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jack smith writing, quote, it is of imperative public importance that respondent's claims of immunity be resolved by this court and that the respondent's trial proceed as promptly as possible. if his claim of immunity is rejected. so will the justices weigh in, and if they do not, what does jack smith do next? joining us now, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard on the politics of all of this, msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin, and former acting assistant attorney general for national security and nbc news legal analyst, mary mccord. i will start with you. does the supreme court say, yes, we will weigh in, and we will weigh in quickly? >> i think they will say that they will weigh in. that is fairly unusual procedure to seek what's called certify j

they found other cases important enough take directly from a district court ruling without a stop at the circuit court of appeals on the way. what could be more important. the court did this also back in the nixon case, back when a watergate case was going to trial, against someone else involved in watergate, and the special counsel sought documents to subpoena them from president nixon who had refused and sought to quash that subpoena, and because those materials were needed, it was the tapes were needed for that prosecution, this is another case where the special counsel went straight from the district court up to the supreme court. the supreme court took that case, and from the time it went up until it was resolved, it was just a matter of weeks, and trial was able to start as scheduled. that's exactly the game plan that jack smith is following now, and i do think the supreme court will take the case. >> that is the game plan that jack smith is following. we know how the supreme court

weighed in on that. let me ask you about how this makeup, this court, whether we can apply past as precedent with the justices sitting on the supreme court. three were appointed by donald trump. >> right, but i would not take the appointment of three justices by donald trump as necessarily an indicator of how they will rule on the question of presidential immunity. there's no actual precedent for absolute immunity from prosecution for a president. there is immunity that is a limited immunity for civil cases against a president, but no precedent, and i know precedent and president sound similar so i'm going to try not to use the same word so it's not confusing. there's no case resolved when it comes to criminal immunity, immunity from criminal prosecution. it's a very important issue, and i do think we have certainly seen this court, notwithstanding

its makeup, issue opinions that aren't always favorable to mr. trump. you know, back when the white house select committee sought presidential records as part of its investigation into january 6th, mr. trump sought to prevent those presidential records asserting an executive privilege. that case also went up to the supreme court after mr. trump lost in both the district court and the court of appeals, and the supreme court refused to reverse that ruling, refused to stay it and denied cert. that was a blow to the former president. documents that were a substantial part of the house select committee's extensive report on january 6th, those immediately started flowing over to the house select committee. i think the supreme court will be looking at this case based on its importance to the rule of law, based on history and precedent, and i'm not going to predict the outcome, but i will say that judge chutkan's

decision denying absolute presidential immunity was a very very strong decision, founded in the text of the constitution, which has no immunity provision for presidents, founded in our structure, our separation of powers structure. >> she does say that, there is no immunity in the constitution, it does not exist for presidents. i want to get into the constitution and what it says in a moment, but let's talk about, lisa, this is a big risk, there's a record for what judges have decided in the past on these cases and whether he has the ability to stop documents, et cetera. but still, if jack smith doesn't get this, everything is gone, lection interference case kaput, you can have arguments about the classified documents case, all sorts of things will be endangered in terms of the ability to hold donald trump accountable for his actions. >> let's start, katy, from the premise that many of us thing

the only case that could be tried before the election is the one in question now. and of course the supreme court has another option available to it which is it doesn't have to grant cert before judgment. they don't have to rule on the merits. i agree they probably will. they could say we're going to wait to see what the d.c. circuit does. which is what makes what jack smith did today particularly brilliant because it has a two-headed strategy. on one hand he's going to the d.c. circuit and saying please expedite the appeal so the case can be tried, and saying to the supreme court, let us leapfrog the d.c. circuit and come directly to you. >> is that potentially problematic, does the d.c. circuit say, what are you doing, why are you trying to leapfrog us? does it backfire? >> they understand time is of the essence, this is urgent and we understand as the special counsel's office that trump's appeal on the immunity decision necessarily pauses the trial.

>> does he have any merit when he argues immunity is this is there any standing, any case law, any precedent he's relying on when he says i was president of the united states, i shouldn't be held accountable for what happened on january 6th or i was president, and i was doing my duty as somebody who is supposed to protect the constitution, and i felt the election was not fair. so it was just due diligence? >> i can tell you yes and no, right. in the civil context, the supreme court has recognized that there is limited civil immunity for presidents when they are acting within what is described as the outer perimeter of their duty. there is no criminal precedent theory. the other problem for donald trump is the d.c. circuit decided in three civil cases having to do with january 6th that that limited civil immunity isn't available to donald trump, why? because he wasn't acting in his official capacity but a campaign one, and it's very likely that a court could decide the same thing here with respect to criminal immunity.

yes, maybe the president is entitled to some criminal immunity, but it could be fact specific, and depending on whether he's acting in the outer perimeter of his official duties. >> i'm going to get to the politics in a moment. if the supreme court does weigh in and they do say that he does not have immunity, they allow the case to go forward, does that mean, as i said in the open, that this would happen on schedule in march or near to that or does donald trump have another delay tactic that he could potentially use? >> well, there are a lot of the proceedings right now in the district court are staged. now, jack smith filed just yesterday or maybe it was this morning. i swear there's been so many filings in the last 48 hours, it's hard to keep track, but did file a brief in the district court saying we agree with donald trump that there is an automatic stay that happens when you have appealed something but it's not a stay of everything.

the district court can decide certain motions that have been fully briefed and still require the government to keep preparing for trial. unclear how the district court is going to rule. certain proceedings will be stayed in the district court. it really depends on how fast the supreme court rules, they take the case, rule against donald trump. will they rule against him before march 4th, and will it be enough time before march 4th to get a jury selected and impanelled and ready to go or will it slip by days or weeks. that remains to be seen, but the schedule that jack smith is asking for is aggressive. it's trump, file your opposition by next monday. supreme court, i hope you would decide it quickly at your next conference, and then a note that in the nixon case, the supreme court took it one week later, and then they said, this is the schedule. once the supreme court, we would suggest that the parties exchange briefs 14 days later,

replies seven days later, and arguments scheduled. with that schedule, we could be talking about the case being fully briefed and argued by the middle to late january. >> vaughn, let's talk about the politics of this. we have seen donald trump at his civil trial in new york. how much attention is he paying to this elections case in d.c.? >> absolutely, we have to come back to the time line here. frankly, i don't know if we're ready for this, the campaigns are ready for this or the legal team. once we get to the point of march 4th here, this is going to be a race to the finish line because july 15th, i'm not talking about november of 2024, i'm talking about july 15th. that is the day the republican national convention begins. right now, if polling holds, donald trump wins the nomination outright, but could they come this next summer, the republican delegates with their gop nominee convicted on federal crimes. that's going to be a decision on the floor of the convention. >> can they pull an audible?

are the delegates tied to what the states sdmds. >> -- states decide. >> there was kerfuffle whether ted cruz could take over the nomination, and he argued there would be riots on the street. >> there were ted cruz allies that were trying to unbind the delegates. that is political party, they can do whatever the heck they want. next summer, if 2/3 vote to unbind the delegates, you've got a festive party here. he has no incentive to have this trial began on march 4th. april, may, june, there's a couple of intervening weeks between the time that the trial could conclude and the timehe convention could take place, and it would be up to the republican party activists toermine whether or not they want donald trump as the party's nominee, understanding a conviction is

taking place. >> do they see this as an asset politically? they say that publicly. this is helping us. there are people that argue if there are no cases against them, he would have just failed off and not been able to regain as much power as he so far has been able to do because there's been so much tension, and he's been able to paint himself as a victim in this. >> i don't think anybody legally is going to make the case that this is beneficial if you're going to trial. at the same time, what we are increasingly hearing is i am told by allies of donald trump and aides of his, look where the polling numbers stand. here in iowa just today, we have the new polling numbers. >> 51%. >> 51%. 70% said they are firm in their support of him. his numbers have only grown here and for donald trump, somebody emboldened by this year, he has seen every advantage to indictments and to the intention that this is garnered because he made the case to the american public that he is being

politically targeted in an effort to take down the maga movement. right now, the republican electorate is siding with the argument. >> let me ask you about that narrow gag order that we talked about last week, reinstated in the elections case. this was regarding what donald trump could say about witnesses, potential witnesses. shortly after that, a few hours later, after you and i talked about this. donald trump went, i believe, on social media, and went after bill barr, calling him a coward. does that constitute a violation of the gag order? >> not in my view. law is an art, not a science. you might get a different answer from mary and a number of lawyers who come on the show. in my view, no. the reason is because it's not concerning his participation in the trial or in the investigation. calling bill barr a coward in the abstract could be about anything. if he said bill barr is a coward, and i don't think he has the courage to come to the trial and testify, that might across

the line. as it is, bill barr is a an epithet, but not a violation of the gag order. >> donald trump was supposed to be testifying today, but decided not to. maybe his lawyers decided it wasn't a good idea to end the case on a bad note with the judge. we saw what happened with the judge when the defense called him or when the prosecution called him to testify. we're going to wait on the judge's decision i that case. it's still ongoing. we should probably get something in january. is that what you expect? >> i expect a few weeks after january. closing arguments are january 11th, and judge arthur engoron said he will take a few weeks to make up his mind and issue a ruling. >> $250 million is what the ag wants. vaughn hillyard, lisa rubin, mary mccord, thank you very much. ag ken paxton said it did not matter that her baby would not survive. now kate cox says she will leave the state to get an emergency abortion. what the texas supreme court is saying.

plus, where is alexei navalny, the jailed russian opposition leader didn't show up to court today, and his lawyers haven't heard from him. but first, how much will rudy giuliani owe. his georgia defamation case started today. what the jury heard from lawyers on day one. we are back in 60 seconds. portu. ♪ please be a phone, please be a phone. is it a phone? oh, it smells like a cat nip toy from chewy. that's not a phone. get a free, $30 egift card at chewy. this is better than toilet paper get great deals on gifts that deliver excitement, at chewy.

rudy giuliani is officially on trial right now. it is day one of the $43.5 million defamation suit brought by shaye moss and ruby freeman. opening statements are underway. a judge has found giuliani liable for smearing the mother and daughter as he tried to overturn the 2020 election results. a jury will decide what the damages are. joining us outside the district courthouse, nbc's justice reporter, ryan reilly.

opening statements, what are they hearing? >> reporter: the defense attorney general in this case representing rudy giuliani said at the owned of this trial he's going to ask jurors to award damages to the plaintiffs and have his client be on the hook for damages. he didn't say how much that's going to be. that should be on the lower end of the spectrum. he brought up the johnny depp trial, saying they were asking for more money than johnny depp, and at some point, you need to relate the amount of money requested back to some realistic figure for what the damages were here. it's really about what money figure they're going to land on. you had a really compelling case put together by the plaintiff's attorneys here, talking about the damage that this had. the racist attacks that they had after these false claims were made against these two georgia workers, and of course we heard testimony already from the january 6th committee, where

shaye moss laid out exactly what happened to her as a result of some of these false claims against her. take a listen. >> it has turned my life upside down. i no longer give out my business card. i don't transfer calls. i don't want anyone knowing my name. >> reporter: so there's some really dramatic obviously testimony there that we should hear more of, ultimately when they actually take the stand. and rudy giuliani himself is expected to take the stand in his own defense so this case should probably wrap up by the end of the week here. but we'll figure out what exactly damages rudy giuliani will be forced to pay, and whether or not he can indeed pay those. he's on the hook for so much, and is in fact selling his home in new york because of some of the figures that he's facing.

the consequences of what people did in 2020 are now in 2023 coming home to roost. >> a remind over more of what he is currently facing. isn't one of his lawyers, his long time lawyers also suing him because he hasn't been paid? >> reporter: unfortunately lost you. can't hear. >> can you hear me now, ryan? >> reporter: i can hear you, yep. >> good. remind us what rudy giuliani is facing, isn't one of his long time lawyers suing him because he hasn't been paid? >> reporter: he is, yeah. so he's facing a lot of liability coming down the pipeline here including that lawsuit from one of his lawyers who's representing him. and of course he also has these two criminal cases sitting out there, one that's already on the books, and one that will be forthcoming, because he is unindicted coconspirator number one in jack smith's

investigation, and those unindicted coconspirators can expect the charges to come forward as well, that's all if donald trump is not in the president's office. obviously then the justice department is going to have a much different procedure towards all of these individuals who have been associated with donald trump and the jack smith case. >> ryan reilly, thank you very much. and coming up next, doctors say her baby will not survive, and if she does not end the pregnancy, she might not be able to get pregnant again. a court agreed but now texas ag ken paxton is involved. what the mom says she's going to do. israel says it is the beginning of the end. what officials there say about hamas's ability to wage war. blet small communities can achieve. trying to give a better life to people that don't have the means to do it. si mi papá estuviera vivo, sé que él tuviera orgulloso también de vivir de esta viviendo una vida como la que estamos viviendo ahora.

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kate cox, the pregnant mom of two will leave texas to get an emergency abortion according to a new court filing. doctors say the fetus she's caring has a fatal genetic disorder, and every day she continues the pregnancy will engage her ability to get pregnant again. cox sued the state for an abortion and won, but after texas ag ken paxton petitioned, the decision was stayed by the texas supreme court. joining us now, nbc news senior legal correspondent and coanchor of "saturday today," laura jarrett. bring us up to speed with what happened in this case. when we went home on friday, she

was allowed to get an abortion. >> when we spoke to her, she was overjoyed relieved. she got what she wanted from a state court judge in texas, and just before midnight on friday, the supreme court, the highest state court pressed pause. they didn't rule on the merits, we're going to slow things down so we can get up to speed. she doesn't have that time to wait. she has been to the er four times in the last month. this is a serious situation for her, and obviously according to her attorneys today, her health situation deteriorated in some way. she was in dire straits, the legal argument was bumping up against the reality of the situation for her health. >> what was ken paxton's argument for why the judge in the lower court should not have gotten involved. >> their argument is she does not meet the requirements for what is deemed to be a medical emergency in the state of texas.

generally there are overlapping abortion bans in the state. the general rule is as long as some fetal heart activity, cardiac activity is detected at six weeks, as soon as they hear that, they can no longer do an abortion. she has to carry it to term until the heart beat is no more. that could go on for quite a long time. meanwhile, again, her health is deteriorating. >> the supreme court, what impetus do they have. what do they have to rule quickly on this? >> she has taken away the emergency part of it. she would say, look, this case is still alive. i want to get pregnant again. i'm trying to get pregnant again. that was the whole point of this. she would say, actually this case is sort of a live controversy because if i do get pregnant again, i want to vindicate my rights in my home state. she wants to keep the lawsuit live but the emergency piece of this is taken off the table.

>> the language in the law is clearly vague. doctors don't know when they can perform abortions. there is the ag who is saying we will prosecute you, we will prosecute you, making it very scary. >> despite she had a court order, he sent three hospitals a letter that basically says we're watching you. >> there are other women in the same situation. is there going to become a point, the supreme court in texas might want to get involved to clarify the language. >> they're going to be forced to. they have a case in front of them right now, due to a woman you spoke to, somebody who suffered such an unimaginable trauma. she's somebody who lost a pregnancy, and sued. kate cox was someone who was currently pregnant. that's what made her case different. the supreme court of texas is going to be ruling on that medical exception you know, in the next couple of months, i would say. this is a live issue. they're going to have to decide this soon. >> i feel badly for her. it's a terrible situation to be in, and to have to go into

another state when you already have two kids to get an abortion is a real struggle. laura jarrett, thank you very much. and in michigan, governor whitmer rolled back a law that required women to get additional elective insurance to cover an abortion even in cases of rape. julie tsirkin caught up with whitmer in the moments before she repealed this law. >> when we get into these fights that are worth having because we can win, it night take longer than it should, ten years is a long time, but to be here today to know that i can get rid of this rape insurance law that has created yet another barrier for women in michigan to having real reproductive freedom, it's really a remarkable moment for me personally, but i think most importantly for the people of my state. and now we have breaking

news on capitol hill where the house is expected to vote on wednesday to formalize the impeachment inquiry into president biden. joining us from capitol hill is nbc news senior political reporter, sahil kapur. what do we know? >> reporter: that's right, katy. the vote in the house is now expected this wednesday to formalize the impeachment inquiry into president biden that former speaker mccarthy launched unilaterally before he was overthrown by his colleagues. the idea is this would give republicans more weight, more heft to their investigations. mike johnson has sold this to skeptical members as a way to continue the investigation. he insists this does not mean an impeachment vote is inevitable. it will put every republican on the record, including 18 members in biden won districts, 17 now that george santos is gone who are skeptical about moving

forward with impeachment. they don't have direct evidence of wrong doing on the part of president biden based on the activities of his son hunter biden. the vote is expected wednesday. it's not locked in yet. there's always flexibility there. they're moving the resolution through the rules committee tomorrow, and we will find out where it all comes down. finally, the margin here is small for republicans. they can only lose three votes. a fourth vote against this impeachment inquiry means that the project will collapse if as we expect, all democrats vote against it. >> sahil kapur. thank you very much. and coming up, israel says it has hamas on the the ropes. so does that mean the war is close to over? and what hundreds of harvard faculty members say should happen to the school's president, dr. claudine gay. every breath matters. don't let rsv take your breath away. protect yourself from rsv with abrysvo,

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israel says today marks, quote, the beginning of the end of hamas in gaza. a government official says hamas is confident that the military infrastructure has been destroyed. the idf continues to push south looking for hamas chief yahya sinwar. they believe a surrender would end the war immediately, the u.n. is trying to get israel to unilaterally stop fighting now. in proportion, the destruction of buildings in gaza is more or less or even greater than the

destruction suffered by the german cities during the second world war. joining us now from tel aviv is nbc news correspondent hala gorani. so hala, the fighting is intense, the humanitarian crisis in gaza, we saw this every day, but it does just keep getting worse. what about the hostages, is there -- what's the concern among hostages who have already been freed? >> we are hearing from hostages who have been freed. we heard from one 34-year-old woman. also nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel was able to speak exclusively to a lady whose face and name you'll probably recognize as she was freed in the second batch alongside an 80-year-old hostage. she's 85. her name is yosavich, freed on october 23rd, after spending three weeks. captured from kibbutz nir oz, a

peace activist, and someone who obviously at her age would have suffered from the conditions that she was held in. and she's sounding the alarm saying that those who are left behind still in captivity, we understand, 137 hostages still held by hamas in gaza really need to be freed or some of them may not survive. listen to a portion of richard's interview. >> there was a cease fire, a truce, and dozens of hostages got out. how concerned are you about the ones who didn't get out and why? >> translator: time is limited for life and when you're over there, the lack of air in the tunnels, as well as the shortage of food and medicine could bring people to complete exhaustion, and they just won't make it. they need to get out today. otherwise they won't live.

>> reporter: all right. and this is obviously very painful to hear for the families of the remaining hostages who are just begging their government at this stage to put the lives of the people abducted by hamas over the eventual military aims just as of course we have been discussing every day, katy, the humanitarian situation is going from bad to worse for civilians in the gaza strip. >> hala gorani, thank you very much. and joining us now is independent journalist, noga tarnopolsky who spent two decades covering the conflict. it's good to have you. let me ask you about hostages, because there is some word from a news outlet out there, channel 12 in israel that a deal might be -- there might be a restarting of talks for another hostage deal? >> yeah, from my understanding saying that there's a restart of talks is a bit of an exaggeration. but several israeli outlets are

reporting that israel is actually seeking to restart some kind of negotiations and try and save the lives of whoever's life can still be saved among these 137 hostages. i heard tonight there's some debate about whether to insist that hamas stick to the terms of the previous agreement that had women and children first or to accept changes to that, but there's a lot of talk this that direction. >> let me ask you about what the idf is also saying which is that they're saying this is the beginning of the end of hamas. they have been able to take out the military infrastructure. what else are you hearing from the government about who they have been able to find down there, and what they have been able to do? >> well, i think it's crucial to say this they have not -- at least they haven't announced it. it doesn't appear they have gotten either yahya sinwar, or

mohammed def the military chief for hamas in gaza. today we heard a lot of, i would say, big statements that many numerous, dozens of hamas, top hamas officers are in israeli custody. no names were released, and we have been hearing for a while now, certainly more than a week from the israeli military that hamas is beginning to lose control. we hear that also from international organizations in gaza, and that hamas's end is nigh. that said, i think it's really important to note hamas still has military capacities. israel was under a rain of missiles today. it is not normal life in israe by any western standard. i don't know if we should be taking these statements with a grain of salt or if it's kind of part of this boastful war like talk. >> a missile made it through the iron dome and hit a tel aviv suburb. >> yeah, at least two missiles

today hit the ground. one direct hit in a house. one of the reasons that israelis are not getting hurt in any important numbers is some were lucky, but mostly many many many israeli communities remain completely empty. so there was a rain of missiles and rockets launched at the israeli north today, and simply, no one is living there right now. this is abandoned territory. israel has basically said this swath of our country is not livable right now, and so no one is getting hurt. the missiles keep coming. those from the north, it's unclear if it's from a lebanese, israel is blaming hezbollah. it's not clear right now. >> we're looking at images out of gaza. the destruction is insane. the u.n. is saying that it appears to be worse or at least commiserate with the destruction

that germany experienced during world war ii, and that was, you know, sustained bombing for quite a long time. you have almost the entire population has moved south. you have thousands of people dead. the u.n. says it's mostly women and children. it's just awful down there. the israeli government is facing international pressure for a cease fire. they say hamas could end this tomorrow. what's the talk among israelis there about what they want to see happen? are they okay with the images that are coming out? i know there's a lot of anger and upset over october 7, justifiably so. is the public support still there for what we're seeing in gaza? >> i'm not sure we can talk about public support for what we're seeing in gaza. one thing that has to be said, while there are daily reports in israel, the bulk of the coverage of this war does not touch on the massive destruction and the

human suffering in gaza. it touches on the israeli aspects and israeli media has really, for me, at least, been surprisingly during these last two months. i think that israelis feel mostly scared. i think israelis believe that hamas has not been defeated, and they believe hamas when hamas says it wants to rain that kind of terror down on israel again. i think israelis are completely unpersuaded by what its government says it will cope going until there's no more danger from gaza, and i think that all of this general fear and general inability to trust the authorities has moved israelis into places where they're not really looking at those images in the way that people are broad. that said, you know, every day, there is mention that gazans are

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the ajs answer is yes that calling for the genocide of jews violates the harvard code of conduct. >> it depends on the context. >> it does not depend on the context. the answer is yes and this is why you should design. >> a decision could come as soon as today. i don't know why we froze. i think we had a malfunction there. the university of pennsylvania president liz mcgill resigned. she had been drawing criticism before her congressional testimony. dr. claudine gay is getting

support from faculty, including people who were highly critical of her testimony on capitol hill. >> exactly. even some of the students who aren't part of this letter signing effort who i spoke to -- full disclosure, i'm an alum of harvard. i know people on campus, professors and undergrads now. the concern they have is, even if we are disappointed with the way we handled this. we wish she had denounced genocide and been clear about her support to jewish students, do we want to send a signal that we'll allow politicians in d.c. and mega donors push people out the door? claudine gay stepped into this position months ago. harvard hasn't had many female leaders, and no black ones.

this was a landmark moment. it represented a change in harvard's history. to so quickly see that, i think that's part of the resistance here, even people who are critical of her, who would not say they're her supporters, don't want to a signal they're okay with this ouster. >> we had some mic issues, but i think people are caught up. harvard could decide today. any insight about what the meeting was like yesterday? >> we know this was a routine meeting. they didn't schedule an emergency meeting, which was something people were asking about. is this a meeting all about claudine gay? that's not the case. we know that claudine gay came up in that discussion. what remains to be seen is will a new statement come out? will the university reaffirm their support or will we see a leadership change in the coming days? that's at harvard and m.i.t. as

well. >> antonia, thank you very much. up next, where is he? alexei navalny didn't show up in court today. what his supporters are warning. .

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it's not just possible, it's happening. alexei navalny has not been heard from in six days. navalny was due in court today via video link, but did not appear. officials at the prison citing electricity problems according to the associated press. lawyers have not been able to access navalny for days. joining us now nbc news correspondent megan fitzgerald. remind us of where alexei navalny currently is. >> what we know is his attorney and his allies are concerned about his whereabouts. as you mentioned, it's been nearly a week since they heard from him.

we know that navalny was being held in vladimir, russia, just outside of moscow. we know his lawyers showed up at the colony where he was being held and was told he's not there. they don't have any information of him being there. another attorney went to another facility in that area where he may have been transferred to, and, again, was told he's not on the roster. there's a great concern about his well being and the united states government is concerned. the u.s. state department issued a statement just within the last few hours. i'll read part of it for you. they said, we do not have any information about his whereabouts. we are deeply concerned for mr. navalny's well being. we communicated to the russian government that they are responsible for what happens to mr. navalny and they'll be held accountable by the international community. to give you some context, if he is undergoing a prison transfer,

historically it's a process that's known to take a long time. sometimes weeks can go by and there's no information about the whereabouts of a prisoner. even still, there is still serious concern for his well being and his whereabouts which is why we're seeing his attorneys sounding the alarm and the u.s. state department coming out with that comment. >> he is vladimir putin's fiercest foe. he was arrested in january of 2021. he was coming back from germany to moscow where he was recuperating from a nerve agent that they blame on moscow. megan, thank you very much. that is going to do it for me. "deadline white house" starts right now. ♪♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. i'm