it's good to be back with you in this second hour of chris jansing reports. at this hour, the dramatic rise in antisemitism on college campuses after the october 7th attack left one student at m.it asking quote, when can i go back to being a student. what we heard from top university leaders and the students on capitol hill today. inside israel. the heartbreaking stories trickling out from former hostages and their loved ones about what it was like being held in hamas captivity. the nightmares they're still having at home. also, the new details on what rudy giuliani's defamation case against ruby freeman and

shaye moss could look like when it goes to court. and the elephant not in the room. donald trump. four of his rivals will get a chance to make their case against him at tomorrow's primary debate. who made the cut and what to expect. our nbc news reporters are following all the latest developments. i want to begin on capitol hill where we heard from leaders at top universities about the rise of antisemitism on college campuses. we heard from students at the school today about what it's like inside and outside the classroom on those campuses. what did we hear? >> that's right. earlier today, the house education workforce committee held a hearing called holding campus leaders accountable and confronting antisemitism. it featured the presidents of harvard, mit and u penn. the chair said quote, each of you will have a chance to answer and atone for the instances of hate filled antisemitism.

she told the committee she's deeply troubled and is taking steps to combat it including enhancing security in student residences, launching a new training program for students, faculty and staff. just last month, we learned the department of education had opened an investigation into harvard after claims of antisemitic incidents on campus. also today, speaker of the house, mike johnson, was joined by four jewish students from multiple universities and colleges who talked about the prevalence of antisemitism on their campuses. let's listen to one student. >> let me go back to being a scientist, a student. i don't want to have to keep advocating for jewish student safety on campus. it's not my job. it's your job. this is not just harassment. this is our lives on the line. >> and they took aim at

university leaders for failing to do enough in their view to combat this. it's worth emphasizing when we talk about antisemitism here, we're not talking about disagreements or criticism. actions of the israeli government. s in this is about incidents where jewish or israeli students were targeted simply for being jewish or israeli. >> i want to go back to our reporting from last hour, which is that tommy tuberville has lifted his hold on hundreds of military promotions. we just heard while you were talking about the students from chuck schumer, the democratic leader. he says the plan is to move on these promotions asap. he also said all this was unnecessary but i understand we now have heard directly on camera from tommy tuberville. is that right? >> that's right. this is a major retreat for tuberville, the alabama republican senator who had placed a hold on what became

hundreds of military promotions since february. he has now lifted that hold on promotions for three star and below. four stars and above will still have to get votes in the senate. he talked about this. i'll play what he had to say. >> i'm releasing everybody. i've still got a hold on i think 11 four star generals. everybody else is completely released from me. >> and that means the senate can now vote in one instant by unanimous consent to move forward with those hundreds of promotions that tuberville blocked since february. it's not 100% of release of his holds. there will be some, 11 four stars and above that will get votes in the senate, but a major development and the pentagon is not changing its abortion travel policy as he initially demanded. >> thank you. for the families of hamas hostages who have been released, the joy of reunions are often tempered by the horrific reality of their time in captivity and

the trauma that they're dealing with now. many of them children. we've spoken with the uncle of three girls abducted with their parents on october 7th. they were released last month. what are they saying? >> it was a joyous occasion for two of his sisters and their children released last week in the prisoner hostage exchange. their husbands though remain in captivity. maran, and we're starting to piece together what it was like for these hostages held by hamas for many, many weeks as their families agonized about whether or not they were healthy and when they would be released. this is what he said about how his family was held hostage by hamas. take a listen. >> food was not a given.

they weren't sure when they will be given food. or how much. i understood that they were arguments between the hostages around water. >> so we're not hearing directly from the hostages but little by little, we're hearing family members describe what their loved ones told them their time in captivity was like. it's important to note these two hostages who were released, their husbands are still in captivity and their kids were very small here. we're talking about daniella's daughter, 6 years old. sharon, 3-year-old twins as well. they're safely out of hamas hands but there are many more still detained and their husbands still as well in captivity in hamas somewhere in the gaza strip, chris. >> thank you for that. rudy giuliani was expected in court today for a pretrial hearing in a civil defamation

lawsuit brought by georgia poll workers but the only problem is his lawyer apparently didn't tell him to show up. ryan riley has the latest. do we know what happened here? >> well, his attorney sort of was asked whether or not he was falling on his shield but the attorney said he had just misread the order but the judge really laid into the attorney saying it really sort of set the tone for the trial in questioning how could you have missed that or did you miss it. asking if he misread the order. the lawyer really took responsibility for it saying it was his fault and rudy was back up in new york. so some of the questions potential jurors are going to face include whether or not they listened to giuliani's podcast. that gets underway on monday. not a really great start. a pretty rough start for giuliani here, chris. >> a lot of people seem to know he was expected there but maybe not his lawyer. ryan, thank you for that.

just four candidates will be on stage tomorrow for the final republican presidential debate and for the fourth time, donald trump will be elsewhere. dasha burns joins us now. we can say this is their last best chance to have an audience of this size. not a lot of movement has happened necessarily after these debates. how are candidates viewing this debate? >> well, look. it's always a great opportunity to get your message out but i got to tell you as i've been out there, folks are not necessarily excited for this fourth debate. the interest has waned as we've gone on here and there's been less and less movement. right now, the eyes are going to be on nikki haley and ron desantis. those are the two duking it out. desantis has slipped in the polls. haley has risen. it's great for her, but not for

the part of the republican party looking to turn the page on former president trump. because the fact you still have two people that are locked in this battle at this point in time where we're so close to the iowa caucuses that there's still not consolidation behind one person, that is a problem because the window on any chance to beat trump in this primary is closing. he's not even holding counterprogramming to this debate as he has for the last few. he's holding a closed door fund-raiser at the same time instead. that just shows you he doesn't think this is enough of a show to counterprogram for. so this is a good opportunity for them, but will it move the needle? will they even go after the guy they're trying to beat instead of one another? we looked for that in past debates. it hasn't necessarily happened so we'll see what happens on the debate stage, chris. >> thank you for that. today, the families of three black people murdered by a racist gunman are seeking

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the family members of three black victims of a racially motivated shooting at a dollar general store in august are now suing. while the shooter killed himself, the families have just filed a lawsuit against the store's owner, operator, and security contractor, claiming that lack security led to their loved ones' deaths. guad, what more do we know and are we hearing from the families? >> it was a very emotional conference for the families with the attorneys. the attorneys speaking about what happened that day, saying the shooter had stopped at other stores before and they say that because those stores had security guards, they moved on to this store that did not have a security guard. also pointing out the fact that

violent incidents have registered at other stores owned by the same company. of course when the family members spoke, there was a lot of pain and they believe that if perhaps a security guard would have been present at the store, that could have been the difference. let's hear from one of the brothers of the people that died at the store that day. >> he's my baby brother. he's supposed to bury me. not me burying him. you know, it, the -- we were raised to do the right things. you know, go to school. don't be in the streets. don't sell drugs. guess what aj did? he followed it and this is what he gets for repayment? to go to work and die? >> for other family members, it was an opportunity to share personal stories to tell what it's been like for them to lose someone. how their life has c. all of them saying the security guard could have been the difference maybe if the brother in this case or the other family members would have been at one

of the other stores where there was a security guard, they would be alive today, but just an opportunity for them to share what it's been like as the attorneys announce this legal action they have taken, chris. >> you can feel that pain. thank you so much. i want to bring in civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. good to see you. the argument in this lawsuit and how likely is it to hold up? >> i think the argument in this case does have a lot of credence based off of what we are learning about the shooter's actions before the incident at the actual store. the fact this shooter went to other stores where the security guards were present and that seemed to have been a deterrent suggests that dollar general was ultimately negligent in not having a security guard to essentially enforce and protect in the same way at the location of the shooting. that is a significant deal. and when you couple that with the notion that there were reports of other violence which

had been taking place, it also suggests there should have been measures put in place not only to protect customers but also workers as well. so what you're talking about is a standard of care that exists in certain places that has not carried over to the actual location where the shooting occurred and that discrepancy is going to be something attorneys are going to harp on in terms of building their case and trying to establish liability on behalf of the plaintiffs here. >> it's not just the company, charles. the gunman's family is also named in the suit. we're told he had texted his father. told him to check his computer and then the dad found a suicide note. he found racist writings so the family notified authorities but too late to stop the shooting. will that phone call to police make it tough to claim the parents are responsible? >> i do think that what you're talking about is going to be considered a mitigating circumstance. so whatever degree of liability would be imputed to the parents in a case like this is going to be mitigated by the fact they

did upon learning this, make the attempt to actually reach out to authorities. ultimately, is it going to give them zero liability? that remains to be seen and is likely going to be a question decided by a jury, but yes, that is going to be a factor people will weigh and likely will, if they are found to be liable to whatever degree, lessen their degree of liability as something that is considered under the law to be a mitigating circumstance. >> charles, thank you for that. i want to go to tel aviv where we have some breaking news. prime minister netanyahu is talking about the hostages and the meetings he's had with families. take a listen. >> translator: is filled up with happiness and that's quite a lot in such a day and age. we've managed to bring back home 110 hostages through the condemnation of a lethal military effort as well as an ongoing diplomatic one. i'd like to tell you this is the only way to bring back the hostages that are still held in

captivity by hamas. we are committed to do so. hamas tried to break us apart but we are breaking it apart. many of the murders came from the batallion. they broke through the fence and entered israel and committed their atrocities and this is why we targeted and killed the commander of this batallion at the beginning of this week. he commanded these atrocious murders as well as in others. so far, we've managed to kill off half of hamas commanders. we are settling the score with anybody who was involved, who was a partner to this. anybody who burned, raped, and murdered our brothers and sisters. we will not forget, we will not forgive. and we've instructed with the idea to continue with the war. our troops are expanding the ground operations against hamas everywhere in the gaza strip including the south of the strip. just last night, we operated there with great intensity. the land shook in ewe nis and

jabalya. we circled both places and we've also taken over the general security base of hamas. our brave soldiers are fighting fiercely against these murderers. they are conducting face-to-face battles and they are killing so many terrorists around the clock and in every battle, we come out victorious. we are fighting till the very end until we achieve absolute victory. our soldiers, our troops, are the epitome of resilience of this nation. but all that comes with a price with such a heavy price. every loss pierces our hearts. ben was killed in action this week in the battlefield in gaza. he was from combat engineering unit and he was an outstanding athlete. the salt of the earth and full fledged soldier fighter. and together with him, four

other soldiers were killed from the high school he went to. the high school in jerusalem and -- who was from the brigade who saved so many lives after he managed to throw back seven grenades and unfortunately, we also lost his friend, an officer from the core field man. troop from the paratroopers, who also was a paratrooper. i say today to the families of these fallen soldiers and i say to the beloved families of all of those who were killed in action, your loved ones who are our loved ones, did not die in vain. we will fight together. we will win and we will obliterate hamas and we are going to fight until we reach victory, until we reach all of our goals which is to bring back all of the hostages obliterating hamas and guaranteeing that

hamas will never again impose a threat on the state of israel. we will make sure there's no one who supports terrorism, finances terrorism. one more thing about the day after hamas. gaza has to be demilitarized and for gaza to be demilitarized, there's only one force that can ensure this. and this force is the idf. no other international force can be responsible for that. we've seen what happened in other places where international forces were brought in for purposes of demilitarization. i will not turn a blind eye and accept any other agreement and i once again call upon the civilian population in gaza to leave the combat area, the war zone with hamas and i'm saying from here to our friends in the world who are pressuring us to speedily put an end to this war. the only way to end this war and to end it quickly is to use

overwhelming power against hamas and to completely obliterate it. if our friends want to help us to shorten this war because this is also their war against the -- which is threatening to take over the world. they simply need to stand firm next to us. i say that in english and every other language. >> netanyahu, who is making it clear that even once hamas is to use his words, obliterated, as they move into the south, a place where many palestinians have gone at the direction of israelis and are in fear of their lives, that he will not allow any other force to go in to make sure of demilitarization. he says only israeli defense forces can do that. for some, it raises the question of occupation. for many, it raises the question we've been hearing throughout the day today after israel admitted that for every member of hamas that they have killed, two civilians have died.

and again, the questions about their actions in the south and how many more are being put at risk. we're going to continue to listen though to prime minister netanyahu as he makes his case for the ongoing war which he clearly believes they are having a lot of success. he say they've killed off half of the hamas batallion commanders. still ahead, a new move by hunter biden's legal team angering the special counsel investigating him. plus, what we can expect when donald trump's son takes the stand tomorrow at the civil fraud trial. stay with us. tomorrow at the ci fraud trial. stay with us that whatever we did here would be an emblem of what small communities can achieve. trying to give a better life to people that don't have the means to do it. si mi papá estuviera vivo, sé que él tuviera orgulloso también de vivir de esta viviendo una vida como la que estamos viviendo ahora. es electricidad aquí es salud.

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the special counsel prosecuting hunter biden slammed his lawyer's request to subpoena president trump and members of his administration. it was a scathing 32-page filing. david weiss called the request far reaching, seeking nonspecific categories of documents from former officials who had nothing to do with the case. ken dilanian is following this story for us. what more did the special counsel have to say? >> well, chris, for context here, hunter biden's lawyers requested these subpoenas in a filing that suggested that somehow people in the trump administration did something improper when they launched this investigation and that this was essentially a politically vindictive prosecution. that's why they want to get the testimony of former president

trump and bill barr. the special counsel saying that's just ridiculous and that these, the testimony of these people would be inadmissible. they point out that under the joe biden administration, attorney general merrick gar land was the one who made the decision to appoint weiss as special counsel to continue this investigation into these gun and potential tax charges involving hunter biden. they really came down hard on this request for a subpoena and are asking the judge to deny these requests. >> ken, keep us posted. thank you for that. meantime, we've got a major development in donald trump's federal election interference trial. jack smith intends to introduce evidence that trump has been lying about eleio and voting procedures at least since 2012. this is from smi's court filing. i'm quoting -- filing i'm quoting --

i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin, who is onset with me. what do you make of this stuff from jack smith? >> i think it's really fascinating, chris, because what he's doing is putting trump's lawyers on notice. we have evidence that predates the conspiracy we've alleged and post dates that conspiracy that sheds light on trump's motive and attempt. they plan to introduce evidence that in both 2012 and 2016 in anticipation of the election trump was ceding claims of election fraud. they have evidence in 2016 and 2020 in both occasions when he was a candidate, he refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. that, they say, when he did the same in 2020, he knew full well what he was doing.

i think the more interesting part of this filing has to do with new evidence they have. they have evidence that on november 4th, an agent of the trump campaign who was unnamed got together with a lawyer in michigan and essentially planned to start a riot at detroit's tsf center where they were counting ballots. sort of akin to the state farm arena in atlanta. they arranged to try to start a riot. why? because they could see the ballots trending toward president biden and they wanted to obstruct the count. so, yes, there was a plan for election fraud but it wasn't in the direction president trump has insisted for years. it was by his own campaign, by his own agent. >> fascinating filing. there's also a development in the new york civil fraud trial because we were expecting eric trump on the stand today, right? >> tomorrow. >> tomorrow. just seconds ago, we learned that's not happening. do we know what happened? >> we don't know what happened. we know court is going to be

dark tomorrow because really the defense here had three witnesses left. eric trump, an accounting professor at nyu who's scheduled to testify for two days largely to the point that valuation is largely subjected. and trump himself on monday. we know now eric trump is not coming. the professor is expected to testify thursday and friday. on monday, we're expecting to see former president trump who as you know, is still under a gag order. whether he can take the stand without violating that is something i'm really interested in. i asked chris kise on camera yesterday whether that was a concern for him. he said it wasn't. i asked him whether he would try to postpone his client's testimony until he could get further review. he looked me in the eye and said you're smart enough to know how that's going to go. i don't think so. we're hearing from nbc news

producer that kise did exactly that. >> but he looked you in the eye. you said trump's legal team's attempt to get the gag order remove quote backfired on them spectacularly. tell us more. >> so i don't want to go too deep into the legal weeds for your viewers, but they made the request in a defective way and in addition to that, they were too late to get a hearing in advance of trump's testimony. so yesterday i watched as chris kise and his colleague, cliff robert, another trump robert, essentially pleaded with another court attorney in new york's first tier appeals court basically saying isn't there anyone, someone, who can hear this before monday and the answer indeed was no, the earliest possible hearing you can get is late monday afternoon and that's only if we order the attorney general to submit the brief by 10:00 a.m. they asked the attorney general

to expedite the review and they said no, we're not willing to do that. >> doesn't get any less interesting day by day. thanks for coming in. appreciate it. a massive house explosion that rocked a neighborhood near d.c. as police tried to conduct a search warrant. what authorities are now saying about what happened. we've got that, next. now sayin about what happened. we've got that, next shelves smart enough to see, sense, react, restock. ♪ so caramel swirl is always there for the taking.

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caught on camera as a massive explosion blows a house to pieces, rocking an entire neighborhood overnight. it's a really stunning video that shows the moment the house explodes into flames then collapses as debris, you see it there, flies more than two stories into the air. it happened after police say a suspect was firing a flare gun into the neighborhood dozens of times. tom costello joins us now with more. tom? >> good afternoon. we have seen investigators from the ntsb, from the local fire department, from the police department walking up and down this street looking for evidence that was blown from the house. behind me, behind the crime scene tape, that is what's left of the house. just a pile of debris and rubble. this started yesterday afternoon when according to police, the suspect inside started firing a flare gun off. 30 to 40 rounds. neighbors complained. police responded.

they tried to get him to come out. he refused. s.w.a.t. arrived. they got into a standoff with this individual then at 8:00 p.m., the enormous explosion you saw lift the house off its foundation and came back down again and debris just went flying. amazingly none of the police officers in front of the house, none of them were seriously injured. nobody else was injured. we still don't know the condition of the man inside and we don't have a formal identification on him. however, some of the neighbors here, in fact, the consistent theme you hear from neighbors in this area was that he seemed erratic and oftentimes didn't make a lot of sense, accusing them of being spies or saying he was a spy. in fact, also had tinfoil on his windows. we don't know if there was any criminal history with him but we are checking with police and we expect more on the history with him in the next few minutes or so. bottom line is this entire area has debris through it.

thankfully nobody else injured as they continue the investigation into what led up to this absolutely disastrous night here in arlington, virginia and what, if anything, might have been in this suspect's mind. i would just point out they don't know if he intentionally set off the house or if it was an accident caused by explosives and other flammables inside the house. chris, back to you. >> tom, thank you. there's a brand-new report out today and it shows math scores for u.s. students have plummeted to an all time low on international exams. math scores for american 15-year-olds dropped 13 percentage points compared to 2018 before the pandemic upended education. this data is the first real comparison of global achievement since the covid pandemic and it does show a widespread decline globally. u.s. secretary of education cardona in response is now calling for a math revolution including higher level math classes in schools, teacher

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about today as it relates to women who were sexually assaulted, raped by hamas according to reports we saw yesterday obviously from the israeli delegation at the united nations. i want to quote what the president said where no cameras were allowed. the president said excuse me, we had a report early on that hamas used rape against women in israel, reports of women being raped, abusing their bodies then murdering them. it's appalling. the world can't just look away from what's going on. we must forcefully condemn the sexual violence, these women, 20 to 39, that hamas is refusing to release these young women is what ended the cease fire. the first real direct comments we've heard from the president about what ended the cease fire last week between israel and hamas and also this issue that the state department did address to some degree yesterday saying

excuse me that there was no reason to not to believe these reports coming from israel but saying that the united nations should do more to investigate these reports and to make sure the correct people are held responsible, chris. >> thank you for that. we're also getting our first reaction from the pentagon on the breaking news story we got last hour that alabama republican senator tommy tuberville is dropping his hold on hundreds of military nominees. the pentagon's press secretary said he was quote encouraged by the development and he's talking about the impact it's had. take a listen. >> we have a very important mission in terms of defending this nation and anytime you add a level of uncertainty into the chain of command, it creates an unnecessary friction. it has an impact on readiness as we try to stay focused on the mission. >> tuberville will still keep his hold on what he says is quote i think 11 four star

generals. a group of babies from gaza have become a symbol of both suffering and hope. you'll remember the dozens of premature babies evacuated from al shifa hospital, separated in their families and surrounded by violence. now, two weeks after they were moved to safety, erin mcloughlin has an update on the mission to save their lives. >> norah can't take her eyes off her little girl. >> she's beautiful. >> her name is leanne, she tells us. a moment this new mother once feared impossible now overwhelming. >> that was your first time touching your daughter? yes. i'm very happy, she says. norah thought she might never see leanne and her twin sister again. they were among some 39 babies separated from their families. israel, the u.s., and european

union allege hamas used hospitals to conceal its military operations, allegations hamas denies. days into the siege, doctors say the babies began to die. these image of the sick babies e merged from al shifa. while at al nasr hospital, this footage of babies left behind. the hamas-run health ministry said they were prevented from evacuating them. israel saying it's a perverse exploitation of innocent human lives. at al shifa, a dozen babies made it out alive and brought here to a cairo hospital. >> they brought them to us with very bad general condition. now more or less, stable. >> the doctor says all be two are alone. he takes us to see baby halima, known only by his mother's name. >> what happened to his eye? >> removed.

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senate democrats have a new message for republicans as aid for israel and ukraine is in critical danger. moments ago, chuck schumer made a new offer to senate republicans as he prepares to put the president's $105 billion foreign aid package on the floor for procedure vote. he says he will offer them the first amendment on border and immigration policy if they agree to move forward. >> we think there are good proposals on border in the president's bill that do a lot and adding fentanyl does even more, but if they think it's not

enough, i will not interfere with them drawing up an amendment, but it will need 60 votes. earlier today, we learned the house speaker is telling the white house aid to ukraine won't pass without quote transformative change to our nation's border security laws. and u.s. officials say time is running out. the need is desperate. joining us now, democratic congressman, steny hoyer of maryland. good to have you back on the program, congressman. so i understand today in fact just in five minutes, president zelenskyy will speak to senators virtually. the number two ukrainian official has been meeting with lawmakers in both chambers and i know you also took part in a classified briefing on ukraine a short time ago with secretaries blinken and austin. what can you share with us about what's happening right now and what you learned? >> what i've learned is that ukraine needs resources now. not tomorrow. not the next day. but right now. and it is unconscionable to

couple that with if we don't do the border, which we haven't been able to do frankly for 13 years. bipartisan bill passed the senate in 2013 and nothing has happened since then. it's a very tough issue. we ought to do something on the border but we ought not to make ukrainian assistance contingent upon that. we ought not to send a message to putin, a dictator who is committing war crimes, that we're not going to give ukraine the money it needs so that in johnson's words just a few days ago, that if he takes ukraine, he will keep coming. and our men and women will be at risk on the field. so that i just don't understand speaker johnson or frankly the republicans in the senate not saying we're for ukraine and we need to work on border security. we're for israel but we're not going to make it contingent upon some other agreement that we have to make.

that is not the message that the united states of america, the paragon of freedom and democracy and the example of freedom, should be saying to the rest of the world. this is not just domestic politics. this is about how america is perceived around the world and how we stick by our allies in a timely fashion to make sure that they defeat those who would undermine them. either through terrorism or for a criminal invasion to take their country. that's, that's what we ought to be doing and we ought to be doing it now. we have seven days left to go. before the end of the year. and in florida, speaker johnson said we need to get this done. well, we do. and all he has to do is put a bill on the floor and we'll get over 300 votes for aid to ukraine and over 400 votes for aid to israel. so this is not an issue that doesn't have the votes. it just doesn't have the will of the speaker to put it on the floor.

>> let's talk about aid to israel. on this network this morning, we heard from ruby chen, father of a missing idf soldier and dual american israeli citizen. let me play that for you. >> unfortunately, we had thanksgiving last week. we had an empty chair at the table. i'd like to also thank representative hoyer that actually talked on behalf of him on the floor last week and also had an empty seat at his thanksgiving table. christmas is coming up. we asked united states government, do whatever you can. we want to be holding him with our family. >> congressman, is the u.s. doing enough? we just heard from prime minister netanyahu. they are not letting up on their campaign. >> look, i think that israel understands that they've had cease fires and tried to make accommodations with hamas for

ever since 2007 when hamas took over and started sending rockets in to threaten communities that were close and communities that were not so close. both people and buildings. so that they i think have to get rid of hamas. but having said that, we need to send a message to hamas that we are going to continue to be supportive because in doing that, i think we make it much more likely that the hostages will be released whole and alive. i talked to rudy and i talked on behalf of itae just the other day on the floor of the house. i talked to rudy's wife, the mother, and we have to be focused on getting those refugee, those hostages, out of the hands of hamas. a dangerous organization that has murdered