there more. the super pack supporting ron desantis has spent -- cut its spending. eight days after the iowa caucus is the new hampshire primary so each of these campaigns have to do doubletime. >> i have one more question. if you indulge me for a moment i am wondering if in fact he will vote for former president trump if he does not win the nomination >> if we get to the general election will you vote for donald trump in the general election? >> i will probably still write in desantis. i can vote for him this time. >> ryan, thanks.

>> von hilliard. 2:00 p.m. eastern andrew mitchell picks up the coverage right now. and right now on andrea mitchell reports the white house with a strong message to israel's prime minister. scaled-down, large-scale offensive in gaza after thousands of civilian deaths. >> all i will say is we had an intent detailed conversation on this transition and i can't share publicly the details of that because again if i laid out for you either what i thought the is really right now or what i am inking that would just give fodder to the enemy. >> also this hour new hampshire's republican government -- governor on his decision to back nikki haley for president ahead of his state critical primary contest and on the backlash from president trump. rudy giuliani's financial fate

in the hands of a d.c. jury that could award tens of millions of dollars in damages to two georgia election workers who the different -- disgraced former attorney publicly defamed asus claims about election fraud. good day everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington the white house no pressuring israel to end its large-scale ground offensive in gaza and switch to a new phase launching a more targeted phase to prevent so many casualties. we want to see the results matchup. >> we want to them be more

deliverable and more cautious going forward. >> nbc news has confirmed that a u.s. intelligence assessment shows half of the munitions israel has dropped on gaza so far are called dumb bombs. the unguided explosives are less precise and pose a greater threat to civilians. especially in gaza's densely populated neighborhoods. the intelligence disclosure comes days after president biden said that israel risked using international support over what he called its indiscriminate bombing. while the region national security advisor jake sulliv announced that israel has agreed to open a border crossing from israel into gaza for humanitarian aid to augment the small number of trucks with aid now going to the crossing from egypt in the south. president biden asked israel to do that in a phone call one week ago but it has not happened. this according to white house officials. european officials write a new hamas terror threat. the arrest of seven suspected hamas members thursday in germany, denmark and the

netherlands accused of plotting to attack jewish institutions of europe. we start with nbc senior white house course bonded kelly o'donnell, chief foreign correspondent richard engel in jericho and a former israeli consulate general in new york. kelly, jake sullivan in israel now in the west bank with a strong message from washington they are not saying that they explicitly pressured them or giving them timelines but this is clearly a breach. they are clearly concerned about the way this war is going >> the message is clear. they would like to see greater care towards the civilians. the administration as you pointed out is not expressly detailing the exact parameters of what they are advising israel and some of that is

because they are part acting that diplomatic relationship and that partnership wanting to have frank and candid discussions behind the screens. the fact that jake sullivan representing the president is there and having those meeting face-to-face gives you a sense of the level at which this is being taken seriously. the fact that it may not be shared with all of us may not mean that it's not happening in a concentrated or forceful way. they have a legitimate goal in eradicating hamas but they also have a responsibility and in the context of world opinion it is important for israel to retain that credibility with the global community about how they are conducting this war. understanding that war is difficult. it will take months. it is hard but at the same time what can israel do to be mindful of restraint where it can knowing that the enemy would come off has long been intact

to embed with the civilian population inherently making it difficult. for the security adviser to have these meetings in and of itself says that there is a real desire to push this to the next level. andrea? >> some of this was really precipitated by the hard-line that benjamin netanyahu took this week after a conversation with president biden where he made some of the same points. he then reiterated their opposition to a two state solution to a palestinian homeland at the end of all of this. so any kind of hope for the past indian people which is much joe biden's position and has been the u.s. position for decades and decades. that could have pushed us into sending jake sullivan.

it could also be the amount of rage and opposition that is building among american allies in the middle east. we were just talking about civilian casualties and you mentioned in the open about dumb bombs so where i am right now i am in the city of jericho which is on the west bank and i am in a university that has become a refugee center for palace indians from gaza so everyone here is from gaza and they were working inside israel legally and they had permits from the is really government. it is not easy to get a permit like this to work in israel. some of them had working in israel for many years. i spoke for a man who worked inside rebuilding homes for the last 35 years. and there are 210 people from gaza here all men and i have been going for the last several hours room to room in this

sensor talking to people how they are doing and how families are doing and according to the director 150 people here have had their homes destroyed so they have nowhere to go back to and in almost every case except for one somebody had lost a relative or more. in some cases one man lost nine of his family members including his children. another told me he lost 12 of his family members. he told me how upsetting he was he was eating a piece of red and he said what bothers him most is knowing that his brother's body is still under the rubble because they can't get any heavy equipment there and he's imagining that stray dogs are eating the remains and another one told me how he is so upset because he was eating something and his son, his

young son starving in a school with hundreds of people around. it is just a snapshot of people who couldn't by definition hamas because they have already been checked out extensively by the israeli security services otherwise they would not have been allowed to work inside of israel. and just walking around here for the last couple of hours and having these conversations get a sense of how wide scale the damages. how wide scale the impact has been on the civilians of gaza. so the rift could be because of the two state solution. it could be because of the humanitarian collapse that is destroying the fabric of society in gaza in addition to trying to uproot hamas. >> that's all such good points and it's such an important person active. these also of course,

palestinian authority leader -- jake sullivan met with him today and that is a continuing problem because who will leave the palestinian authority? who will lead the west bank? they say a post should eventually govern gaza after hamas is eliminated but benjamin netanyahu opposes that. critics say he's -- hoping they would get him re-elect and delay accountability for the october 7th intelligence failure. former ambassador to the u.s. says this is not the time to begin my political campaigns want to ask about that. how much of this maneuvering has to do with the political situation? >> 101% andrea.

since 629 a.m. on saturday, over seven -- has been doing nothing but trying to manage his political role survivability. this has to do with blaming the military. blaming the general security service, that she bought, blaming implicitly the u.s., president biden. blaming everyone but himself. all he is doing now is about political survivability. that being established doesn't mean that there's no just defied an justifiable military operation going on in gaza but if you are asking about his demeanor, his conduct is prosecution is management of the work gets 100% political.

we met ambassador pincus with that and how damaged his political standing is with his own people there is still really a united determination on the part of israel to eliminate hamas ship. we're seventh is raw and the savagery of that and they see you next essential threat understandably. >> there is no question about that. you are right. the devastation, the anger, the humiliation and the exact natural human desire for revenge is there. and toppling hamas or eradicating or eliminating it politically to the point that it has no -- it politically incapacitated has no residual power neither political nor military is absolutely prevalent in israeli society.

that does not absolve mr. netanyahu of his responsibility and accountability to in recent posts as recent as three days ago 72% of israelis want him to resign. 31% now and 41% immediately after the war which makes it 72%. defeating hamas is a consensus in israel. whether you are a right-winger who doesn't want any kind of accommodation with the palestinians or if you are a left-winger who believes in a two state solution eventually. defeating hamas is a prerequisite >> richard engel, kelly o'donnell and -- pincus, thank you. and ran to a lab report from georgia were former trump chief of staff mark meadows tries once again to move his fulton county election interference case to federal court. that's next.

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former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows lawyers were in front of the appeals court trying again to have his fulton county towards her election interference moved from state to federal court and also the trial would not be televised. appearing before three judges today his attorney argued that he was acting in his official capacity as white house chief of staff when he was in georgia before the 2020 election and therefore should be immune from prosecution. prosecutors argued that interfering with the presidential election in georgia which they alleged is not part of any white house chief of staff's official duties. antoday one of three judges on the court sounded quite skeptical about this claim. >> according to him it seems like everything was within his offialduties. election -- on the behalfof a

spit of the political candidate and an alleged to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of a particular candidate when the office of the president has no preference for who occupies. >> joining me now is correspondent blayne alexander in atlanta and former manhattan district attorney catherine christian. so a previous attempt by mark meadows to move the case to federal court failed. what we hear in court today might change that? >> well andrea today's hearing was pretty short. each side only got 15 minutes but interesting was today's hearing anyway harken back to that. we heard several times mark meadows testimony that everything he did so under the scope of his actions as a federal officer. we heard that brought back up today.

one question is does that argument apply a former hetero officer which of course is what mark meadows currently is so that was another thing at the center of the hearing we do know the judges could take several weeks before they come back with a decision. keep in mind that there is a timeline of course watching that with a parallel timeline of what's happening in fulton county. the district attorney funny willis made it clear she wants to try this case in august and have all of the remaining defendant tried together -- if the judges here decide to reject that argument again mark meadows is well within his rights to appeal that decision possibly all the way up to the supreme court and the holiday question becomes what sort of impact would that have on the timeline? >> catherine, what are the chances of meadows succeeding this time?

>> i'm sorry, i think he's going to fail again andrea and as he said he will probably try to have the supreme court review it. i mean he was hurt by his testimony. the testimony that he gave in the district court essentially established that he was involved in campaign activity on behalf of the president. yes he was chief of staff of the time that he committed these acts, yes he was a federal official at the time but it can't be said that allegedly trying to overturn the results of an election are part of your official duties of chief of staff. and remember county indictment alleges eight overt acts that mr. meadows took as part of the conspiracy as part of this election interference in georgia though he may have done it on behalf of the president at the time, the charges say that what he did and what

president trump did was part of their official duties the presidency or as of chief of staff. >> thank you. and the humanitarian emergency conditions become more dire by the moment in gaza. the head of the international rescue committee joins us and tells us what is being done to help save those civilian lives. you are watching andrea mitchell reports. this is msnbc. msnbc.

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million residents have been displaced israel bombing and half the population can face starvation as a humanitarian crisis worsens. that's according to the u.n. and other rescue groups earlier today national security advisor jake sullivan said israel's government has started to order it bordered -- border crossing for delivery of aid into gaza. that would be the first since the war began and it could vastly include the amount of aid trickling in through the crossing the temporary cease- fire. international rescue committee is out withannual emergency watch list report oking at the world's growing humanitarian crisis. sudan tops that list where there is a civil war again followed by the palestinian territories of gaza and the west bank. along with south sudan. joining me now is the president and ceo of the international

rest committee david --, the former british foreign secretary and son of refugees. david miliband, thank you. these headlines really represent millions and millions of people starving, women vic demised, -- in sudan. i have seen the refugees there myself coming over from sudan. would u.n. and official say this is another genocide? now you have gaza were the whole world can see what's happening. her annual report is so importantly now. >> thank you. we're right to put this into historical perspective because a number of people in humanitarian need around the world, the number of people who need the support of a rips to survive has increased fourfold in the last 10 years.

300 million people around the world are in humanitarian need which sounds unaddress but what a report shows isthat these 20 countries represent about 86% of total humanitarian need and so first of all three big trends that the conflict and climate -- climate crises are coming together. that civil war zooming sponsored by outside and that the economic impact of -- living felt. we also point to the things that need to be done to remediate the situation. your reporting has also shown just like with the crossing there are things that have been done that can save life. >> number two on the watch list is a palestinian territories. gaza and west bank.

what is the critical tipping point that people need to know about there. >> -- last week summoned an extraordinary meeting of the security council because of the threat of disorder tells you quite how serious the situation is. 20,000 people killed. our conclusion from a humanitarian perspective is clear. it's impossible to deliver aid and impossible to protect civilians while the fight is going on. that's the humanitarian case for the cease-fire that you have covered on previous programs. now we can also and must -- the situation literally minute by minute and hour by hour. the national rescue team in egypt at the moment. we have medical expertise, we have expertise in containing contagious diseases, we are partners inside gaza but it's important to work -- impossible to work whether such threat to

life and limb from the fighting and so the conduct of the war makes the humanitarian work impossible. i also just want to point out one other thing that you referred to in passing. referred to gaza and the west bank. that is important too. the health system according to our partners in the west bank where there are millions of palestinians is also under extreme duress and under extreme threat. we know that israel suffered a terrible trauma on the seventh of october with a terrible hamas attack and now there is a trauma for palace indians as well and there's no humanitarian organization -- as a humanitarian organization we need to for civilians. >> now israel of course is saying that they have to get hamas leaders who are using hostages and palestinian civilians as human shields. and embedding themselves in these hospitals and in tunnels.

is there a way perhaps a way that the u.s. is pushing for periodic pauses to get the aid in and get enough in because it has not been going in with 500 or more trucks per day. not even through rafah and to open up the second opening through israel which has not yet been opened. >> we have the experience of a pause three weeks ago or hardly any aid reached people and far too few were able to get out and of course the hostage release was present but then stopped and there remains 140 hostages there. we understand why the conflict in gaza and the war in gaza is getting all the headlines. the purpose of our watch list is also to make the point that there is a range of other crises as well there's also a suffering that is at tended -- dependent on the inability to uphold the most basic standards that aliens have a right to effect and those civilian rights

in war are to aid suppliers and to protect. that is the foundation of the international regime that has been established after 1945 and it so important that it defended. we refer to the conduct of the war which refers to the conduct of both sides and it's important that those fundamental humanitarian principles are articulated and upheld not just in gaza and the west bank but elsewhere as well. >> of course you listed sudan and i was there with an ambassador is trying to shed a spotlight on this and went to the border and watched and talked with the refugees and the world is really ignoring it with security council meetings. that's not even a u.n. camp. that is a camp setting up to become a u.n. camp.

children are dying in infants are coming across. they have such malnutrition that only one in 10 is surviving and the women are being -- raped in the villages in the villages being burned and the men killed. >> this is an important point. we have an international rescue committee incident but also in chan -- chad and south sudan. with all the talk of refugee crises in america and europe the refugees from sudan are in poor countries like south sit on and like chad as well. the sudan case shows how international actors are supporting rebel groups or government side in a conflict that seems to be without end and it obviously has these terrible historic echoes as well. you referred to malnutrition and i think rightly your viewers will be shocked to know that today 35 million children

under the age of five years old are acutely malnourished in the world and 80% of them are not getting the help they need. that is the kind of work that international humanitarian organizations try to do every day and why we need to be able to garner the support to be able to do it. >> well, your teams are heroic. david miliband, thank you. >> thank you. ticking on donald trump i will talk to new hampshire governor, a high profile supporter of nikki haley on his candidate chances in the state and beyond. you are watching andrea mitchell reports.

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they asked for these exhibits. basically the experts report that was used to determine how much it would take to repair the damage that was caused to the reputation of these two women. because those were power points they were not able to get those items directly, that's not really unusual but it shows that jurors are short of zeroing in on what the number amount except for these lies spread. all that was settled by a judge -- it really it was putting this money to it and punitive damages to send a message which is what the plaintiffs argued yesterday during closing arguments telling the jury they want the jury to send a message that you cannot spread these lies about people that have these devastating consequences on the lives of individuals. >> it's something that giuliani

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university pole and a washington post poll showing haley in second place in new hampshire but shis still nearly 30 points behind donald trump so excuse me, does your endorsement put you out of step with most of the republican voters? >> most folks won't make up their mind for the next few weeks so we have about six weeks to go. her numbers are surging long before i got on board because she's connecting with folks and probably more than anybody else i have spent time with chris christie and ron desantis and these are great friends and candidates but at the end of the day when you combine her resume as an incredibly successful governor it's really turning around south carolina as an accountant in understanding physical discipline and bringing in jobs and you add what you mentioned as the former u.n. ambassador international issues are front and center and there is no one that understand those issues like nikki haley but for the hampshire voters mostly you

have to be genuine and you have to connect and she does that. she wants to hear what your questions are and i think by spending time on the ground with our voters she is earning their trust and that is rare in washington. people like it. she has the charisma. more than any other candidate out there and that connection is why you see the numbers jump. my endorsement does not mean much if you don't put something behind it so we will help her reach out to grassroots folks who can help her organize. >> while you are backing nikki haley in iowa of course the first contest in the caucuses governor kim reynolds was also popular and backing ron desantis so does that anti- trump effort gets split? >> the good news is it's being split by three or four right now

and it will keep narrowing down. 12 candidates don't even pay attention. now there is three or four. really aggressively numbers are moving knowing that carolina comes after this and now we have an opportunity to say nikki and i were both with the former president in 16 and we had a great working relationship but republicans want to go forward with the next generation of conservative leadership. we always want to look forward to the next opportunity. not just looking in the rearview mirror. the guy just has chaos and distraction that follows him. he will not get the stuff done that we need done. nikki comes in with an open slate an incredible experience in that connection. not divisiveness. i think the latest poll has trump within the margin of error of joe biden which is very interesting.

haley is up 17 points on joe biden so you want to when the presidency and the congressional seats, the school board seats. that's for nikki haley has an credible opportunity to galvanize the party and bring real options to this country. >> another anti-trump candidate chris christie and he's calling on both nikki haley and ron desantis for attacking each other and not focusing attacks against donald trump. is he right? >> he is a great friend and he has his own style. i don't think you can demand that everyone goes nuclear on trump. everyone will have their message. i think nikki does a great job of talking about what she brings to the table. she calls trump out for what it is and she says it that she

believes he was the right president at the right time but we have to move forward without distractions and a lot of people who have not paid attention are saying that's the right message. these numbers are moving and if in new hampshire nikki haley can win this thing it's a real reset button on the whole election. now the numbers show it really can happen and that will create an incredible opportunity where it is a one-on-one race. right now he will fly into new hampshire and do a rally, no questions and no answers, doesn't have the energy and doesn't talk like he does in 2016. he is a completely different candidate for the worse so he got away with staying out of the limelight but if he has to take on someone one-on-one -- people want to get behind that

and when they see a big win for nikki haley i think all bets are off. conservative leadership of the next country. >> there is a terrible case of a pregnant woman in texas who had to go out of state because of the highly restrict abortion ban. doctors could not permission to do anything that would threaten -- despite the babies fatal genetic condition when i asked about this nikki haley said we have to humanize situation and treated with compassion. she stopped short of calling for the texas law to be amended. why do you think? >> a president will not get asked about move the abortion issue nationally one way or the other, it's just not going to happen. so understanding that the court said this is in states' hands, i believe in that. i think she believes in that. the voters are going to decide, where the texas law is today may change. where any state's law is today may change. you know who has the say, not

judges in washington, not even the president. the voters, the voters can talk to their legislators, their governor, have a say in where they want that to follow. so that's where i'm pro-choice, she's pro-life, but we both agree that that is the absolute path. she's unapologetically pro-life, and there's nothing wrong with that. she also understands the voters in the states are going to have to decide. most folks would agree that that situation in texas was terrible. i think nickky would agree with that and it's likely the voters of texas will go back and rethink their law. that's really up to them. >> and governor, i think we have to leave it there, but thank you very much. >> you bet. >> thanks for being with us. see you in new hampshire. >> thank you. and next, nbc's keir simmons joins me to break down his interview with a long-time top aide to vladimir putin. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. this is msnbc.

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why are we the only birds heading this way? biktarvy can go with you. [ screams ] we're trying to get to jamaica. stay close and... everything will be all right. i'm ok. i'm ok. the kremlin spokesperson today accused the u.s. and the west of unnecessarily prolonging the war in ukraine and sending kyiv conflicting messages about the aid it would receive. that's what dmitry peskov, the kremlin spokesperson, vladimir putin's spokesperson told nbc chief international correspondent keir simmons in an exclusive interview this morning, acknowledging that what russia called a military operation is now much more than that. >> it is a war now, isn't it? >> it is a war, of course.

it is a war. it is war that actually the united states is orchestrating against our country. the world is less safe than it used to be before our dialogue was shut down. >> the message is the fighting continues. >> of course, yes. >> keep fighting. >> listen, america is strongly involved in this conflict. >> keir simmons joins me now from moscow. keir, dmitry peskov said washington is open to some talks with washington but with some caveats. explain. >> reporter: yeah, andrea, russian officials do understand that in the end a war ends with peace talks, every war ends with talks ultimately. i think trying to understand president putin and, frankly, many of us do that, and many of the officials around him spent a lot of time trying to do that,

what you saw for him yesterday, the uncompromising rhetoric, i think he does genuinely believe that russia can gain more on the battlefield than it has gained so far. i suspect he is watching what's happening in washington and you've seen, andrea, of course, europe now questioning whether because of hungary partly, questioning whether it should give billions of euros to ukraine at this stage. it could be a breakthrough for russia, he may really think that. i also think that, you know, about president putin that he's more of a tactician than a strategist. he may be holding a number of possibilities at the same time, kind of see where this goes. and i also did ask dmitry peskov about whether or not he would want to see somebody different in the white house, and he didn't answer directly that question of would you want to see former president trump come back. he did say we'd want to see someone more constructive, and i think, again, many russian officials really do think there

maybe some point at the end of this where they manage it get to that place where russia, as they see it, is treated equally by america. we all know what's happened has frankly made that less likely, and i think that's where the big challenge comes looking ahead trying to predict what happens next and why so many people think this war may continue for a long time because it's difficult to see, even though the kremlin is saying it wants talks, you kind of think what is there to talk about. we know very well, president zelenskyy and ukraine are determined that they want to see russia go back to the pre-2014 internationally recognized borders. >> and just in the few seconds that we have left, do we know anything more about the whereabouts of missing, jailed opposition leader alexei navalny? >> his teams say he's been missing for ten days. they've looked in ten prisons. they don't know where he is. i said to dmitry peskov, it's suspicious, isn't it?

you can't find him just at the point where president putin says he wants to run for election. that has nothing to do with the kremlin. it's just the legal process here in russia, andrea. >> keir simmons in moscow, thanks so much for being there. that does it for this week. follow the show on social media @mitchellreports, "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. israel says the punishing war with hamas isn't anywhere close to being over. after dropping nearly 30,000 bombs on gaza in less than two months, officials say they still have many months to go. today, though, under intense pressure, israel is opening its own border for the first time to let aid in, but is it enough to make a real difference as civilians endure life-threatening suffering. plus, markdo