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politicsnation. tonight's lead, insecurity. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> right now, with liz then three weeks remaining in 2023, nation's security commitments hang in the balance. after senate republicans this week blocked a spending package that tucker's israel and ukraine aid with hopes of border security. the clock is running out to get something passed and then an election looms. and last, not republicans in georgia just gutted another

congressional district led by a black democrat ahead of 2024. the democrat, georgia congresswoman lucy mcbath joins me shortly with reaction this week to what happened to her district and washington. just days after a mask shooting in las vegas. a kind of gun violence she spent more than a decade protesting against. we'll discuss that. later, i'm joined by the eldest loving daughter of the late, great nelson mandela. here in studio. her new biography on her father looking at his human rights outcome from an internet angle. i'll ask her what she ate make of current politics, ten years after his death and where she sees that nelson mandela legacy going into the future. don't miss it. a couple of minutes ago, university of pennsylvania

president liz magill has resigned amid criticism she and other presidents had received for their testimony of antisemitism on campus. i'll have much more to say about that later on in the show. but joining me now, congresswoman lucy mcbath, democrat of georgia. congresswoman, for, us thank you for joining us. and before we get into what's happening in georgia with this new voting map, yesterday the texas supreme court post at lower court ruling granting and abortion to a woman who's on child has a fatal condition and is unlikely to survive once born. the mother is already about 20 weeks pregnant. your reaction please as abortion becomes more and more of a political issue ahead of the general election? >> most certainly, i did see that story on television. it was absolutely heartbroken

over the first and foremost, that woman had to make those kinds of decisions and choices. i don't want to ever think anyone can truly understand how painful it is to make those kinds of decisions, i myself have had several miscarriages and a stillborn. so it's always difficult and i always think those decisions should be made between that mother, her loved ones and her health care providers. so i think increasingly with that breakdown of row across the country, we are going to be tasked, our doctors and our judges, will be tasked with these kinds of positions far more frequently. and i still firmly believe that a woman should have the right to choose what's best for her body, should the cases like this happening all around the company that we haven't even heard of yet. >> yesterday, your state passed new congressional map, efctively a race in your

district. after a federal court ordered the state to add another majority black district, that republicans did side by dismantling your majority nonwhite destroyed in order to maintain their 95 advantage in the state congressional delegation. you vowed to fight it. democrat-backed groups have as well. i remind my audience, this is not the first time georgia republicans have targeted you, congresswoman. what do you want to say about this? >> well, thank you, reverend al. because as you say it, just this past week, that gia pate controlled state little thatcher here in georgia once again approved maps with one goal in mind. just to remove me from congress. this is that legislature that gerrymandered me two years ago in the last election. and after a federal court actually struck down, road against these maps, georgia

pumpkins are using this as another opportunity to try and for me out of congress. but the fact of the matter is, i will do and say exactly as i always have. i refused to allow a few of the extremist republicans and our georgia state legislature to determine might work and congress is done. i will let the people decide. i'm a mom on a mission and there is a lot of work yet to be done and i'm going back to washington. >> now, talking about mom on a mission, president biden met privately yesterday with members of the university of nevada at las vegas community, after this week's mass shooting on the school's campus that left three people dead. congresswoman, you and i met first, you were grieving the loss of your son jordan davis who was shot and killed during an argument over loud music. and i felt he was targeted. that was 11 years ago.

and in 2023, it just set a 17 year record for killings. mass killings, in fact, in that u.s. according to the associated press. watching this week's shooting, as a mother, a gun control advocate and activist, and a member of congress, what needs to happen, congresswoman? >> well, reverend al, so much more needs to happen. as i will say, there has been a great deal of good work that has been done in these last 11 years that i've been in this fight. as of now, you know, president biden did by executive order create the office of gun violence prevention, that is working very closely across the nation with our state legislatures. organizations and community organizations on the ground that are doing gonna violence prevention.

and also a lot of good work. we've passed red flag laurels, which was of course might work. with background checks in congress as well, in the house. but so much more work needs to be done. but the fact that we passed the bipartisan safer communities law, which was the most comprehensive gun safety legislation that's been passed in this country for 30 years shows we are on the right track. over and over again, americans have been -- as they've been surveyed, there is rustic we have to do something about this extremist culture that we're living in. i truly believe that keeping guns out of the hands of people who absolutely should not have been's number one. that's key. a lot of people that are, for whatever reasons, and crisis. and we need to be able to identify those people. gavlan bluff the ability -- to be able to identify these people that are in crisis. and make sure they don't have

access to guns. also, individuals that have been considered domestic abusers. and safe storage is critically important for our children. the number way children are dying in this country is because they have x to unsecured firearms. so there is not one piece of legislation that changes all of the culture. there will be many for years to come. but we really are on the right track. >> and you've being a driving force behind that. and when i say activist, i know what i mean. i first remember meeting you at an airplane. you are a flight attendant, and you, say reverend al, what are you going to do about my son, jordan davis? and the whole trip you were signing up to deal with that situation and look at all the things you have driven. as you say, and activist mom. let me bring this up to you. congress is running out of time to pass a military aid bill before christmas. senate republicans this week rejected a package with eight to ukraine and israel, and 20

billion dollars for border security. what can you tell us about where these negotiations stand at this point, to your knowledge? >> well, reverend al, the american people sent us to washington to serve their needs. and the best way we can do that is to make sure there's a bipartisan pathway forward for government funding. there are so many essential services and programs that the american people are really depending on, they rely upon. and so we can allow there to be a lapse in any of these services, or any of this funding that our allies around the country are depending on. i will, cytokine -- democrats have been behind our leadership the entire time as they've been working on these negotiations. but we do need that republicans. we need the majority of them to join us and come to the table. and to help us and serving our constituents and avoid these kinds of shutdowns and lapses

and funding. republicans just need to stop playing politics with that livelihood of the american people and the allies around that world that are depending upon us. >> congresswoman, lucy mcbath, thank you for joining us this evening. joining me now is my political panel. former democrat maryland congresswoman donna edwards, and former republican congressman from pennsylvania charlie dent. donna, president biden and the first lady our fund in southern california this weekend. the administration got some positive news out of fridays better than expected jobs report. yet, this week nbc news reported battleground democrats have largely avoided talking about bidenomics. and the biden campaign has shifted to discussing the threat of maganomics.

is there a better life for the president and his party to -- two voters? >> i think there is a white, reverend al. frankly, i think the economy is showing improvement. not only were those job numbers that came out, but also inflation numbers came out that are lower and we are seeing an uptick in consumer confidence. so i think all of these things, over a period of the next several months, really bode well for the president. and often think that would run away from, i don't know about bottlenecks, but i certainly would not run away from that kind of economic games this president has. and i think democrats are going to make the mistake didn't that as well. it reminds me of when democrats tried to run away from the affordable care act. that was a big mistake, they ran away from the president. it never worked. people know there are democrats and that need to be celebrating what they've accomplished and

look ahead to what more needs to be done. that's what the american people want to say. they want to see a path to the future, recognizing that coming out of covid we've kind of had a rocky path. >> charlie, the republican front runner donald trump will be addressing the new york young republicans gallup tonight, staying in new york city to testify in his civil fraud trial. i believe, monday. trump has been trying to climb his attendance at the trial has been preventing him from campaigning in iowa, even though his court appearances have been mostly optional and civil trials, he doesn't have to be there. in fact, he's been in mar-a-lago when he could have been in iowa. but is this a case of trump trying to lower expectations for the first gop caucus, now just five weeks away? >> i'm not so sure he's trying to lower expectations, but as you just, said he has -- hit does not have to attend

this civil trial in new york. i think he'll use the trial as a launching pad for the campaign, saying i'm a vector, import me. and he's going to play the grievance. karate eckley does campaign, and my perspective, at this trial appearance. he could easily be in iowa if he wanted to be. it's clear he's choosing not to be there. he's a political advantage and criticizing this trial. >> don, assisting with trump. the former president has given an opportunity -- was given an opportunity on fox news this week to calm voters concerns about what a second term might look like. instead, he said he would only be a dictator on day one. apparently talk about border policies and drilling for oil. what do you make of trump's comments? should they be taken seriously? >> well, you know, donald trump never plays in nuance. so when he says something, we should actually believe him.

i mean, there have been multiple times in the past where donald trump has said one thing and then lo and behold it plays out in his actual policy making. so, yes. i think that we should believe him. i think what trump will be even more -- what troubles me even more is none of that republican candidates who were looking to topple trump sought that need to actually go after him on that point. he gives them thunder every single day, and tight at want to go after. him so he's donald trump. and open field to just say anything he wants and those to qatar comments, i, mean i don't know about you, reverend al, but i believe. him >> charlie, let's talk about those other republican presidential candidates. most often are campaigning in iowa after participating in the final debate of 2023 on winds that night. the hawkeye state is especially crucial to ron desantis, who is banking on his ability to connect with a evangelical and conservative voters.

what is your sense of who has that momentum and do you expect that iowa results to have a major impact on that race? charlie, then don't i want your view on this. >> sure, look. i think if you look at this race right now, at least among that non-trump candidates, nikki haley is clearly ascending. ron desantis is descending. ron -- ramaswamy is a wild man and a grifter and he's been largely discredited. and chris christie is trying to fight a good fight, trying to explain to anyone who was, this is about donald trump. it's not a battle for second place, second place is last place. but iowa. if desantis were to finish second in iowa -- he's struggling in new hampshire, we are highly and christy are doing well, and also in south carolina. i think desantis's campaign might be on last support right now.

but right now, highly, she's trying to catch a real bolt of lightning here. she and christy will be the candidates who can breakthrough -- >> donna? >> yeah, i mean, look. i agree. first of all, if you take a look at these debates, they all seem to be battling for second place. none of them seems to want to take on donald trump. but i think that's really unfortunate, other than chris christie, because very little critique of the front runner. and at this point, with donald trump leading by 40 and 45% in some of these polls, it's hard to see how any of them, who are not willing to go after the big guy, are going to overtake him. and, you know, that means if there is -- i think there has been some leading out in the field, clearly, with these debate. and we will see some more of. that but this is the field we have. and i don't see any of them

overtaken don't trump. >> donna edwards and charlie dent, thank you both for being with us. coming up in tonight's gotcha, a word of warning for ambitious republicans hoping to hitch their wagons to donald trump. but first, my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. richard? >> thanks, reverend, and got some of it to you. breaking, news you pin president liz magill resigning as head of the university. magill it's one of the ivy league president criticized for their testament across the, speak about antisemitism on campus. magill will remain a tenured law school faculty member. approximately 13 million people at risk for extreme weather, including severe thunderstorms from the mississippi valley to the atlantic coast. some hotspots running memphis, nashville, birmingham -- rain and wills winds will diminish aphrodite. and japanese baseball sensation -- is a los angeles dodger.

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announced he would be leaving congress at the end of the year. i can say i was disappointed by the news. the former speaker and i don't agree on almost anything. still, i was stunned but the rapid collapse of his political career. the california congressman spent much of his adult life trying to become speaker. in just ten months, that dream turned into a complete nightmare. if you ask me, the problem started in january of 2021, when mccarthy took his fateful trip to mar-a-lago as the first high-ranking republican to

reconcile with trump after january 6th. just three weeks earlier, trump and mccarthy were at each other 's throats while maga supporters were storming the capital. now they were smiling and shaking hands. in a recent book, congresswoman liz cheney said, mccarthy was telling colleagues he was worried trump was depressed and not 18. but if you ask me, the trip headless to do with trump's appetite and more to talk with mccarthy's hungry for power. he hoped loyalty to trump would pave his way and pave his path to the speakership. but when the time came, trump could barely beat bothered to lift a finger to help him. trump only endorsed mccarthy after he had already lost multiple rounds of votes. and less than a year later, when mccarthy tweeted booted out, again trump was nowhere to be found. the story is a familiar one for

and pushing republicans. paul ryan also thought he could work with trump as speaker, and ended up retiring from congress at age 48. mike pence hoped to beat trump's ear apparent, as he was the phone and vice president. until trump supporters ended up colin for his execution. in 2024, we'll surely sort -- see a whole new crop of republicans who try and hitch their wagon to trump. i would urge all of them to consider the stories of kevin mccarthy, paul ryan, mike pence and others who hoped trump would bring them fame and fortune. and in the end, found out he is only interested in helping himself. i gotcha. it i gotcha it

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his comments just hours after the u.s. vetoed a united nations security council resolution calling for an immediate cease fire. joining me now is nbc news correspondent hala gorani, out of tel aviv in israel. hala, it is positive not there. where are you? can you tell me more about that latest and what's unfolding on the gaza strip? >> reporter: absolutely. and i want to also pick up on what you mentioned about antony blinken. this is kind of a diplomatic outreach tour. it has to be said. because that u.s. of course vetoed that uae sponsored resolution that called for an immediate cease-fire. the u.s. was the only country member to veto it. that uk abstained. all others voted in favor. this has really caused some consternation in the region. it was expected.

antony blinken was seated next to that tradition -- jordanian foreign minister who was one of the first arab leaders to come out and say what israel is doing amounts to a genocide. you can imagine there is some work to be done on that u.s.'s part here. in terms of what's happening in the gaza strip, it's hard to overstate what a disaster it is. humanitarian aid agencies, including the world food programme are saying not out of ten people can't eat every day and huff are on the verge of starvation. and you are getting bombings of neighborhoods that people were told to effectuate to, including khan younis. and there is some really heartbreaking footage of a girl in a hospital who was looking for her family members including her mother. she was brought and covered in dust. take a look. [crying] [speaking in a global language] >> reporter: so this is the --

hospital in khan yunis, reverend. it is really reaching breaking point. the northern half of the gaza strip, the medical system there has pretty much all but collapsed. and in the south there is really a lot of pressure put on the infrastructure, with really double the population that, in the south, that was the before to prevent. so many people have a quebec wedded to the part of this trip, reverend. >> hala, and idf spokesperson said, on x i believe, that is really troops launch targeted attacks on buildings where they believe hamas members and where parents were housed in northern gaza. what do you know about this comment? >>. i these are announcement the idf makes on a daily basis. they are saying, mp --

you have seen the images of men, fighting age, the enfolded and stripped down to their underwear. they're saying that essentially that part of the gaza strip is where they are conducting military operations, they've warned the civilian population it is going to happen there. they are also, though, going very much into the southern part where they say hamas has a stronghold in khan yunis. and when there are civilian casualties, that will, say the hamas group is embedded in some of the civilian areas. and therefore the civilian casualties are, essentially, not inevitable but that they are part and parcel of waging the kind of war they need to be waging in the gaza strip to head the militant group powered. so that's been a daily -- on a daily basis that type of fighting you have seen and in intensification, certainly, of what we've seen.

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politicsnation. among the greatest honors of my career as a civil rights activist was the time i spent with the late south african later nelson mandela as his country was just casting off its history of racial apartheid. and he was serving as the first president of a integrated nation. in his absence, my friendship with members of his families grew. and earlier today, at our national action network here in new york, his oldest living dog joint, may have been on just published her own account of her father's life. the book titled mandela, in honor of an extraordinary life. joining me now live in studio is dr. makaziwe mandela, social

justice advocate and daughter of nelson mandela. doctor mandela, honor to have you here in the studio tonight. honor you came with us this morning. your father passed away ten years ago this week. after leaving an indelible -- on south africa and the whole world and on me and other activists in our own work as activists. and now you have this new book from your own account of his oldest living daughter. i'm humbled that -- to cite you hit me right before word. so i know how powerful it is. for my audience watching, what do we learn from this book that we didn't know about your father before? >> i have to say, thank you very much, reverend. and to say -- i chose you to write a foreword

to this book because you followed and my father's footsteps. my father's name is -- one is bright enough to challenge the status quo and i think that's looking at your career, you have always challenged things on behalf of those who have passed and in this country and you don't mince your words. you have been true and effective to yourself. so the reason why i wrote this book was to write a book fully about my father. not just nelson mandela, the politician, the freedom fighter. i wanted to write a book about nelson mandela, that human being. a son, a father, a brother, uncle, grandfather. and actually, to highlight that my father was formed by the customs and traditions of his insistence. and he never forgot it. and the issue of kinship -- is important to my father.

household in the african culture. and i think one of the things is my father came from humble beginnings. and it was prepared to be mentored by others like walter civility and men like him. it was a student of history and of life. and the fact that he encounter a lot of obstacles in the way did not deter him from the calls he wanted. so, as the generation now -- who the baton has been passed on to continue the struggle for freedom, because as long as they -- as long as there is a peasant in the world who's not free, we can't claim for freedom anywhere in the world. it can't exist. that fight is continuing and we have to be courageous and persevere because, in the end, we will win. >> you know, earlier today, you are mocks at national action

network headquarters. i related when your father came to new york in 19 on three to address the united nations. but his first stop was a baptist church in harlem where he joined along with reverend -- and reverend jesse jackson and others. and the picture us up on the wool at 2020 -- nan headquarters. -- reverend jesse jackson was a dear friend of his. what was important to build relationships with human rights later is here and the united states? what did he take away and what did he want to give and those distant relationships? >> remember that my father learns from the struggles of emancipation and the civil rights movement in this country -- and during our dark days -- the people who keep the

struggle alive, because we could not in south africa. we were fellow compatriots in that u.s., that uk -- my father was determined his fear part of colin -- freight was to go back to this fellow compatriot and say from the bottom of our hearts, saying thank you. we have not -- and we want to reach but your support has made us survive the life sentences and the brutal conditions -- so we are here today because you never forgot about us. and that's why i say, kinship, lineage, friendship. and as my father said nobody can choose their friends. they're allowed to be hated by the west -- and the friends in the trenches will continue to be friends until the. and >> as we watch the rise of authoritarian leaders and governments around the world, what are your thoughts of the

daughter of the man who suffered and fought against apartheid in south africa only to lead the nation as the first black president, calling for reconciliation? do you think he would have been able to keep that outlook watching far-right movements growing in power over the last several years in different parts of the world? >> i think my father was always outspoken. and he would criticize. my father said -- he is against what domination and he is against black domination. my father was against any form of domination of people. he believe people had the innate right to live freely and independently as human beings in this world. >> lastly, what was he like as a father? we know him as this great leader. what was he like as a father and what do you think his legacy is to the world? >> i think my father was very

strict, a disciplinarian. he believed very much in education. education has been hammered on our heads. i did not respect anybody who frowned on education or did not take the opportunity to himself or herself. and i think made the greatest -- of my father in the world is that he was authentic to himself. he knew who he was. he was authentic to himself. he could not be bought. or sold, anywhere. he was true until he closed his eyes. and the fact that he talked about the forgiveness. my father could talk to anybody. and regarded them as human beings. it doesn't matter if you were from africa or wherever. my father believed we were struggling. that no human being is born to hate another person because of

the color of their skin. we are taught to hate another person. and so if we were taught, through education, not just through formal education, through education, widely, we can teach that world to be more compassionate, more empathetic, and 11 of other people. because there are no differences, really, between us. >> i'm glad you came before the holidays. as people -- and it's an amazing book, pictures people have never seen. you will own thoughts. what do you think when people get this book and put it on their tables at home? what do you hope when they close the book that they learn and what's the take away from? >> i think people, in a nutshell, when they take this book that they can never give up on the struggle for emancipation. and that perseverance and courage is needed.

and that we should not lose hope. because the future is brighter than the past. we might not be where we want to be in south africa, nor america. i don't think black people are minorities in this country are truly free. but we are at a point where we are far better than things were. and if we have reached this point, we can't reach new heights. >> you never gave up. he never gave up. 27 years in jail which had to be hard on his family and he never gave up. >> he never gave up until he closed his eyes. and he even said, when it gets to him, he would join the african nation of congress. so he's still continuing his fight in that drive. >> i'm honored to have had you, and i hope everybody gets the book. dr. makaziwe mandela. thank you. that book is called, mandela's, in honor of an extraordinary life. make sure you get it. that is a holiday gift. up next, my message to some of his country's most unique

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reported on the resignation of upenn president liz magill. you may have seen her and other elite college presidents this week as they testified in

congress and we are asked a very simple question. too coals for that genocide of jews violet driscoll's policies? here is some of their answers. >> i have not heard colon for that genocide of jews on our campus? >> you've had a chance for intifada? >> when i've heard chants. >> which can be antisemitic depending on the context, when cohen for the genocide of the jewish people. so those would not be counter to the rules? >> that would be investigated as harassment, if pervasive and severe. >> if it is directed and severe, it is harassment. >> so the answer is yes? >> it is a context dependent position, congresswoman. >> that's a context dependent decision? that's your testimony? colin for the death of jews it is a context dependent question? this is the easiest to question to answer yes. >> antisemitic contact when it

-- amounts to intimidation, that is actionable conduct and we do take action. >> so the answer is yes, that colon for the genocide of jews the highlights profit code of conduct, correct? >> again, it depends on the context. >> it does not depend on the context. the answer is yes and this is what you should resign. these are unacceptable answers across the board. >> since tuesday, all have taken time to clarify their remarks. at harvard, president gay issued a statement saying calls for violence or genocide against the jewish community or any religious or ethnic group are, quote, vial. they have no place at harvard and those who threaten our jewish students will be held to account. i'm pleased these leaders have been willing to own up to their mistakes and engage in a dialogue. because, yes, freedom of speech

is a complicated issue. and those presidents are trying to protect the right of free speech, especially in private universities where they are not bound legally by the first amendment. but i also want to be very clear. any speech that calls for violence or eradication of people against a specific group of people cannot be tolerated. college leaders across the country do not need to react to that noise of a crowd. they need to have the inner guts to stand up for everyone and demand what is right and just for each and every group of people, whether they're black, white, israeli, palestinian, we must stand up against violence. i'll be right back. be right back and it's gentle on her skin. tide free & gentle is epa safer choice certified. it's got to be tide.

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tomorrow at five pm eastern for another live hour of politicsnation. and one of my guess, actor and comedian, kenan thompson. you know him from saturday night live. he has a new book out and to new movies that he is in. you do not want to miss it. that is tomorrow, sunday, right here on politicsnation. american voices with alicia menendez starts right now! thank you so much reverend sharpton. hello everyone, i'm alicia menendez. we begin tonight with breaking those. the president of -- has voluntarily resigned after a contentious congressional hearing earlier this week over antisemitism on campus, she will stay on until the replacement is found and will keep her position at a temporary faculty member at penn law. we'll get more to this later. now donald trump on his revenge tour. he is pleading to the court of public opinion, whether or