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since their work has begun you can hear city leaders talk about the rush. the crush on the resources for housing for supplies for food, for medical support. for migrants and you're seeing what volunteers, these nonprofit groups, faith-based nonprofit, what they're doing to help fill that gap when there's so can i much need, alex? tell you, shaq, thank you. i'm giving you a big prayer of thanks for bringing us some good news and seeing how we can help others. it's a good way to end this hour. i appreciate that and you, my friend. that does it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i will see you at one pm eastern tomorrow. yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage. good to see, you i'm yasmin vossoughian. refusal to act, the supreme court takes on just one wind to deny a special counsel request to resolve a key argument from donald trump in the election interference case. potentially throwing the court
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calendar into chaos. it is happening as a bombshell new report services. a new tape that puts trump himself smack in the middle of direct actions to overturn the 2020 election, urging a group of republicans in michigan to act to save him from defeat. we are also following the situation in israel, including the first american hostage confirmed killed during the offensive in gaza. president biden taking action to provide help for thousands of people in prison for minor drug offenses. an action that could potentially help him with two constituencies crucial to his reelection bid. all of that and we are covering the mad scramble on the roads and in the air as millions head home for the christmas holidays. the weather is not cooperating for all, live report on that coming up as well. wewant to begin this hour with the supreme court decision not to fast-track a ruling question over trump's claim of presidential immunity. the nation'shighest court announced without explanation
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that it will not immediately decide the question of whether the former president has broughi'm unity for action set he took as president challenging his 2020 election loss. the decision now paves the way for the u.s. court of appeals from the district of columbia to take up the issue, where arguments are set for january 9th. i want to bring in former assistant manhattan d.a., kathryn kristian, and legal blog writer, jordan ruvin, to start us off. jordan, if you will, the ruling almostcertainly slows things down here. the guardian writes this. even if the d.c. circuit rules againsttrump quickly, the former president can first ask the full appeals court to re-hear the case. and then has 90 days to lodge a final appeal to the supreme court. what is the timeline we are looking at now with this decision to punt things from the supreme court? >> the bottom line is that it will not be surprising if the
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date is pushed. one thing i want to stress is it does not mean it's getting kicked off indefinitely into the future. i could see it getting pushed maybe later into the spring or summer slot. sometime around then. really, the first inkling will have where it goes next and when is when we get a d.c. circuit ruling after the january 9th oral argument. >> so, i'm wondering, kathryn, when you think about jack smith special counsel and their decision to go straight to the supreme court on this with the question of a presidential immunity, was it a gamble for him? because had they decided to take this up and then subsequently decided in favor of the special counsel, they would have gone forward with march, the march court date, with nothing in the way. that is not what happened. so in fact, did jack smith lose this gamble? >> he lost the gamble but it's a battle that he may have -- the only thing donald trump won
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yesterday was a delay. and we have to remember that the d.c. circuit court of appeal already are expediting the case. january 9th both sides have to come in and give oral arguments. all of the supreme court said, basically, is we are not going to hear it now. and quite frankly it would have been unusual for them to take the case. the normal procedure is district court, then you appeal to the court of appeals, and then you seek the -- supreme court of the united states. quite frankly i think that there is no way that this dc circuit court of appeals is going to slow walk this case. they know the calendar. they are not going to say. it they are not going to say we are going to do this before the election. but they are going to do this and there is no way there's going to be a trial in march. i agree with jordan there. but it might be in may. it might be in june. all of these judges are aware of the political calendar. >> do you foresee it happening before the election with this
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delay? >> definitely. definitely. well, i'm saying definitely. trials often get delayed for normal people. but i foresee there will be a decision by the circuit court of appeals, probably against donald trump. and then the supreme court will take the case and make a decision. and they will make it before the election. this is because this is a primary importance. and none of the judges, particularly justices on the supreme court, have such bad. will they have been accused of making political decisions. they don't want to have this hanging over their head. they will make a decision and there will be a trial. not in march, but if the stars align maybe, maybe june. >> joanwhile i have you i want to pivot to new report from the detroit news, then president donald trum chair as well as many folks
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know out there by, nald mcdaniel hearing on audio -- heard on audio, i should say, pressuring a officials on november 17th, 2020, at the line county board of canvassers receive fused to certif 2020 election. according to this reporting, jordan, trump specifically told republican nvassers that they would look terrible, quote unquote, if they signed the certification after initially voting against it and he and mcdaniel offered legal assistance as well. i want to reiteratanstress, neither nbc news or msnbc has heard or verified these recordin. you wrote about this latest audio and you wondered if there could be additional criminal charges here now because of michigan's bribery law. tell us more about that. michigan's bribery law punishes someone who corruptly offers a valuable thing to a public official with the intent of influencing their actions. so in this situation, as
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reported, the valuable thing would be legal services. so that michigan bribery law is one example of something that could give trump a -- for both of them some concern. >> kathryn, do you see criminal exposure here for the former president or for rnc chair, ronna mcdaniel? >> it could. be there could be federal bribery laws that prohibits giving or receiving a thing of value in exchange for an official act. this is what prosecutors call a gift of evidence. this is against all trump in the federal election case and in the georgia r.i.c.o. election interference case. why? because it shows that he has a pattern of conduct of trying to pressure government officials to overturn a state election. he did it in the perfect phone call with the secretary of state of georgia. he tried to pressure mike pence and mike pence has said that he
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was told to reject votes as he called it a gaggle of crack lawyers, crack pot lawyers working for the president. the election interference indictment, three pages are dedicated to michigan, and how the president and coconspirator number one, rudy giuliani, were the michigan officials and claiming election fraud that didn't exist in detroit. so these recordings are authentic. they will be used by both d.a. willis and special counsel smith in their trials to show donald trump's pattern of conduct is -- his intent and knowledge. offering lawyers to someone is a way of telling them that you know what they're asking them to do is illegal. >> kathryn, thank you. jordan reuben, thank you as well. another big legal issue we are following right about now in wisconsin supreme court, overturning the rubber can lawn --
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wisconsin is a battleground state. the ruling is coming just months before the 2024 primary. four out of the six past presidential elections have been decided by fewer than 23,000 votes. republicans have built large majorities in the legislator under maps that were drawn over a decade ago. the state supreme court now ruled by a liberal majority, 4 to 3 in favor of democrats, who argued that the maps are unconstitutional because districts drawn are not contagious. with this ruling, democrats hope gop majorities will be weekend. new maps are likely to be unveiled in just about two months time. we are back in just 60 seconds with the mad holiday weekend rush as people try to get where they're going for christmas. the weather is not cooperating for some. later on this hour, the presidents christmas gift to thousands serving time for minor marijuana offenses. we will be right back. minor marijuana offenses we will be right back. we will be right back. blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.
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welcome back. millions of americans today on the move as travelers from coast to coast try to make it home for christmas. it's already been one of the busiest holiday travel seasons in recent memory. now the last minute rush is officially underway. nbc's marissa navarro is in palm beach florida, watching the roads. michelle grossman is watching the weather for us as well. marissa, i want to start with you on this one. how are things looking down there? >> yasmin, here along the florida turnpike, traffic is still moving in a steady clip. steady enough of the car is going so fast, really gusting around here as it feels like we're in a wind tunnel. keeping a close eye on the maps here, what i'm noticing is, as the hours go by we are seeing more and more yellow and red on the map. particularly on this side of the country. at the eastern part of the country. of, course we're only going to see that increase throughout the country as the day goes on. because we already know the
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most popular form of travel is on the roads. roughly 115 million holiday travelers -- we know 104 million of them take to the roads. we have compiled a list for you. the worst time to travel, according to aaa, and one of those days is today. 11 a.m., all the way until seven pm in next thursday from two pm to eight pm. obviously travel outside of, that especially sunday, monday, will be better for obvious reasons. but let's talk about gas. the good news is, the national average on gas prices is about the same as last year. but i do have bad news for the viewers who are watching from cities like denver, minneapolis and washington d.c.. aaa also says those of the cities that are going to see the worst traffic congestion. if you're hitting the road today, particularly doing those that hours, perhaps recommend some extra strong coffee, extra podcast, a good neck pillow, maybe a couple extra doses of caffeine if you're in those cities that we talked about. >> we are getting a sense at
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all, marissa, as to why so many folks decided to travel this year than in years fast after the pandemic? >> actually, yes. we kw at air travel is up. i know that my colleague, jussie kirsch, has been going live from the airport talking about air travel. he will have more on that in the next hour. when it co the increase in travel, we are seeing it in other forms of travel. interestingly enough, travel on the roads actually technically has not increased according to aaa numbers. it is actually certainly nowhere lower. it might be because they're using other forms of travel instead of driving. we know going on cruise trips, princeton,'s has increased because there's a lot of people who are choosing to go on the trips that they delayed during the pandemic. they save money during the pandemic and this is the year that they feel comfortable enough to spend that. and so now we've also seen it's a state by state case. here in florida, aaa projects a record number of drivers. so even though it is not a national number, we are
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expecting in states like florida record numbers of drivers. so it just depends. but again, other forms of travels are seeing increases. especially with air travel, which we know jesse will talk all about in the next hour. >> marissa, give my in-laws a heads up. they live in pompano beach, florida. if i have a chance, stop by. have a christmas cocktail with them. [laughter] marissa, thank you. >> michelle grossman, coming to you on this one. give me a sense of holiday weather, anybody possibly getting a white christmas this year? >> i will gladly -- have a cocktail with them to. yes, some are seeing some white weather, some snow on monday. snow falling right now to. we have a large system. it's not this huge blockbuster system that will slow everything down, but it's going to slow some spots down. taking a look at the radar, we have two systems, one of the northeast. that's a weaker one moving through portions of the interior northeast. it is really off to the west where we're seeing the wet weather there.
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as we look towards the intermountain west, down to the south central states, we're looking at snow falling. that is the higher elevations. that is where we're seeing a white christmas as we go throughout the next couple days. that will advance off to the east. also looking at heavy rainfall throughout the southwest right now. that is where you see the brighter colors. even seeing lightning strikes throughout west texas in portions of new mexico. we are seeing winter alerts throughout the rockies, where you see the white, that's your winter weather advisories. winter storm watches and winter storm warnings. that is in the pink. we could see up to a foot of snow in some spots. that makes four tricky travel. the roads will be icy as well. we are going to see a lot of rainfall too. we are expecting rain, not only today, but also tomorrow, and on christmas day. we do have a flash flood risk. that makes it really difficult to travel on the roadways. what you're seeing with the darker blues, that's what you are expecting the most amount of rain or greatest chance for flash flooding. to be careful as you head out. the next couple of days, the rest of today, the biggest impacts we felt throughout the intermountain west and in the south central states --
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where you see the blue and the green, you're looking at warm temperatures in the middle of the country, anywhere from 10 to 25 degrees above normal for this time of year. increasing clouds to the northeast, you're going to see some rain advancing into that area as we head throughout the next couple of days. look at christmas eve. this is a tough day. last minute shopping, we need to get to the in-laws, we need to get to the places we need to be. we have a lot of rain throughout the middle of the country, yasmin. looking at some snow at the back side of the system. midwest down to the south central states. back to you. michelle grossman, thank you. michelle. still to come, the first american hostage confirmed dead in captivity and gaza. live report from tel aviv coming up next. later, on new signs president biden may be feeling the pressure. the news about his campaign to appeal to young and black voters. two constituencies he will desperately need for reelection. that is coming up. need for reelection that is coming up. that is coming up. woman: who's that, who is that?
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drizly. back we just learned the president spoke with israeli prime minister, bibi netanyahu, speaking since the war began. netanyahu thank the president for u.s. support in the u.n., thisecury council proved a resolution for more humanitarian aid for gaza and the united states and russia abstained. the u.s. declined to vote in favor, even after successfully vetoing language that would have pushed for a full cease-fire. meanwhile, we learned about gadi hog eye, the first known
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american hostage believed to be killed by hamas. his wife still in captivity. we want to go to -- in tel aviv with more on this. jay, walk us through what we know about the death of the american hostage. his wife who is still in captivity. of course, the current israeli offensive we've been seeing over the last 24 hours or so. >> yes, just a horrible story and we are learning more about the death of the 73 year old gadi haggai. we know he was shot on october 7th during the attacks. his wife was also wounded. it's not clear at this point whether he was killed during that attack or later died in captivity in gaza. we know his body was taken by hamas terrorists intogaza along with his wife who, as you, said remains in captivity right now. the president issued a statement on all of this. let's read from that to briefly he. he said that jill and i are heartbroken by news that american gadi haggai is now
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believed to have been killed by hamas on october 7th. we continue to pray for the well-being and safe return of his wife, judi, and their daughter is joining by one -- those families shared with me the harrowing ordeal they have endured sie the last month as they await news of theirved ones. it's a terrible, today we pray for their four children, seven grandchildren and other loved ones, and we are grieving this tragic news. we reaffirmed the pledge we made to all the families of those still held hostage. we will not stop working to bring that home. it is a pledge that echoed also by the prime minister here, benjamin netanyahu. >> can we talk about the aid trucks that are finally entering through gaza as well from the kerem shalom crossing? how big of an impact will this have? how often are they going to be able to get through? are there going to be more? what are you learning?
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>> i think that the idea is to bring more through. right now about 80 trucks are coming through. we had the opportunity yesterday to be among the first cameras inside the border crossing. the only crossing between israel and gaza that is open right now. there are trucks lined up for as far as you can see with aid. they move in, they are examined by israeli forces, they take everything off the trucks, worked through to make sure there's nothing hidden in there. loaded back onto the trucks and then they take it into gaza. like i said, about 80 now. there are about 120 or so coming in through the rafah border crossing which egypt. all combined on a great day you get 200 trucks moving into gaza with eight. for some perspective on this, jasmine, before the war, as many as 500 semi trailers with food and other supplies ruled into gaza every single day. so this clearly is not nearly enough, even during good times,
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in times are anything but good in gaza. >> jay gray, thank you, jay. we appreciated. live in chicago, the city deals with a serious migrant crisis. we're spending this weekend trying to bring some help. democrats are getting increasingly nervous about enthusiasm amongst two of its key constituencies. we take a deep dive into that, coming up. hat, coming up. coming up. [dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ want luxury hair repair that doesn't cost $50? pantene's pro-vitamin formula repairs hair. as well as the leading luxury bonding treatment. for softness and resilience, without the price tag. if you know... you know it's pantene.
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the president is pardoning thousands of people convicted for use in simple possession of marijuana. this action is affecting only those can fact it on federal lands and in washington d.c.. the areas which the president has the authority to act. it's the latest round of executive clemencies by the president meant to rectify racial disparities in the justice system. biden is also granting clemency to 11 people serving what the white house calls, disproportionately long sentences for nonviolent drug offenses. we're looking at recent polling suggests that the israel-hamas war could be hurting the president in a big way with a key voting bloc. the latest nbc news polling showing that among voters, age 18 to 34, a whopping 70% say they disapprove of biden's handling of the conflict while his overall approval rating of young voters has plummeted to just 31%. biden also maybe losing ground with black voters. the same nbc news poll has him beating trump 69 to 22%, with african-american voters, a sharp decline from his 2020
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numbers. i want to bring in a ceo of do something dot org. in adrian shropshire, the executive director of black pack, to talk more about this. norah, i want to start with you on this. let's talk about the overall concern the president and his team should be having with the plummet of these percentage points of support. >> great to be with you on this lovely saturday. thanks for having me to talk about such an important issue. this is an important issue of concern for young people, especially gnc. less is the first time this young generation is watching multiple wars overseas, the extent of a global pandemic, economic uncertainty really taking a toll on them. it's all happening at once and it's all happening live. young people in the palm of their hands have access to disinformation at scale. what i would say is it is probably too soon to know how it's going to impact the 2024
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election cycle. a home for young people, -- 18 to 24-year-olds are really concerned, they are concerned about the economic uncertainty that we are facing and whether the election officials are hearing their voices. they're concerned about the mental health and climate crisis, what's happening abroad and how that will shape their lives. as well as the democracy in society they will inherit. elected officials, those running for office, they need to hold on to that young people are watching. we are going to see the most diverse electorate that we've seen in decades. 7 million new voters will come of age to foot between now and the 2024 election cycle. they want to make sure their voices are heard and they want to make sure that there are officials actually making economic commitments to make them successful, otherwise they'll be cynical. >> you're seeing a correlation between this dp in support from young voters and israel-hamas war?
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just in alaska pull of months? if you're looking at the polling, in september, the former president- the president's approval rating, biden's approval rating was at 46%. it has dropped now two 31%. with 70%, as i mentioned, disapproving of the president's handling of the israel-hamas war. i wonder if you feel as if the administration, biden's team, they underestimated how this would affect his reelection bid. >> you know, i honestly think that it is too soon to tell. polls will continue to evolve, even if what unfolds in the middle east continues to evolve in the next eight months before the election. what we know and what we hear from young people is that they don't actually believe that they are taking their voices into consideration when they are enacting policy. this comports with that. 83% of young people don't believe their elected officials will listen. this does fall in line with
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that. but there is still time for the biden administration in all elected officials to really make sure they are tuning into gen z and millennials voters and making sure they are responding to their policy priorities in concerns. >> adrian, then there is the concern about the black american vote. it is the black american vote, black women that helped when the president offered his seat back in 20 -- just in the last year. as we just heard there is a full set of issue links that voters are experiencing right now. voters are very pessimistic. i think that is across the board. black voters are obviously included in that. i think that it is important to note a couple of things. first of all, black voters remain the strongest supporters
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of democrats. that is black men and women. two, i think that it is important to remember where black voters fall in their voting behavior on election day. we should all take these polls with a little bit of caution and not just look at where we are seeing black voters standing in this moment, but what happens on election day with voters. particularly when i think about the numbers, and we see them in the shot you just put up, the sense that there will be some overwhelming shift of black voters in terms of their support for donald trump, it is just hard to imagine that those numbers are anywhere close to being real. partially because we know that in 2020, according to pew, only 8% of black voters supported trump. in 2022, only 5% of that black voters supported republican candidates.
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in 2016, right? we only had 6% of black voters supporting donald trump. i think that the polls are a little bit skewed. it's too far out to know what's gonna haen on election day. >> let me ask you, adrian, about the presidents most recent actions. he announced the pardons for marijuana charges. the majority of people arrested on these charges have been disproportionately black americans. you have this recent polling showing that 70% of people of color in 79% of people aged 13 to -- 18 to 34 support the legalization of marijuana. are the pardons meant to play to both minority and young voters to try to bring those numbers up? >> i think the administration has done a lot over the term to address issues concerning black voters. criminal justice reform
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obviously as one of those issues. sentencing reform is, you know, obviously a part of that. and i don't think this is just things that they are doing in the period of time of the election, i think these are issues they are committed to. we also saw motion this week on police accountability where the administration launched a new database to track misconduct. that adds on to what they have done in terms of police reform over the course of the term. -- federal law enforcement. the administration, the campaign has a challenge in getting the information about what they have done to the voters who are going to be the most difficult to turnout in the election. that obviously includes -- -- >> that is exactly what i was going to ask. if they were communicating some of the changes and efforts they made effectively. but you answer that question without me answering it. thank you. jen, norah q.
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happy holidays to you both. as families around the world europe for christmas, thousands of migrants in the u.s. are wishing for the most basic needs. a blanket to keep warm, or a roof over their heads. it is happening as migrants are continuing to be sent from texas to democratically run cities and left without food, clothes or a place to live. it is putting a strain on cities like chicago, which was one of the cities that texas governor, greg abbott, sent them to. currently chicago has more than 14,000 migrants in shelters more than 300 still waiting for placement. i want to bring in nbc's, shaq brewster, who is at the volunteer center where they are assembling kits for these families. shaq, good to see you. tough time for a lot of these folks. migrants particularly. how is this organization looking to help? >> what you are really seeing is this organization trying to bridge the gap between what is needed when these migrants are coming in when they are being sent from texas and --
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sometimes random locations in the city. and what the city can provide. you've mentioned the shelters are full. there is a strain on resources, there is a strain on medical support. that is why you have volunteers who have been here since seven a.m., going through, they are sorting through the donations that have been received from across the city from organizations across the city. clothes, toiletries, basic supplies for migrants. they are sorting through, them they are assembling them, putting them into a kit. and then adding a note to many of them and giving it to them when they drop off and get dropped off at some of these locations. i want to to listen to one of the volunteers and what they had to tell me this morning. they have been here since seven a.m.. >> it feels amazing. we can't put a smile on somebody's face. we can give them back some dignity. you know? even i placed myself in their position. we love feeling a new pair of shoes. so can you imagine having a fresh pair of clothes coming from where they came from?
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>> at any point in our lives we can all be hungry. we can all be in need of shelter. if you think of the covid crisis, lots of americans are in need during that time that never expected to be in that need. we just don't know what the future holds. i just wanted to help politics aside. >> and that answer stuck out to me because so much of this gets caught up in the political conversation. the chicago mayor going after texas governor, greg abbott, for the fact that he is sending these migrants to chicago. not giving a heads up to organizations like the ones you have behind me. this is not making people feel welcome. i'm talking about the notes. there is newest with hearts on them. and out that says get warm. they are putting them for these kids. they want folks to feel welcome. this is a bright spot, there's been a lot of darkness in the story just this week, we know that a five year old migrant in one of the makeshift shelters that was essentially a warehouse turned into a living facility, he died after having a medical emergency. his funeral is being laid to
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rest today. you see there is darkness but there is also people out there this christmas holiday weekend doing what they can to bring light to this entire situation. >> with those personal touches, i'm sure they will go a long way with many of these families. shaq brewster for us, thank, you, shakir pre-shaded, happy holidays. up next, 91 felony charges, for criminal chiles and one very famous mugshot. we look back at the year in donald trump's legal odyssey, and the news keeps coming every single day. single day. 5% apy? that's new! yup, that's how you business differently. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.
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begin -- and the way up again for donald trump. with nearly headlines about the multitude of threats he is facing just in the past 48 hours. we have seen the supreme court refused to grant expedited hearings on the issue of presidential immunity. a decision that threatens march trial date -- in michigan, an explosive new report detailing a new reporting of the president calling a county -- it is just the tip of an iceberg of legal news. nbc legal correspondent, laura jarrett, takes us through to look at how we got here. takes us through to look a>> we are coming all the r with breaking news, set to rattle the 2024 presidential campaign and our country's legal landscape. >> reporter: after years of investigations.
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>> they are not coming after mueller coming after you. >> reporter: 2023 will go down as the year it all came to a head. >> we have one set of laws in this country. and they apply to everyone. >> reporter: the 45th president now a criminal defendant. donald trump indicted in multiple jurisdictions. >> an unprecedented moment in history. the fallout, far reaching. >> reporter: this is a grave day in a serious one for our country. >> first, charged in new york, for what prosecutors say he did to get into office originally. mr. trump stands accused of doctoring his company's books and records to cover up an embarrassing story ahead of the 2016 election. >> the manhattan grand jury voted to indict former president donald trump. >> reporter: and in washington, and georgia. >> we look at the facts, we look at the law, and we bring charges. >> reporter: allegations of a sweeping conspiracy to stay in power and steal the 2020 election. >> it's not about calling the election rigged, it's not about saying that he actually won, it's about the means that he
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used to do that. >> reporter: the former president also charged for what the justice department says he did after he finally left the white house. >> the new photos released showing boxes of documents stashed in a ballroom, even a bathroom, at his mar-a-lago home. >> reporter: his arrest and arraignment played out live. mr. trump treated his court appearances as campaign events. >> the sole mugshot taken in fulton county, another surreal first among i said a stream of attacks. >> the attorney general of the state is a disgrace! >> reporter: against the prosecutors, judges and witnesses against him. >> i did nothing wrong. everybody knows. it i've never had such support. >> reporter: with each passing indictment, each pole number has grown. phone raising numbers through the roof. his legal woes have become increasingly complicated. with several alleged coconspirators pleaded guilty in georgia. and now, cooperating with
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prosecutors. >> if i knew than what i know now i would have declined to represent donald trump in these postelection challenges. >> reporter: it is not just criminal cases on the docket this year. on the civil side, -- >> did donald trump sexually abused miss carroll? the answer that from the jury is yes. >> reporter: mr. trump found liable for sexually abusing writer, e. jean carroll, the dressing room of a department store in the 90s. and calling her claims a hoax. his deposition played at trial. >> you can do anything, grab them by the [bleep], you can do anything, is that what you said? >> reporter: historically that is true with stars. >> it's true with stars that they can grab women by the [bleep]? >> 50 look over the last million years, that has been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> reporter: mr. trump no appealing the 5 million-dollar verdict against him while the ongoing civil fraud trial in manhattan appears to have struck a nerve. >> this is a railroad job, a
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witch hunt with notary. >> reporter: the family's real estate empire that prepared him for fame in the white house, now on the line. having already found fraud, the judge, now set to determine the penalty in the coming weeks, while mr. trump's rhetoric outside the courtroom -- >> we have a corrupt legal system in new york city, new york state. >> reporter: increasingly landing him in real legal jeopardy. battling over to gag orders. >> they do gag orders because they don't want to hear the truth. >> reporter: 2024 could pose the greatest test yet, with the political calendar in mr. trump's trial schedule now on a collision course. the first criminal trial against the republican front runner set to begin next spring. laura jarrett, nbc news. ng thank you to laura jarrett for that. we will have the latest developments in trump's legal cases at the top of the hour, including the supreme court sidestepping what could be a game changing decision on trump's push for presidential immunity.
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at least for now. up first, a dysfunctional alliance. how the war in the middle east has now taken a major toll on the u.s.'s relationship with israel. that is next. ionship with israel that is next that is next all right, tandy, what's it gonna be,
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around the clock to get hostages home to their families, their loved, once and get that all-important critical humanitarian aid into gaza to the innocent palestinian people who need those lifesaving medical treatments, whatever it is to make sure they get the food. we have been doing that and we want to have a humanitarian pause. it's incredibly important to have that. >> so white house press secretary, christine karine jean-pierre, they're speaking about the administration's priorities and gaza. speaking with the prime minister, netanyahu, who expressed gratitude for the u.s. position in the united
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nations. it is happening after the security council approved a resolution calling for sped up aid to civilians in gaza, composed of the u.s. epstein from. after vetoing a russian amendment that would have called for an urgent suspension of hostilities. joining me now is -- the host of the deep state radio podcast. david. it's a pleasure. thanks for joining us on this. a couple of things i want to take through. the readout from this latest conversation between the prime minister in the president was fairly brief. in it was details about the fact that this was the longest stretch in which the president and prime minister had not spoken since the time of this conflict began on october 7th. is that an indication enough of what you have written about in your latest piece of the daily beast about this cold front coming in when it comes to this relationship between the two leaders and the two countries right now. >> i don't know if it's
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indication enough. but when you put it in the context of everything that has been happening over the past couple of months, it is clear the relationship has become strained. there is no major u.s. initiative for u.s. policy priority with regards to this conflict that the israeli government has not actually opposed or tried to undermine, whether it was reducing the nature or scope of the violence against civilians, who do sing or allowing in more humanitarian aid, seeking a future in which israel does not control gaza, or seeking a future in which the palestinian authority has an elevated presence. each one of these cases, netanyahu, or those close to him, have undercut the u.s.. this has brought us to a point where i think there is real question among people in the u.s. government of how much longer we can continue to
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support an ally who is causing so much damage to its own reputation as well as to our reputation. >> i'm wondering though, as we just heard from white house press secretary, karine jean-pierre, about some of the priorities when it comes to this -- humanitarian aid to the gazans. why would they abstain to vote from the u.n. security council vote today when it comes to more humanitarian aid to gaza quicker. >> i think it's a reasonable question. the answer is clearly that the united states did not want to appear to be opposing israel or taking aside against israel and all of this. the reality is, of course, as is implicit in your question, providing more humanitarian aid
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is a higher priority, essential to anybody who believes in the principles behind the u.n. charter. it's something the u.n. has been pushing for. it's one of the areas where i think that we could've sidestepped diplomatic niceties and stood up for what is right. >> you mention in this piece about how, as you talked about briefly just now, other relationship between netanyahu and biden ha a quote on quote xi the u.s. officials you've been some of which have talked to, you about what needs to happen to rectify what is happening in the middle east right now. they cite the elimination of hamas, an elevation of the palestinian authority, and a removal from power of the netanyahu government in almost a single breath. how possible is all of this? possible today think -- the u.s. officials that you've been speaking to, today think -- how integral is the biden
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administration in making this happen? >> i mean, is it possible that hamas is eliminated from the political realm? definitely. is it possible to elevate the palestinian authority? there is no plan b. is it possible that netanyahu will be pushed out? he is very unpopular within israel at the moment. many people assume that when this conflict draws to a close he will be pushed out. of course, the question is, will he allow the conflict to draw to a close? well he find something else to extend it, or expanded, downed its current objectives? give his track record, i think that there is every reason to be fearful that it will. the u.s. cannot force him out. the u.s. can encourage those around him to step up. i think the united states knows that none of our goals will be achieved

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