restrictions on abortion. >> i have to get some time to work. >> reporter: the first woman on the court, also the first mother. she had three boys with her husband john. whom she left the court to care for in 2006 when he was diagnosed with alzheimer's. later, she too was diagnosed with the disease. she also battered cancel. reflecting at one point on what that fight taught her. >> i think i learned from it to appreciate in treasure each day. you do not know how many you will be given. make those that you do have count. our thanks to laura jarrett for that report. a lot more coming up folks. you're watching msnbc. our second hour starts right now. hey, everybody. i am yasmin vossoughian if you are just mourning. welcome if you are sticking with us, we are thankful with that. we are live on the ground of the israeli offensive is back

on in gaza. deadly attack, those in the south. really forces are headed that way. this is the israeli government faced with tough questions today about what it knew in when after reports from the nbc news in the new york times that intelligence about what hamas was planning, and when. also today the fallout from the historic vote in congress to remove george santos. it may have been information shared by one of his colleagues that sealed his fate. also this, our donald trump hitting the campaign trail in iowa. the will wake up two losses on his claims of immunity due to presidential -- and we will speak with charles blow about his new documentary, from south to power. we want to start this hour in the middle east for prime minister benjamin netanyahu wrapped up the prime -- as israeli forces wrap up operations in gaza. here's some of what was said.

>> translator: we maintain a very firm negotiation under fire, from morning tonight. i discussed extensively with president biden. we exerted pressure on the mediators in order to improve the outline. >> joining me now msnbc news correspondent david noriega on the ground for us in tel aviv. okay, there are -- okay. i am getting some breaking news from our control room. hence the reason why i paused for a second. we are getting air raid sirens on the ground in israel. david noriega had to seek safety. we are gonna get back to him in just a moment. we certainly want to check in on what has been happening over the 24 hours or so. we want to bring in, for now, david miller a former arab israeli negotiator for the state department who now serves at the -- thank you for being ready for. us >> thanks for having me. >> covering war is certainly a very difficult thing to do.

coupling that with law television is also difficult, and with the aryan times going on. thank you. i want to talk, first, about the new york times reporting in what we are getting here at nbc, as well. the new york times essentially laying out that israel had caught wind of these plans by hamas to carry out something pretty similar to what happened on october 7th. nbc news is now learninghat our reporting suggesting it was three months. either way, this reporting suggests that they had a heads up. what do you make of it? who should be held responsible? >> as a former intelligence analyst i know that even though the dots may be present, connecting the dots is critically important. in this case, and one analyst in particular connected the dots and laid out a pretty compelling scenario. but that is not all that is required. you need to get the connected dots and develop a consensus in the develop in the community

and present it to the decision-makers. i think that in this case, it was incredibly credible but there was very little consensus among the israeli military intelligence, hamas had the intention or the capability to pull off the sort of operation. i think it was a failure, in the end, of imagination. to imagine that hamas actually had the capacity to do this. it is not surprising at all to me that this never made it to the decision-makers, particularly the prime minister. >> who should be held responsible? >> there will be a state commission of inquiry, as there was a 1973. that took 60 months to file an interim report. the meir government, even though the prime minister was not held accountable, the prime minister resigned in the face of public pressure. i have very little doubt, particularly since this involves the death of so many

civilians, that the current government of israel, the current prime minister of israel, will ultimately held responsible. if you and i are talking next year at the time i think -- i would make a bet that this government will not be in power. >> we are getting word the israeli officials have withdrawn from negotiations, they have left the table, they have left qatar. what does that signal to you about the possibility of a future pauses, future hostage exchanges? >> i think as long as there are hostages the prospect of reopening that channel, hostages for prisoners, is probably going to happen at some point. the problem is in that instance our understanding is the deals broke down. israelis and wanted the women, which they were prioritizing. hamas said they either didn't have them or they failed to deliver them. i think it didn't help that

these rallies, three were killed in jerusalem and hamas claimed responsibility for it. the israeli military is traumatized by their responsibility for what happened on october 7th. it is eager, i think, to get back to a ground campaign to see if they can fulfill their objectives. which is to destroy hamas's military capacity above and below ground. i think that is what we are about to witness in the days and weeks ahead. maybe months. maybe the months ahead. >> we know that the biden administration, secretary blinken who was in israel over the last few days, urging as they resume this war as a resume this fighting to minimize civilian deaths. not only in gaza city in the north but in the south as they are striking the south, as well. secretary blinken at one point said that they must account for innocent civilians. i'm not quite sure what that means or how the idf intends to

do that. i will say this, the idf has published a map. on its website showing a 25 mile long densely populated gaza strip. it is split into hundreds of tiny, as you can see on between their, numbered zones. the military has said, er, this map was intended to enable residents to, quote unquote, evacuate from targeted areas. what do you kef this? is this enough? >> look, i look at that map an the logic behind it is, presumably, if you have a q r code and you have internet accessibility, and power, you could be notified to move from area to 39 to 2 40 to 41. that could be a kilometer, it could be two kilometers. it will detach you from whatever humanitarian assistance you are receiving. how long will there be food? will there be shelter there for you? whether this is performative or not, i don't know. i do not believe the government

or the military is willfully trying to kill civilians. i do believe, however, that they are determined to get at hamas. i do not see how you do that, operating in highly dense populated areas. gathers 21,000 humans per square mile. in rafah, it is even more dense. i don't know how you do that and keep civilian safe. that is the real challenge. -- >> sorry, i didn't mean to cut you off. i want to read from a piece that you wrote to the president over the last month or so since the ocber 7th attacks. how he has performed as president, as a go-between. you say this. despite all of the criticism and the grim dust hole among palestinian and israelis and given the constraints with things beyond his conol biden has fared pretty well so far in preserving u.s. interests and preventing matters from getting worse. where the crisis where so many

moving parts that is no small achievement. can you talk to me more about this? >> that judgment my coauthor stephen simon has already raised a lot of controversy. 15,000 palestinians dead. gaza as a humanitarian catastrophe. how can you give the president high marks given vote realities. given who joe biden is, given the terrorist surge in october 7th. given the fact that without bidens intersection you would've had no hostages returned. without biden's intersection there would've been no aid getting into southern gaza. without bidens intersection i suspect having dissuaded the israelis from preempting in the early days of this conflict against hezbollah and lebanon, they could've triggered a broader war. i think the president, on balance, all of the constraints is doing about all he can do. he is not going to be able,

unless he is prepared to shank shun the israelis, not just advise and impose consequences on them. but if he sales to he the menstruation's warning on minimizing civilian deaths, he was not prepared to do that. he is not going to dissuade these rallies from their objectives giving the trauma they've been through. i do not believe, frankly, whether it was republican or democratic president. i have worked in both administrations. american presidents do not, as a rule, like to fly with israeli prime ministers. in a non crisis situation, or in a crisis situation. it is awkward, it is messy, you can be costly. and largely, frankly, it never works and that i think is a dilemma that the administration is going to face >> aaron david miller, as always, we value your analysis on this, thank

you i want to go now to david noriega where a raid sirens sounded minutes ago. he had to seek safety. he is back in front of the camera now. david, thank you for joining us. thankfully all is good. the prime minister spoke today as a whole lot is unfolding with military operations resuming in the report from nbc news in the new york times that the warnings of more attacks by hamas. and you talk us more on what you have heard from the prime minister today? >> reporter: these are extremely important, potentially consequential reports we are hearing. there was some pointing early in the war indicating that israel was not as entirely caught by surprise by this attack is a initially themed. this is potentially politically consequential because netanyahu was deeply unpopular in israel the general sense on the ground they only have him in power because he is prosecuting this war. if you were to lose an important part of the coalition

and be forced to run an election he would almost certainly would lose it. for now israeli authorities are not responding to the substance of this reporting. they are saying that they need to finish fighting this war. and then we'll turn to investigating whatever failures need to be investigator on that day. back to you. >> as the idf, dave, it is picking up this offensive we are also learning that israeli officials have withdrawn from negotiations. that ithey have left qatar, thee no longer at the table. where does that leave us especially when it comes to negotiating the release of these mermaiding hostages? >> the way things stand now the mediations are dead and they do not show any signs of picking back up again anytime soon. that is despite pressure from the u.s., pressure from the qataris. both israel and hamas are saying either they won't negotiate or they are saying they will only negotiate in the terms that it is highly unlikely the sides will meet. in the meantime we have the military offensive picking up

quite intensely in gaza. the idf says it has struck more than 400 targets over the resumed hostilities the gaza health ministry says that more than 20 people have died, most of whom they say are civilian, women and children. the idf says it does not target civilians. it also point to the fact that it is given residents of gaza, particularly people in southern ghana, many of whom were displaced from the north, detailed orders on where to evacuate. however, we have teams on the ground inside gaza who have been interviewing people over the past couple of days. they have asked people this question of how they've been told to evacuate. i want to play you clips from a couple of those interviews because i think it gives you a sense of how people are responding to the possibility of needing to evacuate again. take a listen. of needing to evacuate again take a listen. >> reporter: there is nowhere safe. where do we go? we are not going to the north. we are going to stay where we are. this is displacement. >> reporter: in my opinion,

this is displacement. >> translator: people will die in khan yunis because they cannot leave. >> reporter: people in gaza are afraid. not only that they will pick up casualties from this war but also that they might be permanently displaced. back to you. >> david, quickly here as you had to leave your position, your camera, because of the aerate siren earlier, can you talk us through what happened? >> it's funny, i have been here for about two weeks. most of the time has been dedicated to reporting on the cease-fire graham and. the actual cease-fire itself and then the exchange of hostages. this is not the first time i've been in tel aviv when the sirens gone off. this is by far the closest i have been. this is really my first experience with that. it's a clear indication of the fact that this is, once again, a country at war. obviously the way we experience this from tel aviv is very different than the way it experienced from the people

bearing the brunt of it gaza. but it is alarming. >> dave noriega, thank you. we appreciate it. coming up in just 60 seconds, george santos gets the boot from congress. we will take you to his district and see how voters are responding. and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. only on verizon. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. welcome back.

george santos has been formally expelled from congress. he is certainly not going quietly. tweeting that he will file ethics reports across four republicans. however, as a private citizen those complaints could have a lot less impact. joining me now -- part of what was santos's district. arizona, start with you. what do we know about those complaints that santos is threatening? how did yesterday exactly unfold? >> we are getting some reaction to these threats, if you will, from santos. we should back up. this santos expulsion really

picked up steam with the health ethics committee that found she appeared to have broken several federal laws during his 2022 campaign. there were members of the house waiting for that report, waiting for that before deciding where they stood on whether santa should be allowed to be stay in congress are not. santos saw the writing on the wall yesterday as that vote was coming to the house floor. in the end we know that more than two thirds of the members, the proportion needed to expel a congressman decided that santa needed to go. we saw him on the floor there in dramatic fashion. throwing his overcoat on. walking off the floor as the vote was coming to a close yesterday afternoon. 311 members voted in favor of his removal. at that moment he was no longer a member of congress. his name was removed from his office. the locks were changed as the afternoon rolled on. we know at this point the former congressman went on to x, the former trader platform, and city plan to file ethics complaint from four congressman

from his area. mike lawler, nicole melia talk, is all republicans of new york. robin and, as a democrat of new jersey. we have heard from some of their offices at this point calling santos a serial liar, a con man. essentially saying they're not going to waste the time worrying about him too much. there was a statement from representative menendez's office. part of that saying that we would not expend any energy responding to his botox fueled fits of rage. we will see if in fact santos does file these complaints with the house ethics office on monday. and if that actually mean something, what it means, exactly, coming from a private citizen now. >> those are some fighting words. aaron gilchrist, thank you. appreciate. a great, you are in the district that santos represented, past tense. how are residents they're reacting? how are >> good afternoon, yasm. the way that voters in this district are reacting to the santas activation in his

removal from congress is they are really looking for some transparency. they're looking to turn a new page, a new leaf so to speak. the way they're hoping to do that is, of course, with a new special election. according to new york state law the way that special election will take place is new york governor kathy hochul is legally required to declare that special election in ten days. that special election will take place 70 to 80 days after the governor's declaration. when we spoke to some of these voters, the one thing they're looking for in candidates, whether it is a republican a democrat, is someone who's going to talk about the issues that they really want to. dressed inflation, the economy, crime. take a listen to some of the things they had to say a little bit earlier today. >> anwar's radically pleas that he was finally going to be taken out. he should have been taken out immediately. >> i thought he deserved a. at the same time i almost feel sad for him. going through what he's going through. but he hasn't shown any remorse

at all. it is hard to feel sorry for him. >> i don't think it is a positive thing for this district. it kind of is a stain on history. it can't be erased. it is unfortunate that this is what we are known for now. >> it is also important, abyad man, this is a district that although democrats have had a lot of success here in the past, joe biden won this district in 2020 by eight points. before santos it was represented by democrats for ten years. every person in this area is looking for someone who will address their needs. we know that this is going to be a district that will get a lot of bipartisan support because it could be a harbinger of what we could expect it november 2024. house democrats are looking to take control of the house again they know this is something they are gonna be keeping a close eye on. yasmin? >> greg hyatt, thank you. appreciated. still ahead, a live report from the reagan national defense

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former president donald trump just wrapped up the first two campaign events in iowa today. just one day after suffering two major legal losses in his january 6th case. first the federal appeals court ruled the former president can be sued for inciting the january 6th attack at the capitol. then, hours later, judge

chutkan denied trump's motion to deny his -- based on a claim of, quote unquote, presidential immunity. he's expected to appeal both of those rulings. our nbc joshua birds joining us for the former president will hold his second event at 4:00. good to talk to you again. what have you been hearing from the trump camp after he had those legal decisions against him? >> a few things here, yasmin. and they are responding formerly to these rulings in terms of the federal appea court, a trump spokesperson calling that ruling, quote, limited, narrow, and procedural. amping up the rhetoric and response to judge chutkan's ruling in that d.c. criminal case calling it the radical decrs and president joe biden trying to set dangerous precedents that would cripple future presidential administrations in our country as a whole in their death or effort to interfere in the 2024 presidential election. that is important to know,

yasmin. while trump is facing, himself, multiple charges in terms of his own efforts in 2022 allegedly interfere in the 2020 election, facing legal charges here, he is trying to claim that the biden administration is trying to interfere with the 2024 election. i want to show you a photo of a new sign that is starting to make its rotation into trump events. we noticed him today at the event here. biden attacks democracy. i think that this might be a preview of the rhetoric that is going to start to appear more and more on the campaign trail as trump starts to battle, politically, what we are seeing him fight legally in the courts. about a politically on the campaign trail saying that it is not him. it is not him that is a threat to democracy, it is president biden. though, of course, he is

someone dealing with the mountain of evidence being brought by special counsel jack smith. and, of course, multiple other civil and criminal charges here, yasmin. that is a great transition to our next guest and what he sees as a threat of the reelection of donald trump. we appreciate it. with less than a year now until the 2024 election the former president continues to alone how he would be in power if he was in fact reected. others are downplaying this concern. new york times columnist charles blow writes this. in the view of many of these viewers even with all of his evident falls, trump isn't so bad. and what he did in officeis increasingly remembered as positive. thehreat trump poses has not diminished it has increased he is more open about his plans to alter the country in the form of government is he is returned to the white house. yet some americans simply are

not registering that threat as having the potential to harm in a way that obviously can. joining us now is near time colin isn't emma's nbc political analyst charles blow to talk more about this. it was a really interesting piece charles you talk about how some americans are not necessarily registering the accomplishments of the biden administration. in a way they are romanticizing with the former president. yet the former president has repeatedly said, as you know in your piece, what he would do if he was reelected. talk more about this and why you think we are now here. >> right. we are talking about slivers of the electorate. those people are very clear about what the threat is. there are some people for whom they are left out of this. or they feel left out of the system. whenever bad happens, they

don't feel like we can get much worse for them. and the good things they want to feel the good things immediately. wan tothere are still a group of people who romanticize the stimulus checks that people got. they called them trump checks because trump insisted on having his name on them even after he and republicans resisted voting for them. democrats push those checks or they associate that with him. it was immediate. right? this is money that came in the mail it went into my bank account. i saw in. is a different thing than an infrastructure bill. there is a bridge that we will now build a bridge. ten years from now we will have this bridge. there will be jobs associated with that. by the time all of that happens the association with the democrats and biden getting that pushed through diminishes and it's distant so much that he may not even get credit for. there is just a disconnect in the electorate with all of the

things. >> while i have you, charge, on a talk about the documentary. it is incredibly important. it is entitled self to black power. it's actually based on a book that you put out just two years or so ago, called the w. now. let's play a little bit of your documentary and then we will talk. >> what if we skip over all the pleating and the begging and the marching and the shower and go straight to the power? >> reporter: during the great migration 6 million black people left the south for cities in the north and west. i suggest the black people return to the states with the highest percentages, already, a black people. where they can gain political power. >> if we are gonna make a go of it the south makes a lot of sense. >> i was shaken, nervous, even afraid about leaving new york for atlanta. i had to convince myself this is what we must do as black people. >> i think that it is so

fascinating, this idea. i'm wondering as you work through this documentary, what you found when it came to what it means to reclaim the political power for black americans? but it could mean for the future? >> the topography is uneven across the south. there are nine states that i think could be prime candidates for this. some of them are just not -- i didn't get the sense that they were there psychologically. they couldn't taste it. there were some states, like georgia where i am now, where they have tasted what their power could mean in elections. you see it everywhere. the imagery round voting. them being able to flip a state. knowing that that was them. the coalition to delivered this state for biden and they delivered two democratic senators, led by black people. they know it! e. th even when the georgia

legislator trying to suppress that voting after 2018, going up to 2022, they simply overwhelmed the system. they reelected warnock. that is the fascinating thing. once people understand or get a taste and realize that this is not fantastic. this is not a dream, pie in the sky, kind of thing. the black population of georgia doubled from 19 90 to 2020. that made more people to organize. those people got active in those people did something. that is proof of concept. it shows them people understand for themselves that they have a power in that state. that is transformative, psychologically as well as politically. >> you also mentioned that this isn't for everybody. he spoke with people throughout the documentary if they're up in the north, they are safe, they are thriving, this may not

be for you and that's okay. who is this for? >> well most migrations of any sort or generally undertaken by young people. but this is definitely for people who don't feel safety. people who feel like they can get a step into wealth building in the form of being able to afford homeownership. people who feel like the educational system is not serving them because of the segregation that exists in many of these northern and western cities. chicago's hypersonic are gated. new york city has the most degree to public school system in america! there are people in those cities who are doing incredibly well because they are wealthy. or middle class. but there is a whole group of people who are not doing well. when you look at the black poverty rate in new york city, it is comparable to the black poverty rate in mississippi. maybe you can get by on $60,000

a year in mississippi but you can't in new york! there are some people who it is just not serving them. they do not feel -- you do not have to suffer through that. believing that that is the only place you have to be. >> the hbo original documentary film, south to black power is now available to stream on max. charles blow, thank you, i appreciate it. coming up everyone, breaking news out of israel as air raid sirens sound we will take you to a major difference form in california. where what is going on in gaza that the top of the docket. one of three palestinian -- shot interim on a speaking. out here what they are saying about the attack that many are calling it a crime. like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could be something more serious called attr-cm, a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time.

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we moments ago heard from secretary of defense, lloyd austin. he gave a little bit of news on israel. what you were just talking about. he said -- the keynote speaker, he didn't take any questions. as part of his remarks he said that he has personally pushed the israeli defense forces to ensure that they minimize civilian casualties in the fight against hamas. despite the fact that much of the topic of conversation today has been about china and russia israel continues to creep in. here on china, that is one thing that we're hearing a lot about. the threat from china. this is the tenth anniversary of the reagan international defense forum. for the first time at this event today there is even a panel specifically addressed the idea of the threat to the western hemisphere here in the homeland. the threat from china and how that is manifesting. everything from economic threat to the fact that china is trying to build up some of its infrastructure in space, in ports, inland, all across the continental u.s..

that had been one of the big topics of conversation. i'm sure you are not surprised to hear that israel is also, so many people talking about here. >> russia, quickly, as well. i actually moderated a panel a couple of days ago with ambassador thomas pickering who is a giant in diplomacy for the last 40 plus years or so. we talked a lot about the threat from russia. as we are not looking in on keeping our eye on what is happening in ukraine and russia because we are wanting israel-hamas. russia certainly creeping further and further to ukraine. can you talk about the potential threat we are seeing from russia now? a possible expansion of this war as we are watching what is taking place between eugene on hamas. are watching what is>> i have ts another thing that has been a topic of conversation. here last, year obviously, ukraine and russia were and enormous part of the discussion here. today what we are hearing more about with regard to ukraine's funding. members of congress are here,

members of the administration. there is definitely a tension over the continued funding of ukraine and what that is going to look. like that is not a surprise to anyone who has been watching the continued spending fight and funding fight going on in d.c. for the past weeks now. but that is another thing i've been subscription -- when we are talking about ukraine a lot of it goes to the funding. again, the fact that israel is so much in the news right now, it really has knocked some of the ukraine conversation off here. i will say i had a panel today with general nakasone, the head of the national security agency, we don't hear very much from him. it is the quietest combatant commands in the u.s. military. what he talked about was the threat from both russia and from china here in the western hemisphere. here is what he had to say. >> the longer term threat truly is the corrosive influence of china and russia. think about the diplomatic -- military economic influences that both nations are having in

our southern border and, certainly, in the hemisphere. if we think about it, our national security our national prosperity, our national identity, it's tiebreak low to this region. sometimes we forget that. >> we will also hear from the chairman of the joint chiefs general c.q. brown into the few moments and we will hear any news out of that, yasmin. >> kube, we appreciate. it the shooting of three palestinian students in burlington, vermont, left the victims and their family shaken. today, an area hospital or saying two of the three victims are in, quote, fair condition but still hospitalized. here is nbc's binkley as someone who spoke to one of the students. >> did you ever think anything like this could happen on american soil? >> i certainly hope not. i had heard of other palestinians being beat up, stabbed, or humiliated but i certainly did not expect to be

shot. >> reporter: that is what happened saturday when kinnan abdallah hamid went on a walk with two palestinian friends also of palestinian descent. to the three wore traditional palestinian scarf. they were talking about homework in english and arabic when they saw the alleged gunman. >> as soon as he saw as he ran down the steps, pulled out a pistol, and started shooting. i jumped the fence. i believe that when he shot me. i hit behind the backyard of a random house. i was shaking, i couldn't believe that both of my friends were dead. >> both of his friends are still in the hospital and in fair condition. >> had you all discussed the potential that it may have made you a target? either speaking in arabic or wearing the scarf? >> oh yeah, of course. when we all met in the hospital we were like, why do you think it happened? probably because we were speaking arabic. >> what is your message to americans? >> it is really important to see palestinians as a diverse population, like any other race or ethnicity. we are just people like anyone

else. >> -- thank you for that report. still ahead, everybody. an exclusive interview with the carter family. msnbc's own mitchell louis sat down with the son of jimmy and the late rosalynn carter to talk about the relationship not impact they've had on the lives of the people in the country. on that éclair. don't touch it, don't touch it yet. let me get the big one. nope. -this one? -nope. -this one? -yes. no. what? the big one. they're all the same size. wait! lemme get 'em all. i'm gonna get 'em all! earn big with chase freedom unlimited. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. [♪♪] chase. there's a way to cut your dishwashing time by 50%. try dawn powerwash dish spray. it removes 99% of grease and grime in half the time. it cleans so well, you can replace multiple cleaning products. try dawn powerwash. (christina) with verizon business unlimited,

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times rosalynn carter's passing we are learning more about who she was a mother. my colleague sat down with her second son, in an nbc exclusive. talk us through this. >> you know, as we think about rosalynn carter in the entire family i think that one thing that we saw on the coverages that she is a quiet trail blazer in many ways. she was a mental health and caregiving champion at the highest levels, 50 years ago, imagine saying those words and public spaces back then. mental health, and caregiving. but also in public with justice this past week.

we talk about the special relationship he had with his mother. >> my mother's nickname was the steel magnolia. i can count on one hand the number of arguments i ever won. >> chip carter, the second son of former first lady rosalynn carter and president jimmy carter. >> we had arguments about anything you could possibly imagine. my mother always took the side with the children and helped us, no matter what the consensus was. my father took the opposite side. so that we could know there is more than one answer for it. >> did your mom ever take your side and you knew that she actually didn't believe your side? >> absolutely. absolutely. she would always tell me afterwards, you know, that was right. she studied issues, and knew what she believed, and a lot of it was based on her faith. >> one of those issues she more than believed in? mental health and caregiving. >> only four kinds of people in the world. those who have been caregivers, those who currently are caregivers, those who will be

caregivers, and those who will need caregiving. >> rosalynn carter lived all four. alongside her mother, caring for her father as he battled cancer, leader receiving care herself from family, friends, and husband, jimmy. including chip, driving the six hour round trip to planes two or three times a week, often alone, and he did that for six years. >> in the last year, it was hard to stand in front of the front door and you have to open it and go in and you would have to kind of talk yourself into it. it was difficult emotionally for me. >> were you your mom's favorite? >> yes. but, i am not sure my other siblings would not say the same thing. she was always there, so yeah, i always felt like she was on my side, she would help me do stuff. we always gerald, you know? and i could pretty much say anything to her when i was growing up. >> that started their shared view on the world, including their work together on

humanitarian missions. >> we liked being around people more than other folks in our family. we actually had to become friends with my parents, which i am not sure if anybody ever did before that. i will be so happy that i did not. >> after his years of quiet devotion, that chapter he did not want begins. >> he assured that he was his mother's favorite, which is so sweet, but it speaks to, i think, the relationship he had, and the other children had with rosalynn carter. and with the former president who is now in hospice care. and the love that they shared. >> for sure. and quiet in general. but like any other presidential family, they don't like to share a lot what happens in their home. but at the same time, we learn that chip carter is just like your family and my family in many different ways. and if you look back at some of the old pictures, chip was

always with them as they were going through the 90s, and they were out there really pushing for the carter center. and he says this, he says i wasn't the sharpest kid, so the rule of my family, if you didn't get a's, you had no tv. so i said i didn't have tv. so mom -- >> because he never got is? >> that's what he was saying. so he said i was stuck with mom, or mom was stuck with me. so they had a lot of time together, is what he said. so although he's careful to say i'm the favorite, but not really, they have a special bond. >> maybe he should be spending it with his mom, he just wanted to spend time with his mom. >> he did well. >> thank you, i appreciate it, that wraps up. i will be back in the chair tomorrow, two pm eastern, right here on msnbc. simone starts right now. simone starts right now. >> greetings everyone, you are watching simone. we are following your turmoil in the, israel-hamas war. attacks on gaza have resumed in