good to be with you. i'm katy tur from manchester, new hampshire, where it is now or never. if nikki haley has any shot at changing the direction of the republican primary, this is her chance. the granite state with its stubborn independent streak is tailor made for a moderate candidate like nikki haley who is increasingly an outsider in the republican party. consider this.

the cbs news polling finds 48% of likely gop voters in iowa consider themselves maga voters which is why donald trump so easily dominated last night's contest. but only 33% of gop likely voters here in new hampshire say the same, giving haley a real shot at an upset in this state. but it is only a shot. new hampshire voters are notoriously last minute deciders, making polling something of a crap shoot here. last night, i went to yankee lanes in manchester for monday league play to ask some granite staters who they're going to pick next tuesday. as you'll see, it's not exactly easy to pin them down. >> so you've already decided. does the name begin with t? >> it very well could. and it night not. >> does it start with h and end with y?

>> i'm not good with letters. >> does it start with none of your business, stop asking me questions? >> there it is. that is it. >> what are you going to do on tuesday? >> i'm not even sure, to be honest. >> really? do you like nikki haley? >> she's all right. >> do you like donald trump? >> i love that man except for he won't shut up. >> i like nikki haley. >> why? >> i think she's got fresh ideas. she's got experience as far as international. and national being a governor. i think she can get elected. i'm not sure if trump can get elected. >> so you're going to vote for haley on tuesday. >> absolutely. >> do you feel like you're in good company in this state or trump has anytime the bag? >> it's tough, but you never know. new hampshire does some strange things at times. >> in my second voter's defense,

he was left unsupervised. here's the latest polling from cnn and the university of new hampshire. donald trump is at 39%. nikki haley, 32% with chris christie out, could haley get much of that 12% of his vote? theoretically, yes. but what about ramaswany's 8%? joining us now, garrett haake and ali vitali, who is here with me in manchester. so, garrett, one of the cardinal rules of politics is watch what they do. not what they say. what donald trump is doing this week is scheduling a whole lot of events here in new hampshire after not so many in iowa. what does that tell us? >> well, a whole lot of events the relative because we've covered campaigns in which a whole lot of events meant multiple per day and that's still not what we're seeing from the trump campaign but we're

seeing for what amounts to for this trump campaign, an increased in activity. he'll have the rally tomorrow and more over the weekend. they understand that new hampshire unlike what they saw in iowa, there's a chance, a small one, mathematically discernible chance they could lose here and they don't want to leave anything to chance. so the former president is ramping up his schedule and the other rule about politics isn't just where they go, but what they spend their money on. in new hampshire, that's included as ads attacking haley. they're bringing all the sort of available artillery to bear on haley in this state hoping to put her away here in a state where if she has an advantage based on the voters anywhere, it would be here. they want to nip that in the bud to the best degree they can. >> so, ali, does the haley campaign see yesterday's third place finish as good? are they happy with it? >> i think they're not unhappy

with it. i think they would have been pleased with second place. the fact desantis was in second, the fact he can somehow declare a victory that wasn't a victory, that allows him a little bit more runway. for the haley team, they were always pushing ahead to new hampshire. second place is a must do, a win of course would be the icing on the cake, but candidly, i don't think you can win the republican nomination without winning us state and i don't know what state she would be winning if she wasn't winning here in new hampshire. that's a problem. >> what about the debate that was supposed to happen this week? she's been at every debate. her and desantis lately. is she going to do this one? >> doesn't sound like it especially when she said to this me over the weekend. watch. >> should we expect to see you on the debate stage in new hampshire? >> is trump going to be on the debate stage?

>> is that the metric? >> i've debated five times already and had strong debates. it's time to get trump on the stage. >> if he comes, you'll come? >> is trump going to be on the stage? that's my question. >> so -- given the campaigns until 5:00 today to say whether or not they'll be on the stage. my money would be on no. haley seems to be saying she'll be there only if he'll be there. >> what does haley do after manchester, not manchester. after new hampshire? >> goes to south carolina. technically to nevada. there's a split in there being a primary and caucus in the way the delegates are allocated. south carolina is though in my mind the be all and end all in this. for trump, we know that's the state that he really swept and solidified his control. >> he just took over. >> coasted right on through. so for haley, it's another level, too. it's her home state.

i've talked to people there on the ground. even people who like her who say it's going to be a battle that they're not confident is going to fall in her direction. we'll see what momentum brings but i think it's a tough slog. >> garrett, donald trump won it in 2016. how do they feel about this more moderate electorate and voters who say i just want somebody else. i don't think donald trump can beat joe biden. >> i think they feel like those voters, at least among registered republicans here, are going to be in the minority. new hampshire is a state in which independent, non affiliated voters play an outsized role in these primaries especially in a year like this where there's not a democratic primary, at least not a seriously contested one taking place here. those unaffiliated voters may want to jump into this republican primary. but the trump campaign is very confident about new hampshire and they often remind us this was the first state to give

trump a victory anywhere in 2016 against a candidate who was that cycle's version of nikki haley. john kasich. ohio governor seen as the moderate, as the person who could appeal to independent voters in that cycle. and trump crushed him in new hampshire by nearly 20 points. so i think they feel like they have a pretty effective blueprint from the last time he had to run in a primary campaign here. for exactly how to do this again this cycle. >> it's part of why we're not seeing him at so many campaign events is because he's treating these court cases as campaign events. right now, he's in a courtroom in new york city facing e. jean carroll for the second time in her defamation lawsuit. there's this. there's the other court case. the federal court case. there's the immunity case. there's what might be part of the supreme court. there's so much that donald trump is showing up to. also the civil case in new york and trying to use those cameras. do they see those as campaign

events? >> to a certain degree, they do. i can go back and forth with different trump campaign staff or allies about whether these cases are created equal in the minds of their voters but when i talk to trump voters, they basically say the same thing. this is an example in their mind of trump being unfairly persecuted by the state of new york, georgia, o the biden doj. his supporters, but also republican primary voters, even some who don't identify as his supporters have really bought into this to a significant degree that prosecutions are political. for donald trump, if the choice is between iowa in a high school gym talking to a couple of thousand people or standing outside a courtroom in d.c. as he did last week talking to tens if not hundreds of thousands on national television, it's a fairly easy choice for a candidate who's trying to run a national primary campaign to put this thing to bed by the middle of march. >> especially a candidate who's

no longer having their rallies taken by all the cable networks. joining us now, msnbc political contributor, james. really good to see you. thank you. i love the weather here. i love that you're in a very thin coat compared to my giant marshmallow. let me ask you about trump and the court cases. do they bother the granite state? it's an independent state here and there are so many independent voters. i understand the maga wing is rock solid. what about those voters who you know, might want as nikki haley puts it, the chaos left behind. >> i think what's going to be fascinating, they're finicky. in a fun john mccain kind of way. also, if they don't think there's much of a race, they may not vote. the first test for nikki haley here in new hampshire is not just to convince people to vote

for her, it's to convince people to care about this race at all. people think this is over. done. whatever. >> well, that's what i have to ask about. yesterday in iowa, donald trump won so commandingly. what i heard last night was a lot of voters telling me they want to see how nikki haley does. they want to see her prove that she can challenge him. that she has a fighting chance. does coming in third prove she has a fighting chance? >> third in iowa, first in south carolina. marco rubio had momentum and she absolutely does not come into the state with that. that's what i think is so interesting about this. her first event is way up in the north country at this elite hotel where no one lives and you're going to try to build momentum. again, what's the moment this is going to happen? you're not going to have a debate. there's no big dinner with big speeches.

we've seen this playbook happen before. it's not like this is impossible and clearly as you mentioned, among the first four early states, iowa, new hampshire, nevada, south carolina, this is where donald trump has always been the most vulnerable. only two polls out of 100 showing him over 50%. you can do it. actually in a counterintuitive way but the fact desantis is still in this case could bring down trump's margins. >> can i fast forward to the general election and president biden? is he vulnerable in new hampshire? if it's a close race for president, get it to 270, you need new hampshire. >> new hampshire has been a classic swing state but it's trending blue. the as light blue right now. but where it's interesting is where there's a democratic incumbent president. you saw the real hard core fight here in 2012 between obama. preelection, both on that monday and sunday. both here in manchester. but right now, the latest polls

show that joe biden's winning by 90. i think that's a much tighter race. >> did he really anger people by moving the primary to south carolina? anger democrats. i heard that from a bunch of democrats while i was here. is that characteristic of the state? >> it's the democratic elite who's very upset about it. when we polled the regular every day new hampshire person, they don't really care. >> thanks. good to have you. good to see you and get your expertise. we're going to be following closely for this next week as we head into the primary next tuesday. the governor of new hampshire is going to join me in a moment. he says he's all in on nikki haley so, why is he also saying he'll be all in on donald trump and what's that doing to the race here? >> plus, what president biden has to worry about in the granite state and why it could put his re-election in jeopardy. we have more specifics about this in a moment. first though, we already lost one defamation case against e. jean carroll. today, donald trump faces another. what's happening in court as we

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in what is now a 2024 norm, donald trump went right from his vktry party to the courtroom. he's sitting for opening statements in his second defamation trial. another case brought by e. jean carroll. the writer he sexual assaulted in the 1990s and in a nod to the highly politicized atmosphere, the judge asked jurors if they've ever contributed to hillary clinton or barack obama and whether they've ever been to a trump rally. joining us now, jasmine. they're back in court. are we hearing opening statements? >> opening statements are going on right now. the news though and what i'm hearing is the former president has left the building. he's got a rally where you are

as you know later this evening. so opening statements happening now. back in session after lunch but the former president is now on his way to new hampshire. some color from inside the court. i know lisa has been talking about this. boris epshteyn has been pretty active throughout the day inside the courtroom. when they resumed court after a quick lunch break, he tried to make a motion and before he could, the judge shot him down and told him to sit right down. i think what's interesting as you're looking at the make up of this jury is it's very nonspecific when it comes to some of their political views and where they're going for their news sources. it seemed as if many of these jurors wanted to serve on this jury once theyed out who in fact, what the trial actually was. some saying their new sources were es tiktok, youtube. some saying it wouldn't sway them one way or the other. three to five days for this

trial is what they are proposing. one and a half for the defense. two and a half for carroll's attorneys as well. the question is is the former president going to testify. the judge has said repeatedly if in fact he does testify, he cannot defame carroll once again on that stand. and he cannot make about that. he cannot say he did not sexually assault her because he has now been found liable of sexual assault. if he does take that stand, we're looking at testimony to happen monday. but again, that's a major if. >> a major if, indeed. thank you very much. and joining us now, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, paul butler. he's already been found to have sexually assaulted carroll. he's had to pay her a fine. this second defamation suit, what's at stake here? >> well, it's interesting that he's attending at all. this is a trial about the image

as we've heard. trump has already been found liable for sexual assault and defamation in the earlier lawsuit. the judge said that finding carries over to this case. so jean carroll is asking for at least $10 million but the judge said there's no count. the jury can award whatever damages it thinks that miss carroll deserves. the interesting thing is trump claims he's going to take the stand but i don't know what he has to testify about that's going to be relevant for the issues. he will not be able to deny that he sexually assaulted and defamed miss carroll. >> so if it's in front of a jury trial, how much money could he end up owing her after this second case? how much will the jurors be considering? >> well, the jurors may start at the $10 million that miss carroll's asking for. part of the expert testimony will be how much money it takes for miss carroll to rehabilitate

her reputation after the way that the former president defamed her. trump and his team obviously know what happened with rudy giuliani where in that case, the jurors awarded shaye moss and ruby freeman way more money than they were asking for for punitive damages and to send a message. these jurors might have the same idea after they hear all of the evidence. >> one of donald trump's lawyers has withdrawn. is that a big deal? >> it's a huge deal. a big loss for the former president. he was the best trial lawyer on trump's team. he's represented sean hannity, alex rodriguez, asap rocky. we don't know why he's no longer representing trump. when a lawyer withdraws from a criminal case, the judge has to approve it, but the information hasn't been made public. what has been reported is that

he advised trump not to take the stand in the first defamation trial with jean carroll. trump later said he regretted not taking the stand. he wants to take the stand now so maybe that was the issue between trump. but it's a big loss. >> reading the tea leaves. paul, thank you very much. and coming up, what effect governor snunu is having on the new hampshire primary? did he inadvertently help donald trump and what president biden need to watch out for in the general election. don't go anywhere. the general election don't go anywhere. re. e*trade from morgan stanley power e*trade's easy-to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e*trade from morgan stanley

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i can feel it from the other side of the room. i can sense that you said can she come over here because i'm desperate to tell her who i want to vote for on tuesday. >> okay, what is this for? >> it's for the news. >> okay, good. i am like, hi. >> hi, i'm katy. >> i'm mariah. >> on tuesday, new hampshire votes in a primary. >> oh, so you're asking political stuff. >> yeah. >> i am heavily left. >> yeah. >> and yeah. i think that both sides could do better. >> would you consider haley? >> yes. >> you would? >> yeah. >> even though you're heavily liberal. >> yes. >> why? >> because i think both sides have had their fill of old white men and it's time for a younger,

more new blood to come in. that have broader scope. and are willing to work with the other side. because right now, it's just toddlers screaming over their toys and wanting to go home and wanting to win. >> so maybe give a woman a shot? >> i know. funny. >> if it's haley versus biden, who would you vote for? >> haley. yeah, mostly over politics with israel right now. >> so biden might have some trouble in new hampshire. >> yes. >> among democrats. >> yes. >> the biden re-elect campaign says it is confident the president is the only democratic who can beat trump but polls say they are tired of both men. while that seems a problem for trump and biden, trump has a rock solid base of highly energized voters. does president biden? joining us now, raymond buckley. does president biden have a rock

solid base of energized voters? >> absolutely. you've seen that in poll after poll. the whole write in effort came of polling. >> effort here because there's no primary. president biden moved it to south carolina. i'm sorry to say. >> dnc. >> yeah. >> but yeah. the polling showed this summer that democratic voters overwhelmingly were going to write joe biden's name in. >> is that rock solid core of support you say he has because they love president biden or is it because they are terrified of another donald trump presidency? >> well, i think there's a combination in there. also, there is a level of respect for what he's accomplished in his three years in office. people never disliked joe biden. he came in fifth place in 2020, had nothing to do with joe biden. they just preferred somebody

else as their first choice, but he was second choice for a lot of people. >> age comes up a lot. for both the men, but specifically for president biden. are you worried about, you told me you're worried about turnout in the primary next tuesday, but i want to fast forward to the turnout in the potential election. with trump and biden potentially running against each other, people say they're so tired of them. should people be concerned about turnout? >> here in new hampshire, we are the only battleground state that has biden leading by a significant margin. the voters in new hampshire are goeng to reject donald trump and i'm very confident that president biden will re-elect. >> turnout in iowa was very low. >> shockingly low. even with those windchills because -- they're a hearty stock. do you expect turnout here, you told me you expect turnout to be low. why? >> turnout is going to have a

significant impact. 40% of the electorate are independents. they can pick any or sit home. and we don't know what they're going to do. they could bolster up desantis or haley or actually maybe increase trump. or they could jump over and write in joe biden or help one of the other candidates. >> does, democrats want to face president trump or nikki haley or ron desantis? >> well, i think that the fact that both desantis and haley have really repeated the maga talking points of donald trump, certainly facing the same issues. saving democracy, protecting women's rights and really moving the economy forward. >> i keep hearing from voters here they'd rather vote for nikki haley. calling themselves liberal. others who say they're open to voting for somebody else. are you sure nikki haley is

somebody that would lose to president biden? >> i truly believe so. women's reproductive rights and abortion issues are very important here in new hampshire. >> she's more moderate on abortion. >> she really hasn't been talking that much about it but her record isn't that, is pro-choice as the voters of new hampshire. >> all right. ray monday buckley, thank you so much for joining us. we'll be watching what happens on tuesday and in the general election. we'll also watch to see who courts iowa, not iowa. new hampshire democrats for 2018. >> we're here. >> thank you very much. coming up, the candidate he endorsed just came in third place in iowa. does the governor still think nikki haley can win new hampshire? he joins me next. n new hampshire? he joins me next that just because it fits in the cupholder doesn't make it 'to-go'. and you know how to brake, without breaking everything.

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nikki's campaign was saying top two will leave iowa and she said she was going to be. she was really relying on non republicans for her vote support. you can't rely on non republicans to win a republican nomination, but especially against donald trump. how are you going to be able to compete in that situation? >> nikki haley says it is a one

on one race, but as you just heard, ron desantis says he isn't going anywhere. joining us now, governor sununu. thank you for being with us. we wish you brought nikki haley with us who was at that candy store, but we'll take what we can get. kidding. happy to have you. let me ask you about what desantis said, the idea that haley can't win because her support isn't republican. >> she's the tea party governor that turned south carolina around. she's a strong conservative. goes after the conservative base. because of i'd say her background, she has the international experience, experience as getting stuff done as a governor. the wife of a combat veteran, a great mom. one of the most likable candidates you're ever going to find on the campaign trail. so people from all across the spectrum are really connecting with her. that's why her numbers are surging. with all due respect to ron,

he's done. he could barely scrape out a second place finish in iowa. this is all about the momentum in new hampshire. she's within single digits of the former president and that's something no one thought was possible. so she's going to be retail campaigning in places like the candy shop. you build that momentum, capitalize on it and really give trump a run for his money. >> i see her walking behind you in that candy shop. i welcome her to come to the camera and take some questions if she wants to, talk to our viewers who are voters in the great state of new hampshire. when i talk to people out here, they keep telling me her name, but they wanted to see her prove in iowa that she can win. that she has a fighting chance. do you think coming in third is enough to prove to new hampshire voters, i guess what's your message to them they're not going to vote for her only to have her go past new hampshire and sink in south carolina and nevada and the super tuesday

states. >> yeah. so look. when it comes to iowa, there was never an expectation to in iowa given that remember, she was the only one whose numbers surged at the end and she gave ron a run for his money. it was ron who said he was going win iowa and trump. they're the ones that kind of set that tone. this starts here in new hampshire. this is where the former president can be beaten. the rest of the country needs to see that to be sure because there's a lot of apathy out there. a lot of folks assume it's going to be a faint and trump's going to run away with it. clearly not the case. that's because she's earning it on the ground. folks want to see she's connecting with voters. she understands the issues and the facade this is just trump's race to be had. to say, the emperor has no clothes. we're a forward thinking state. we don't work backwards and hope for the leadership of the past. we're always forward thinking here and carrying that momentum

that's going to be a strong second place finish here. that's wonderful, but now the chance to actually beat trump here, that would be amazing. but now here we are just a stone's throw away. taking that into her home state of south carolina, that's why we say this is a trump haley race. with all due respect to ron, this is a two-person race. ron i think in the last poll i saw polls about 4 or 5% here in new hampshire. i'm not even a contender. no money, no ground game and now to take nikki's approach to the campaign. approach to these issues back into her home state after doing well in new hampshire, that's going to be an amazing for the country to have that binary choice and it becomes a 50-50 proposition going into super tuesday. >> i will say that you guys in this state have pushed on presidents from new hampshire from the past. you have bill clinton in '92. mccain was the nominee, wasn't the president. but you picked the winners of

the party certainly in new hampshire. the voters in the state like you a lot. you're a very popular governor here. they listen to you. >> go on. >> no, it's true. it's what i hear from voters. i want to know given that and you're endorsing nikki haley, do you think it was a mistake to say i'm going to vote for donald trump if he's the nominee? even if he's convicted in a criminal courtroom? do you think that was a mistake that maybe undermined the enthusiasm for nikki haley? >> no, the point there is very clear. if folks think some external factor is going to take trump down, court cases are going to come to bear and he's in trouble, that's not happening. you beat donald trump at the ballot box. by getting out the vote. it happens right here in new hampshire. i want people to know not to sit apathetically waiting for someone else to beat donald trump. it has to be about getting behind nikki haley and taking that path and when you have

leadership like hers that can win, this is all about charging people up to get out to vote. and yes, donald trump would be in a nail biter race with joe biden for sure. nikki haley would win by ten, 15 points. that's why people get so excited about her here in new hampshire. it puts the chaos and drama behind us but don't think for a second that something else is going to -- if your viewers say donald trump is a threat to democracy, get off the couch and go vote. don't wait for these external things to happen. we're just trying to charge people to make sure we have as high a voter turnout as we can come tuesday. >> a lot of people do think he's a threat to democracy and nikki haley says chaos follows him. but i wonder when you say you're going to vote for him any way, are you telling those voters he's not a threat to democracy, that chaos following him is fine because ultimately if he's the

nominee, i'm going to vote for him, it's totally okay. is that undermining the argument for nikki haley? >> no, because look. that's the general election. we're focused on the primary. the reality, joe biden is that bad of a president. has done that bad of a job that'ven with someone that all the chaos and drama of donald trump would have a shot. we're getting behind nikki haley pause it comes with a mandate, leadership. because it comes without i should say the chaos, the drama. all the crazy things. it's putting all of this stuff behind us. no one wants to see trump biden on that ticket. it's america's worst nightmare right now. be a product if you will of driving the change by coming out and voting in south carolina. in new hampshire. making this thing happen. it's so important. i'm just trying to encourage voters don't sit back and wait for something to change that process. you have to do it. it's about the voters. that's democracy. get the voters engaged. >> do you not think january 6th

was a big deal? >> well, of course it was. absolutely. of course it was. the election night on january 6th but when it comes to the republican primary, those issues do not really come to bear in the republican primary for the voters. they just don't. they're way down on the list of priority. people want to know the border is going to be secured. they want to know inflation is going to be taken care of. they want to know there's going to be fiscal responsibility and they're going to treat their tax dollars with respect which nobody in washington has done for a long tie. january 6th and election day are not key issues on the republican voters' minds right now. >> all those things are a big deal and i won't argue that. i think voters are feeling it up and down this country. republicans, democrats, independents, everybody. and people are worried about it, but how can you fix those things if you end up getting a president who refuses to leave office? i think that going back to january 6th which i know you were not happy with. are you sure if donald trump was

elected again that he would leave at the end of his four years? >> you're asking a lot about the guy that's going to lose. we're all focused on nikki haley. this is how you get rid of donald trump. how you put line of questioning and this chaos and drama behind us and we talk about real things that drive the country forward. not relitigating the past. this has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the opportunity to show he's weak. he's not willing. he's a coward. he's not willing to stand on a debate stage with nikki haley. he made a lot of promises he never fulfilled on. securing the border, building a wall, healthcare reform. we voted for him because we wanted all this stuff. we got none of it. social security about to go bankrupt. people going to lose benefits and he's guaranteeing he won't touch it. that's a scary thing. people comes out for nikki haley because she has a plan to fix it without removing anybody's benefits. that's opportunity there. >> i ask it to clarify your

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four days left to fund the government. lawmakers in the house took a snow day today. does that mean they're confident the deal, the spending deal that is on the table, will pass? joining us, nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan noble. is it going to pass? is that why they took today off? >> reporter: i don't think one has to do with the other, to be honest with you. the situation, the movement right now on this short-term spending deal, is in the senate. house leaders didn't really need to be physically in washington for this process to move itself forward. we do expect the senate to take the first step, a procedural step, toward passing this continuing resolution. it could take until sunday if even one senator holds up the process, which would get us past

that friday deadline. but there is the expectation there is enough votes in both the senate and the house to pull this all together in time to avert the worst consequences of government shutdown. but they do need to get back here to washington to make that happen. now house members won't be back here till tomorrow at the earliest, katy. >> is this still just a stopgap measure? >> reporter: very much just a stopgap measure, really just punting the larger conversations about passing these 12 different appropriations bills until the early spring. right now it's a two-tiered system like we've already faced in the last quarter of 2023. so there would now an deadline of march 1st and march 8th as opposed to this friday, and then into the middle of february. but that does give the negotiators more time to work through this topline number all the sides have abreed to. the real issue is with house republicans. they still remain angry with speaker mike johnson for cutting this deal with the white house and with the senate majority

leader, chuck schumer. they still need to fill out the details of this budget agreement. but there's the real possibility that once they get to that point, that these appropriations bills really have to be passed under suspension, meaning they need two-thirds of house members in order to pass them. because they won't make it through the house rules committee because it is stacked with some of the most conservative members of the house bought deal kevin mccarthy made to become speaker. while there's optimism they'll ultimately get this done, there is still a number of hurdles that stand in the way before they get to that and final passage. >> also a question of what this means for speaker johnson's future as speaker of the house. ryan nobles, thank you very much. it is january 2024. the beginning of an election year. and i just think it's a good idea to remind people that we're not powerless. listen to a voter i spoke with last night, pastor keller.

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