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>> during? this >> yes, i. and sit there and look pretty. let's dive into some of the big stories of the week. >> donald trump, a busy man on the campaign trail in new hampshire and in the new york city courtroom during the second day of the defamation damages trial he faces involving writer e. jean carroll. the judge threatened to throw former president donald trump out of court for talking, being disruptive ball carroll was testifying on the stand. the judge also scolded trump attorney alina habba, one before the start the trial -- trial, she requested for the third time the trial be adjourned today. so that trump could attend his mother lost funeral in florida. the judge denied that request again, telling her to sit down, which haven't responded, she does not like being spoken to in that way by the judge. understand yesterday, e. jean carroll testified about the sexual abuse she says she suffered at the hands of donald trump and how speaking about it in 2019 ruined her reputation and damaged her career.

carol said after then president trump denied the allegations and called her outlier, she then received hundreds of messages a day echoing trump's words, many including death threats. carol's attorney showed social media post trump may just yesterday morning before court, continuing to attack carroll and the court. carol and her attorneys are seeking at least $10 million and damages. let's bring in former litigator, msnbc legal analyst ribbon and -- from the new york times, katie benner. lisa, good to have you back with us. you seem to be every morning talking about another bizarre day in court where donald trump seems to be trying to instigate some kind of fight with the judge, who can later claim that he was biased against him, or whatever he's going to say for his own politics. take us inside the courtroom. what was it like yesterday? >> well, yesterday was as mika said, spike see. and someone who experienced it, i have a lot of heartburn. when i think about yesterday and what went on, in the course

of the day, trump's defense team moved for a mistrial, asked for the judge to be recused and try to bring out in their cross-examination of e. jean carroll, not one, but two examples of potentially unlawful things she had done. one, thank you sir of spoiling elliott buttons in the case, cut off by judge kaplan. they even try to insinuate that she has an unlicensed gun and it is illegal to possess an unlicensed gun in the state of new york. why did that even come up? because e. jean carroll has testified that she sleeps with that gun just beside her bed for self protection because in the wake of all of these online threats coming from people who have names like sports justice, she doesn't know where the threat is going to come from. and therefore, electors for her physical safety. >> what about this back and forth between the judge, judge kaplan and donald trump and his team, which is to say that judge kaplan said, you can't do that in the courtroom. i know you think the rules don't apply to, former president trump. you can't be disruptive. you can't interrupt.

you can do all of the things you are doing. where does that lead if the former president continues to behave that way, which he is doing intentionally, we, nelson but he can say the stretch is biased against me. >> he's absolutely doing it intentionally. at one point, you know, one of the things that wasn't picked up on some of the reporting was when caplan said to him before the recess, you just can't help yourself under the circumstances, can you? trump walked out and there is a lot of crosstalk. it was difficult to hear. apparently, according to the associated press and others, he shot back, nor can't you. you can't either. trump seems to think he's in a battle of wills with an equal. alina habba does to, telling the judge, i don't like to be spoken to like that. i think what is most threatening to donald trump is that he doesn't know what caplan is going to do next because caplan hasn't made a specific threat. he said, i can adjust you from the courtroom. trump doesn't know whether kaplan will bar him from testifying, there are any number of measures that caplan

can take. the fact that he hasn't been clear about which one he will choose is what is keeping trump as much in line as he has been even though his conduct is unbecoming of any person in the [inaudible] >> the transcript shows this is exactly what donald trump, once it's a sight when judge kaplan says, quote, mr. trump, i hope i don't have to include excluding from the trial, or at least from the presence. i understand you are probably very eager for me to do that. trump replied, quote, i've would love it. just saying out loud what he's trying to do here. >> you know, katie benner, to me, i ask, does he really care about what is going on in the trial? does he want to just get in there to make trouble, to continue to defame e. jean carroll. he is in there again pikas he continued to defame her after losing a case against this woman. so, are the tactics to show up, to drum up the base? because we've seen data that shows these legal actions

against donald trump, whether they be indictments or civil cases seem to be tightening support for him. >> you know, i think it's hard to be in trump's head. but you're right. there is data that shows two things. first, to your point, a lot of support comes out of the woodwork when he goes into the courtroom. he can spin these things. he can create outcomes. when that doesn't work, he can just say whatever it is that he wants about the procedures. whether or not there is truth there. you are right. it helps the supporters. it's a very personal battle for him. it is intimidating to e. jean carroll for him to be there. she talked a lot about the kinds of threats that she received from the moment she first talked about the alleged assault, which has been ruled by another court to have happened. so, those threats, i think we cannot underestimate and we cannot look away from because not only did e. jean carroll testify about them very clearly, these are the kinds of threats

that members of the republican party, house members, members of the senate, also get when they defied donald trump. they don't have the same sort of every tons of gender bias and gender discrimination and horrible sexism. the threats are real. they are really, really violent. when she talks about the way that she feels, this is how anybody who defies donald trump feels. it really helps to understand why he is able to garner that kind of public support he has for people, privately talking about how much he shouldn't be president again. >> mitt romney yesterday asked via cnn reporter what he thought about the iowa results. he said, well, i don't understand the republican party. you don't hundred stand my party. they are supporting a guy who raped a woman. of course, that was what the judge said. just ask mitt romney about the iowa caucus and peaceful showing a majority of gop caucus didn't believe biden was elected legitimately.

this is what mitt said. i think a lot of people in this country are out of touch with reality and will accept anything donald trump tells them. you had a jury that said that donald trump rapes i woman and that doesn't seem to be moving the needle. there's a lot of things about today's electorate that i have a hard time understanding. >> my cousin, matt, you went to a trump event in new hampshire. just wrote me this long email about how gobs back-ing it was that no matter what trump said, it seemed the audience would take it completely at face value, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how obvious a lie it was, it was like a religious event. it was like a cult event. they were loving everything he was saying. most of that, completely untrue. out of whack, crazy talk. and we will be right back. d we will be right back.

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committee meeting yesterday on border security, democratic congressman jared moskowitz of florida crystallized how house republicans are just playing cynical politics with the issue. >> if you listen to my colleagues, you would think the world didn't begin until president biden was elected. you would think it was dinosaurs, the wheel, cheeses, the world was flat, the world was round, biden was elected. every problem. like nothing happened before. if that, president obama deported more people in each term then president trump. hold on a second. if the border wasn't a problem until president biden was elected, then how will be deporting all of these people in administrations before trump was elected? it's because this situation has

been going on for decades. so, stop lying to the american people that none of this happened until president biden was elected. listen to the speaker who was called on a call yesterday saying, we can't solve the border crisis until after the election. by the way, here's congressman neil's giving it all away. giving it all away. let's read this. let me tell you -- he's talking about immigration. let me tell you, i'm not willing to do a darn thing right now to help a democrat, to help joe biden's approval rating. i will not help the democrats try to improve this man's divisible approval ratings. i'm not going to do it. he's saying he's not going to do anything on the border. he's from texas, which needs help. i'm willing to do stuff on the border. i'm willing to do it. but they are not willing to do it because they're doing what people hate about this place. they want to use it to raise money. they want to use it to politicize it. but they don't want to solve

the issue. there's a deal on the table. >> thank you mister chairman. >> saying it out loud some ways. jacqui, when it comes to border security, there actually is quite a lot of agreement as we have seen between republicans and democrats. yes, republicans want some measures that are more stringent. you have democrats in the house, in the, senate saying, absolutely, we have to do something on border security. where does this leave the issue of ukraine? i keep hearing from senators that they are confident that america will not abandon the ukrainians. they know what that would do two allies around the world and they know the cost of doing that. but i'm listening to the house. maybe you hear it, but i am not hearing that this is something that they are prepared to do because they don't want to give the president any kind of when. >> you're absolutely right. that's something we cannot underestimate here. the political imperative of house republicans, people like troy nehls and bob good, who

have a right, said we don't want to give biden this political when. that's going to dictate our vote. they are also people who have continued to say, we are not going to continue to fund ukraine, pointing to some of what they believe to be missed spending on part of zelenskyy and the ukrainian forces. but when mike johnson walked out of that meeting at the white house yesterday with chuck schumer, house intelligence members, jake sullivan, avril haines, joe biden, he did acknowledge that he came out thinking that we need to continue to assist kyiv in some capacity. i think at the end of the day, if the house has to ultimately vote on something on this package that mcconnell has said is going to make it through potentially next week, it is going to put republicans in a jam. you know, it is hard, i, think to look at people like mark greene and members in homeland security issue who are bringing

and the parents of people who have been killed by migrants and trying to argue that they need to impeach mayorkas, also trying to kill a border bill that lindsey graham is saying is the best thing that lawmakers have seen in years and that having a discussion about border security, without a pathway to citizenship, it's almost unheard of. it's something that we'll never get done in a potential future trump administration. i think what you saw yesterday is a prelude to this potential jammed that right johnson is going to face next week with his members. >> well, think about this. jacqui brings up such a great point. they want to impeach mayorkas because, they say, there is not order at the border. then they say, we are not going to do anything to fix the border because it may also help

joe biden politically. so, they're impeaching a guy for chaos at the border. they have the most conservative border security bill ever, according to lindsey graham, according to john phone, according, my gosh, to james lankford, one of the most conservative members in all of the senate, from oklahoma. running the show. again, he's been anti biden since day one. and they say, we are not going to do anything. the house, the cameras in the house say, we are not going to do anything to fix the border. talk about hypocrisy just laid out for everybody to see. i hope those impeachment hearings are televised because they are going to be fun as heck to watch. >> there is chaos. there is a crisis of the border. republicans, democrats get together in the senate side saying, yes, we've identify the problem. here's what we propose to do

about it. the house rejects it because it is so important to them that donald trump would return to the white house, that joe biden doesn't get a win, that they will take the solution that they have been begging for for how long? the other side of this, joe, this would be a shame to let this moment pass. there is a crisis of the border. it's an untenable situation. here is a moment, a rare moment, it comes around like once a decade where you might get something done that both parties could agree on about immigration. it looks like the house is willing to let that opportunity slide in defense of donald trump. >> yeah. white house officials recognize something has to get done at the border. they have changed their tune in recent months. they are willing to go pretty far, to the point where there are some in the biden orbit. they're anxious about how protests will react. they're willing to make the deal. progressives will eventually stay home. jonathan is right. i think he said it very well. he's being very clear eyed about the politics about this.

if republicans wait for trump to come back to office and they have majorities in both houses, democrats make the lives very difficult. make far more concessions in their ruling to right now. this is the best deal they are going to get. the republicans in the senate, you can see that. you can see in the frustration in their faces. again, most republicans in the senate also want to help ukraine. mitch mcconnell, among them. white house years i spoke to after the meeting, they weren't quite is enthusiastic that schumer, trying to spin it, this is the closest we can get to a deal. did you think johnson will eventually have to cape. he will make some sort of agreement. he's going to make some sort of compromise because the blow back will be so hard the other way if he doesn't. joe and mika, this isn't done just yet. we have a government funding shutdown deadline looming tonight that's complicating things further. there's also a snowstorm coming to washington that is going to accelerate the timetable here because there may not be able to have votes tomorrow. just a football analogy, but

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many issues have strained the alliance of convenience between biden and the left, but what has caused the schism between biden and the left cracked wide open is the conflict between israel and hamas. political passion is all on the side of extremism. normal say feels spent, and evading, and this has encouraged former members of the anti trump coalition to gravitate toward other concerns that animate them. an important number of americans who once found trump intolerable have either forgotten how awful he is or have some strange craving for his return. biden is often described as lacking energy, but it is not the president who is exhausted. it is us. >> i wonder, jonathan, jb last wrote in the bulwark that the war donald trump is seen by people, the more they are reminded by donald. i will say, i think the more

they see this donald trump that they haven't seen him for years, and that's for those of us who don't talk about politics for four hours a day, or write about it like 12 hours a day, they are going to see actually a more radical, i'm more exhausted, more tired, more spent donald trump playing the hits from eight years ago. i'm not so sure that is going to age too well. maybe a i'm whistling past the graveyard. i don't think so. but you bring up a great point. really good point about israel hamas war has done to the base of the democratic party. >> right. not just that there is this very paradoxical response that has come out of this crisis, which is that the most pro israel moderates and the most anti-israel left us have all cited that what they want from this is to elect donald trump. right? the left is saying, we need to punish joe biden for supporting israel.

we are going to elect donald trump and we will live with that. a lot of israel hawks in the political center are saying, see, all these left is that hey joe biden, that means we have to elect donald trump to punish them somehow. somehow, people with opposite views are all driving towards the same outcome of donald trump. i think that is symptomatic of this broader phenomenon i'm trying to identify. which is that people are gotten tired of the central imperative of keeping donald trump out of the white house and are sort of marinating in these smaller grievances. >> let's talk about young voters, especially. if you look at tiktok, it is absolutely cluttered with what i consider to be misinformation about the israeli hamas war. i think a lot of progressives may not feel the same way. jonathan, aren't you furiously confident that as we move closer to the election, again, donald trump is saying more and more radical things, that

whether it is tiktok or instagram reels, whether it is x, whatever social media younger voters get their information from, it is actually going to be jam-packed with clips of donald trump saying, i was the one who terminated roe v. wade. i'm the one this. i'm the one, that. talking about vermin and, sort, of all the statements from fascists overtones. >> yeah. yet. i certainly take your point. look, there are ten months to go until the election. i couldn't say that where we are now is where we will be in november. i think we have to be realistic about where we are now. you know, it is not a tight election. trump is winning in the swing states. you know, the last poll i saw in georgia, he was up by, what, eight points in georgia? 5 to 6 points in places like michigan. where we are now is trump winning. so, what i try to do is assess the kind of cultural political moment of what is happening

now. what brought us to this point now. then, you can try to figure out what is going to have to happen between now in november to change that. >> you know who agrees with the concept that president biden has a base problem? president biden's reelection campaign. they're pretty candid, molly. they actually feel pretty good about where they are with the independent and swing voters, which is not usually for an election is thought. you know, this far out. that's usually the contest. to all the points we've just been making, they don't feel all those voters are breaking back to trump. they are worried about turnout and base. young people, voters of color, progressives. what is your read on that? are those people, they're not going to vote for trump, but they might stay home. do you think biden can do enough to turn out again in november, whether a positive message or scaring the crap out of them? >> they are going to need to, right? do you want to have an election's election? they are going to need to fight those voters. i do think that there is an opportunity. look, biden has troubled

student debt. that's a really big issue a lot of people. i think they will be able to get back there to those voters. i think they will get there it is ten months. i would say when you look at turnout,, right if we're going to talk about the ioco cases, right, talk donald trump did really well. 70,000 less people turned out that they did in 2016, right? it is about 100,000 people. voting for him. this is a guy who won on turnout, right, on turning out voters who don't usually turn out. so, i think it is worth thinking, like, this is a guy running on the zeal of the base. if the base is, like, not going to go up because it is snowing in iowa, where usually snows, i think that's worth thinking about. >> yeah, it really is. talking about the base, the zeal of the base, the zeal of the democratic base is mainly progressive. eddie, i'm an old, old line

conservative. yet, i have noted over the past four years on the show, progressives who are usually attacked in the media, mainstream media, sort of having their heads in the clouds, being marxist, this, that, the other, not being realistic. i've noted progressives both in congress and across america show out extraordinary, in extraordinary amount of discipline. hanging tight with joe biden. hanging tight with -- whether it is speaker pelosi or schumer. when the party moved, noticeably to the center. i guess the question is, what i think jonathan's article is so important is, the real question is, will progressives, who have already shown a lot of discipline over the past four years, will they continue that over that next year and deliver

the political death blow to donald trump? >> my gut, joe, is that they will. we will. but there has to be organization. it's not enough to simply put forward policies, right? there has to be organizing on the ground. there has to be a flood of g.o.t. money in some areas where we can turn out young voters and voters of color as it were. internal debates surrounding gaza, the internal debates around student loan forgiveness and a range of progressive policies, that is going to happen. i think this question around, you know, the faith of our democracy, the state of the republic, that moves large. i think the progressive wing of the party understands the stakes and they are going to have to act accordingly. that doesn't come without critique. without trying to push the biden administration in a certain direction and hold it accountable to its promises.

that is to be expected. but i do think we, i, let me speak for me in this moment, i understand the stakes of the moment. >> yeah. jonathan shade, i will and ask you the same. the biden administration had listening sessions inside the white house with the younger workers who had real concerns about israel and gaza. byron wondering, what does joe biden -- what does the biden administration need to do to get the progressive base energized, since that is where the real ground game comes from in november. >> it's a tricky problem. first of all, i think president biden is conducting his foreign policy on foreign policy grounds. he's not conducting his is real policy as an election issue. i think he actually cares about the dream is trying to do what he thinks is best, whether it is right or wrong. second of all -- but analyzing it politically, he's in a vice because to the

extent that he moves closer to what the base, once he moves further from what the center wants. so he's facing demands to move further from the center of public opinion on political ground. i'm not really sure there is a political solution for him, except to the extent that he can actually put this war to rest and get it out of the headlines and get it out of people's heads and get them focusing more on issues where, i think, he has a more solid chance of unifying his coalition. >> we will be right back. will be right back it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention.

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>> and you don't look like a tourist. >> that is a look at the new film, american star, about an assassin named wilson who is on a final mission of his career in the canary islands. when his target is delayed, things go very wrong. you can see american star in theaters or rented at home, starting next friday, january 26th. joining us now, the man who plays wilson, in mick shane. he's also the films executive producer. and, so great to have you here. >> thank you for asking me. i watch the show all the time. this is the one person. >> nice to have you through the screen on the table this time. tell us about this film that has been a long time coming with a director that he worked with previously, got together, came up with the script. not a bad place to shoot a felt, by the way. >> well, he lives there. he lives there. part of the legend of this place, ventura, fierce wind island in the canaries, is this american ship, the american star, which actually disintegrated their fellow is being towed somewhere else, a luxury liner from the 30s. this was the premise for the

metaphor for crumbling apart as a man's life, et cetera. we put to say, he said government operative, not a hired killer. he used to be in the navy. he used to be in the army. a young boy. it's a gift that goes wrong. the first row of men like, that you go, and do the job, you leave instantly. he is forced to stay for bad until. that's where his mistake starts. he needs a few people, get interested in the place. now she's committed his own cardinal sin in a sense. we'll see the movie, it's great. >> there's a good bit of action in here from what i can see. you kick some butt. >> takes a little bit. yeah. from the john wick movies. as a, can i do something to somebody instead of being their smartest getting all there. >> and, you've done so much in your career. what compels you these days to take on a project that is going to consume a year and a half of your life? what has to be there for you to take the job?

>> i don't know. english actors, we don't. we like to work. i like to go from stage, theater, to, the itself is in the way. average with him before didn't undiscovered movie called hollow point with patrick wilson, which we made five years ago. he said, i will work with you again. so why. he came up with this idea. took us four years to get the script together. i did movie called jawbone, produced by mike elliott. showed him the script. we got together. in 22, we had this opportunity to do this window, financial opportunity, as i say. you have the money from another time, otherwise, we're moving it somewhere else. >> go, go. >> yes, so, we made it in that time period of spring 2022. here we are. i mean, it's lovely making an independent film. there's no one over your shoulder. every morning, you go to this hotel. we lived in the hotel that we films. it's one of those european hotels.

you are a bracelet. if you've paid. if you can drink all day or only breakfasts. >> we will see if that comes through on screen. certainly, it seems as though the island itself is a real character in the film. >> it is. >> tell us more about that. >> because it's like he goes there. he's attracted to the place. he has to stay. friday it's like he likes it. he makes the mistake of being involved with somebody who approaches him. unexpected things happen. we have the great french actress -- who came with us in place the girl's mother for a couple of days it was just a civilized place. get up every morning, have breakfast, go to work. when the sun came down, come back with the crew. all get together, have dinner, goodnight. see you in the morning. after five weeks, we all went home. the set of charging around builds in america or british, 17 people looking after your every move in case they think actors are children.

leave the, set where she, going racing going? >> somebody with a headset. >> always. always someone follow you everywhere. >> mr. mission is moving. >> exactly. he's on the move. where is it going? >> we were talking in the break about the wonderful show on hbo. you won a golden globe, nominated for and the. he's got all the praise it deserved, as did you. does that feel like -- not just in your life, but in the media landscape, all of tammy go? when that hbo said, my gosh, tv can be this good. it can be deadwood. it can be the wire. it can be the sopranos. not that there is a great step. now of course, there is. but there is so. much it's so disparate and streaming has changed everything. >> that hbo was the only game in town, in a sense. they had this reputation. there was dead, producing classic materials. we were, luckily enough, to be a part of. it it is 22 years. >> i can believe when i saw it. >> ridiculous. at the time. the wire was --

we came in at a funny time. deadwood was a show that, if you, like a revisionist western, but it's much more than that. it was the strength beginning of america. it's a shame it didn't go on for a longer. you know, the three seasons that we had with the three seasons we had. david milk is a bit of a genius. the director of the pilot. you had a chance to work with all of those fabulous actors. everybody -- really, we all did pretty well together. for the three years it was one of the best periods of my life. work wise. apart from driving up the 401 every day. that was a pain in the butt. everyone has to go through that. >> tell you first stay in the hotel when your should, and getting the, car have to drive anywhere. >> and we will be right back. and we will be right back migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt.

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regarding forbes and valleys 50 over 50 less, which recognized women who have achieved significant success after the age of 50, well after. women are shattering age and gender norms all around the world. last night, we released our third annual 50 over 50 asia-pacific lust. it comes on the heels of our u.s. lust and our europe middle east and africa list, which came out just last week. here to tell us more, editor forbes woman, megan mcgrath, and vice chair of the forbes and know your value, 30 50 some of, hubei abedin, she is an msnbc analyst. maggie, this years honorees come from 14 different countries and territories and work across 20 different sectors. give us an overview of the diverse lust and, also, one of our main college in this group includes a tech entrepreneur who introduced digital maps to india well before google.

who is she? >> that's absolutely right, mika. to start with the overview, thanks to our colleagues in forbes asia, we have uncovered 50 women who are uncovering fashion, finance, science. we have the incoming head of the hong kong stock exchange, bonnie chan. we also have one of our eldest ever listie's, that is 112 year old celine tanaka, she is an environmental advocate and in the. she had it hundred plus in the fall. which came out of hospital, she said she was still planting more trees. elsewhere in india is a and woman you referenced, 67 old burna, she's the ceo of c e in both systems. better known as matt my india. it's like a google maps, but she and her husband cofounded it in 1995. that's a full ten years before anyone knew who google maps or. she started by mapping it is

cities by foot, today, she has tracked more than 6.6 million kilometers of roads. 18 million locations. the company is worth 1.4 billion dollars. it's free to consumers, but it makes its money by licensing its data to its corporate clients. >> impressive. huma, making the list was 96-year-old actress, lisa live. many of us know her from the hit film, crazy rich asians. tell us why she made the list. >> we get, you keep telling us that our runway is long. forget 50. at 96, she has spent five decades in an extraordinary award-winning acting career. as you reference, crazy rich asians, which was a global phenomenon a few years ago. she also appeared at 66 in the joy luck club, i was a teenager when that bomb came out. she didn't start acting until she was 31.

she was so intent on perfecting her crap that she became known as one take lisa. it's an example of -- and i try to do this intentionally, mika. i freak out all of the time. i don't have enough time and people are reminding. we need to keep looking at stories that lisa to be inspired. >> absolutely. maggie, another honoree of the asia-pacific list. 55-year-old austrian singer, kylie manno, who is going through an incredibly -- incredible career. a resurgence. tell that her impact. >> if you have heard the song, and it's been stuck in your head over the last three months, you are well aware of colima noakes impact. she's 55 years old and having a career of resurgence. that song came out over the summer. it hit the uk's radio one play was and she became the first woman over 50 to have a song on that play list. it's her first number one hit in over a decade.

it earned her a grammy nomination in november. also, in the fall, she embarked upon her first ever vegas residency when tickets went on sale in august, they immediately sold out. some, she is hotter than ever. she has said that for as much as this moment means to her, she hopes it means a lot for women who experience age bias themselves and she has said, i think we are in a moment where it is not cool to be ageist. people are over it. mika, i think you, puma, and i would agree with that statement. >> absolutely. let's turn now. i mentioned our third annual cross generational 30 50 summit, which will take place and march, in and around international women's day, which is march 8th. we have already announced some great speakers, including personal finance expert, susie norment, actress, matt ryan. today, we have a few more names that are ready to be announced. cuba, who are they? >> we are very excited.

we've been looking forward to this day, all three of us, and all of our teams at forbes and know your value. the first is, sophie grégoire trudeau. she is an author of mental health and emotional literacy advocate. i think many americans know her in her role as the former unofficial first lady of canada. sophie's story, one of the reasons we are very excited to have her join us as a speaker at the summit is that she has a book coming out the sprinkle, closer together. she has been talking about mental health for the past 20 years, well before it was a sexy topic. certainly in america and around the world. being very honest about her own challenges with eating disorders and anxiety. growing up as a young woman. and she really champions this notion of emotional literacy. that she teaches us that we teach our children math and languages and science growing up. but do we talk to them about how to deal with their emotions and their feelings, when i feel

pain, how can you sit with paint and not be overwhelmed. some of the root causes. she is back tells us that 70% of our mental health challenges start when we are children. and how to address that. the second speaker we are very, very excited -- actually, we are honored to announce our 2024 lifetime achievement award recipient who is ellen johnson's early. every little girl should know who ellen johnson certainly is. she made history the first democratically elected female head of state in africa. one of the reasons she is so important for this year, mika, we are surrounded by conflict globally. she became president after a decades long civil war in her country. she led the country through reconciliation and rehabilitation. she was an extraordinary leader for her country and she was awarded the nobel peace prize

in 2011 for her work. she continues to be a global champion for women around the world, particularly women in africa. we cannot wait to have her join us on stage. in march. >> wow. stick with us, another hour of morning joe: weekend is coming right after a quick break. r a quick break. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr-cm a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? call your cardiologist and ask about attr-cm.

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of morning joe: weekend. here is some of our conversations with news makers that you might have missed this week. nikki haley spoke with reporters yesterday in new hampshire for days ahead of

that state's primary. haley said she is now setting herself squarely on trump. calling primary rival ron desantis quote, invisible. >> he is closer to zero than he is to me. i mean, he's invisible in new hampshire, he's invisible in south carolina. we're focused on trump, that's the key. we were focused on desantis in iowa, we're not alone no longer focused on him. it's trump in new hampshire, and trump in carolina. >> americans aren't stupid to believe what he says. the reality is, who lost the house votes? who lost the senate? who lost the white house? donald trump, donald trump, donald trump. nikki haley will win every single one of those back for us. i've proven that. so he can say whatever he wants. >> nikki haley started calling donald trump yesterday what he is, politically. but what he hates more than anything. a loser. she also, yesterday, said something that most republicans in their bubble don't like to

focus on. that the party has lost the popular vote in presidential elections seven out of eight times. the past seven. think about that. you can go back to 1992, where were you in 1992? think about the, and now move forward from 1992 to 2024. the republican party has won the popular vote in all of that time, in a generation, just one time. clinton wanted it 92, clinton won it and now you six, -- the supreme court voted for bush. bush actually won it in 2004. that's a long time. and obama easily won in 08,

obama easily won in 12, hillary won it by 3 million votes in 16, and that biden won by over 7 million votes. look at that. nikki haley and other republicans need to focus on the fact that they're isolationism, they're all running into a bubble, continues to cost them elections. and she's right. donald trump lost the house, donald trump lost the senate, donald trump lost the white house. the only one term president to do that since herbert hoover. let's go to -- >> that's right. i think that's great. so is ron desantis, he's been saying that as well. >> by the way, ron desantis isn't invisible.

ron desantis is actually -- he showing up on television now, unlike nikki haley. ron desantis, it's interesting. let's bring in jamie, are we because i think -- he is in new hampshire, he saw that every day. when you're in that cold, you really stone cold. you need a shot of vodka. it's interesting. ron desantis, this is just a side note. but ron desantis, there you go, look at that. just pure whiskey. pure kentucky bourbon. the only guy -- i don't know. this is what i like about jay martin. the only guy i know that one he schooled, he drinks old fashions from a styrofoam cup. >> it's okay. >> it's fine. so, i think it's fascinating what's happened. ron desantis hated the media,

attacked the media, corporate media this, corporate media dot. he actually came on our show a couple of times, and i will be honest with you, he dumped himself down so much, to fit him in the trump bubble, and he ran after all of those hot button conservative issues. not conservatives, maga issues, so much that when he came on and talked, really, to be honest with you, i was surprised. i was like, this guy, if he'd run a mainstream republican race, he would still be ahead. but anyway, desantis was asked yesterday -- he said i should've run away from the media. i should have put myself out there. he didn't say like donald trump, but that's what trump did in 16. and something that's worth noting, nikki haley just will not do. she is uncomfortable with --

why uncomfortable? why she's so uncomfortable? >> i think there are questions about trust. i think there is also some self doubt, especially after what happened over the holidays, when she was asked about the civil war. and i just think that she is historically, like a lot of republicans, they prefer more scripted environments, more of a cautious political actor. she's not going to do the john mccain riding around the bus in new hampshire. that's just not who she is. she's not comfortable with that. and i think, joe, those comments today by desantis, -- it's almost like his first therapy session after we -- even though he was technically still in the race. i think it's a great lesson for every future candidate for president. i don't care which party you are in. you've got to do the press

theater before the primary, you've gotta put yourself out there, you've got to take risks, and keep being in the bubble. because the coverage of the preprimary is what shapes the initial state. whether you like it or not, that coverage makes you or breaks you. and i can cite you chopper and verse for the last 20 years, candidates who were sunk by the year before the primary, not the primary itself. and on that list, we can almost certainly have the name of ron desantis. >> ron desantis -- nikki haley doesn't win in new hampshire, nikki haley gets blown out in her home state of south carolina, she's out of the race. then it's a two-person race between desantis and trump. trump gets convicted, and then he's the last man standing. that's their theory of the case. but really two things. first, can i get a full j mart shot for a sec? let me just tell, you were in late january.

this is the shot of the year. really, this is the money shot. >> this is new hampshire. >> when they look back and say what were they doing 87 years ago on morning joe in 2024, this is the money. shop right here. number two, if anybody is still left watching the show -- [laughter] number two, willie, i could not agree with j mart more on this. donald trump. so, we told everybody in 2060, 2015 and 2016, if you're running for a major party, come on our show. we'll will always let you come on our show. people get really angry because donald trump was on our show so much. guess what? that guy would call in. i call in an azzi, he'd call in. we said that he was putin's puppet, he'd call in.

we said he was a menace to democracy, he had call in. we would say that he was after his ku klux klan comments and everything else, he'd call in. and really, the only other takers we've got, and we've been telling other candidates, colin. lindsey graham called in once or twice. and it's just what j mart says. ron desantis, i think, he would've been able to find his candidacy much more if you was out there talking about it himself. and he knows that. but here we have nikki haley again, who i think has finally answered some questions of new hampshire voters, but again, saying it's safe. you can't play it safe and get elected president of united states, unless of course it's covid or you are an incumbent. >> you know who now agrees with your and jameson alsace? ron desantis himself. he was on with you hewitt yesterday, and what sounded almost like a postmortem

interview about what went wrong with your campaign and all that. and he said exactly what you endgame aside, which is i should've gone national from the beginning, he didn't say it this way, but he said what you just said, which is we kind of narrow cost of the beginning, we picked the maga issues and we leaned into that and said i should've gone everywhere anytime, and you, place all the time, to get my message out and to talk to a broader audience than i did. his campaign's not over yet, but it's -- carry that new thinking with him if he runs again in four years. >> we have lots more to talk about. morning joe: weekend returns after a short break. ns after a short break. >> woman: what's my safelite story? i see inspiration right through my glass. so when my windshield cracked, i chose safelite. they replaced the glass and recalibrated my safety system.

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states, and i'm not talking about myself, i'm talking about any president, has to have immunity. because if you take immunity away from the president, it's so important, you will have a president that's not going to be up to do anything. because when he leaves office, the opposing party president, if it's the opposing party, will indict the president for doing something that should

have been good. like obama dropped missiles and it ended up hitting a kindergarten or a school or an apartment house, a lot of people were killed. but, if that's the case, he's gonna end up being indicted when he leaves office. he meant well, the missile went in the wrong direction. and other things. >> and other things. there's so much, willie, wrong with that. >> he is talking about obama? >> first of all, we have to -- we will get to the hitler stuff in a second. let's start though, with the fact that donald trump is not well, we know this. he is looking so old, he shuffling around, and he really does think that barack obama is still president of the united states. he is going through this thing, and then about why he should

have total amino to, total immunity even when he crosses the line. this is the s.e.a.l. team six can assassinate. and by the way, china goldberg, i think it was this morning. she tweeted out this morning, what do trump supporters say, who believe that s.e.a.l. team six can assassinate political rivals, what did they say if someone says, we'll than joe biden could go to seals team six this morning to assassinate donald trump, and he would be immuned by donald trump's arguments. it is pure, sheer authoritarianism and tyranny. so we have that part of it. it's trump that is most dangerous, but also trump at his most a touched from reality. he is really losing at. we've been getting glimpses now of him shuffling around, and

looking lost, and getting up on stage, talking about world war ii. talking about president obama, and here he did it again and said, listen, president obama may have bombed kindergartens, but he was trying to do good things, and when he leaves office, when he leaves office, he could face a conviction. it's crazy. >> donald trump was on stage two nights ago, bragging about how he passed that rudimentary dementia test again. he was very proud of that, really leaning into that. obsessed with barack obama, as always. it's the first name that's top of mind, sometimes it seems like he thinks he's running against brock about, sometimes you just says that allowed. into your deeper point about this immunity question, he's saying, will any president then could prosecute the previous president. first of all, it's the justice department, we've said it 1

million times, that's going after donald trump. it that president breaks laws, if that president attempts a coup against the united states government or takes a nuclear secrets back to his beach club or medals in the georgia election, or is found liable for sexual assault, yeah. that guy might be prosecuted. we like to think that our president wouldn't do any of those things, this is a unique case that donald trump is trying to make a rule to keep himself out of jail. that he says would apply to all other presidents. >> let's bring in eugene robinson. this is again donald trump being detached from reality. again, thinking that world war ii is upon us and he is running against barack, who's saying obama. and we've seen images of him over the past couple of weeks, he's just not doing well, it doesn't seem, physically.

then there's the second part of it, and that is, donald trump, this is donald trump's closing statement. poor sean hannity. poor sean hannity. he is like a dad that gets a baseball, and he puts it on a tee, and he goes come on johnny, hit the tea. and johnny keeps hitting his hand. like, sean hannity has placed more balls on tvs, only to hear barack obama's name come up time and time again. and he, other fox news hosts, have to correct him. no, you're running against joe biden. so let's put that on one side, and on the other side, you've got a former president who republicans look like they're going to nominate, who is saying i really could get s.e.a.l. team six to assassinate my political opponents. and i have to have immunity. that was your closing statement

for the voters. and it's i need total immunity from everything, even when i crossed a line. >> absolutely. it's funny, because i had that same thought about poor sean hannity. and i don't often feel sorry for sean hannity, but i did, because he had just absolutely teen up the ball. and donald trump hits the lamp on the table or whatever it was ridiculous. it's just -- it's like, what more can he do? the thing about donald trump, of course, is that he is pure id in the freudian sense. he just blurt so whatever he's obsessing about, so you know now what's on his mind. and what's on his mind is trying to stay out of jail. you can just tell from these recent appearances how worried he is that he's going to go to jail, he's going to have to pay massive, massive fines in all

of these various cases. who knows how much he will have to pay to e. jean carroll. he is going to have consequences for his actions, not just over his presidency, over his long and -- life. in which he crossed a line all the time. he's all about crossing the line. and he is so worried that he is going to have to go to jail, that this is what he's thinking about more than he's thinking about the campaign. more than he is thinking about anything else. he wants to stay out of jail. >> jonathan, we've said it since 2019. let me say that again. we've been saying this for four years. if donald trump loses in 2020, he will run again. why? only because he wants to stay out of jail. that's the entire purpose of this campaign. we've been saying that for four years. when people are saying, donald trump runs, you really think trump's going to -- yes he is. he loves money, if he can cash

in and make the money, he would. but right now he's only focused on staying out of jail. so of course he's going to run again. here, because trump has lost so many steps. we always talk about how long -- not in a long time. that guy, that i'm watching now, that guy hasn't lost one step. that guy's lost five, six, seven steps. and he still thinks he's running against barack obama. and so he is shuffling around, i seriously think it's going to be harder and harder for the campaign to manage this guy, who, in just my opinion, looks like he's in a serious state of decline and seriously is so confused, he is still thinking about the guy that he started the rtr conspiracy theory about back in 2011.

still on his mind, can't let it go, and doesn't seem to be in a very good state at all. just freaked out about immunity. immunity, even when s.e.a.l. team six kills his political opponents. >> when i was a match a reporter with the new york daily news and cover trump from time to time 15 or 20 years ago, and it's very clear, he is not the same guy he was then. and that post about presidential immunity also had the great trump tell of this era, which is when he goes to all caps. and when he goes to all caps, it's an all caps creek, particularly about his legal predicaments, you know it is a window into how upset and anxious he is. and he was posting overnight repeatedly about e. jean carroll and other, quote, witch hunts, and then yesterday morning, went so far as to say this. do you have that full immunity for even events that cross the line. this is something that feels like not only a scary

projection of what could come in a second trump term, where he says i can do whatever i want, i can't be prosecuted. >> hey jonathan, guess what? first of all, believe him. this will happen if he gets elected again. but jonathan, that's also -- you know, everything he says is either a projection or confections. there is confession when he says, i crossed the line. you've got to give me immunity, i know i've crossed the line. i know that if america's rule of law police out the way it's supposed to be, i'm going to spend the rest of my life in jail. that's what the meltdown is all about. >> i didn't invoke climate snake for fear that he might just show up here. this is production and confession. this is projection of what a second trump term would be like, but it's a confession about what happened in the first are. he said he needs this immunity because he knows he broke the

law, he crossed the line in any number of cases. we're not sure which when he was freaked about right now. and we can't say this enough. he spun last night on fox, he was saying i'm not just asking for total immunity for me, i'm doing it for all presidents. the previous 44 presidents, they didn't need it. none of them had ever faced any criminal charges before. this applies solely to donald trump. >> you don't need immunity if you don't attempt to lead a coup against the united states government, or take classified documents back to your beach club. let's bring in the conversation, nbc news legal analyst andrew weissmann. andrew, let's talk about this question of immunity in the courts. it was just last week that that three judge panel on the federal appeals court sounded very skeptical of the presidents claim, and his attorneys claimed that he deserved full immunity in this federal case about the 2020 election. where does that stand, and based on what we heard in court that day, what do you suspect the judges there have ruled? >> well, i think there's no question that they're going to rule against donald trump, and

i don't think that his recent tweet, to the extent that it comes to their attention, is going to help. in terms of donald trump's strategy of saying something outlandish, it really does not help in terms of the court looking and realizing what they are being asked to do is going to be acted on by this man. so strategically, it is a terrible idea. i think there's no way on god's green earth that this panel is going to find that he is immune from criminal prosecution. that has never been the law, and it's not going to be the law. >> we have lots more to talk about. morning joe: weekend returns after a short break. after a short break. t migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were

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the third day of the defamation damages trial against former president donald trump. although trump is not in court, due to his mother-in-law's funeral, his presence was certainly felt in the form of a video, played for the jury. carol's attorney played the clip from trump's remarks at a press conference on wednesday, attempting to show how the former president continues to defame carol. during cross examination, trump attorney alina habba pressed jean carroll about her current income from her blog, and seems to attribute carols increase in earnings to the quote, theme that she has received because of her connection to trump. >> you mean, fame because she got raped by trump, according to the judge? >> that is so sick. a twist from a female attorney. carol admitted that she is more well-known after writing about the abuse, but added, she is also hated by a lot more people. the former president is expected to be back in court when the trial resumes on

monday, where he may or may not take the stand. first of all, i think you through this trial, you really are reminded what a vile, disgusting person donald trump is. you watch the deposition, with e. jean carroll's attorney, and how vial and disgusting he is in that deposition. what he thinks about women, how he views them as sort of objects, sex toys. literally, sole, unbelievably misogynistic and rude, that you wouldn't have this person at your dinner table, you would not let your kids out this way, you would not let anybody in your life to act this way, and yet it's unbelievable so many people still support him. >> remember, this is just to be specific. this is the position, first of all, where he said that e. jean carroll wasn't his type, and then he attacked e. jean carroll's attorney, saying you're not my type either.

and then he talked about how throughout history, powerful men have been able to do whatever they want, access hollywood style, with women. and he said, then he goes, maybe it's for the good. maybe not, i don't know. but suggesting that sexual assault, if you are powerful, maybe okay. >> i've seen a lot of deposition on morning mika. andrew weissmann, where does this trial go, if he shows up, if he testifies, what do you expect? >> e. jean carroll has not finished putting on her case. so we expect on monday that there will be some more testimony. what happened yesterday is that she finished testifying, she was on cross-examination and then redirect, and there was also an expert talking about reputational damage. that's one aspect of the damages that she is seeking. so she's also seeking punitive

damages, and that's where the clip that you referenced was played, to show that if you're trying to figure out how to make them stop, it's relevant for the jury to have heard that he is continuing to, as eden jean carroll says, to defame her to this day. so there's something very surreal in court about hearing sort of the -- you can barely catch up with the defamation in court. and then we will see next week, early next week, after the plaintive at a jain carroll rust's, whether donald trump takes the stand. it's very hard to see that he will, because remember, this case is only about damages. liability has been found as a matter of law, because donald trump has had his day in court already, and lost. he found that he sexually

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you consider to be a battle for the heart and soul, not only of american politics, but for democracy. talk about your decision to put this front and center in your life. >> thank you, joe. thanks for having me. great to be here from sunny downtown des moines, where it is a toasty minus ten degrees. headed to a frigid minus 40, i don't know whether you've ever experienced that before. i'm not sure you need to, but trust me, it's special. i think this is, as many people have said, as the first lady just said, this is an existential moment for us, for our country. the choice could not be clearer. i have known president biden for 40 years, i think he is one of the most remarkable and decent and passionate and i'm pumped that ick people i've

ever met. and i believe in him, and i believe in the cause here, which is that we are here not just to reelect a great president, but to defend democracy. >> talk about age. as you said before, ages a superpower. this is something mika has said for a long time as, well that joe biden of five, ten, 15 years ago actually -- it was good that he was vice president. he's grown, actually, into a position now where his age actually, joe biden says, is a superpower. mika said the same thing. he's better now that he's a prevent. and it's something that you focused on as well, while everybody is going out, maga extremists are trying to paint him as too old. the fact is, he's actually on

top of his game. you talk to him about foreign policy, so far he's light years ahead of just about anybody else in washington d.c.. >> i couldn't agree with you more, and his knowledge and his experience has served this country incredibly well. particularly when you see the world affairs. of the last months, last year, even. whether his dealing with the middle east, dealing with ukraine, bringing nato together, standing strong for us in our dealings with china, he's come from decades of experience. incredible relationships that he has built, credibility that he has built with world leaders. and let's not forget, in his first two years, he has gotten more accomplished than any other president in modern times. and so to me, this is a privilege to be here, working

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across the country are in washington d.c. this week for the 97 conference -- the event kicked off on wednesday with the mayor's meeting with members of congress and the biden administration. they've been discussing a wide range of issues, including gun violence, immigration, and the rise in hate crime. -- we are expected to meet with president biden at the white house. joining us now, the mayor of kansas city, missouri, democrat clinton luis, and the mayor of oklahoma city, republican david holt. you guys are basically on the front lines of all the issues that played our urban centers. i'll start with you, mayor david holt.

and both of you can take this question. what are the top issues that you hope to present to the president today? >> well, i'm sure we will hear about immigration, and i'm sure obviously that's having an effect on some of our cities. maybe less so, kansas city in oklahoma city, but we're definitely closely monitoring it because it's directly affect a lot of our colleagues. i'm sure we'll talk about public safety, that's often viewed primarily as a local responsibility, but obviously we've always had a strong federal partner there. obviously issues like fentanyl relating to that, we are meeting with the secretary of state this morning to talk about fentanyl, which maybe doesn't appear at first to be as secretary of state issue, but that's where the drugs are coming from, is everywhere else in the world. so lots of issues like that. we run the gamut. homelessness, antisemitism, islamophobia, when you're a mayor, your kind of at the center of everything. >> mayor lucas. >> i would say what is most interesting right now is how many international issues,

whether it be relating to fentanyl, israel, so many other things, are impacting cities now. certainly the politics of america cities. and you're seeing that at that conference. so the -- vice president had the chance to visit with us yesterday, and of course talk to the secretary of state and the president today. you are seeing this somewhat unique overlap of truly global issues and local ones, and it's playing itself out in city halls across the country. >> mayor lucas, certainly in the wake of the height of the pandemic, there's a rise in homelessness across this nation. plaguing many, many big cities. talk to us about how that will be discussed today and what will it be the approach of these mayors. we are at the front lines of this, asking for federal assistance. >> i think you're seeing a few different approaches. first, some mayors like mike johnson in denver and others, are using these truly creative ideas to get everyone off the streets. and so there's a true, how do

we build more housing? how do we once and for all get more support for -- that's a key part of our initiative, and saying it, frankly, we need funding. third to other parts of the homelessness discussion. one is the migration issue, which at its core for mayors, as dusting from our federal partners, is truly a housing issue. we have people come in on our streets, even my city of kansas city, seeing an increase in populations from venezuela and haiti. and third part of it really relates to drug addiction, substance abuse, and many mental health issues people are facing. without addressing all three, we will continue to see the incredible numbers of rising homelessness that we've called around the country. and the one thing i think surprise a lot of people, we all thought after 2020 and 2021 covid you'd see numbers go back down. the world would go back to normal. you're not seeing that with homelessness. you're not seeing that with a lot of down towns in our country, and that something all mayors are facing. >> coming up, we will take a look at a new thriller inspired by the true story behind one of

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>> my business is not yours. >> i'm the one asking the questions. >> i think my daughter is alive. i have to find her. >> -- has something to do with all of this. >> that's not good. sorry, jesus. >> tread very carefully. >> i'm just trying to find my child! >> that was part of the new trailer for the new series, the woman in the wall, which was inspired by the true advance that unfolded in ireland at catholic grand institutions for unwed mothers called magdalena laundries. actress ruth wilson plays -- he was traumatized at one of these institutions as a teenager, after her baby was taken away. she sets out to find her missing daughter, but her

searches to railed when she discovers a dead woman's body in her home. joining us now is actress ruth wilson, who also serves as one of the executive producers of this series. i'm curious, welcome to the show. i'm curious what tree to this and some of the other true events that inspired this series. >> yeah, i mean when i first saw the script, it was a subject that i knew a little bit about because it was like philomena, and there's a film called maggie lyn sisters. but i didn't know the depth of the scale of it, and it was really quite aware of it. and i thought this is a story that still needs to be told. and it's very recent history. i mean, the last mother and baby home closed in 1998. and so it's within my history, it's when i was a 16-year-old kid, if i got pregnant out of what luck, i would've been in one of these homes. so i felt like it's a story that needs to be told. and also what i loved about it is that it was focusing on putting through the lens of genre. turning it to a wider audience.

it's like through horror, and it's their psychological horror, as well as a crime thriller. so we can get this to a wider audience, hopefully, and get people to understand this is a story or sort of become aware of it. so that's what drew me to the project. i thought it was something to be talked about and get out there. >> your catholic. how do you carry, and this portrayal, the cargo of guilt and grief that is so encapsulated in what happens, over a period of years? >> i don't know how i carry it, but i think being a catholic is that i've grown up in that world. i understand it, i understand the strength and power of those churches and that religion. i see the benefits of it, as well. my dad still goes. and help for him it's a ritual, it's a community, it's something that he just loves going to.

so i wanted to study or understand where my own history is as well, and what i've grown up in. there's a sense of like, within this character, that she's someone that's been told that she's wrong. that what she did was wrong. and that she is to blame for her actions. she's put into a home at the age of 16, haven't gotten pregnant. she then is made to forced labor throughout her pregnancy, and then when she gives birth, the baby is taken away from her. she is literally 30 seconds with her child, and the baby is taken away. and she never knows what happens to that child. she was placed into adoption, or worse, died of neglect or illness. and so horrible life is to find this one event. but it's kind of denied by the, church by society. she's almost gaslit, her experiences have been gaslit. so how can you have an identity in that world, how can you really know who you really are, when something so fundamental has happened to you, but people around you are denying you, or

actually blaming you? >> ruth, as you dove into this role, the research, as the production was happening, what's been the response in ireland? this is such a flash point, obviously. what have the people been saying? >> it's been sort of mixed, actually. in terms of like -- i think it's such a sensitive piece of material. it's still very new and raw, i mean, only in 2020 was the public apology to women who went through these institutions. three years ago. so, they're still reconciling. the whole community of island is still reconciling with these -- what they put these women through. so it's very sensitive, it's raw. the survivors of these institutions have been very grateful for the opportunity to have a platform to actually speak about it and talk about it. but some people are still quite defensive about what happened, and so there's a lot of debate. and actually, the greatest thing about this show is we did spark loads of publications and

deep dives into what these institutions were, how they function, what's happening now, stories of the survivors. so that was the biggest thing for us to get the story out and get people talking about it. to allow those women a place to have a platform to talk and speak about their experiences. because it was a thing for it not be acknowledged. swept under the carpet. so that's the biggest positive of the show. >> reporter: and that does it for us this weekend. thank you for spending your sunday morning with us, we are going to be back, live, tomorrow morning at 6 am eastern. are you ready for that, you need to get your sleep. msnbc's the weekend starts right now. >> reporter: good morning, it is sunday, january 21st. i amci