to make this the issue, right, on the table. we know that intelligence chiefs have been meeting toward this end and we're hoping to see some progress in the coming days before christmas. >> richard engel, colin clarke and general barry mccaffrey, thank you for being with us. this is such a complicated, difficult reality that is, you know, unfolding in the middle east and just no easy answers. and just so tragic. i thank you, gentlemen, for being with us. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." andrea will be back tomorrow. i thank you for the privilege of your time. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. from a cowboy ranch to the highest court in the land,

former supreme court justice sandra day o'connor honored today in d.c. as an american pioneer, on and off the bench. are there lessons the country can still learn from her remarkable life? speaking of high ranking women, vice president kamala harris with an extraordinary political challenge to be a game changer in next year's election. the biden campaign's bold plan to make abortion the pivotal issue for 2024 and putting harris in charge of making it happen. and what's it going to take to get rudy giuliani to stop lying about georgia election workers ruby freeman and shaye moss? after a $148 million judgment failed to stop him, freeman and moss are suing giuliani again, seeking a court order to stop his, quote, campaign of targeted defamation and harassment. so, what happens now? but we start in washington, where tears mixed with laughter and applause remembering a life

well lived, a stirring and emotional tribute to sandra day o'connor, known to history, of course, as the first woman on the supreme court. but she was also remembered today as a young woman who wrestled cattle in arizona, a generous colleague and mentor to chief justice john roberts, even as a tough mom. >> what do we say to this special person? this little cowgirl, this remarkable woman from a remote cattle ranch in arizona, this mother, this justice who did so much for so many people? we say to her, we thank you, we love you, we will never, ever forget you. >> that was her son jay, who remembered his mother as a force of nature, and who brought

o'connor's grandson to tears. so many memories including how she honed her ability to question lawyers by grilling her own sons at the dinner table. o'connor who died at 93 was, of course, also a breaker of glass ceilings, a remarkably tough and able jurist, even though as the crowd learned today, she once got a b in civics class. the president who helped lead her confirmation hearing in the senate more than four decades ago remembered her this way. >> empowered generations of women in every part of american life, including the court itself, helping to open doors, secure freedoms, and prove that a woman cannot only do anything a man can do, but many times do it a heck of a lot better. >> nbc's monica alba is live outside the national cathedral. michael beschloss is nbc news presidential historian.

and msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin joins me here in new york. it is good to have all of you. monica, she was truly a unique figure in history and the ceremony seemed to reflect that. tell us more about it. >> reporter: absolutely. i think you got there from president biden's comments that there was also this levity, there was, of course, in remembering her remarkable life, looking back at some of these lighter moments perhaps and we got a sense of that as well from chief justice john roberts, who really talked about his long relationship knowing sandra day o'connor, he was somebody who in the department of justice in 1981 helped to prepare sandra day o'connor for her confirmation hearing in the reagan administration and he told a story about what then happened when sandra day o'connor was going through the process of learning that john roberts himself was going to be

appointed to the bench. listen to how he told that story. >> reporters asked her what she thought of the nomination. she had nice things to say. but ended by noting that the only problem was i didn't wear a skirt. my initial reaction was, of course, everything's negotiable. >> reporter: so there was laughter here at the national cathedral and some tears, of course. some very somber reflections, but perhaps what came through in all of the tributes was this idea that sandra day o'connor, of course, did break barriers, of course she was as the first woman on the supreme court, she has that incredible title and honor, but also what many people praised her for was this idea she was always trying to seek common ground and that she really did hold civility in the highest regard, which is something that president biden alluded to in his comments,

which is something maybe today that would be harder to attain. chris? >> well, michael, someone you know, historian evan thomas who wrote a book about sandra day o'connor recounted the moment when the country met her for the first time in 1981. here that is. >> on tv, millions watched a handsome self-possessed woman with a gap tooth smile disarm the senators, all of them male. the vote to confirm her was 99-0, the headline on the cover of "time" magazine read justice at last. >> justice at last. first supreme court who is a woman is the easy part, michael. tell us the other part, remind people about what you see as her place in history beyond that. >> well, she was really arguably the most powerful woman in the united states for decades

because not only, of course, the highest ranking woman in government of the united states, and not only the first woman on the supreme court, but that was a time when she was thought to be and quite rightly so the swing vote on the supreme court between conservatives and liberals. and what that tells us so much, chris, is how much things have changed since 1981. ronald reagan, the most conservative up until that point, president in modern times, was the one who appointed her, he barely knew her. he didn't vet her very much. he got wonderful recommendations from people who knew her as a state judge in arizona and as the republican majority leader of the state senate in arizona, but that was a time that oftentimes presidents would choose a justice, not because they would be robotically in favor of the president's views, but for their wisdom and for their experience, and for their

judicial temperament. and sometimes that led to surprises. john kennedy appointed byron weiss in the 1960s, a liberal president appointed someone who turned out to be amazingly conservative, frustrated democrats. later on, george h.w. bush appointed david suitor who turned out to be much more liberal than conservative republicans liked. what happened in 1981, you got this woman who thought for herself, made coalitions, always unpredictable, that is unlikely to ever happen again in our current culture. >> lisa, 330 cases where she cast the deciding vote. there are people now who acknowledge her importance, no one really sfut disputes her power at the time, but they question her legacy. do you feel that's fair?

>> i don't think that's fair. because at least for the duration of the time she was on the court, she held together coalitions that might have faltered without her. her power was in part, chris, because she had been a legislator, something that is noticeably absent from the court at this time. she not only knew how to build coalitions, but as someone who had had constituents before, she was always thinking about the impact of her decisions on real people and in particular on real women, she was so instrumental. >> talk a little bit more about that. >> one thing that sticks with me about the case, different scl skla scholars will have parts they like most, for decades, women had organized their reproductive and family lives around their reliance on the fact that abortion was a fundamental right.

and bringing men to the table to realize that that reliance interest was a big driver in keeping roe in tact. >> her life story, her court story, but her life story as well, is so remarkable, she is the only justice who was also in the cow girl hall of fame. we have to think about that for a second. >> a record that will probably stand. >> perhaps in perpetuity. but i wonder how you see her life experiences informing the justice she became. >> she had a real life. she grew up. this was not a poor family. she grew up on this 200,000 acre ranch in eastern arizona, and she was well educated, had a family who loved her, went to stanford law school, but, you know, younger women can be told about this, but i think not understand it as emotionally as women who were in the professions at that time.

she had this stellar record at stanford law school, no one would hire her. that was mentioned in the service today. and then nonetheless, she made her way up in the legislature and as a state judge and she was -- i knew her a little bit, she was perfectly kind. she had perfect manners. lovely person, but a spine of steel. i was telling the story earlier, i knew her oftentimes we would be at things at colonial williamsburg together, our families were, and my children who were very small at the time, i'm sorry to report, they did not always behave well, in fact, they were quite bratty oftentimes on occasions like that, and i would say you behave better or i'm going to ask justice o'connor to put you in the stocks, the colonial restraints. and colonial williamsburg. and they said, she's too nice, she would never do that. anyone who thought that in political life or judicial life

would do so at their peril because she thought for herself, she had a spine of steel. >> i'm thinking about this desire to seek common ground in the court and in the country. something that she cared deeply about and maybe overarching her real legacy, is that court gone? is that country gone? >> that court is -- that court is gone. sadly in many ways, that is something that is only in history, and it was only four decades ago, which sounds like a lot of time to people. but, remember, this country is only about, you know, 250 years nearly old. and the other thing is that at the end of her life, i think this is very important, she got off the court, to care for her husband, her husband was suffering from alzheimer's, very soon he didn't recognize her,

so, she regretted that she had not stayed on the court for perhaps seven or eight more years. she started this project, i would talk to her and she would say i'm doing this because civics and social studies courses are being canceled in public schools across the united states. and unless young people learn civics, we may lose our democracy because people will not know what democracy is. i can't tell you, chris, how many times i have thought of her saying that during the last seven years. >> and that is a good note to end on. michael beschloss, monica alba, thank you. lisa, don't go anywhere. we'll see you back here later in the hour. the biden campaign is leaning on a major player in their arsenal to win in 2024. vice president kamala harris. we'll explain her upcoming abortion rights blitz when we're back in 60 seconds. s blitz whene back in 60 seconds

get ready for a team biden election year blitz. hyperfocused on abortion rights. the white house is calling it the fight for reproductive freedoms tour and it is being led by vice president kamala harris. it will kick off next month in the battleground state of wisconsin, expanding to a nationwide effort to rally voters on an issue where a majority of them agree with the administration. it comes as we just got brand-new polling from cnbc late this morning that shows president biden's approval rating dropping to 35%. that's a new low for this poll. and another new poll from the "new york times" shows broad disapproval of how president biden is handling the deadly war in gaza, particularly among young people. it remains to be seen whether issues like abortion will ultimately win back their wavering votes. nbc's gabe gutierrez is at the white house. tim miller is former communications director for jeb

bush's 2016 campaign. and writer at large for "the bulwark." the vice president's first event is january 22nd, which would have been the 51st anniversary of roe v. wade. what more can you tell us about this plan, this tour? >> reporter: as you mentioned, this newly announced tour is an effort for the biden campaign to really try and mobilize young voters. the plan is for vice president to highlight what the administration sees as the harm being done by abortion bans across the country. and to tout the administration's effort to protect healthcare across the country. and a word we're hearing more and more, chris, not just from the campaign but also from the white house, is this word extremism. the biden campaign trying to paint what they see as republican extremism when it comes to the abortion issue. you mentioned those polling numbers as well, chris. and the biden white house struggling with younger voters. this newly announced tour comes

after the vice president went on a college tour going across several states, eight states, talking to thousands of students, again, this newly announced tour kicking off on january 22nd. >> the new cnbc poll shows that the approval of biden's handling of the economy is only 33%. foreign policy is even lower, 29%. those are pretty dismal numbers. how critical then might abortion be for this campaign? >> well, they are pretty dismal numbers, chris. and abortion, what we have seen in the midterms last fall, and then in a number of states specific elections where abortion referendum have been on the ballot, that abortion can be a really galvanizing issue to turn out democrats, to turn out young democrats in particular, and so what you see the biden campaign doing is trying to use

this issue to help make up some of that difference where he might be losing ground on other areas. though interestingly, the president himself has not, you know, talked about abortion that often in his public remarks. it is really something that they're letting the vice president take the lead on, but you could expect, i think, for abortion to be a really major and animating issue in the fall general election campaign next year. >> as you know, republicans have been using kamala harris as kind of a warning, right? watch out, because if biden can't continue as president, you're going to get stuck with kamala harris. but polls show she's far more popular, particularly with young voters and black voters than the president himself. if you want to look at the democratic faithful in motivating them and those two voting blocs in particular, could she be more of a net positive for the biden re-election? >> i think it could be good to give vice president harris out more. january 21st is a month away.

let's do it. i don't know what the wait is. i think particularly i guess college campuses, kids are on christmas break. we can catch her on the way back. i think on college campuses she could be useful. i think the president should be using more of his cabinet. i think it would reassure people about their concerns about his age, you know, if they saw -- you see secretary pete buttigieg out more, but there is a whole team of democrats and i assume they're planning this for 2024. i think time is of the essence here and he should lean on both the vice president and the cabinet and other leading democrats to kind of carry a lot of these arguments for him, particularly about donald trump. i look at some of the numbers, young voters are unhappy with foreign policy. not to impugn gen z, i don't think a lot of young voters know what the message would be. maybe they won't come around fully on president biden, but you can bring down the

opposition numbers. >> i'm going to go back to the younger voters in a minute. to you get the sense from the campaign that they feel time is of the essence? they need to amp things up and soon? >> they do. certainly need to try to create a little bit more sort of energy and enthusiasm around biden's re-election prospects. he's clearly lagging with young voters. there is also a general enthusiasm gap that you see detected in a lot of the public polling and also just don't see him on the road doing very many campaign style events. so we're entering a phase now with the iowa caucuses, new hampshire primary, so much attention is on the republican contest and on donald trump were he to become the nominee again. you'll see the biden campaign trying to generate similar amounts of energy around him and harris as the democratic ticket. >> i want to go a little deeper in the polls which show high disapproval of president biden's

handling of the israel hamas war, particularly among young voters. 72% are opposed. we spoke to some of those young voters. i want to play what a few of them had to say. >> with the genocide happening in gaza, i think there is nothing that -- more morally reprehensible, more absolutely evil than the decisions made regarding that struggle in gaza. >> if you don't like how biden is handling the israel-hamas conflict, just wait until the other dude gets in there. >> i elected a democrat against donald trump because i thought in the moments where it mattered most, he would not do what donald trump would do. and so now looking at the humanitarian crisis in gaza, i think he's doing what donald trump would have done. >> we know, tim that the gaza war has proved challenging for this president and, look, it is an extraordinarily difficult

position for any president, but i wonder if 11 months from now how likely you think it is that voters will still have a top of mind when going to the polpolls particularly young voters. >> i think it is relatively unlikely that the israel-hamas war is going to be the top voting issue for young people come a year from now, 11 months from now. but it could be still. and i think it is incumbent upon democrats to educate these voters about the options. i think -- i think biden handled the israel-hamas war quite well, but if young voters don't, i understand that perspective. but donald trump is literally out there campaigning now as we speak on a new muslim ban. he wants to screen immigrants and refugees based on religion and based on loyalty. i believe in a recent speech he

said he wanted them to be loyal to our religion or something to that effect. what is our religion? in america, we don't are our religion. are those clips being played on tiktok in front of young voters or right now are they just seeing the tragedy in gaza? i think once you're in the heat of a campaign, you have the information flow and this is going to be different and you're going to have to look at a real choice between two candidates where one is proposing just absolutely draconian antimuslim, antiimmigrant policies, and the other is i think trying to balance the security situation in israel with a more humane policy related to immigration and refugees and make the decision based on that. >> tim miller, gabe gutierrez, phil rucker, thank you so much. tonight, hear more about the vice president's newest project directly from her, she'll be in conversation with msnbc's lawrence o'donnell at 10:00 p.m. eastern. first, legal whiplash. after a nearly $150 million courtroom loss for rudy giuliani, how he just set

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court in the first place. here was giuliani in the moments after the damages were awarded. >> do you still believe that what you said about these two women in the wake of the 2020 election was truthful? do you still believe -- >> i have no doubt -- i have no doubt my comments were made and they were supportable and are supportable today. >> i want to bring in nbc's ken dilanian, also back with us lisa rubin. ken, what can you tell us about this latest lawsuit and dare i ask about the supporting evidence that rudy giuliani keeps saying he's going to come up with. >> ruby freeman and her daughter shaye moss are seeking a permanent injunction against giuliani that would bar him from speaking publicly about them ever again. also seeing legal fees and court costs. this new lawsuit notes that giuliani told reporters during and after the trial, as you saw there, that his long debunked allegations against the women were true, though he conceded in court papers they were

defamatory. they say it must stop. they add that giuliani's conduct is so outrageous in character and so extreme in degree that it is beyond all possible bounds of decency and is to be regarded as atrocious and utterly intolerable in a civilized community. it is worth pointing out when these lawyers floated this idea to the judge who presided over the defamation lawsuit, she expressed skepticism that an order could be enforced. giuliani did not respond to a request for comment. >> ken, thank you very much. lisa, the words outrageous, extreme, you can add to that repetitive, because last night he was talking again. take a listen. >> your initial allegations, you still believe them to be true? >> yeah, of course. they'll sue me again for it when i say that, but, yeah, i do.

they want me to lie. they basically -- they are suing me in order to lie for them. i'm sorry, i can't do this. the most important thing is it doesn't have to be absolutely true, has to be supportable. they have to prove that i was deliberately lying, which i wasn't. >> is he saying that they have to prove i'm lying as opposed to what's been saying all along, which is i can support what i'm saying? usually in a defamation case there is some burden shifting that goes on. and there is a -- you have to show that what the person was saying about you is, in fact, false. then the defending gets an opportunity to contest that and show it is true. let's go back for a second. there is already a judgment that has been entered in a federal district court in d.c., that rudy did in fact defame them and in addition, intentionally inflicted emotional distress

upon them, which was clear to anybody who listened to either of their testimonies last week. so, i don't know how he thinks he's getting out of this it literally takes my breath away that he continues to insist this is true, when all evidence is to the contrary and he's had years to come up with a defense in this case that he still hasn't come forward with. >> and investigations to show that they did absolutely nothing wrong. >> by multiple law enforcement officers. >> right. and, by the way, some of these led by republicans. so, what now? what happens with this? >> so this new -- first of all, the fact that he's being sued again as soon as last night and now they're seeking an injunction. one of the lawyers who represents ruby and shaye was talking about last night this request for injunctive relief and why that could be more effective than the nearly $150 million in damages they already

obtained. it is because if you have an injunction, preventing someone from doing any particular act, and that injunction is violated willfully and repeatedly, the penalties for such violation can include criminal prosecution for contempt of court. we have seen that happen before in the case, for example, of sheriff joe arpaio later pardoned by former president trump. when he and others continued to do it for another 18 months, he was prosecuted by the department of justice for doing so. because he violated a civil injunction. that's what the lawyers are looking to, cases like that so that if rudy doesn't take their names out of his mouth as they keep saying, they will have some real enforcement power behind it. >> i know it is hard for people to keep track of all the cases. i want to ask you about donald trump's former chief of staff mark meadows. he wanted to take the georgia rico case and move it to federal

court. that just got rejected. what should we know about that ruling? >> i think you should know why mark meadows wanted to be in federal court, he wanted a more advantageous jury pool. he didn't want cameras there. that shows how embarrassing and damaging the trial that fani willis is planning could be not only for mark meadows, but for former president trump, for mr. giuliani and potentially john eastman, four defendants against whom miss willis indicated she doesn't intend to seek plea agreements and wouldn't grant them. i think that's one thing folks should keep in mind. >> lisa, always great to have you on the program. we're getting a live look at a massive volcano eruption in iceland. we're tracking the danger and we'll have much more on this in our next hour. talks to release more hostages from gaza at a stand still. now, israeli families are losing patience, amping up the pressure on their leaders to get a deal

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the service for the late supreme court justice sandra day o'connor just wrapped up in washington, d.c. and nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell covered the reagan white house when sandra day o'connor was first nominated, she was inside

that service and she joins me now. andrea, you have known and covered sandra day o'connor for many, many years. and i thought there were so many wonderful moments that brought both tears and smiles and laughter and applause. tell us what you'll take away from this, what stood out to you. >> reporter: well, what stood out to me and thank you so much for having me on this day of sorrow, but also of joy in remembering the memory for this extraordinary woman, a pioneer, a cow girl as she would describe herself. she came from the lazy b ranch. when i first covered her, i remember going back to the national airport, now reagan national airport, and we were able to go right to the gate, a group of reporters, and she was extraordinary. she was a consensus builder. she was lauded today as someone who was a patriot, who was wise,

who had a conscience, who believed in people beyond herself. she was also thinking of other people. of course, it was president biden eulogizing her and chief justice roberts who said she commented when he first got confirmed to take her seat, that he was just -- she was just sorry that it was not someone wearing a skirt. and he thought to himself, where, everything is negotiable and thought better of that. but she always wanted to have more women on the court and was such a mentor and big sister as ruth bader ginsburg described her on her 80th birthday, to those of us lucky to be at that dinner, described her as someone who helped her get through her very first majority upon, so nervous and sandra day o'connor told her to just to it.describi

wonderful mom, always present, and there for her family, as she was when her husband was diagnosed with alzheimer's and came to the court, she took care of him at the court until she felt she had to retire in 2006. she committed herself to civic education. that's what she believed in. and just doing so much after she left the court until she herself sadly was diagnosed with early signs of dementia and took her leave from public life in a farewell letter to the country. >> an extraordinary woman and extraordinary life. thank you for sharing. talks aimed at arranging another humanitarian pause in gaza in exchange for hostages appeared to have new life today. the u.s. and he's ra u.s. and i

met. the pressure on israel to scale back its campaign against hamas continues to grow. especially from families of the hostages who are still in gaza. their outrage amplified by idf's accidental shooting of three hostages who were carrying a white flag on friday. here's what the father of one of those young men wants to tell the israeli government. >> i am going to save this government. you buried my son twice. y you let hamas take my son on october 7th. and you killed my son on december 14. they are not our leaders. they thinking only on themselves. they are not thinking about the hostages. they are not thinking about us.

>> nbc news hala gorani is reporting from tel aviv. what do we know about the new hostage talks? >> reporter: so we don't know much. we have been reaching out to our sources in qatar. qatar has that political relationship with hamas and was able to facilitate that first humanitarian pause that led to the release of dozens of hostages. you mentioned that meeting we were able to confirm between the heads of mossad and the defense secretary lloyd austin today touched down in qatar. when we ask where we are in that -- in the talks, in the negotiations, there is a lot less enthusiasm than last time. we are a little bit closer, but still far away is the message i've getting back when i ask how close we might be to a renewed humanitarian pause, not just to release the hostages, but to allow more humanitarian aid to a territory that is on its knees.

you have every day still air strikes causing dozens of deaths. today no exception. both in the north and the south where many people were told to evacuate to and where the infrastructure in the hospital system has all but collapsed in the north. one of the aims of the u.s. visits this flurry of diplomatic activity, lloyd austin's second visit to israel since october 7th is to get israel to transition to another phase of the war. away from the high intensity and to something a little bit more surgical, more tactical, to try to minimize civilian deaths. lloyd austin, weeks ago, before this last visit to israel, said if you don't protect the civilian population, you risk a strategic defeat. >> hala gorani, thank you. senators are warning of what punch bowl calls the january pileup on a foreign aid package

and funding the government. just moments ago, the dhs secretary and a bipartisan group of senators finished meeting. ali vitali is following the negotiations for us. i understand they met for just under three hours. is there any word of any progress? >> not really. a lot of hours of conversation, but no tangible movement based on what we heard from the lawmakers who were leaving that meeting. now, republicans and democrats alike will have their lunches today as they typically do, despite the fact they weren't supposed to be here at all this week. that's one of the things that is weighing on this process, both why negotiators are still here, trying to hammer this out, even as the year grows ever shorter, day by day. also the idea the closer they get to january, the less likely it becomes that they have the time to deal with this ever thory issue of immigration.

here is chuck schumer just talking about the general impasse they found themselves at with these issues time and again. watch. >> the details matter immensely. this is not a topic that congress has tackled at this level in many years. while we made important pro gres over the past week on border security, everyone understands that we have more work to do. and it is going to take more time. >> reporter: time is one of those things that is hard to get back here in the senate. their time is very heavily guarded. once you get into january, you're starting to deal with government funding and appropriations battles. it is also the kicking officially to the 2024 calendar. voters start voting in places like iowa and new hampshire. back here in congress, nothing happens in a vacuum. movement on issues like immigration, like foreign aid, which have become such hot buttons in both parties, really

will make their way from the campaign trail to the halls of congress, it makes more difficult to get done in a difficult situation. we'll hear where things go next. >> ali vitali, thank you. still ahead, this year's holiday season expected to be the busiest every for holiday travel. what to make if you're headed over the hills and through the woods to be can family this year. ough the woods to be can family this year ncentrated power because the only thing dripping should be your style. plop plop fizz fizz winter warriors with alka-seltzer plus. the best advice i ever got was to invest with vanguard for my retirement. the second best? stay healthy enough to enjoy it. so i started preparing physically and financially. then you came along and made every mile worth it.

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well, don't say you weren't warned. aaa is predicting 115 million americans will travel this holiday season, breaking last year's record. and add insult to injury, pete buttigieg today warns of crowds potentially being the least of our worries. >> we may see some bad weather impacting travel around christmas and new year's. the number one cause of delays has always been weather and the inescapable reality is that extreme weather has systemically increased over the years. joining us now, kathy park. we won't blame the messenger for this, but what should folks be prepared for including those weather delays? >> yeah, in addition to those weather delays and all the

twists and turns weather patterns can do, expect record crowds and we kind of got a taste of what things can do when things go wrong yesterday the northeast when the weather really took a turn. they were thousands of flight cancellations and delays. it looks like things are back on track but in addition to the weather delays, also prepare for record crowds. here in atlanta, this is the busiest airport in the world and we're told on friday, we're projecting 90,000 passengers to move through the airport. so from friday through january 2nd, the number is going to be close to 3 million air travelers and we're told that number is close to pre pandemic levels. when you talk about nationwide, that number is close to 7 million air travelers. so with so much company at the airports this time of year, we are told there are a couple of things to keep in mind. the first is to head to the

airport early. at least two hours early. especially if you're flying domestically. arrive three hours early. if it's an international flight. also, bring that id. i think a lot of people also forget how much time you actually spend looking for a parking spot. so probably good especially if you don't know the airport well, to kind of secure a parking spot in advance. travel experts are saying if you're carrying those presents, make sure they're unwrapped because there's a possibility they'll make you unwrap your gifts. this is kind of the super bowl for airlines. this is something they've been preparing all year for. american airlines officials say that throughout the year, they've been staffing up. hiring people to fill in all those gaps and also introduce new technology as well to help with the ongoing operations. >> kathy park, some good advice there. thank you. right now, the nightmare

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