. and this is one of the -- maybe the core of the mistakes that led to this catastrophe. >> a completely catastrophic mistake, as you said. ronen bergman, thank you for that, and thank you for bringing the reporting. it's so important to have the

person who saw the document tell us in detail what was in it. >> with my colleague adam goldman in "the new york times." took a little time, but i think they were able to describe behind the scenes of this catastrophe. >> it's significant. thank you to you both. and if anyone out there has not read it yet, i suggest you do. it's in "the new york times." joining us now to further this conversation, former israeli consul general, elon -- alon pinkas, and noga tarnopolsky. she's covered the conflict for more than two decades. i want to star with you, alon. how likely is it that somebody as senior as benjamin netanyahu would not have seen this? >> it's likely that he hasn't seen it because it was blocked several echelons under him, but that doesn't absolve him of the responsibility because the reason they ignored this stems

or is derived by from a policy that he dictated that hamas is deterred, that hamas does not pose a major military threat. that hamas intends to keep the status quo and strengthening hamas, via funneling funds and endorsements from several gulf states and a recipe that endorses and promotes in order to weaken the palestinian authority. so, katy, the possibility that he hasn't seen the document is very high. that in no way absolves or exempts him from accountability and responsibility for the policy that led to people ignoring that document. >> it also lines up with something we heard in the days after october 7th, noga, and you and i spoke about this, the

information from egypt. egypt claiming they told benjamin netanyahu. and the reporting still exists. what is the reaction in israel to this "new york times" report? >> the report has been mentioned during the course of the day, but because the war re-launched or re-started today, that has been much of the focus. know i have to say the fact of this document making waves across the sea in the united states has been the following the accident -- has been the focus of the mentions it has gotten here, something we've known in israel is now being heard abroad. >> the discomfort with benjamin netanyahu, where does it stand right now? how likely is it? i mean, every day that the war goes on, i think it's in

benjamin netanyahu's mind he can hold on to power longer. it's more likely if he wins the war, gets enough hostages back. is that the reality on the ground? are people turning to him more now or less. >> is that a question for me? >> yeah, noga. >> i have to tell you. i agree with you. i think he is clearly acting like someone who thinks he can ride this out. he's gone back to his old m.o. today he spent quite a bit of the day telling israelis he stood up to the united states, he stood up to secretary of state blinken who's been visiting, that returning to the war is his decision, although it appears likely that it really was hamas's decision, but i don't have a sense that israels are forgetting his responsibility or any of the top

echelons that had responsibility just yet. there was a really terrible in the heartbreaking sense protest today of bereaved family members, not family members of hostages, family members who have lost their loved ones, across from knesset today, and they were calling for him to simply be ousted. >> alon, the reason i focus so much on benjamin netanyahu, is it's such an important question for what happens after the war, after the fighting is done, and whether there's a two-state solution, what happens next in gaza. benjamin netanyahu and his allies have been adamant that a two-state solution is not possible. the u.s. is saying that's the only way out of this. my question is if he survives or doesn't survive wharks do you predict comes out of it? a more conservative government or a more moderate government and a leader that might be more open to negotiating a peace that

includes a free palestinian state. >> you asked five separate questions, katy, i'll try and answer them in bullet form. a, he's not going to survive this. there's no way in the world he's going to survive this. this may take one month, four months, it may take six months. he's not going to survive this. the public backlash is going to overwhelm him, and overwhelming his coalition, which will bring him down. the mechanics and how exactly that will happen, i don't know, and i don't want to go into that speculation. now, the question that you asked what happens if he's gone. if he stays, there's no two-state solution, no political process. there's nothing. we go back to the status quo, pre-october 7th. if he doesn't survive, as i think he won't, the question, katy, is whether or not there is

a new government from within the existing parliament or whether or not a new election is called. that changes the equation. now, a new government, which i think will be formed which would probably be, let's call it centrist, even if it tilts slightly to the right, would entertain ideas from the u.s. or ingrained ideas about the day after in gaza. short of a two-state solution but realizing or being cognizant that october 7th was such a devastating event and such a point of inflection in israel policy toward the palestinians that even with the anger, even with the animosity, even with the veng vengefulness that is

happening now, that cannot be sustained. >> alon pinkas, we'll have a longer conversation that doesn't involve shorter segments. i appreciate you coming on. noga tarnopolsky, same to you, your insight is invaluable to us. coming up next, we have other news to report. what just happened to george santos' office on capitol hill. plus what a federal judge in washington says donald trump is not exempt from. we are back in 60 seconds.

that didn't take long. here is security at the capitol changing the locks on george santos' congressional office. only a couple of hours after he was officially expelled from congress, which he clearly expected since you can see him right here wearing his overcoat to the floor for the vote. santos is only the sixth house lawmaker to be kicked out. proving there are still some standards in washington.

joining us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent, ryan nobles, so what happens next? >> reporter: there's going to be a special election to replace george santos in new york's third congressional district which is part of queens and a lot of long island. the governor of new york has already said she will announce when the special election will take place within the next ten days as she's required to by law. and we were out in the district today to try and get a pulse and an idea of what some of george santos' now former constituents think about his removal, and here's a little sample of what they told us. >> he got what he deserved. he got what he asked for. you know, it's as simple as that. he tried to push the envelope. he went right out the window. >> i think it's a long time coming. i think this district has gone through a lot of just noise in the media and everything that's going on. i think there's been a loss of focus on really some of the important issues.

>> reporter: this really changes the dynamics in the house. republicans only have a three-seat majority. they're going to lose another congressman from ohio in the new year, and what happens with kevin mccarthy, does he stay in his place? it could mean in a couple of weeks or months, republicans have a one-seat majority, if you thought this wasn't already dysfunctional. >> that would be the ultimate kevin mccarthy revenge, wouldn't it. joining us now is colin allred, congressman, thank you very much. this does show there are some standards left in washington. why did it get to a third vote? do you think it's fair to expel him given that he has not yet been convicted? >> well, i thought that the previous vote before the ethics committee can concluded its investigation, issued their report, that was a little premature. i along with other people who had kind of the constitutional principles in mind voted not to expel then. after the report has come out, and it's so damming, the due

process has been served, it was time for him to go. >> what was so damming in the report for you? >> well, you know, i think the abuse of the public's trust, of course. but also bringing, you know, disrepute on the institution. and at some point, we are supposed to police ourselves. we're a separate branch of the government, have him declared guilty, we can do this ourselves, say this person is not becoming, shouldn't be a part of the body. >> there's a lot of talk about precedent set. other people who have been indicted with evidence against them resigned before it got to a point where they would need to be expelled. how do you build back trust? george santos is one of the ways people have looked to the institution and said what is going on there? >> you're right. we're seeing an attack on institutions because of folks like this. they're attacking fundamental ideas f you're going to run for

office, you'll do it with some sense of honor, some sense of shame, and if something happens, you'll resign yourself. we should have never had to expel mr. santos. i think we can restore trust, but taking us removing politicians out there, like ted cruz who i'm running against. >> you are in texas. let me ask you about the presidential election. do you think president biden is going to be able to take on donald trump if donald trump is the nominee? are you sure that he can win? >> there's nothing unusual about an incumbent running for election. i think the last time that happened was fdr, and so it's strange to me, the grip that he seems to have on that party, and also i was there on january 6th. i took off my suit coat and thought i was going to defend a door. you're the former line backer in the room, with legislatures, that's probably going to fall to you.

this shouldn't be something we should be considering. >> why do you think you can beat ted cruz? >> e with can't afford six more years of ted cruz misrepresenting us. i was raised by a single mom who was a public schoolteacher, i know who we are. we are not what ted cruz says we are. we have to bring together a coalition of folks who want to have a senator who cares about them, not podcasting three times a week, doing whatever you can to pit us against. go to colinallred.com. >> thanks for helping us out. we appreciate it. it was quite a day. >> quite a day. thanks. for crimes he was alleged to have committed would be election interference. donald trump's lawyer argued that in georgia. will the judge agree or schedule the trial. it's all being argued right now. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. . ♪

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donald trump found out today being president at the time of the january 6th attack does not exempt him from being held civilly liable for what happened that day. a number of police officers and lawmakers are suing the former president for damages, alleging he incited the riot at the capitol. trump appealed to get out of it, but the three-judge panel unanimously denied his request. joining us now, nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly, and nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. so, ryan, this is a big deal, the started in a civil case is not as high as a criminal case, so these capitol hill police officers and lawmakers are saying what exactly? >> this can move forward, basically. there are a lot of these litigations that are making their way through the system. it's tough to keep track of how much litigation there is surrounding this. you have obviously the four criminal cases, and all of these cases working through the civil cases as well. but, you know, this is obviously something that they feel as though he bears responsibility

for, and they want to be able to move this forward. >> what sort of damages are they looking for? >> a lot. this has had a huge impact on their lives, you know, january 6th destroyed a lot of careers, people were taken out of the game, had to retire early, had significant damages. there's someone that lost a thumb that day. officers died by suicide afterwards, more than 100 officers were injured that day, significantly, you know, that night on january 6th, they went down to the clinic to get aid, and they were overwhelmed. they couldn't take care of all of them then. there have been significant impacts, physically, and that's setting aside the emotional toll. >> donald trump appeals, who was sitting on the panel. >> a judge appointed by president obama, president clinton, and judge appointed by then president donald trump. and they all agreed that donald trump was acting not as a president when he was trying to overturn the election but a candidate and private citizen, and therefore he can't dismiss the lawsuit on those grounds and

it was a significant ruling because it has impact for the criminal cases as well. >> why? >> because he's going to make the same arguments. it's not analogous, there's a different standard, but you have three learned appeals court judges saying flatly he was acting, as far as we can tell prima fascia as private citizens. >> the lawsuits are going forward? >> i don't think we have anything on the calendar at this point but yeah, obviously the criminal trial, the big one is mainly the one with jack smith, set to go forward in march. really about clock management. if you were to go to trial in march, let's take donald trump's lawyers at his word, they think that he's going to be convicted in d.c. they think he can not get a fair trial in d.c., so if you move that out and say, okay, he would be convicted in d.c., when would the sentencing be. you're looking at august, before

we actually go to the polls. if he were theoretically to be convicted. and then sentenced, then, you know, you're looking at a few months, typically, but obviously there's a bunch of things you can throw into gear. i think basically it's a spaghetti at the wall strategy to try to throw sand in the gears to slow this. >> delay, delay, delay, we're seeing that in georgia, where donald trump's lawyers are arguing right now, and the racketeering case about election interference, bringing a trial would interfere with the election. is that a legit argument? >> a remarkable argument that was made by steven, donald trump's lawyer, this would be the most, i'm paraphrasing, the most significant election interference in the history of the united states to have a person running for president detained essentially in a courtroom. that turns everything on its head. donald trump chose to run for president. he's a criminal defendant. you don't get out of a prosecution card by being a

candidate. >> if you take that to the logical conclusion, are they arguing he can commit any crime while running for office, and can't be tried for any crime at all because he's a political candidate? >> there is a concept that the head of state is immune from prosecution or from civil action, they're trying to extend that to him being a candidate or nominee. the judge in florida did entertain that, and what about that. they didn't have a great answer. we're not trying interfere with the election. the judge raised, what if he's elected president, can the trial go forward, and they didn't have a good answer for that. >> do we know when they will set a trial date? >> the prosecution said august. obviously the trump team is resist thag. and there are a lot of other defendants at play. it depends on what happens with the jack smith case. >> ken dilanian, ryan reilly,

thank you very much. and joining us now, former manhattan assistant district attorney and nbc news legal analyst, catherine christian. what do you make of the judge looking at the prosecution and saying, well, what about it? >> i thought this judge did a very good job. he was very thoughtful and fair, and it is a question. the defense says this is election interference, and you can't do this. the judge says, what is your response, and i agree. i don't think they were prepared for the judge to ask them that. they said this is not election interference. the judge asked mr. trump's attorney, suppose he's not the nominee, and i think the attorney's response was, well, he's leading in the polls, so the judge didn't make a decision, and i agree with your great reporters there, you can't say to defendants throughout

this country who are not former presidents, you have things to do, too bad, you're a criminal defendant on trial. say to donald trump, because you're running for president, you get to have your trial after the election assuming that he is the nominee. so the judge did not make a decision. >> it wouldn't be significant precedent to say that if you're a political candidate basically you can get away with anything. doesn't that just seed the ground to say you can commit any crime while running for office? >> it says you're above the law, you know, and in this country you're not supposed to be above the law. assuming he is the nominee to just sort of, first of all, the other defendants, remember there are 15 defendants left. so you basically say you have to go to trial because you're not running for office, but donald trump doesn't have to have his trial. i thought it was interesting that the judge asked the defense

attorney whether or not his client, mr. trump, intended to be there the whole time, and that's sort of unheard of. a defendant has been to be at their trial the entire time. so i thought that was an interesting question that the judge asked mr. trump's attorney. >> what do you think he was trying to get at with that question? >> i think he, again, i don't know this judge, is basically saying there's a possibility if he is the nominee, they'll allow him to not be there and be on the campaign and back. that is reading tea leaves. that's an odd question. criminal defendants have to be at their trial. donald trump is not really at his civil trials except when he wants to put on a show or testifying. a criminal defendant has to attend their trial. >> do you expect to get a trial date from judge mcafee anytime soon? >> i think so. he was sort of saying if there

were a normal case, august 8th would be just fine, but it isn't. he asked the prosecutors, how much time do you think you'll need to get your subpoenas and everything ready, and they said a month before voir dire, which is jury selection. so, you know, i think he's probably going to stick to that august date that the prosecutors requested, particularly as more defendants, and i believe they will, plead guilty. >> catherine christian, thanks for being with us. coming up, she was the first female justice to the supreme court. what sandra day o'connor said was the hardest part of the job. a look back at her life after the break. e after the break. and things to do. that's why you choose glucerna to help manage blood sugar response. uniquely designed with carbsteady. glucerna. bring on the day! ( ♪♪ ) we're still going for that nice catch.

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this morning, the supreme court announced its first female justice, sandra day o'connor, died at the age of 93. nbc news correspondent laura jarrett has the life and legacy of a trail blazing legal mind. >> keeping a campaign promise to put the first woman on the supreme court, ronald reagan nominated sandra day o'connor in 1981 the daughter of an arizona rancher, she came highly recommended as a conservative. . >> my own view in the area of abortion is that i am opposed to it as a matter of birth control

or otherwise. >> as a justice, at first she criticized the roe v. wade abortion ruling but later joined the majority in a series of cases upholding abortion rights in the '90s. her every action was scrutinized attention she would later say was intimidating. >> it's thrilling to do something, the first woman to serve on the court, but it's dreadful if you're the last, and if i didn't do the job well, that's what would happen. >> during her 24 years on the court, o'connor became less tied to a single judicial philosophy. she was sometimes with the conservatives, approving tax paid vouchers for students at religious schools, voting to end the recount between george w. bush and al gore and advocating for states rights over federal control. >> there is a role that remains for the states, and i am a

believer in that designated role. >> but she joined the court's liberals in upholding affirmative action in college admissions, creating more congressional districts with african-american voters in the majority, and keeping a wall of separation between government and religion. o'connor was a frequent guest at washington's social events, often dancing with her husband john, and met with student groups, especially young women around the country. but at age 75, she abruptly announced her intention to step down for health reasons. not hers but her husband's. she became an advocate for medical research. >> my beloved husband, john, suffers from alzheimer's. he's had it for a long time now, and he's not in very good shape. >> john o'connor died at age 79 in 2009. she remained active, urging states to do away with elections for judges, which she said made the courts too political. sandra day o'connor was a pioneer, the first female

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an expiratn of 2023, the technology is expanding so quickly. instead because of how contentious things are in congress, it got attached to these funding bills. they're only alive as far as the next cr, which expires february 2nd, and it affects how they can plan for the future and higher. >> dhs is warning congress, have any of these officials gone to lawmakers, anyone testifying about the need to maybe carve these out of these giant bills and pass them separately? >> certainly, and they're having demos where they're showing us this technology. it's this big public push as well to alert people about how scarey this is, and there are some bills on the hill that are trying to take these out of the funding bills and give themexte. but right now, none of that has gotten guaranteed. >> so, what is the -- i mean, what's the hold-up? what would the pushback be here? are there any concerns about this -- these programs from lawmakers? >> no, it's just basically a prism, a window into how crazy things have gotten on the hill where these no-brainer policies

can't get through. they've become tied to funding bills now rather than having their own vehicles. >> who would oppose them being separated out? >> no one. they may have some things that they want to change, but you're right, no one is standing in the way and saying, we need to fight this. >> there's just not a leader that's actually doing the work of taking them out and putting them to the floor. >> we're talking about other issues, as you see. there's a lot of focus on border security. but it does matter, especially when it comes to what they're able to give state and local law enforcement when it comes to detecting things like biological weapons, chemical weapons. there was a police officer in houston recently who, because of this equipment from dhs, was able to detect radio logical waste that if that had fallen into the wrong hands could have been deadly to a huge group of people. they won't have that equipment. >> i've gone out with the jttf in new york, and they've shown me these, you know, tiny little scanners that the cops can hold on them and this is basically how they detect -- could detect

a dirty bomb. it's how they keep the brooklyn bridge safe, et cetera. is it that sort of technology? >> that technology will still exist. they're not going to come take it back, but they won't be developing new technology. they have some of the nation's best minds looking into this, figuring out how to keep up with emerging threats and that could be obsolete. we should realize this is what's on the line. >> julia ainsley, thank you for scaring me. >> all the good news for you, katy. >> great friday story. good to have you. coming up next, the moment one of the 17 thai nationals kidnapped by hamas got home. ions kidnapped by hamas got home. the first inkling that something was wrong was i started to notice that i couldn't do things without losing my breath. i couldn't make it through the airport, and every like 20 or 30 yards i had to sit down and get my breath. every physical exertion seemed to exhaust me. and finally, i went to the hospital where i was diagnosed with afib.

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one of the three palestinian students shot in vermont. he sat down with nbc to describe what happened. >> we walked around the block, and on the way back, across the sidewalk, we see this man standing on his porch, looking away, and. he turned around, and as soon as he saw us, he ran down the steps, pulled out a pistol and started shooting. he first shot my friend, which i soon heard the thud of his body on the ground and heard him start screaming and that was my signal to run. then i soon heard another pistol

shot while running, and his thud hit the for so, i jumped the fence, and i believe that's when he shot me. >> his mother was also interviewed. she told stephanie gosk that she thinks it's absolutely clear that was a hate crime. also coming up lateronight in additional news, there's a documentary called -- nbc news special reportalled "fear and faith: palestinians in america." nbc reports on violence and harassment targeting the palestinian american community since the start of the israel-hamas war. it airs at 9:00 p.m. eastern, streaming on nbc news now. and along with more than 200 israelis, hamas also kidnapped multiple foreign workers, including at least 32 thai citizens. 17 have since been freed and returned to thailand. nbc's janis mackey frayer shows us their emotional return home. >> reporter: when anusha reached

the village, his uncle didn't say a word. instead, he carried him to a hero's welcome of relatives and friends. after weeks of not knowing if anusha had been taken hostage by hamas militants or worse. it was a real torture, he says. the 47th day i was there, they said, thailand, go home. anusha is one of 17 thai farm workers released so far. he's seen in this hamas video being handed over by militants in a deal separate from the one to release israelis. the october 7th attack by hamas on israeli communities and farms left dozens of thai workers dead or missing. video showed several of them hiding under a truck. at least nine thais are still inside gaza. half a world away at bangkok's

airport, families had counted down the days to this. thai government officials went to israel to bring the freed workers home. anusha's wife, too excited to sleep the night before. i had to be patient and control my emotions, she says. i can't describe how i feel. but for many, the joy of coming back is also bittersweet. i ask everyone to take a moment to mourn, he says, of the friends who didn't make it. most of the 30,000 thai migrants in israel are from this poor region in thailand's northeast. anusha's family holding a ceremony believed by thais to return a soul that's been scared off by trauma. i don't know what to say, but i'm happy, he says. now that he's reunited with his daughter. for now, he has no plans to ever go back to israel. or to be anywhere, he says, but home.