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the move comes after the u.s. embassy issued a security alert highlighting retaliatory gang violence in the area. across the pond, king charles won't carry out royal in the agents for the next month as he continues to recover from prostate surgery. the king will still be available for state matters with queen camilla adding that he is doing well. a chaotic scene out of a children's book as circus s forced closures on an indiana highway after a vehicle fire. police later confirmed all the zebrasnd camels were rescued and contained safely. you knew it was going to happen after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. some sobering headlines, a sobering reality. congresswoman barbara lee of california joins us to talk about that in just a moment. > bid you all a good day from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt rep we begin this hour with the breaking news that three u.s. service members are dead and more than two dozen injured in a drone strike in northeast jordan right near the border with syria.

president joe biden blamed a random-backed militias for the attack. we have a number of correspondents in place covering today's big developments. we begin overseas. matt bradley joins us from jerusalem on these military deaths. walk us through what we know about the attack. we got word about it about three hours or so ago. >> yeah, we got word three hours ago from others. it sounds as though this actually happened last night. we are hearing now that this was a one-way drone. we are hearing from the white house that they are trying to iron out the details of what happened. they are already certain that this was in iran-backed group. while we are hearing the president praising these three serviceman who were killed and the two dozen who were injured, that number might actually go up, this is something that clearly could invite some sort of retaliation from the united states. we've heard from the white

house and the pentagon that they will retaliate or take action. the time and place of their choosing. that will decide the tempo of what goes on from here on out. we've been seeing almost every day, this is about ten days after the october 7th terror attack by hamas which started off the latest round of the conflict. we've been seeing attacks by iran-backed groups in iraq and syria where there are thousands of u.s. troops who have been deployed for years on a mission to fight against the islamic state, also known as i.s.i.s.. now, depending on what happens next, this could escalate even further if the u.s. decides to retaliate in a muscular way. it could invite retaliation again from the iran-backed groups in iraq and syria and from iran itself. we are already hearing from republican lawmakers saying we should be attacking iran directly. this is a very dangerous situation and one that has been percolating for the last several months now. this could break off into a larger region wide war. that's the risk here. it's not just iraq and syria

and jordan. it's also the houthis in yemen. they are also backed by iran. hezbollah in southern lebanon is backed by hezbollah. they've been trading shots with israelis for the past several months ever since the day after those october 7th attacks. that's a big flash point. there is a lot of artillery and rocket fire across the border, another flash point which could break off into a region wide war. they have naval assets in the red sea and mediterranean. this is the kind of situation which has set the region on the very tense footing and one which could envelop the entire middle east. as i have been saying to you in the past, we have been seeing war throughout the region ever since my lifetime, but never before have we seen in this entire region on the precipice of one region wide war and one which wouldn't just involve players within the region like iran, like israel or some of these iranian proxy groups, but also the united states. this is a major entitlement.

the white house and pentagon are saddened by this news but they are not surprised. this is something they have been preparing for because, again, we have been seeing these kind of attack today in, day out for the past several months. how and when they choose to respond, that is the main factor here. alex? >> everything you are saying is incredibly sobering. thank you so much for that, matt. let's go from there to the white house. nbc's allie raffa, we know that the president has had a number of -- he's released a statement as well. >> yeah, alex. we learned from the white house this morning that the president d been briefed by his nationalcuty team about the attack. just the lasthourwe are learninghe h received anotherbrfing. he along with vice president kamala harris have ceived a briefing by their national security team on the latest regarding this attack. i think by the players that were involved in this briefing, according to the white house, that is indicative of how big this moment is, how important

this attack was, and how important the next steps are going to be in how the next steps of the crisis in the middle east will play out, notably in addition to national security adviser jake sullivan, the secretary of state was involved in the briefing. the chairman of the joint ch of staff anda dictor, the director of national intelligence, ong others, we expect those briefings ton continue through the afternoon as we await the presidential return here to the white house fr south carolina where he has beenl weend. as you mentioned, the president issuedemt earlier on news of three u.s. ice members who were killed, additionally injured during president says in statement was a, quote, unmanned aerial drone attack on ou forces stationed northeast jordan near the syria border. he well we are still gathering th of this attack, we it s carried out by radical iran-backed militant groupsoperating into syria and iraq. he cos, saying, we will

carry on their commitment to fight terrorism and have no doubt we will hold all those accountable at a time in manner of our choosing. that is the big question now, alex. when will that happen and how? how will that retaliation take place and away that is retaliatory but also prevents the united states from getting reeled deeper into this conflict in the middle east? that is something that, since the war between israel and hamas started on october 7th, that u.s. officials have repeatedly said they are trying to avoid. that's why we've repeatedly seen the white house take these actions to send more u.s. troops to this area, to send more carrier strike route to the seas around this region to prevent any bad actors from potentially taking advantage of the instability there and widening this conflict, alex. as far as next steps, that's

what we are waiting and watching to see unfold. >> look, matt, it was suggested on the broadcast in the last hour that the next steps to retaliate for this incident would not necessarily have to be military, right? they could be an attack on an energy installation or a cyber attack. do you see that as being possible? this would likely be iran -backed proxies carrying out this attack on u.s. service members. with that kind of retribution, if you will, that action by the united states be effective? hat action by th >> i think that, when it comes to the death of three u.s. service members, that the u.s. is going to be carefully examining options for some sort of military style attack, not something that would be sanctions or cyberattacks. we've now seen a lot of injuries over the past couple of months. it's one of the reasons why i was saying that it would not be

surprising. whether or not they decide to de-escalate and attack in the way that you are describing, in a less military style fashion, i don't know if that is going to appease a lot of those, especially in congress who they have been hearing from, who say they want to attack iran directly. i think a lot of americans, particularly those in the republican party, have been dissatisfied with the biden administration's approach towards iran. they will want to see a more muscular approach toward retribution considering that there have been three american skilled. >> yeah, okay, matt bradley, allie raffa, thank you both for that. joining me right now to continue the conversation, congresswoman barbara lee. she's also running for the open seat in the golden state. it's good to see you. let's start with this sobering breaking news that the three u.s. soldiers were killed in a drone strike in jordan. concerns by you on how this

could escalate the conflict in the middle east? >> yes, alex, nice being with you. let me tell you, my heart is heavy as i learned of the news of these brave soldiers. first, my condolences to their families and to their friends. i am the daughter of a veteran. my dad was in the military, served in world war ii in korea. this is very sad for me. secondly, early on, i said as i said right after the horrific attacks of 9/11 when the congress authorized the use of force, i said this could spiral out of control. i have called for this more to be handled in a way where i believe a cease-fire is absolutely necessary. as we see now, it is spiraling

out of control. it's beginning to emerge as a regional war and, unfortunately, the united states and our troops are in harm's way. i will just say it. if the president is going to consider military action, he's got to come to congress. >> in fact, you said that by letter earlier this week urging him to get off the resin before committing anymore, what you calling, unconstitutional strikes in yemen. apparent, e biden your call.tion has yet to hee yesterday, it said it was acting in sf-fense when it struck anoer houthi anti ship missile. 's a rather unusual group who have signed on to you have republicans marjorie taylor greene, nancy mace, paul gosar as wel as democrat alexandra ocasio-cortez, bush, omar. i'm curious about how this effort came together. do you think the president needs to come to congress before he responds to what we

have just seen, these casualties in jordan? >> i think the president needs to consult congress. if, in fact, this administration is going to take military action, of course, the administration secretary austin will decide what the appropriate response is, but congress has a responsibility and constitutional authority to make sure that we authorize the use of force. however, it is extremely important that we recognize that it could escalate out of control and insert the united states even more so in this war. we have to be very careful when we send our troops into harm's way. so, right now at this moment, the administration is determining which course of action it is going to take. certainly, if it is a military action or a military operation, they certainly should at least

consult with congress so that we know exactly what has taken place and can respond to our constituents. this is really at a point now where it is escalating out of control, alex. >> congresswoman, let's look at congress. do you think congress would act quickly? could lawmakers commit together given the tenor of everything happening on capitol hill to give the president authorization to move quickly? >> i think congress would come together. you saw the letter that those of us who disagreed on most issues, on some issues, we agree. that's congress's role in terms of our constitutional responsibility. it would be a tough debate. we would have to ensure that we protect our troops and protect the fact that we understand that this could embroil of the united states in a broader war. we have to make sure that we

understand that that is what would happen and let the american people know that these are the dangers, these are the costs, these are the consequences before any decision is made. that is a deliberative process that we must go through. it is important that we understand that we are now seeing and witnessing the escalation of a regional war. the united states unfortunately is embroiled in it. >> of crs this all stems from the ongoing conflict in gaza. more than 1000 black pastors are making the moral and political case to president biden to call for a cease-fire as you have. the biden campaign has also become increasingly worried that the president will lose young voters over his stance on the war. today, nbc is exclusively reporting that the biden administration is discussing slowing some weaponry deliveries to israel to pressure netanyahu to scale back this war. t pressureis this a sign for you e

president is responding to this pressure? >> well, he shouldn't do this, alex, but let me just say a cease-fire is absolutely necessary. what is taking place now with the killing of 26,000 civilians, this is catastrophic. it's counterproductive to israel's security. if, in fact, the united states still believes in a two state solution, which we do and that is our policy, netanyahu has already said that he does not believe in a two state solution. we have to get to a political and diplomatic solution where israelis and palestinians can live side by side. the united states, i think, has a duty and responsibility to use its leverage. i think the president is attempting to do that. he has to go further. the only leverage right now at this point that we have is to make sure that we use every tool at our disposal to stop this humanitarian disaster that is taking place and to insist

that we get to a political and diplomatic solution once again. this war that is ongoing and killing so many people is counterproductive to israel's security. we have to find a path to peace and into security for the israelis and palestinians. >> let me move to immigration, which has been top of mind on the hill of this weekend in addition to what we are talking about. senator chris murphy who is leading the border negotiations says they have a deal. here is how senator james land, for the republican negotiator, described it. take a listen. >> this bill focuses on getting us to zero illegal crossings a day. there is no amnesty. it increases the number of border patrol agents and asylum officers. it increases detention beds so we can quickly detain and deport individuals. it ends catch and release. it focuses on additional deportation flights out. it changes the asylum process so people get a fast asylum screening and a higher standard

and then get returned back to their home country. this isn't about letting in 5000 people in a day. >> once again, that's a republican senator. is this they fix that you expected? do you think your republican colleagues in the house will sign on to it? >> well, look at this in terms of emigration. first of, a border security without comprehensive immigration reform just does not work. secondly, the framework that i view any deal would be, one, it has to be humane. to, it has to be orderly. three, and asked to provide for due process. it doesn't sound like this deal that they have put together meets that criteria. also, remember that donald trump doesn't want a deal. speaker johnson said that anything that has brought over 70% of the house is dead on arrival. they want to make sure that they put this administration in

a political position where it appears that the administration does not want to do anything about the border crisis yet, nor immigration reform. they are playing political games. they are using immigrants as pawns. they are using them in a way where they are trying to divide the country and pick people against each other. this administration of the republicans, they are following donald trump's orders in many ways. whatever he says, i am sure that speaker johnson will adhere to it. >> all right, california senate candidate and congresswoman barbara lee. it's good to see you. thank you so much. donald trump making news for what he did not say this weekend. we are back in 60 seconds. weekend. we are back in 60 seconds. we are back in 60 seconds. use it to set and track your goals, big and small... and see how changes you make today... could help put them within reach. from your first big move to retiring poolside -

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since a jury ordered him to pay millions to e. jean carroll. he was in a loss for looking to clinch the republican nomination in nevada. nbc's jay trailer joins me now from las vegas. welcome to you. given that big verdict on friday, we expected some response from a trump last night. tell us what we did and it did not hear. >> alex, that is the correct way to phrase it. what is more telling is what former president donald trump did not say about the $83 million he was ordered to say pay to e. jean carroll for the -- donald trump is known for speaking his mind and not sticking to script or listening to the teleprompter that sits in front of him. over the past couple of weeks on truth social, trump has repeatedly attacked e. jean carroll. on one instance, he attacked her 50 times in a single day. to see him at not really reference the case and issue this form of restraint and self discipline is certainly notable. one time, he loosely referenced the case and immediately

upended to president biden, saying it was a form of election interference. take a listen to that. >> he is a real threat. what they do with me, look at yesterday. look at all of this crap that is going on. we keep marching forward and we just keep going. >> it is worth noting that the president has stuck mainly to criticism of president biden throughout this speech. we saw these new issued criticisms from a president biden. while trump was on, right down the road was kamala harris. she was giving her own campaign speech. in this key swing state of nevada, duly campaign events of sorts, but no talk of e. jean

carroll. >> i was sworn in a few were going to say it. thank you very much, jake trailer. joining me right now, paul butler, former federal prosecutor and expert in public corruption cases, now law professor at georgetown university as well as an msnbc legal analyst. we have donald trump making news today. it is for what he did not say last night. it's e. jean carroll's name now to trump she who shall not be mentioned? >> let's hope so. alex, remember last year the first trial awarded $5 million to miss carroll. how did trump respond? he continued to defame her that same day that the jury handed down the verdict. $83 million seems to have gotten his attention and maybe his compliance. one of the things that trump is worried about is if he continues to lie and insult miss carroll he could be called right back into court for

another trial. the jury told him that time that even $83 million was not enough to shut him up. >> apparently, money talks for him, but he's learning his lesson late because he didn't help his case by posting relentlessly about carroll last week. he had 95 post in five days. the jury found that he acted maliciously out of hatred, ill will, and spite, vindictive lee or out of -- so, trump says he plans to appeal. how significant is that finding, paul? how much weight will it carry in an appeals court? >> i think in all of trump's trials, everyone knows that he's going to appeal for a delay. trump is very careful about protecting the verdict. the bigger question is how soon miss carroll is going to get paid. trump's last financial statements as he gets about $294 million in cash. that did not even include his

real estate assets which he likes to brag are worth billions. at some point, miss carroll is going to get a humongous check. it's going to take a while since trump is appealing. he didn't have to pay the entire amount to miss carroll until he exhausted his appeals. >> youmentioned the cash he has on hand. there is another big ruling which could come by wednesday. judge arthur engoron is expected to release his findings. what are you expecting their, paul? what happens to trump's liquidity if he keeps losing these lawsuits? does he have to put out the money right away? could he sell assets to get the money? how does it work? >> when trump loses a case and he is appealing, he either has to put the entire amount on hold with the courthouse or he can find surety and then he only has to pay about 20% upfront until the appeals are

over. alex, i'm not sure it's going to be all that easy for trump to find a lender. judge engoron is about to saka to him in the civil fraud trial. the biggest question is whether he goes with the $370 million that laetitia james says he defrauded the taxpayers of new york out of or, if engoron goes with the $250, the amount titia james was usually seeking. >> let me ask you quickly about the georgiaelection racketeering trial. trump is joining a motion to disqualify fulton county d.a. fani willis over the claims that she was involved in a romantic relationship with her top prosecutor nathan way. he is also now trying to foment racial bias. how do you interpret what is happening in this case? >> so, alex, under georgia law, a district attorney is

disqualified if she has a personal interest or stay in a defendant's conviction. the defendants in this case have not alleged facts that remotely reach that. even if it's true that d.a. willis and mrs. would have a personal relationship, that is nothing to do with whether trump and his 14 codefendants are guilty of racketeering and election interference. a grand jury found probable cause. the judge has already refused to dismiss the case. four codefendants have already pled guilty. this case should be going forward. there is a question about whether mr. wade will continue to play a role in the case. there is no reason at all for the prosecution to be -- >> okay, thank you for letting us tap at your expertise. appreciate that. what we know about the senate's new border deal next. know about the senate' new border deal next new border deal next

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breaking news, taking a look at president biden who is visiting brooklyn baptist church in western columbia, south carolina, before he returns to washington later today. he is there for a sunday lunch and just a meet and greet, he is expected to make any comments officially. there we can see -- in front of a podium, or a pulpit, frankly. there he is. he is speaking with the south carolinians and potential voters there in the next several days, south carolina democratic primaries. we will keep an eye on. that james clyburn as well. let's listen to him a second. he's got a microphone. >> thank you. by the way, the first time here -- in the white house. [applause] [inaudible]

i want to say thank you to robin. robin and my wife -- [inaudible] good friends. [applause] thank you. and i -- clyburn. [applause] [laughter] [inaudible] -- not a joke, jim clyburn. -- we will win south carolina, he won the primaries -- [applause] by the way, i know talent when i see it, -- you know this guy right here.

>> this very warm reception is going to put some wind in the presidents sales there as he heads out from south carolina and a few minutes and we will be boarding air force one at the south carolina columbia metro airport. -- and the white house for what will be sunday evening, we will keep a lesson and see if he mentions anything about those service members that were killed in jordan by a drone strike in the last 12, 14 hours or so. we will keep listening to that for. you mean time, it is not perfect, but it is done. a bipartisan group of senators says it has a border deal. former president trump is doing what he can to do that deal, regardless of the consequences. it's going to be -- joining us from the capital with the latest. how likely is it that this bill has enough votes to pass if trump is putting pressure on republicans? >> it's all about the numbers

here, alex. democrats hold a very slim majority in the senate, a two seat majority. then we have key players like joe manchin and kristen sinema who often vote with republicans on some of the biggest key legislation of the biden administration. and then over the house, speaker mike johnson saying any sort of border deal will be dead on arrival, but he hasn't seen the text yet. so it is certainly going to be a game of how much pull does donald trump have. tim kaine, the senator from virginia, says it's all about the deal. take a listen. >> this is a painful compromise. this is a tough bill. i wish it were an immigration reform bill and not just a border security bill. but the fentanyl issues a crisis. we've got to dig into the details, but we've got to find a compromise. as was pointed out, this compromise is also key to opening up the security funding that we need for ukraine, humanitarian assistance in gaza, defensive port for israel. all that is hinging upon getting this deal.

>> reporter: as the senator mentioned there, to be clear, this is just a border deal. this has nothing to do with a towards ukraine or money towards israel, or any sort of congressional response to the service members killed in jordan last night, alex. >> good point you've made. thank you so much. donald trump challengers wrapping up their attacks this weekend. secret helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. and hours later, i still smell fresh. secret works! ohhh yesss. ♪♪ rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. but i'm protected with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv

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nikki haley and president biden on the campaign trail. nbc's sarah dean and aaron gilchrist are covering both campaigns for us in south carolina. we will start with you, sarah. i know you know you are in conway. they're what has nikki haley been saying this weekend? >> reporter: yeah, alex, ever since nikki haley has returned to her home state of south carolina after the new hampshire primary, she has been consistently ramping up attacks against former president donald trump. last night, across the state in maudlin, at a rally, she said the former president is, quote, totally unhinged. that was a new line of attack for her. she actually spoke to the audience for about seven minutes right at the top of her remarks, kicking through the different ways that she says the former president has been acting totally unhinged. that included what she called throwing a temper tantrum on the night of the new hampshire primary, that included him threatening her donors online. that is something she engaged directly with this week.

she already fundraised off of, it selling over 100,000 t-shirts with donald trump's language on it. kind of trolling him, if you will. she has been directly engaging with the former president and his attacks on her. something she really steered clear of doing for the bulk of the primary until this became a two-person race, like it is here in south carolina. the one place where she has walked a more careful, finer line on the former president is his legal issues. including the jury deciding earlier this week that he owes over $83 million to writer e. jean carroll. here's how she spoke about that at the rally last night. take a listen. >> maybe this, fair or maybe it is not. i don't know. what i do know is all that time that he is spending in a courtroom defending himself, he is not fighting for the american people. [applause] and what i worry about, for all

of us, it is these court cases are going to go on for another year. and you know who sees that? russia, china, iran, that's who sees it. that's why i'm worried. that's the problem i have. >> reporter: and you hear her there. she is going after the court cases, but more indirectly, painting them as a distraction, painting them as they make america look bad on the world stage, but not really engaging on the specifics. this morning on meet the press with kristen welker, she did say she trusts the jury because they were presented with all the evidence. but on whether this disqualifies the former president, she wouldn't go that far. so you can see her walk a fine airline, a more careful point on these court cases, all the federal indictments that former donald trump is facing. and the likely reason for that is that nikki haley made support from republicans in this primary. she doesn't want to isolate

people that support him, that might think his court cases are unfair. alex? >> sarah dean, it's a loud backdrop you've got. there we will let you turn back to that, which is happening for nikki haley. let's go to you, aaron gilchrist. as you are well aware, the president remains right now at the brooklyn baptist church, he's made a meet and greet stop there on his way back to air force one. south carolina was a game-changer for joe biden in 2020. give us a sense of his message this time around. >> reporter: you are absolutely right. it was a game-changer, alex. today, i think we are seeing the president in his element. you mentioned the fact that he is at a church, the second churches visited here today in columbia. this is at the point where he is sort of on ground level with people, able to look them in the, i know script. you just talking to folks about the issues he thinks they are concerned about. that's what we heard from the president earlier today when he stopped at another church last night, when he spoke at the state party, the democratic party's dinner here in columbia. and really, his message in

these conversations has been that he made promises to the black community in particular, the one in south carolina that helped elevate him for the democratic nomination for years ago, and he kept the promises he made. the president, in speaking last night, talked about some of the things he has tackled during the last three years he's been in office that have been impactful for black communities around the country. he talked about tackling unemployment in the black community. he talked about tackling prescription medication costs as well. and he said those were things that in the black community expected from him and the things he delivered on. he also took the opportunity to go after his likely opponent in the general election, former president donald trump. he called him a loser on more than one occasion in his speech last night. i want you to hear a little bit more what he had to say there. >> trump and his maga friends are determined to take away your freedoms, like the freedom to vote. trump bragged about taking away a woman's right to choose. and now they are hashing a plan

for a national ban, a national ban. i won't let that happen. are you with me? [applause] >> reporter: president biden has said that is what is at stake in this election, freedom and democracy. that is a message he will carry through the rest of the year, as he grows across the country campaigning, trying to earn the votes of americans across the country, alex. >> absolutely. let me tell our viewers that the control booth, our producers were listening to what he was saying there off the cuff, the commentary and speaking to those who've gathered at the brooklyn baptist church, he made no mention of those three u.s. service members. it certainly will be top of mind. he has been briefed on their death in jordan. no doubt he will be getting more briefings on air force one on the way home. aaron gilchrist, thank you so much for. that >> breaking news about new details from a potential hostage deal, next. stage deal, next for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.

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this hostage release deal. >> cia director burns flew to paris. he, along with the head of the mossad, the israeli intelligence agency, where they're along with qatari prime minister and egyptian intelligence official. really, the players who've come together, who've been working on these deals, to try to secure something between israel and hamas were there. the talks were constructive. but a statement from the prime minister's office also just came out this afternoon saying there is still a gap to bridge. >> absolutely. bill burns, he is the cia director. somewhat curious that he would be the one leading these, as you, said with his massage counterpart. there was the prime minister, i believe, of qatar that was part of that as well. what do you make of that, that it was bill burns to have? this you would think, middle east envoy, secretary of state antony blinken, potentially, but bill burns. >> this is going up to the highest levels of our intelligence apparatus. he has really been a doer.

before the last round of successful talks that led to more than 100 hostages being released in november, he was key and crucial. he knows how to negotiate these deals. he really has worked to get things done. there has been this momentum and optimism that with him in the room we can make progress. it remains to be seen when and how and if that will actually happen. initially, hamas was saying they would not come to the table at all, unless a full withdrawal of idf troops had been completed. now we are hearing my colleague kier simmons from a hamas official this morning that there is some flexibility. we will see if that is true. >> what they would want to do, presumably, is at least have a cease-fire for a significant period of time. that would be to allow a humanitarian aid correct to gaza. who would be supplying that eight? >> the aid has been coming. it is really tricky because henri has just been a little bit crippled now.

there are funding from nine countries, including the u.s., has been paused. but trucks have been coming through. but not enough. and so, the people of gaza need a lot more. and that's part of these talks. so that is part of this negotiation. because one of hamas's demands is more aid and more aid immediately. >> i'm curious as to whether or not you think the death of these three u.s. soldiers in jordan, very close to the border of syria there, presumed to be, according to the president, and that and they were drone attacks launched by iran-backed rebels of some sort. they were named specifically. do you think that could hamper at all these kinds of negotiations? could they be related? >> it's a great question. because what happened in jordan on the syrian border just highlights how volatile and

dangerous this region is right now. there is so much percolating on the lebanese border with israel, in syria and jordan, which is really astonishing that this happened within jordanian borders. we have very close ties with jordan. the fact that this came out and in fact the jordanian government put out a statement condemning those attacks. hamas is funded by iran. and militias in syria, including the houthis, are funded by iran. you see iranian aggression percolating. i wouldn't say boiling over, but percolating. and it's very concerning to our national security establishment and really to leaders throughout the region there. >> okay. anna schecter, -- great reporting there as well. thank you. my next guest wrote this article, why she says disinformation poses an unprecedented threat in 2024. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack.

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we were monitoring president biden. there he made an impromptu stop at the brooklyn baptist church on his way to the columbia metro airport, where he will be boarding air force one and heading back to joint base andrews, and ultimately the white house. of course, it was a very serious day. he was campaigning and happy to go to two churches there and south carolina. but there was also the very sobering news of the three u.s. service members who were killed there in jordan, right along the border of syria. the president didn't speak directly to that, but he did, before leaving, very briefly say this is a very rough, a rough substance of what he said, tough day in the middle east, we have lost three brave souls. i'd like to take a moment of silence. the group did so. then he said, and we shall respond. that's all we've heard officially from the president on the death of these three u.s. service members. we will keep a close eye on things. we are very -- even further than he was

already today on board air force one as he heads back t the white house in washington. meantime, we have escalating concerns that disinformation is posing unprecedented threat to american democracy. experts are warning a convergence of developments on aditional and social media, and admitted deep institutional distrust on making the dangerous from propaganda, falsehoods, and conspiracy theories more dire than ever as the presidential election apprch. -- she covers misinformation, extremism, and the internet. we are soglad to have her as part of our nbc news team. in a recent article, brandi, you wrote, we are at -- we are in a perfect storm. that is allowing disinformation to flourish and threaten america american democracy. explain for me the factors responsible for spreading disinformation that could wreak havoc on the presidential election. >> thanks for having me. in terms of this perfect storm,

i called up every researcher, technologist, and political scientist and i know that studies this what's coming the beginning of the 2024 election season, what should we be racing for and are we ready? that answer to that last question is, no, not at all. there's a lot of reasons for. that here is what is making at the perfect storm. the first is really susceptibility. and we've seen because of, let's just say, it former president trump and his allies constant lies, specifically about the election, but also lies that came out of 2020 about the pandemic and other general misinformation, disinformation just flows so strongly in the last couple years. we have a highly susceptible public that is just an empty vessel sort of waiting for misinformation, and will easily believe. it the second part is that there is --

in 2016 and 2020, we really faced this new thing of social media. people on social media sometimes pretending to be people they weren't. i think that now most of the public knows to be wary enough on social media. but now we have something new to be worried about. and that's in the ubiquitous, the ubiquity a bit of a i. and that is because these tools are so easy to use. they are everywhere. we are seeing it a lot right now with you might see a fake scam of elon musk or taylor swift selling you pans on the internet, or telling you to invest in bitcoin. we are seeing it with a lot of scammers. but there is a very good reason to believe that we will see that with regards to the election. that is something to be on the lookout for. >> i'm sorry, give me the last thing. >> the last thing is these lies and this fakery is going to move on platforms that have

abdicated the responsibility. they have flashed their trust and safety teams, they have slashed their moderators. they have fewer people on the lookout for this sort of thing. that is the last thing i'm worried about. >> that's a lot to be worried about. but we saw new hampshire, we saw those robocalls. it sounded just like president biden saying, hey folks, stay home. is that the kind of thing we can expect to be proliferating around this country? >> 100%. you will see fake -- you will see and hear fake robocalls, you will see and hear videos and propaganda for certain political candidates, which don't necessarily even have to come from the campaigns themselves, but come from volunteers that might harass and paint in a false light candidates, their spouses. we've already seen this with donald trump as a volunteer meme team that makes really terrible, awful memes about, again, they did iran desantis

in, their targets for a while, and his wife. we will see that a lot. more when we see people used in this way for propaganda in this way, using a.i. and using all this fakery, what we also see next is an increase level of harassment and abuse lodged at these people. and it's not just the candidates that get this abuse, but it's also election workers. it's journalists, it's regular people. >> you used the word susceptible, people being susceptible to the promotion of a lie. that's the 2020 election being stolen. it's been remarkably effective with republicans. you say they are plenty of media newcomers out there that are more than willing to meet the demand of conspiracy theories. who are these media outlets? what are some examples of the falsehoods they promote? >> you look at a group like the epoch times, which i reported on extensively. they are one of the most popular right-wing sources of

news anywhere. they are very popular. they have never, they still have yet to call the election for joe biden. they still have not accepted those results. so we are seeing that on a national scale, but we have also seen smaller scale efforts, local news has been decimated and continues to be. and where the local papers are no longer alive, what we are seeing is smaller efforts bipartisan political right-wing figures pop up in that respect. those folks have suggested they are more than willing to tout this line that the election was stolen. and that the future election might be as well. >> nbc's brandi -- it is so sobering every time we talk. thank goodness you are doing the job. we appreciate you a lot. that's going to do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i'll be back next saturday and sunday at -- msnbc prime weekend next. ime weekend next