the high school that have damage to them, which is understandable, considering what unfolded here. and they are trying to make the school look as much like the before asked possible. but of course, you can imagine that people are going back into that school, and are still going to have the memories of what unfolded this past weekend. >> the ptsd, after living through something like that, it -- thank you jacqui, appreciate it, thanks for being there. we've got a lot more coming up folks. you are watching msnbc, our second hour starts. right now starts right no hi everyone, i'm yasmin this ullian. if you are just joining us, welcome. if you are sticking with us, we are thankful for that. we are following some breaking news, an increasing number of flights grounded, after a terrifying scene on an alaska airlines flight, wearer -- was sucked away. and then it almost passages with us. on this third anniversary of the january 6th riots, we are getting new footage of the scene inside the capitol that

day, as insurrectionists tried to force their way into the house chamber. >> -- [inaudible] your constitution says -- the constitution. you are a traitor. >> and in a moment, we are would have more on that tape, as well as an in-depth look at what's happened to the thousands of people who took part in breaching the capitol, and trying to thwart democracy. alonso speak to congressman dan kildee about the continuing impact about the riot, and how his republican colleagues have changed their tune over what happened. and supreme showdown, the high court agreeing to hearing a crucial case involving whether donald trump can be kicked off of the ballot for his actions. it comes as the former president campaigns in iowa to get his old job back, with threats of what he will do if he succeeds. all of that, and we will tell you why a woman released from prison for killing her mother is now on a media blitz. the story of gypsy rose blanchard coming up later on

this hour. >> we want to begin this hour though with the fallout from the alaska airlinesmidflight scare. where a large chunk of the -- fuse blew out while in the air. faa announced that it is requiring immediate inspections of certainboeing 737 -- planes before they can return to flight. maintaining that safety will continue to drive its decision-making, as it insists -- of the investigation into the -- airlines. incident back within hours nbc's priscilla thompson, to talk more about this. give us the latest, if you will, as well as the air traffic control side of, this and how they handle the incident yesterday, priscilla. >> yeah yasmin, so right now -- is on the ground in portland, as they are investigating this. as you mention, the faa, making that announcement that certain boeing 737 max nines would be grounded as they are going through those safety checks. but it is all pretty incredulous, when you look at this video, and you see that it

looks like that side panel just completely ripped off midflight, leaving this giant gaping hole on the side of the plane. one passenger describing it as around the size of a refrigerator. there are the oxygen masks that were deployed throughout the plane. and you can just see peoples hair blowing back, because of the amount of wind that was gusting in through that opening. thankfully, the pilot was able to make an emergency landing, and none of the 177 people on board were seriously injured. but you asked about that moment with that call where went into air traffic control. i do want to play a little bit of that moment from inside of the plane. take a listen. >> we just depressurized, we're declaring -- 1000. >> yes we are emergency, we are depressurized. we do need to return back, do we have 177 passengers. >> and so you hear them they, are talking about a possible

pressurization issue. that is likely something that investigators are now looking to figure out, if that was the cause of it, and how to ensure that this does not happen again. as you mentioned, lots of folks talking about safety today. we know that united airlines has grounded nearly 80 of their bowing max. nines they've been able to get three safety checks on a little over 30 of those plants. and alaska airlines also grounding all of their, and they've been able to get through safety checks on about a quarter of those. so we are expecting some flight cancellations today, at least 60, if not more. and so, travelers may be in for cancellations and delays. but of course safety, top of mind for everybody after seeing that just incredibly hard going video. >> you have, priscilla thompson flores, thank you priscilla, very shaded. i want to get to that new footage just released, as we mark the third anniversary of the january 6th insurrection. there were calls for the murder of then vice president mike pence. and this new footage captured rioters expressing their anger at pence, right outside of the

house chamber. >> i drove 14 hours to get here, and stood in the cold for three and a half hours, to find out that mike pence is a -- traitor, man. and i voted for that -- . >> american citizens. >> you are a traitor. >> he could have done the right thing. and he could've certified those legislators electors, and we wouldn't be standing here with a nine millimeter pointing at you right now. >> certified, the fake of electors. i want to bring in nbc news justice reporter -- the man who quite really literally wrote a book on january 6th called sedition hunters, how january 6th wrote broke the justice system. you have followed, and written about extensively the investigation of january 6th, almost more than anyone. where are we now, and does more evidence continue to present itself? >> it does, you know new evidence continues to roll, a new identifications continue to

roll in. and in fact in recent days -- told me they've just now, almost three, years and now three years to the day after january, six identified additional people who were assaulting law enforcement officers that day, and are on the fbi's most wanted list. -- played a really critical role, here because the fbi was really overrun by the scope of this investigation, and they were limited by some of their technological considerations. that said, they've had a really successful third year of this investigation. take a listen. >> the third year of the sprawling investigation into the january 6th attacks saw some major achievements for federal prosecutors and the fbi. both -- stewart rhodes, one of the first january 6th rioters convicted of seditious conspiracy, was sentenced to 18 years in prison. with a judge calling him an ongoing threat, and a peril to this country. former proud boys chairman enrique theriot was convicted of seditious conspiracy, along with three other proud boy's. while a fifth proud boy, seen here smashing a capitol window, was convicted on other charges.

they are sentences ranged from ten years, 2:22 years. for tomorrow, the longest sentence imposed in a january 6th case today. >> we have charged over 1250 individuals, and obtain over 890 convictions. >> nearly every day of the week, the federal courthouse in washington, january 6th rioters are facing federal juries and judges at trials, plea hearings, and sentencings. richard -- barnett, featuring placing his feet on nancy pelosi's desk, received 4.5 years in federal prison. a retired firefighter who sought cult deprogramming after falling for 2020 election lies, received a four year sentence. a maga hatted rioter, who drove a stun gun into the neck of former metropolitan police officer michael -- , was sentenced to 12.5 years. his words to the courtroom, as the u.s. marshals led him away, trump won. >> arrests continue to roll in. among them, prominent actor jay

johnston. a manned -- up conan, for his resemblance to the former late night comedians. a former boston canine officer. they even arrested a former fbi special agent, who have been a member of the fbi's joint terrorism past task force in new york. prosecutors say he stormed the capitol and yelled at this other members of the mob to attack officers. of those who have entered pleas, all have pleaded not guilty. sedition hunters, the online sleuths to evade the fbi and hundreds of cases, told nbc news that there are about 1000 other january 6th participants who have been identified, but not yet arrested. nbc news spoke with one of the sleuths who is playing a major role in the investigation, who agreed to speak anonymously due to ongoing threats. >> yet we've had, for example, -- he has been identified for over, i believe 700 days. hopefully we will see some movement on him. soon >> matthew graves, the top federal prosecutor in washington, spoke this week about the investigation. many >> many cynicism around the country have already come 4

to 8 and defy individuals identified with the january 6th attacks. as a result of these tips, swarms of individuals have been identified, and will soon be prosecuted for violent acts at the capitol, and other violations of federal law. >> online sleuths say the clock is ticking, and that they want to not only hold riders accountable, but law enforcement as well. >> in my, case the fbi is -- there like everyone else, and they have a job. and some of them do well, some of them do it poorly, some of them don't really feel like they do it at all. there is a lot of work ahead, even as the trial of the most prominent january 6th defendant, former president donald trump, is set to go as soon as march. >> and yasmin, there is actually even just this morning, three january 6th fugitives who have been on the lamb for very long time, months for two of, them in years for the second individual, were arrested in a ranch in florida. >> and -- thank you ryan, appreciate it. i want to bring in nbc news

senior reporter ben collins talk more about this. so i think in the run up to 2024, to november and what comes after november, a lot of folks are wondering what has happened to this movement, where has it gone. has it gone underground, now because of these prosecutions and incarcerations, especially of many of the leaders of these movements? >> i think some you have gone underground. so we will have just done exactly what they were doing. i think we've done a poor job in this country, normalizing the stuff. and i do want to bring up, as we get into the next year, i think we should look to -- -- overtime. and i have a quote, hopefully it's up there on the screen. it says the practice of violence, like all action, change the world. the most probable change is a more violent world. that's -- some reflections -- 1969. and, that's what we're living through right now. >> it's a more violent world. >> yeah, a more violent world, where this sort of thing is okay to them, because they are not disputing this. while you open a paper, and you

will see people being like, was that really an insurrection. three years later, we saw with our own eyes, what you're seeing on the screen right now. was this really an insurrection? that is the question a lot of serious people are having right now. but of course. >> a lot of people are saying no. >> a lot of people are saying no, and that is because we have allowed the weight of rhetoric that comes with fascism to scare people into this sort of rhetorical debate. the serious people have rhetorical debates, while extremist just keep going. for example, in the first five days of 2024, 125 anti-trans bills have been put up nationwide. as you know, abortion rights access, that is deeply under threat. academics throughout the world, anyone who studies fascism, anyone who studies information. hundreds of academics, hundreds of people who study how information moves in the internet, and have -- sometimes in quiet by jim jordan, and his subcommittee. that is ironically called the subcommittee for weaponization of the federal government. so, all of this stuff is happening, in plain sight. i don't think there is going to be another moment like. this there is not going to be

another -- unless things go very badly for donald trump in the next 6 to 12 months. but there is these like, they won, they won the. game >> they've already won the game. >> because the threat of violence has people worried, in the back of their minds. if i indict the, sky if i give this guy too much, but if he is back in power, how much going to keep my column? how my going to keep talking to my neighbors? how my going to keep doing this stuff? because they were afraid of the violent action from a more violent. world >> so you don't necessarily see something like, because this is a conversation that i've had off the record, and with friends, with colleagues, with sources as to whether or not something like this would happen again, if donald trump won every election, if donald trump loses his reelection bid. and, you don't think so. >> oh i think. >> to this degree? >> i think things like this will happen in on individual levels. they kind of already are happening on individual levels. people are scared to confront of the sky. people who are republicans in

congress, almost all of them do this. they speak in private about how this guy is unfit, and how they are scared to cross an incapacitated. that is the definition of fascism, that is exactly what it is. so all of this has happened, the speech silencing that all these people complain about, that is already happening on their own side. and we, we have to start talking about this plainly, i think. because all of that violence is in the back of your head. those scenes from january six are in the back of your head, because of the fear that it could happen again. now look, i don't know if it's going to happen in this sort of grand -- >> -- said it's going to happen on a local level, he feels as if it were to happen, maybe it would happen not local state houses. and i remember, i'm sure as you well know, because you are so much part of that reporting, after enduring the inauguration, that was the threat then, right after january six it was all right, it seems like securities going to have to be high at some of these local jurisdictions, because that's where the threat lies now. >> if you are a trans person or

a librarian, they are probably listen to this and be like, what are you talk about this going to happen. it happens every day. what are you talking about? like the problems are outside my library, what are you talking about. so of course this is going to keep happening, but that's because we've normalized it to this extent. and i, i hope we don't keep doing this, because at some point, that's what they are relying on us to do. we debate the semantics of this stuff, while they just keep gaining power, step-by-step. >> then collins, giving us the real deal. appreciate it my friend, as always, great to see you. we're back in just 60 seconds, with the countdown to iowa. donald trump and the states today, campaigning on the anniversary of january six. and you won't believe what he just said, it involves a lincoln, and you have to hear it to believe it. and trump's not alone in iowa. the math scramble from his rivals, hoping to make any kind of dent in the former presidents march to the nomination. th nomination and seemingly unrelated symptoms, like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat

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in iowa. you see there where he is holding for campaign rallies in today's time. he is speaking right now in newton, iowa. this comes of course on the -- anniversary of january 6th. and just nine days from the iowa caucuses. trump still holds a commanding lead over 2024 opponents, rick nikki haley, vivek rome stormy, who are also in the state making their final push. i want to bring in nbc's -- who are both in iowa for us. ron, start us off, if you will. trump is speaking in our last, hour as you and i were speaking. what has he been saying on this third anniversary of january 6th? >> right yasmin, we have seen over the last 24 hours, donald trump did not run away from the january 6th attack. and he hasn't frankly, for the last three years. instead, he has made it a cornerstone of the great many of his campaign speeches, making the case that it was the fbi and and that had infiltrated the crowd in an attempt to make them all but look at. of course, there is no evidence of that, it is unfounded, and donald trump is using it to

justify what occurred there on january 6th. he also made the case that he has been indicted for fighting the rigged election. i mean, i want everyone to hear -- theirs and he just said from the stage, unrelated specifically to january six, just a couple of minutes ago. they were still trying to make sense of exactly what donald trump was talking about. but i'll just let you hear it for yourself, and then we can talk about on the backside, yasmin. >> the civil war was so fascinating, so horrible, it was so horrible. but so fascinating, it was i don't know, it was just, i find it, i'm so attracted to seeing it. so many mistakes were made. see there is something that i think could've been negotiated, to be honest with you. i think you could've negotiated that. but i think it's, you know abraham lincoln of course, if heat negotiated, it he probably wouldn't even know who labor him lincoln was. >> no, i'm not going to purport -- to be the best historian of the civil war by any means. but some of that most serious

early compromises were put forward in congress in the early years of the civil war, would have kept slavery as an institution for the union. for donald trump and it is unclear what text he was reading, that he was referring to. whether he was really about negotiations. but for donald trump here, nine days before the iowa caucus, recalling american history and one in which he cast shade on abraham lincoln, clearly for not having negotiated the civil war, or else america would not, know he would not be a famous president. abraham lincoln, that we all know. that is a readout here from donald trump's first campaign event, yasmin, if i weigh. he he has one other this evening, in clinton iowa. >> and history certainly is not his strength -- you are in -- . i won't make you stand there long, as i talk to ali, who is covering the nikki haley campaign. so for now ron, thank you. and let us know if anything else happens there, as you continue to cover it. >> ali my friend, over to you. i imagine the former president

also was talking about the civil war because of the gaffes made by nikki haley just a couple of days ago, when it came to the civil war. -- that slavery was the reason for the civil war, and try to walk back those comments. nonetheless, i know you've been following nikki haley -- so far for presidential candidates. and refusing to commit to accepting the results of 2024, and in fact the president -- if president joe biden wins reelection. where does nikki haley stand on that? >> well look, i didn't think that civil war history would be on my bingo card for closing messages or topics of conversation for the gop primary in 2024. but here we, are i suppose. and as far as election results acceptance goes, i think it's still pretty stunning, despite the fact that we are three years from january 6th, to see this even be up for debate. nevertheless, it is, and nikki haley is one of the few candidates who is willing to say this, in our recent

interview with her. watch. >> there is no reason that we should be mailing out ballots randomly. we should make sure that there is a process for absentee, which you verify signatures. so, every state needs to do that. but yes, i think a lot has been done well. i think i am assuming that we are going to have an election that is fair, that is strong, and that people can be proud of. >> so you are confident you will be able to accept the results in november. >> yeah, of course. >> it's important to hear the candidates say that, yasmin, especially when trump was so clear in telegraphing, as he always has been, exactly what he is going to do if he doesn't win. this is something that he had teased in 2016 when i was covering him, again in 2020. it's not new, it wasn't exactly shocking to see him do that, but it is certainly stunning to watch, because once more, what's more american than a peaceful transfer of power between presidents? whether or not they are from different parties, nevertheless we are watching trump continue to beat this theorem that the election in 2020 was stolen from him.

and frankly when i talk to voters, i think what is stunning, because i'm spending time with people who are either entertaining other candidates who aren't, trump or who want to vote for someone other than trump. when i asked them, including one woman this morning at a nikki haley event if small the democratic values and election security are things that are key motivators for them, especially because it is the anniversary of january 6th, they say that it is not a big motivator for them, it is not something that they think about often. they want election security, they would like to see more things like voter i.d.. but it what is so striking is the fact that most trump supporters believe that this is still something that is very palpable and motivating for them. but for those who are not immediate trump supporters, they just kind of want to push past. and i think that that is really fascinating to watch, as the party writ large decides they don't know if they want to trust in american election systems or not. >> that's interesting, especially considering what the president right now seems to be campaigning, on as we got a glimpse as to what his plan is for the 2024 runoff.

in that he is posing the, former president, as a threat to democracy. the question is, will it resonate with enough americans to get him over the finish line, to see that threat. and interesting to talk about that, of course on january six of all days. -- thank you my friend, appreciated. still ahead everybody, three years later, how the attack on january 6th affected those that were, they're just trying to do their jobs. i want to congressman dan kildee ahead about his personal stories from that day, and what he makes of the newly released footage. plus, as tony blinken continues his trip abroad, the growing concerns of the u.s. being pulled into a wider regional war with iran. but first, though an update on the major winter storm moving up the east coast. leaving tens of millions under weather alerts. weather alerts ly pill for moderate-to-severe plaque psoriasis for the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding your back... is back. or finding psoriasis can't deny the splendor of these thighs.

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ruling by the summer. president biden releasing a statement objecting to the high court's decision, vowing his administration, quote, will continue to defend aoman's ability to access emergency care. under federal law, and then also to that highly consequential analysis by the nation's highest court, the supreme court will take up former president trump's appeal to be on the 2024 ballot in colorado. and intends to hear oral arguments in the case in lightning speed, just about 30 days now. february 8th. a ruling by scotus would provide a nationwide resolution on his 2024 eligibility, as trump faces similar challenges in 19 other lawsuits across this country. i want arena nbc news supreme court reporter -- to talk more about this. so i just mentioned idaho before i obviously got into what's going on with colorado and how the supreme court is taking it up at lightning speed. if we look at the timeline for idaho, for instance, arguments will not be heard until april, with the decision likely. and you pointed this out around

june or. seeing the timeline now for colorado, what do you make of them expediting this? >> yeah i, mean -- they are hearing the arguments in february on such a exhilarated schedule, it does suggest there's going to be a ruling quickly after that. we've seen in other cases that the court is capable of doing that. you know normally it takes months for them to take up the case, and get a briefing and hear the arguments, and then issue a ruling that often comes out of the end of june. but you know we saw a couple of years ago when they held a challenge to president biden's vaccine mandates, around the same time of the year. and they decided those cases within a few weeks. so, i think we can see something similar here. just because there is this coming of deadlines for various states, finalizing their primary ballots and so on, it -- all of the parties have told them. so i think it's very likely that there will be a ruling within that initial timeframe.

>> you actually wrote a piece for nbc news digital, saying this. after the u.s. supreme court issued its ord friday, trump praised the three justices that he nominated for the supreme court. justice amy coney barrett, neil gorsuch, and brett kavanaugh. saying quote this. i fought really hard to get through very very good people, and they are great people, they are smart people, and i just hope that they are going to be fair. and we have course heard alina hobbs, the former presidents attorney as well saying essentially, brett kavanaugh owes him. could this be an instance in which, for instance, brett kavanaugh has to recuse himself being named outright by the former presidents attorneys, in the way in which he was? >> i would think it's very unlikely that he would do that, it's not really on him or what trump has said. so it wouldn't really rise to the level of something that he would have to recuse himself from. but of course, we've seen this before from the former presidents. not just in the supreme court

cases, but also in these other lawsuits and criminal case that he is currently facing, where he will say things about judges, and unlike a lot of other people who might say some other things about judges, he seems to avoid any punishment for doing that. so, i think that's the way it's been going for years now, i think it's probably going to continue. the supreme court is probably used to it as well. and you know, we've seen these kind of things happen from time to time with other politicians and presidents and so, on where they take shots at the court or try to influence them. and usually it doesn't lead to much. >> we'll have to wait and see how that turns out -- thank you sir, appreciate it. so i was reporting live from the capital, as many of you remember three years ago today. if you can believe it, at this point we had breached the capitol around 3:30 pm. they were already inside. take a look. >> i was actually just speaking

to someone, a man who came up from florida. he doesn't know how many days he's actually going to be here he. said himself is part of a militia group in the state of florida. he breached the capitol building, he got inside the capitol building, so he got into a hallway of the capitol building. and then they unleashed pepper spray on him, and then he subsequently had to retreat. but he said to me, personally, that this is not the end, they are not going to take this anymore. and he went so far as to say, brian to use the word depressing right before you came to me, the depressing situation that we are seeing here in washington d.c., on capitol hill. think about how depressing this is. he said the next, and we are going to come back with weapons. >> so, talking about the possibility of the next time. is that what it could look like? we are going to come back with weapons. it is certainly a sobering and depressing thought, as we look back on that day. and that rider that i spoke to came in contact with capitol hill police officers during the breach of that building.

take a listen to what former metropolitan d.c. officer michael -- remembers about the fallout from that day. >> i was dealing with a lot of criticism, both external criticism from people i have never met before in this country, who had absolutely no idea what my experience, and the experience of hundreds of law enforcement officers really was. and i was receiving a lot of internal criticism from the police department, for my fellow or former colleagues who didn't understand my motivations for speaking out. they couldn't see the fact that i was trying to make them acknowledge. and it took its toll. >> representative dan kildee was in the capital at the time of the insurrection, and he is joining me now to talk more about that. so michael -- dan, congressman i'm sorry, i should call you congressman. >> -- >> michael phenone, along with

other officers as well, have spoken out. and talked about the ptsd that they have developed, symptoms since the attack on the capitol that day. you have as well. take me inside the capitol that day, talk to folks about what it was like, and what you've dealt with since. >> well it's a terrible day. personally a terrible day. i was one of those members that was trapped in the -- on that day. and so we didn't really know the extent of the attack. we knew it was a dangerous situation, but we didn't know the extent of the attack, or how close we came to suffering even worse circumstances. until i saw the video, and one of my colleagues who is in the gallery -- it recently has put out some video that she was able to get from the security tapes, that shows that it was like 30 seconds from the time we were able to get out of there, that

the mob descended upon the area where we were taking shelter. so, it was a confusing time, it was distressing, but it became more distressing in the days and weeks that followed, as we learn more about the extent of the attack, just in the hours that followed when we saw the tape. but of course when we saw our colleagues change their tune so quickly, just hours after the attack from sheltering, to actually excusing many of these people who came to try to do what we all know was an insurrection against the people of the united states. >> so you end up, that's interesting that you bring up your colleagues that have changed their tune. there is some new footage that we've been playing over last 90 minutes or so, that has been released. i want to play for you some of that footage, featuring one of your colleagues, troy -- >> i've been a law enforcement

-- for 30 years. and i've never -- >> fast because you've never seen -- >> we asked in this last month. and i'm ashamed of my congresspeople, who they won't even stand up. what >> you need to backup. >> freedom is at hand! >> and congressman from texas, saying i've been in law enforcement for 30 years in texas, i am ashamed, i've never had people act this way, you need to back up, the rioters saying and ending with, freedom is at hand. what do you make of that, in comparison to what you've heard from representative -- since january 6th? >> well this is the part that is most disturbing to many of us, especially those of us who were trapped, to see the very same colleagues that depended on the capitol police to save their lives, to see them in the moment pushing back against the physical front that they were facing. but then returning within hours to confirm the fantasy that

these attackers carried with them into the capitol, to validate the precondition to that attack. and then almost inexplicably to some of us, later endorsed donald trump and, for another term as president, knowing, and having experienced what a donald trump presidency can lead to. it's irrational, and the thing that's most frustrating is that i separate in some ways, those people who are the attackers, who had been diluted and deranged by the information at hand. i separate them from some of our colleagues, who know better. they know the real truth, and they know that joe biden, handily defeated donald trump at the polls. but they continue to cling to this story, because they feel like it serves their political interests. well, their name is on a list, that's a list that is written

in ink, that will be there 100 years from now. they will have been part of the group that accommodated an insurrection on the united states of america. they can't erase that. >> congressman dan kildee, as always, it is a pleasure, expression you got those instruments in the background. it makes you just want to break through the screen, and start banging on those drums. thank you. sir >> part of my therapy, thank you. >> appreciate it. straight ahead everybody, israel reveals its plans for a post hamas gaza, will it work? i want to speak to veteran diplomat dennis ross, when we come back. en w come back. (jen) so we partner with verizon. their solution for us? a private 5g network. (ella) we now get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. our customers get what they want, when they want it. (jen) now we're even smarter and ready for what's next. (vo) achieve enterprise intelligence. it's your vision, it's your verizon.

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of state tony blinken visiting the middle east. his fourth tour of the region in three months. earlier today, blinken met with turkish president erdogan, discussing a wide range of topics. including the warren, gaza the release of hostages. and the future of the palestinian people, caught in the cross fire. it's happening and shelling between israel and lebanese militant groups hezbollah intensified, as blistering the strikes were a, quote, preliminary response to the assassination of a top hamas leader in beirut this week. i want to bring it out to talk more about this. msnbc foreign affairs analyst dennis ross. ambassador, thanks for joining us on this, appreciate it. a couple things i want to talk through. a short time ago, secretary blinken speaking at length about the efforts to bring peace to the region. i want you to take a listen to what he had to say.

>> all, right we don't have that sound. i want to read it for. you i do have it in front of me. here's what he said. there is clearly a strong desire in the majority of people in the region for a future that is one of peace and security. a de-escalation of conflict. and integration. that's one path, one future. the other future is an endless cycle of violence. the repetition of the horrific events we've seen in lives and security. my question, my follow-up to the secretary of state would be this. how do you get egypt, turkey, the arab nations, to coalesce around this. knowing that iran, as proxies, the folks that are pulling the string for hamas and hezbollah and funding hamas and hezbollah is looming in the background? >> i think the key is being able to show that, overtime, what they continue to do fails. what they're doing increases

the disenchantment, the alienation of their own allies. more, more one has to try to prove that this kind of broader coalition of states that want to different kind of future are successful against those states that are focused exclusively on how you exploit -- what iran does principally, it doesn't necessarily create the source of conflict. but it explodes the source of conflict. so, on one level, you want to see if you can end those conflicts, or at least reduce them. at another level, you want to show that whenever they try to exploit these conflicts it ends up costing them. more than anything else. i, mean it's really a conflict resolution approach, on the one hand. and it's also trying to raise the cost -- on the other of engaging in conflict exploitation. >> do you think the u.s. is doing, is that there is possibility to do this, enough to keep iran from exploiting

this conflict? we have been seeing so much back and forth with iran's proxies. obviously, over the last couple of weeks of so. it seems like the u.s. right now is playing defense. i understand what can happen if there was a direct armed conflict to the united states and iran and what that would mean. are they doing enough? >> it's such a hard dilemma. if you think about it. when you're exploiting a conflict, it's simple to do that. you put it more money, you put in more arms. you send people to go have an ideology with complete rejection. when you're trying to encounter, that you're trying to raise the cost to them. and you see what the cost is. look, looking at it from the standpoint of the israelis, if hamas is still in power at the end of this, that's a boost for the iranians. if they're not in power at the end of this, then one of iran's instruments was lost. so, you're trying to raise the cost of these conflicts to

those who are responsible for triggering them. but when you do, it inevitably, the conflict itself becomes more costly. or you get the united states drawn into it. but we have to be clear, you take a step back, we have a saying. look at the houthis are doing. 15% of all the worlds commerce goes through the red sea. they shut that down. that affects us, our economy, pretty clearly. so, it's not as if we don't have any stake in this. if you're looking at these conflicts, you're trying to build a coalition that will be successful in terms of countering those who are offering these threats. by definition, this is not like a light switch where you flip it, it's over, everything is now back the way you'd like it to be. the real problem, i, think these are really tough conflicts. circumstances where the ability to solve them is a whole lot

harder than the ability one has to instigate them, provoke, them take advantage of them. you just have to keep plugging away. affective diplomacy is also characterized almost always by patience. and figuring out where you have leverage and where you have partners who can add to the leverage you have. >> ambassador, i want to talk quickly about the day after. rael's defense minister ying out some sort of a. plan i wrote when really called a plan. for what happens after this war is over. saying, briefly gaza residents are palestinians. palestinians bodies will be in charge. saying that there will be some sortf raeli security presence and they will have free reign when it comes to that security presence. how do they say this when prime minister bibi netanyahu has no interest in allowing the appeal to govern future gaza? >> it's not a terrible position to have -- to adopt the view that palestinians won't be the ones

who eventually run gaza. it may take time, but it isn't palestinians running it. it israel. and israel does not want to be managing more than 2 million palestinians that responsible for that. if it's not israel, that it has to be some combination of external states. nobody looks like they want to come in and do that. if it's one of the external states, you could say it's nobody. in which case, you're gonna have somalia, and israel doesn't want somalia next to it. so, you end up coming back it'll be the palestinians in some form. but it won't be, it's gonna take time to get to that point. it won't be the palestinians -- right away. they can't manage the west bank right now. the palestinian authority has to be reformed. you'll need to have some sort of civic administration, and a bureaucratic level for sometime. but within a year or so, i think we can move on to an approach that actually gets it back into the conflict resolution mode. which is not where we are right now.

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after being released from prison for her role in murdering her mother, gypsy rose blanchard is now on a media blitz to tell her side of the story. here's nbc's dana griffin. >> there are other ways out. i did at the wrong way. >> gypsy rose blanchard enjoying her newfound freedom. making media rounds and dropping new resolutions during parts one and two have a six-hour lifetime special, the prison confessions of gypsy rose blanchard. >> when people tell me that you're gonna need therapy the rest of your life, you know, i laugh it off. i really do understand what they mean. it's going to take years to undo a lot of the psychological trauma. >> as a child, gypsy saffold medical abuse and unnecessary surgeries because your mom commits the world and doctors that gypsy was sick.

>> they don't know how far back she was doing this. to me. >> her mom deede had a psychological disorder, munch hausen syndrome by proxy. where a parent seeks sympathy through the exaggerated illnesses of their children. >> they anniversary of the crime is actually the hardest day of the year. i'm afraid of being judged for. because they're probably gonna make some kind of snarky comment, you killed her. >> unbelievable. our thanks to dana griffin for that. that wraps it up for me, everybody, i'm yasmin mr., gonna be back in the chair tomorrow. two pm eastern. come join us it's gonna be our last show symone starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ greetings everyone, you're watching symone. today, we are taking a look at the battle to keep americans democracy intact. three years after an extremist mob stormed the united states capitol, directed there by former president donald trump. and fueled by trump's lies about the e