were going to speak about. and they were gravitated to these women before that. they had a mind of their own, that they had dreams and aspirations of their own. i think history has done this weird thing of making it seem as though women now have just started to have agency. as if that wasn't a thing ever before. and so one of the things that i love that the show is doing is highlighting the fact that caretta and betty were women of agency, that really fought side by side with their husbands for the movement, and for their community. >> that does it for us on this sunday edition of morning joe. thanks so much for watching, we will be back right here tomorrow morning at 6 am. msnbc's the weekend starts right now.

>> an overwhelming win in south carolina's democratic primary, one of his opponents, dean phillips, here this. hour and the supreme court finally gets ready to hear oral arguments on whether donald trump is eligible to be on the presidential ballot. grab your coffee, settle in, welcome to the weekend. developing overnight, the united states and the united kingdom say they have conducted strikes against 36 targets across 13 locations in yemen yesterday evening. the strikes, hitting weapon storage facilities, missile systems, and air defense systems used by houthi militants in the

country. a senior administration official tells nbc news these are unrelated to fridays retaliatory strikes in iraq and in syria, saying that the u.s. does not want escalation. these strikes are directly in response to the actions by the iranian-backed houthis. big developments again happening overnight. we are going to talk about all of it in just a moment. we are going to bring on to this set former chief of staff for the cia, and for the department of defense, jeremy bash, while we get jeremy seated, you are a pro, jeremy. you know exactly what this looks like. >> reporter: highly consequential conversation. >> reporter: this is as you walk onset, here's the thing. i think people are trying to understand what they are watching for these new strikes. what they have to do with what is happening in iran. and why now? >> good morning, everybody. this is a great time to be here with you guys, and congrats on

the launch of the new show. look, america is in a proxy war with iran. we don't always call it that, and in some ways, i think the administration is resisting characterizing it that way. >> reporter: when you say proxy war, i'm sorry, for folks who don't know, what is a proxy war? >> it means we are engaged in a conflict against iran where iran is supporting a number of terrorist organizations, a number of militant groups that are hitting us, killing our service members, attacking our allies, currently hamas is holding six americans hostage in gaza. those six americans do not get a lot of media coverage. so you've got iran, and some of the organizations that it is backing going against u.s. interest in a big, lethal way, and we are striking back. president biden over the weekend authorized military strikes against several targets in syria, and in iraq. last night, as you referenced, the united states military u.s. central command conducted strikes against the houthi

group in yemen, which is one of the iranian-backed groups. and obviously, we're supporting our ally, israel, with weapons, with intelligence, without violence. and there are forces are in the region. so this is a military conflict between the united states and iran. it is not full blown war, it is not normandy invasion, it is not world war ii, it is not ground troops. but it is a proxy war. >> reporter: the idea that it's a proxy war begs the questions that these recent strikes versus the strikes that have taken place before, the narrative out there that this is unrelated, well, really, it's related. because if the proxy war idea is real, and i believe it is. i've always looked at it that way. because anything in this region is interconnected. so this idea that this one event is separate from the other just does not make sense in the context. so how does the administration

explain that this is not related. but the underlying evidence suggests that it is, given the idea of a proxy war. >> look, michael. the biden administration does not want and seek a wider conflict with iran. and president biden has said that. when he issued his statement announcing the operations this past weekend against the iranian -backed groups he said these are iranian targets, we're going after ronny, interrogatories striking inside of iraq. we do not seek a wider conflict. secretary lloyd austin, when he went to the microphones on friday, he said we don't seek, it but we will defend our interests. we have a lot of capability to do so. and likewise, as we support israel, as secretary blinken launches on a diplomatic offensive to try to help end that war, and help our ally beat hamas, and degree hamas because, of course, hamas opposes a two- state solution. hamas opposes peace. as we do all these things, there is one through line.

that through line is that iran is trying to play the role of spoiler. let's remember the context. before october 7th, there was a three way deal that was in the works between united states, israel, and saudi arabia. this was going to be the piece to end all piece, because it was going to be the ultimate reconciliation between jews and arabs, between the government and jerusalem, and the custodian of the holy places, the realization of arab israeli peace. building on the abraham accords, building on the 1979 peace treaty between egypt and israel, building on the 1994 peace treaty between jordan israel. . >> reporter: they have unleashed a massive campaign to try interrupt this. >> reporter: you know, you talk about the underlying thing happening here in the background is in fact the war that has broken out between

israel and hamas, and you talked about the six american hostages that are still being held hostage by hamas and gaza. and proud to october 7th, there was going to be peace in the middle east for lack of a better term. now, iran is meddling in that. but it's also, there are forces inside the israeli government, the wall street journal that had an interview today, and we will put it on the screen, the israeli firebrand driving netanyahu further to the right. and i just wonder what you think about the fact, and this is an interview with ben-gvir. this is his first western interview that he did with the western outlet since october 7th. i also believe things come into power. this gentleman made a name for himself as a conservative, firebrand, for folks at home, it's like the people you see going here every day. and then ascending to the highest ranks of power. and he had some very choice things to say in this interview

. >> reporter: and perhaps equally interesting is the opposition leader saying, i would tell netanyahu to get control of his people, but he lacks control. >> reporter: yes. so what effect do the far-right components within the israeli government have on just the ability to quell the conflict from spreading? because the united states, they do not want a wider conflict. we hear it, but you get comments like these coming out of the government in israel. >> reporter: >> a great question, some on. i was a ben-gvir is not just firebrand, it is too charitable. he's an extremist, he's a racist, he's actually advocated ethnic cleansing. so he is way out of the mainstream, he's a french player. but in the way the israeli political system works, he has influence. because netanyahu's government coalition is so narrow, so he has to make common cause with some of these extremist

elements. and israel's democracy, there are no two ways about it. so, for better or for worst, netanyahu's took to his right and left and figure out how he can stay in power. that's what democratically elected leaders do all the time. that's what our leaders do. so he's looking at his coalition partners and he saying, how do i buy them off a little bit without obviously going all the way, and i do think it is a complicated. but i do think, ultimately, in israel, there is a consensus that number one is the hostages have to be freed. number two is hamas has to be degraded. if we just go back to october 6th, if you will, when there was a cease-fire. that is not a day that he is really wants to live again. and third is that, they don't want a water war. again, the long sweep of where israel has been is that, through peace agreements, through the abraham accords. israel's economy has been incredibly strong. they've been the tech envy of the middle east.

maybe even, in some cases, of the world. they have had a lot of prosperity. and what the prosperity has come lots of security. october 7th, in some respects, shattered a lot of that. and israel has gone back a little bit. they've been traumatized. they've gone back into that bunker, that siege mentality that characterized the early years of the israeli government and the israeli state. >> reporter: i want to go back to the u.s. saudi arabia's ruin acts. that's unique moment in the middle east process. so you've got these three players that have created, i, think a very important alliance in terms of moving piece forward in the middle east. is their way working through that access to isolate iran a little bit more than we have, having the arab world sort of been in a little bit more with the israelis, as part of this emerging access with the u.s., of course, being the glue the

kind of holds it all together? >> definitely. i think what they've said all along is that they've said they're gonna continue to engage in diplomacy, and they want to see this three way deal between saudi arabia, israel, in the united states completed. by the way, part of this deal would be that the united states would give some security guarantees to saudi arabia. for everybody says, that's a horrible idea, saudi arabia's not talk, received a cater, ship and so forth. yes, but also, with on war sadat in 1979 made peace with israel, and made a historic outraged israel, the united states, what did we deal? we give support egypt. and that's been part of the peace in the middle east. we did the same to jordan. we supported the king of jordan. so security guarantees are part of the glue, it's part of the way the united states exerts its influence in the region. and we get a lot of benefit from that. so again, i've heard that the saudis want to continue the deal. i know the israelis want to

continue. it i think secretary blinken off this weekend to this diplomatic tour of the region. i think he wants to continue the steal. part of it is going to be what the future of the palestinian state is though, obviously. because, to the extent of the palestinians believe that they are being left behind by the subway deal, that in some ways is fueled hamas, and it has fueled support for what hamas has been doing. >> reporter: jeremy, help me understand something about these retaliatory strikes, which means they're not happening inside iran. they're happening in iraq. they're happening in syria. we are often told that iran has some measure of control, varying levels of control over these proxy groups. how then to these retaliatory strikes actually work? if iran does not have full control over all of these groups, and then to simply asking iran to pull it back, are we asking them to pull back funding? what is the actual mechanism by which they are operating with these proxy groups? >> a great question. i would say they've some

control, but not total control. iran gives weapons, they give intelligence, they give advice, they sent their people out to support and train these organizations. but to some extent, the houthis have their agenda, hezbollah has their agenda, in some of the surrogate proxy groups could have their own agenda. but i think essentially what we're saying is, yes, to some degree, they are independent. but they all get their basic bread buttered by the ayatollah interior on. and if we can convince the iranians to withdraw their support for those groups and to turn off the spigot of that support and to say, look, we're not going to fund and support violence and war against united states, our allies and partners. and that is our ultimate objective. we have to change iran's calculus. what are we doing with deterrence? trying to change the mindset of a decision maker, i'm a curio mindset of a decision-maker in tehran? very hard to do. you cannot do it overnight. it will take a long time.

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>> reporter: was is about their lens that makes a few different? >> they feel the democrats aren't doing enough. >> i want to represent. and about the democratic party. >> everybody got a lot to say, where they talking to? >> reporter: has america made good on its promise to blackmon? >> reporter: >> this is not just campaign. this is more of a mission. we cannot, we cannot lose this campaign for the good of the country. and i mean that from the bottom of my heart. it is not about me. because it is well beyond me. it goes about the country. and i think that everybody knows it. and i think people know it's

beginning to dawn on them. >> reporter: that was president biden's campaign headquarters in delaware yesterday, and that was just before his landslide victory in the democratic primary. in this primary, he secured all of the states 55 delegates, and joining us now to discuss a little bit more is the national co-chair for the 2020 election and biden harris campaign, mitchell andrew. he's the former adviser to president biden, and former white house infrastructure coordinator, and the former mayor of new orleans. so i'd like to referred him as the mayor, okay. my mother raised me right. mayor, it is good to see you. we are happy to have you and hope to have you at the table with a soon. let's talk south carolina. much was made about what to glean from these results in the lead up to last night. obviously, the president came out victorious. what is the campaign message now going into what is frankly basically a general election?

>> first of all, great to see you live. first of, all i would say couple things. first of, all donald trump is a danger to the future of america. he is an existential threat. he wakes every day thinking about himself, he's already told us that a future presidency would be about revenge, his retribution. joe biden gets of every day thinking about how to help american people, and how to really bring home winds for everybody. you saw that in a massive way. not only in south carolina, but the day before. the president on the international stage is protecting and defending americas interests in a powerful way. and he did that south carolina yesterday. he made a promise to the african american community, who he has acknowledged since the presidency but he would be in south carolina, put south carolina first. and the people of south carolina showed up in a big way. what else can you say about 96%? i don't want to gloss over this as if it's a little thing. it's a major win for the president, and in the clips

showed, the president said something yesterday. i was actually with him in delaware. and it was quite poignant, when he reminded us that this campaign is really bigger than him. it is not just about him. it's about saving democracy. i think the american people are beginning to wake up to this fact understanding how critically important it is. and i would just recall for everybody, the only person that is ever beat donald trump is joe biden. he did it once, and he is absolutely going to do it again. >> reporter: we want to push on the idea that this was a big win . but there are a lot of cracks that lie beneath this win for the president in terms of more broadly, abby american people are viewing his presidency, viewing his handling of various affairs. how does the campaign take the very good win from something like this and push forward, and really make the case that, if the other guy is donald trump,

this is where you need to be, right. and why aren't americans getting that? what is happening that seemingly , there is this disconnect between the biden administration, the biden campaign, and the narrative around donald trump with the american people. >> i think the way would push back on that, michael, is this. that the general elections just getting started. we are going to have the longest nine-month, most intense knockdown, drag out fight that we have seen in this country and this country deserves so we can protect our democracy going forward. as people key in, you'll begin to notice that in the last week, the president is actually leading in three national polls. people are really starting to wake up to the fact that this is the donald trump joe biden rematch, and the one thing that we have the donald trump does not have, never has, and never will have is the receipts. so when the president came into office, he came in the midst of covid, he got shots in arms, we

pass forward the largest pieces of domestic legislation that have created over 15 million jobs. just to stop here, donald trump created negative 2.5, the worst job record since hoover, the lowest unemployment rate we've had under 4% in a long time, wages are going up. people are going back to work. we have 30,000 infrastructure projects. roads, bridges, airports, waterways, and airports that are being put to get people back to work. getting let out of the water for people back in the country, giving everybody high-speed internet. we are giving that case to the american people. and there is going to be demonstrated success there, we're going to continue do, that will work hard, because we will fight for every vote. but i have every confidence that when the choice is between joe biden, and donald trump, whether it's between the future, or the past, whether it's between lifting our people are pushing them down, joe biden will continue to be the president of the united states. >> reporter: andrew, we heard something this week that we rarely hear. someone admitting that they were wrong. i want you to take a listen to

larry kudlow talking about his once predictions for this economy. >> mayor coppola, i was wrong of the slowdown in the recession. so is the entire forecasting. >> reporter: i don't think you are wrong. >> the feds, everyone was wrong . we >> reporter: he was, wrong and that seems particularly relevant, because you have this new movie analytics report coming out saying questions from who the next president will be on the margin, political factors, they favor trump's candidacy, while economic factors favor biden. i wonder if that is how you are looking at inside the campaign? >> alicia, let me just say this. first of all, larry, thank you for saying that. i wish more people would step up to the plate. and it really is a response to michael's previous questions. one of the reasons why people have doubters because, for the last, year every major economist basically put their foot on joe biden's head and said what he is doing is wrong. we're gonna have a recession, we're not gonna economic growth. there is no way that you have a

soft landing. and of course the president has proved everybody wrong. we have the strongest economy in the world. we know the prices are still high. that's why the president is fighting with pharmaceutical in just trees to lower prescription costs. that's why he made sure he put a cap on the matter wanted people to pay for the prescriptions to get the cost of insulin down. that's why he's fighting those fights every day. it's absolutely true that it has been a huge amount of hand rating and bed-wetting that has turned out to be completely wrong. not just a little bit wrong. and i think joe biden's going to be proven right, and i think that, as i have said, this is going to lead to his reelection. because this is literally about saving our democracy, and then lifting up everybody from the bottom up in the middle up so that everybody is involved in this great, american dream, because diversity is our strength. our indivisibility is our strength. joe biden understands that. he is in the moment, and i think he's going to do much better than everybody has expected him to do. >> reporter: mayor, obviously, not a shocker that i was with the campaign the last time joe

biden was on the ballot for presidential. and one of the things that i am knowing that we did last time that i've not seen it being employed this time is bringing together some of these coalitions. the biden coalition is a very specific. it is based democratic voters, it's independent voters, and it's moderate publicans. but much has been made about how a lot of some of these fractions of based democratic voters feel. and under that base, the progressives, and i'm in traditional progressive organizations, also some of these newer, younger groups, like your indivisible's and so on and so forth. how is the campaign engaging those folks? because we talk about all the time here at the table. the streets are chatty, and it is -- the whole coalition is going to be needed if joe bowdoin is going to be successful. >> one hunted percent. i wasn't misses single pins barbershop, the oldest african american barbershop in south

carolina, getting tightened up a little bit. and his son was cutting my hair. and he was talking a little bit about, well, you know. i'm not really convinced, can you talk to me a little bit more about it. when i got into it for a minute, and explain it to him, he said, oh, i didn't understand that as much as i should've. and you know this. a campaign is like a duck on water. everything looks calm up top, but done on the bottom, you are paddling like hell. and all these coalitions have to put together. they need to be paid attention to and paid respect. they are always going to be really difficult issues that we need to deal with. and this campaign clearly understands that. as you get closer into election day, remember, we're nine months out. we are fully aware of the fact that we have to bring our coalition together. which by the way, from campaign to campaign change, you might also notice the other day a poll that i thought was really important. the gender gap between the biden camp and the trump camp is widening in a massive way. this is easy to understand, because president trump has been hostile to win in his entire life, and of course, on the

issue of choice, where they supreme court has reversed row and give in states like texas and ohio, particularly the ability to authorize sheriffs deputies to go into people's houses into actually search their toilets for miscarriages. that is an unbelievable set of circumstances that nobody thought would exist in united states of america. so you get a little bit here, you get a little bit there. at the end of the day, it is 50 plus one. and you get back to work. >> reporter: all right. y'all, is the mayor gave to come to the table soon? >> reporter: i think. so >> reporter: you heard it here first. >> if y'all will have me. >> reporter: we have more questions. you have biscuits, i'm from the south, you guys have biscuits, grits. >> okay. >> reporter: thank you very much. mitchell landrieu. coming, up. volkswagen continue the conversations. rheumatoid to congressman dean phillips about his presidential run after last nights south carolina democratic primary. stay with, us you are watching the weekend.

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>> reporter: welcome back to the weekend. what we have here is a split screen. you've got, as we noted in the beginning, jeremy bash, this big, international pierre event that are going, on and driving narratives there. and as discussed with the mayor landrieu, big political events with the campaign. how does the biden team get the american people on the campaign with those same works. you touched on the number of very, particularly the, and important points. you guys, it's inside the house. you've got to deal with what's inside the house. but you also have the street. >> reporter: i would later into that we are now seeing with capitol hill, speaker johnson saying he wants to advance and israel stand-alone funding. [inaudible]

>> reporter: it's crazy. >> reporter: so that's an external noise that means nothing. because you know it's not going anywhere. there is no move on capitol hill to isolate israel, but again, it is one more narrative. and it all comes back to what folks think about what this administration is doing on these issues, and how that is reflected in polling. again, i just, for the record, don't put a lot of stock. >> reporter: i don't think we should put a lot of stock natural polling at all. >> reporter: until when? >> reporter: national polling, or state based pulse. >> reporter: national polling. >> reporter: i never put a lot of stock in national polling. i will say, anytime nbc news puts out a poll, it is a gold standard. okay? but i think, in general, if you really want a snapshot for labor day, look at the state polling. people go to vote state-by- state. they are going, you go to that, you look at what's happening

with georgia. having key districts in michigan. so that's why i really like the state based polling. because it gives you a snapshot of how voters in the state are feeling. >> reporter: and you get a sense of how voters feel about the individual issues also. because they desegregate a lot more the national pollings. they just want to put on the pile, and make it seem like it is all equal, when it is really, not for the voters. and the states where you break it down. but as much noted, you've got a nine month runway. how to the advanced that runway? >> reporter: can you speak, chairman? nine months. if we're having this same conversation about the relations among the democratic party apparatus in august, september, i would say that is a pants on fire moment. so it is really more like, oh, i did to my bat this morning, my coffee is still -- by four months. there's still time. and i would just say, joe biden won south carolina last night. he put out the statement that

noted in 2020, the south carolina voters are the ones that breathe new life into his campaign, defy the polls, the pendants. and similar to, in 2024, the people of south carolina have spoken again. i just wonder if this is going to change the narrative. the pundits are pundit taping, if you will. and we also have dean phillips coming up next, who is still in this race. i made the point that we are in a general election, but i think maybe dean phillips might have something to say about that. >> reporter: up next, one of president biden's primary opponents, as someone just mentioned, congressman dean phillips, who sits on the foreign affairs committee who will talk about the south carolina primary in his path forward. you are watching the weekend. migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt.

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presidential candidate dean phillips took his lumps in good spirits. congratulating joe biden, on quote, a good, old-fashioned, whooping. minnesota congressman dean phillips is with us now. he's a member of the house foreign affairs committee. welcome. >> great to be with you. >> reporter: so can we do start with a tweet, because the people did not like the tweet. and i read it as hugh congratulating president biden on whooping you, but i think people read it as using a joe biden got what. what would like to say that? >> welcome to twitter world. who got worked last night, i did. my rear end is sore, and of course, i'm congratulated president. i predicted he would get 95%, he got 96%. i don't know how you can misread that tweet, by the way. if you look at the numbers, one person, actually spot with pretty good. i hope i created up. >> reporter: so how do you -- when you look at that whooping, how do you look at your campaign? and how should voters look at

your campaign going into the next series and states. what is being served here? because you've got an incumbent president, who's pulling 96% of the vote in a very important state like south carolina, we'll pull a significant number of votes in subsequent states. so what is your path and what does it look like at this point? and why the full measure of what you're doing? >> i appreciate, it michael. it's a mission of principle. i know tradition dictates that you always predict the incumbent. but i democrat who wants to win. and yes, he is dominating in the democratic primary so far, i get. it but look, at not the national numbers as you referenced, look at the state numbers. look at the lowest approval numbers in history. know that jimmy carter was a 50% in january of 1980, joe biden is at 38%. you look at the battlegrounds, all seven of them. i'm just trying to wake up our party. we are the progressive party. we should be moving forward.

i see the writing on the wall. let me just say one thing. remember how you felt the morning after the election in 2016 versus the election after the 2008 election? i want to focus on the 2008 election. let's bring some energy, and get energized. 4% turnout south carolina. yes, it was a whopping. but my goodness, people are apathetic. they are staying home, they don't care. we've got a wake people up. i'm trying to inspire a party right now, and a coronation, in my estimation, is the worst way to invite. we need invitation, not confrontation. we're not gonna win unless we start opening our hearts and minds to this whole country. >> reporter: congressman, i hear you. the campaign strategist in me is like, wow. and we set the table, we talk a lot about the republican primary that has been waged, and how the candidates have just been unwilling to compete in this. it's, like area they're trying to win? and you say it's a campaign of principle. if you cannot win, i worked for

senator sanders in 2015 2016. i like to say i've been where you've been, a little bit. and a lot of the arguments that we would make about how senator sanders would do in a general election, it was a moot point. because if you cannot win a democratic primary, you can't get to a general election, what do you say to the fact that, yes, new hampshire, which came out 19%, but the democratic primary in south carolina is a test of how, primarily, black voters puro button issue. and you cannot be the democratic nominee without black voters. so black voters, they did not come out and say, we're interested in dean phillips. so what is your path? because coming up next is nevada, you are not going to nevada, you set your sights on michigan. you're not on the ballot. but nevada is next. so i don't understand. >> first of, all i think i 5% name right now in the country. no voters know me, in fact, this is my first invitation to your network in four months. and i'm grateful, to all of, you sincerely. i mean that. that's my whole point. the gop has had a competition.

they're on tv, they're consuming hundreds of hours of primetime television, debates, a town halls, cnn has given every gop candidate, a one hour town hall. and there's energy, we don't get energy losses competition. it's when you coordinate someone, especially men like joe biden, quite respect, by the way. i hope you know i respect joe biden. but his stage in life, he is not inspiring, we have no competition, were absent on the airwaves, people don't turn out, you saw the rating. we saw a party that should have sputum petition to introduce a new generation of leaders. and by the, way when i came into congress in 2019, i wanted hakeem jeffries to run right away. we've gotta start elevating a young generation. we are suppressing, voters, candidates and debate. we are not inspiring. it is time to wake people up. someone had to do it, and in that respect, i'm winning. i'm gonna keep going. >> reporter: the chairman in me says, what the hell are you

doing? and why are you doing it? because the reality of it is, the party had a chance in 2016, and in 2020 to make a different choice. they did not choose hillary, and in 2020, they had joe biden standing in front of them, and along with in array of other democratic candidates, including the current vice president, and the party said no . because what makes you think after that, an incumbent president, joe biden's not going anywhere. he's not stepping down. up it's a matter of opinion, but individually cycle choice. and the process of making their choice to stay in the game, 97% of that 4% that turned out voted for him. so the question becomes, in reality, are you creating a

drain in the process, prolonging the narratives around his age, prolonging the narratives around other things that people are distracted by what joe biden, when the real threat is the man across the aisle, in donald trump. and the polling shows that, at the end of the day, donald trump is going to lose relevant

as it relates to this questioned. >> reporter: yes, there is an enthusiasm for the president. and some of what the congressman said is correct, we said, the people that like choice. to those people i say, yes. but now is not the time. i would like to be a size six, okay, but that means that to go to the gym. that means i have to not eat oreos at night. that means i probably have to not have sugar in my coffee. you've got to make a choice, i got to meet the choice early at

six. i can't wake up and be a six by june. >> reporter: that's the thing. that's why i tried to make the point about the difference between 2008, 2016, and now. our electorate has changed dramatically in that very, very short span of time. and it is not the same race, and it is frustrating to listen to a lot of pundits and candidates out here running this race for the president as if it's the same old same. it is not. and i think that 55,000 makes a difference. >> reporter: well, y'all, another hour of the weekend a straight ahead. we have defense department secretary deputy press secretary sabrina singh, congressman pat ryan, and mark eli us. they will all be joining us at the table. so stick with, us grab your coffee. you are watching the weekend. from breaking your momentum. you may have already been vaccinated against the flu,

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