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we'll be back here, tomorrow night, at eight pm eastern. stay right where you are because there is much more news coming up on msnbc. >> what happens at the supreme court this week could be the beginning of the end for donald trump and one historic way. plus, a report from behind the curtain, trump's conviction scenario. what does that mean? a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news. right now, around back houthi rebels vowing the latest american strikes will not go unanswered or unpunished. 36 targets struck, 13 locations, carried out by the united states and great britain with support from other countries. nbc news with this exclusive video of the attack from the uss eisenhower and the red sea. national security adviser, jake sullivan, emphasizing the strikes are not over yet.
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>> it began with the strikes on friday night, that is not the end of it. we intend to take conditional strikes, and additional action to continue to send a clear message that the united states will respond when forces are attacked, when people are killed. >> the white house also insisting that the latest attacks are unrelated to friday's actions against iranian-backed sites and both iraq and syria. coming up, i'll be talking with congressman, roe ka'ena, about his reaction to the strikes and the instability overall in the middle east. first let's go to our nbc news correspondent who are gathering the latest information from overseas and the pentagon for us. we'll start with simmons interrupted the border with iran. over to you. >> hey there, good day to you. the latest round of strikes were the largest yet to target the houthi rebels in yemen. that iranian-backed militia that has been targeted conversion shipping in the red sea and the gulf of aden. nbc news has exclusive video from our team on board the uss
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dwight d. eisenhower. the u.s., uk, they're saying that they have hit 36 houthi targets, launching more than two dozen aircraft from the eisenhower. some carrying 2000 pound bombs and side winder air to air missiles. this is the only broadcast journalist on board the ship. >> despite the continued strikes by the u.s. and the strikes by british military, the houthi rebels remain defiant. it also is important to point out, defense officials tell us that these strikes that the u.s. has been carrying out, are not part of the overall mission here called operation prosperity guardian, to defend against to the attack. the u.s. navy, on this aircraft carrier, they stand on high alert. they are ready to continue to target those -- if they continue to threaten shipping in this region. >> officials insist that this operation targeting yemen is separate from friday night's
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operation targeting militia here in iran and syria. that may be part to protect the involved in that yemen operation. we are waiting for an assessment from the pentagon of the damage done by their operation on friday night. local reports say that the numbers are in the double figures. we spoke to the spokesperson for one militia group here in the a market resistance. they will carry on fighting, they told us, addressing the united states, thanks for helping us fight i.s.i.s.. now it's time for you to leave. the ports say, no, iranians were killed in that operation on friday night. perhaps underscoring that it was-limited in nature. meanwhile, secretary blinken today is heading to the region to try to push forward with peace talks, and the analysts say that the only way to de- escalate in this region is a cease-fire in gaza. i'm >> okay, thank you so much for that. we're going to turn now to nbc news national security and
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global affairs reporter, dan de luce. dan, welcome. what are we hearing from the pentagon about what comes next, and how important is this international coalition when it comes to taking down the houthis arsenal of weapons? >> the pentagon,, alex is noting what comes next, other than making clear, as jake sullivan did in that clip, the national security advisor saying that there will be more actions on the way. this is not over. i think they're looking at what damage they did over the past couple of days, and they're also, of course, gathering intelligence trying to find new opportunities to make sure that continue to inflict damage both on those houthi forces that have been wreaking havoc on international shipping, and those iranian-backed proxies on the ground in iraq and syria. they were blamed for killing those three u.s. troops last sunday. you ask about the international element of all of this, that's important. the administration was criticized by some for not going after these houthi forces
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earlier as these attacks are commercial shipping increase over the past few months. you're one of the reasons as they were building an international coalition, including the uk, that's one arab governments, which was very close to the saudis, to try to send a message that really the whole international community was not going to tolerate commercial ship pain being disrupted. being targeted, being attacked, by incessant drone and missile launches by those houthis that are, of course, armed and trained at finance byron. no i don't think we're at all, i don't think this is over. as you, know we are going to keep on that uss as in-house carrier. the checks continue tomorrow. there is another attempt to go after a ship missile. all this, alex, there are serious risks involved here. the more this goes on. the houthis or not to be underestimated. those anti ship missiles are pretty serious.
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it only takes seconds to really have to respond, a split second decisions have to be made on those american warships to defend against those missiles. >> 100%, what's bad timing. not let me ask you why you think jake sullivan, in the pentagon, you had the same yesterday, are taking note of the operation against the houthi rebels, what they're doing launching and the red sea, and that in retaliation for the death of the three u.s. soldiers. >> it gets a little complicated when you hear these descriptions because common sense will tell you, obviously, all these things are-limited, all of the started with the hamas attack on israel. hamas of course being backed by iran as well. then all of these iranian forces started to step up those forces across the middle east. they are all related. i think the pentagon and
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administration are trying to make the distinction because they have this international coalition that is involved in trying to protect shipping routes in the red sea. those governments don't want to be associated with u.s. retaliatory airstrikes in iraq that have come against those iranian-backed militias in iraq and syria so it's partly diplomacy, there are also legal reasons in terms of congress, and off the rising force. the longer this will go on, there will be call for lawmakers to have the president go to congress and get approval with the white house. the white house is not at all inclined to do that at the moment. >> well if there is something that does sound complicated, you did a great job of explaining that to us. thank you so much, we'll see you again. joining me now from tel aviv, israel, is nbc's matt bradley. welcome. as you're well aware, secretary of state, antony blinken, returning to the region today for several high-level meetings. where do you cease-fire and hostage release negotiations stand right now?
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>> the that's a great question, alex. we could be hearing an answer from hamas in just the next couple of hours, or we might not. according to the wall street journal, there are divisions within hamas that make it complicated for them to give a unified answer to what was hashed out last week and paris, bible burns. the cia chief, his counterparts in israel, egypt, and the prime minister of qatar, but there are also complications on this and not. the caveat here, the most white ring cabinet in history still hasn't decided on the terms. there's supposed to meet tonight, it sounds like an anticipation, and they might be hearing from hamas, or they might not. we've also heard from jake sullivan. he's a national security adviser. you just heard from him a moment ago. he was speaking directly about these negotiations. here's what he said. >> ultimately, the question of whether those hostages will be released comes down to the negotiation imam israel and hamas, backed by egypt, qatar,
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and the united states. we believe that the steps that we took on friday, and the subs we took against the houthis last night are not connected to the hostage negotiations. we will continue to press the houthis and egyptians to try to generate a positive effect that so that all these hostages, including the american hostages, get home to their families. >> and, you know, when he says that the strikes against iran- backed groups, iraq, syria, and now in yemen, they're not connected to the hostages, in those negotiations, he's right. but, the reverse is more true. the hostage negotiations, the war in the gaza strip, it is connected to those fights in those places, with those groups. each of those groups, and other groups throughout the region, whether hezbollah and lebanon, and will continue through, they're back in november, and hamas itself. these are a part of these access of resistance. each of the, except for hamas, which is the sharp end of this offensive, have said that they will stop their harassment,
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their offensive against u.s. and israeli targets, if and when israeli stop their assault on the gaza strip. they are very connected. that is one of the things that the u.s. is going to be looking at, and diplomats around the world are looking at. you mentioned blinken making the strip here. he will be visiting the fifth time, the middle east, here in israel. places like egypt and saudi arabia as well. those are countries that have a lot of sympathy for palestinian cause. they really are quite angry at the united states for its position on israel, especially the populations within those countries. they, the governments there, they see iran as the primary threat, increasingly. they have ever since the arab spring back in 2011. they are aligning themselves with the united states. this is all part of the biden administration effort to realign the middle east from rebirth that from the ashes of october 7th. alex. >> question to something that you said, given your vast
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experience there, if past is prologue, when you say that they indicate, or have said that they will stop their attacks if the israeli attack on gaza stops not, do you believe when they say that, that they will actually follow through >> know that's a tough one to answer. i don't like to make predictions about this part of the world because a ten to always be wrong. i'm going to pass on this one, but i will say that this is their stated goal. there was not this routine harassment and violence before october 7th. in, fact there have been earlier, we had seen iran- backed groups and iraq and syria attacking the u.s. targets. israel has regularly taken shots against iranian, the irgc in syria, particularly. this latest offensive, this is acting in concert of this axis of resistance. this is novel. it started after october 7th.
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it has increased in tempo. it is a very, very large offensive. the houthis have not been filing, in particular, against international shipping before october 7th. there is a distinct difference between what's happened after october 7th, and what's going on before. we know that october 7th made a difference, whether or not they'll stop, whether or not they'll be true to their word, i can't say. >> okay, matt bradley, appreciate what you did say. thank you. the american people deserve to know. that is what the pentagon's deputy seth press secretary told me. we're going to explain what she meant. then last california congresswoman about what she thinks. we'll be back in 60 seconds. whe thinks. we'll be back in 60 seconds. all of the liquid. bsos and locking it right on in! you feel no wetness. - oh my gosh! - totally absorbed! i got to get some always discreet!
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>> we have knowledge of tensions are high in the region but we don't necessarily agree that we're in a wider regional conflict. again, we've seen attacks on our forces in both iraq and syria are prior to october 17th. we had attacks on our forces
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earlier in 2023. so i think it's important to remember, this is nothing new. yes, we have seen an increase in cadence from these-backed groups, and their attacks on our forces. we've seen this before. we don't seek a wider conflict, we don't seek war with iran. >> sabrina saying, the press secretary at the pentagon, talking to be about implications in the u.s. military action in the middle east. joining me now, california congressman, row khanna he is a member of the house oversight and reform committee. always great to see you, my friend. so, sabrina singh told me she does not agree that the u.s. is in a wider regional conflict, but my colleague, nbc's curagao mends, told me those in the region believes they are in a regional war. what's your assessment? >> well we need to make a distinction between the strikes that are conducted in iran and syria, that the president took appropriate action, and service members were killed. this is happened before, the
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united states has responded to make sure that our service members are never targeted, and the strikes on the houthis, which i do think is escalatory. it hasn't helped map the commercial lines open. the president needs to come [inaudible] >> so, do you at all fear these retaliatory strikes could lead to a direct conflict, or a wider type of regional conflict with iran? >> i give the president and his team credit and that the strikes so far have been proportional, targeted, they have not done what's some of the republican senators have said, man i actually think the president's here has shown good restraint. of course, in similar to [inaudible] insofar, i think he has done an appropriate thing. he has to take some action.
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we have service members killed in this action that i think is escalatory. >> to that point, since the strikes are in response to the loss of the three american military personnel, should an appropriate response necessarily strike targets that include iranian military personnel? is that it all a goal? >> well, there i do think that if we extend beyond these targets, and in iraq, syria, and actually in iran, we really risk and other middle east war. i certainly think the president would need to come to congress for something like that. i also don't think the american people want us to get into war with iran. which is why the president and his team, give him credit for being forceful, decisive. they could make it absolutely clear that you cannot kill american service members without consequences. matt by not escalating the situation with iran, not
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getting us into another middle east war. >> will some of your republican colleagues, i'm sure that you know, they say the biden administration should not have, quote, telegraphed its intentions. they should have waited so long to respond militarily. here's what sabrina singh told me about that. >> may think the american people deserve to know what our strategy is and how we're going to hold people accountable. again, we didn't get into details, we didn't get into specific timeline. we said we would hold these forces, these groups accountable. this is at a time in place of our choosing. we left it at that. that is exactly what you saw last night. >> do you think the administration telegraphed its intentions, and did they do it for a reason beyond just the american people deserve to know? >> no, i think the president has been very clear that if you strike american troops, in iraq, in syria, the united states is going to respond. we responded before. before october 7th, when our troops are, struck or killed, of course we're going to take
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decisive action. what is irresponsible is some of the rhetoric from republican senators saying those start a war in iran. the irony is that the person who is not saying that is donald trump, because he knows that the american people don't want another war in the middle east. i think the president here should be applauded for making decisive action, but not escalating with iran. >> how much do you think these increased threats, and the attacks against u.s. forces in the region have subsided? some sort of a cease-fire agreement was reached between israel and hamas. >> matt while i certainly think it would help de-escalate the tension in the region, it would help de-escalate the tensions in the red sea with commercial shipping. we need, in my view, a permanent cease-fire with the middle east holding hostages. the president needs to continue to push that case. that, ultimately, is what's going to reduce the violence of the region, and ultimately will
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delay, and are in, just in short it's secure. >> you are one of those leaders of a bipartisan group of more than a couple dozen lawmakers who sent that letter to president biden last week saying that he must seek authorization from congress before launching further strikes and yemen. does that reply to the retaliatory strikes in iraq and syria? if not, will it apply and any point? >> i don't think it applies to action taken within iraq and syria, where -- our troops have been taking action to defend those troops, to prevent further violence against our troops. that is opening up a new theater of conflict, which is what we're doing with the houthis, where we're striking in yemen, one of the poorest countries. it hasn't been effective. the president himself there has said that the shipping lines, midday our should come to congress, they should listen to
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the uae allies. they were -- with yemen for seven years. they realized it wasn't working. they're having a cease-fire with the release of all hostages, what william burns and blinken are working on. that is the best way to de- escalate and keep to meet ions open. >> do you mean -- our allies have consulted with them in the region? as you spoke of, in that war seven years. >> i know they have. i know they're staying in touch with these it you i.e.. i know the saudis and uae's are cautioning them, and that militarily they agree against the houthis. it was a seven-year war that the saudis have realized that need to have in yemen. and so my hope is, while the administration is taking decisive action, particularly concerning our three service members we lost, and a parallel
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track, there will be very impressively, a permanent cease- fire and the release of all hostages. that, ultimately, is what's going to bring peace, it's going to lower tensions, and what i believe the majority of the american people want. >> okay. let's pivot here to the border situation, and speak of mike johnson's statement that a border deal from this would be doa in the house. here's what he told my colleague, christian walker, i meet the press today. take a listen. >> the reason the presidency is in peril, as you're opening monologue stated, is because this is an abject failure of leadership. the american people are done with us. the border has to be secured. the president has the authority right now. he doesn't need another act of congress. he can do it right now. he is unwilling to do it. >> give me a sense of how critical the border situation is, and can the president do more if speaker johnson refuses to advance the senate bill, or will republicans block him from doing so if it's not and their political self interest to
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allow him any potential success there? >> now the president needs the resources. he's been begging congress. he says give me the money, give me the money for more judges and immigration attorneys so that we can process these asylum claims and were not overrun. congress on the democratic side is willing to give those resources, speaker johnson isn't willing to bring that kind of bill up to congress. that is a shame that the republicans are playing more politics with the situation. >> all right, california congressman, roll khanna, thank you for joining me today. appreciate it. it's the kind of breaking news has not really breaking if you already know it's going to happen, right? we're going to tell you about some not-so-breaking breaking news. plus, president joe biden heading to a place where he is expected to make more breaking not-so-breaking news. stay tuned. me not-so-breaking news. stay tuned. me everyday, more dog people are deciding it's time
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>> president biden cruise to victory. the first official win in south carolina. the president won by a landslide, getting 96% of the vote yesterday. he will now grab all of the states 55 delegates. carolina brought a key victory in 2020, and now brings in one step closer to the 2024 election. biden beat challengers congressman dean phillips, and author marianne williamson. but, biden's win comes as the abc's new poll is out today. it shows new challenges for the president. it finds biden 20 points behind trump on who would better handle the economy. it also shows trump narrowly leading by the general election matchup. joining me now is nbc's mike madly from las vegas, where the president will be later on today. that means this is practically his shadow. he will be there, my friend. what has been the reaction for the biden camp to south carolina, and are their concerns about this new polling i just mentioned >> now while, alex, i'll tell you what has become the
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unofficial motto of the biden 2024 campaign. it's that polls don't vote, voters vote. when you see these troubling indicators for the president in our new poll, especially that number about the economy, the biden campaign suitably points to the results, not just in south carolina last night, which they say shows a resounding vote of enthusiasm for the president in his candidacy, but the fact that there have been election after election. whether it's the 20 22 midterms, those off-air elections, the special elections where democrats keep winning in these races, despite the fact that the president's approval ratings are low. let's not to say that the biden campaign is downplaying that there are issues they need to address with voters, but they say that is precisely why they have a campaign. they have to execute on the plan. but we've seen since donald trump has emerged as the likely republican nominee with those victories in iowa new hampshire, the president himself is raising the stakes, and sharpening his rhetoric. we heard that woody talk to the campaign headquarters yesterday. let's to his remarks.
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>> this is not just a campaign. this is a mission. we cannot, we cannot, we cannot lose this campaign not. i mean up in the bottom of my heart. is not about me, because it's well beyond me. it goes about the country. and i think that everybody know, sets and i think that there is beginning to dawn on people. >> one of the interesting things that i've been hearing from the biden campaign in light of south carolina last night as what did we learn four years ago with the south carolina primary. you never count out joe biden, he's been constantly counted out throughout his political career, despite the fact that we do see some poll numbers that democrats are nervous about, they say he is a long time to write the ship and to win in november. >> okay, by the way, about an hour and a half or so from now, the president will be heading to las vegas, but that's primary tuesday, or delegates at stake mike. are we going to declare breaking news early tuesday evening with the president won the democratic primary there?
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>> so what little suspense, alex, there was last night in the south carolina primary, there's even -- one of the main challenges, dean phillips, he didn't even get on the ballot here. he announced his candidacy while after, i should say, the filing deadline here close enough at. american williamson is on the ballot. otherwise, we should see a strong vote of support for the president. this is all part of that new primary calendar. the reason democrats have had aligned the calendar this, why south carolina, first nevada next, is because they want to prioritize diverse coalitions of voters. and to begin their messaging to this diverse coalition, so we've seen the president spending a lot of time talking to black voters in south carolina, we're going to see him talking to latino, voters and aapi voters, and loeffler's here in nevada as well. >> mike mentally, they're just about the las vegas strip it looks like. thank you so much. the fate of donald trump could rest in what is said in front of the supreme court on thursday. you're going to want to hear why that is the case, in but is expected to be said. and is it possible that the fbi
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>> this week, former president, donald trump, will face a high stakes legal balance over the most significant, far-reaching cases on thursday. the supreme court will begin hearing oral arguments on whether trump can be removed from the 2024 ballot in november, using the insurrection clause of the u.s. constitution. here's what trump said earlier today about his mounting legal battles. >> you've got 91 counts, felony counts against. you've got four indictments, you could be in trial this, year and you could get -- do you think about that? >> no. it's all about courage. you have to have courage for the country. i would, if i had, run or if i was in fifth place, i wouldn't have any indictment, i wouldn't have any problem. >> joining me now is former
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u.s. attorney and nbc legal analyst, barbara mcquade. national politics reporter, axios sofia k. welcome to you both. barbara, what are you expecting to hear on thursday, and how quickly might the supreme court decide this? >> i think it's going to be an absolutely fascinating argument. not only because the stakes are incredibly high, they could decide whether donald trump is on the ballot and run for president, but also there is so many different legal issues at work here. the president and officer of the united states, was there an insurrection, to donald trump engage in this? this is a question for the political branches to decide. all of these issues are going to be on the table. i think that these are hard issues, an interesting issues. how quickly? i hope they decide this issue quickly. so many states are depending on an answer here. i know the secretary of my own state of michigan has said, whatever you decide, do it fast. so to give clarity to election
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officials and voters who are engaging in primary elections right now, it is the essential that people know the answer to this question. >> you make a good point, it's logistics as, well absolutely. sophia, also happening on thursday is that nevada gop congress says. you write, this trump advisers and the nevada gop fear the turnover the caucus says might not even match the 50,000 voters that have already voted early in the state run primary. soviet, what are you hearing? what are you learning? >> yeah, i think it's really confusing. like you said, more than 50,000 republican nevadans have already voted early in the primary. the concern is that number, the total will be much larger than the caucus were trump's participating. that is the only context for his name is on the ballot. he is not in the primary. for months, the trump team has
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been trying to educate voters in nevada that if you want to vote for trump, you have to come out in the caucus. but it is not clear how all that's working. we also know that they have been concerned about the ground organization down there. they were concerned and upset about their state, their own state director who was kind of in charge of this. she advocated for the campaign to participate in the caucus system. now, it is really a chaotic situation where you already have voters who have been calling in and wondering why that can't vote for donald trump in the primary. >> interesting. let me get to you, barbara, about the march 4th trial start date in the d.c. election interference case. that is now officially delayed. what is the impact to trump, having the new york hush money case scheduled to go first? >> i don't know that there will be a significant impact. there are people who think up that new york basis as though the significance of all the
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other cases. i think that is probably because is unlikely to include any significant prison time. the stakes in that case, and the charges in that case, they're very serious. they revolve around not just illegal business practices, but an effort to really defraud the voters before the 2016 election by paying hush money at a time when the accessed hollywood tape was very much in the news. i think this one is perilous to donald trump. perhaps not as perilous as the election interference case, for the mar-a-lago documents case which could bring with them some significant prison time. and you think some serious damage to his reputation nonetheless. >> let's move to the mar-a-lago documents case since you brought it up. this is new abc news reporting that special counsel jack smith is questioning several witnesses about two rooms, a closet, and a so-called hidden roam inside of trump's residence in mar-a-lago. he thinks that the fbi missed, and didn't check while searching the estate in august 2022. sources familiar with the matter has told nbc news that.
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we should note that nbc news has not yet independently come from these details. it's also unclear whether trump ever even kept any classified documents in the spaces. abc's reporting refers to one of these spaces as a so-called hidden room. we have not confirmed what that kind of space might be, but having put that all out there, what do you make of this latest development? >> i think it's a real oversight by the fbi. their search warrant was reviewed again. they authorize the search, every room and search -- except those that were utilized only by third parties, those who had their own spaces there. so, this was a botch, the reporting is that they found the closets, the key they had didn't work. so they simply moved on. that was a real mistake by the fbi. they did not look. that whether they wanted to avoid angry donald trump is beside the point. this is about national security and retrieving those documents. the fact that there was a hidden room. if it's, hidden i can
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understand why perhaps they couldn't see it with the naked eye. but it had access to the secret service. they should have retain plans for the secret service to identify all the places that they should have searched. i think there's a real gaffe by the fbi. it's not too light, and can go back and search it right now, with the search warrant. i think they should. >> let me get to something, and, that's another piece you wrote with your colleague sort of referencing what donald trump was asked in that interview today. he says he's not worried about being convicted, but your article suggest something else. what's that about? >> yeah, i think that behind the scenes, they are prepared for the scenario where he becomes the first presidents in history to become convicted of a crime like that. you, know what we know is that he is very cognizant of these legal issues that he has to contend with. every, you know, every minute, every day that nikki haley remains at the race, that is more resources that he has to
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expand on finding nikki haley in the primary. that includes the fact that she still remains in the race until south carolina. i think that's when -- he realizes he wants to get to the general as fast as possible. you also has to deal with these legal battles, and the possible conviction. that is a reality that is very real to him. he talks about that pretty frequently. with his advisors behind closed doors. >> sophia cayenne, barbara mcquade, ladies, thank you so much. it is a brutal new ad delivered by the biden campaign, using republicans to take down donald trump where it aired, also a surprise. aired, also a surprise. and reduced flare-ups. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur.
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>> we have this breaking news. the white house today saying that it is planning further action against iran-backed military groups after launching dozens of strikes in response to the death of three american soldiers. just a short time ago, national security adviser, jake sullivan, appeared on the sunday talk shows to discuss what is next. to address the critics, as well as defend the administration's actions. >> what you saw on friday night, in the streets of iraq and syria, it was the beginning at the end of our response. the bottom line, as we have hit what we wanted to hit, when we wanted to hit. yes, there are some armchair quarterbacking going on because it is political season, but we are also very confident in the steps we have taken, in response. . >> let's bring in don calloway, democratic strategist and
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founder of the national voter protection action fund, and susan del percio, and former you -- and the nbc political, analyst you guys, in total, are my sunday family. here we go, don. what is your assessment of the presidents response in the middle east, and how might it play on the american psyche? how do you think it's being received by voters? >> you, know this is very difficult. foreign policy defense matters is not my space. i'm going to try to keep my comments limited to political space. it is a fundamental counter point to the coach manual talking point on democrats be soft in terms of militarism. i don't think it's entirely satiate's the left to right now, who is looking for biden to come out strong on a cease- fire and what's going on in israel and palestine. it is certainly a flag to that middle of the road voter to say that biden will respond, and will respond definitively when
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american soldiers are killed abroad. that said, there are still those on the left to our pacifists, there's still those on the left to don't like to see us go into these things unilaterally, even when it's a response to american soldiers being killed. i cannot see that this weakens the biden campaign at all. that, said on the other, hand is still not a substitute for action on palestine. >> folks on the left and you're referring to, john, do they offer any suggestion that you've heard of on how to respond to the killing of american soldiers? >> no. and i shouldn't have laughed but, of course we don't offer solutions. the goal is to offer criticism. that's why we're critics, right? unfortunately, there is no real militarized solution that they offer. >> okay. we do, the president is facing a barrage of criticism from the right as well for his handling of the strikes. let's take a listen to what some republican lawmakers had to say about this this morning. here it is. we >> should not be appeasing iran. that's what the biden administration has been doing for the last three years. we are projecting weakness on the world stage.
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our american troops are in harm's way. if the goal is to deter or wrong, your feeling miserably. people are not afraid of us. this idea of hitting hundreds of targets, that doesn't matter -- >> when they keep saying they want to retaliate, but then they say it's about deterrence. they say it's about diminishing capabilities. those are all different grows and objectives. they're not doing any of them. >> i want to point out for you, david, none of those soundbites included some who specifically said that we shed hits them in iran. this republican response overall, does it surprise you, david? >> no, nothing will be good enough, for them and they are often acted in bad faith. lindsey graham's comments, nothing will be good enough for lindsey graham outside of going to war with iran. what we have seen the biden administration do is take the prudent and necessary actions on the world stage to protect our u.s., national security interest, as well as the security interest of our
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allies. it is not a conflict that the u.s. asked for. there were three u.s. service members who were killed. they are still hostages that are being held in gaza. the u.s. does not have the luxury of not involving themselves and protecting our security interests, and those of our allies. that is the reality of a sober presidency, compared to the hyperbole you often hear from capitol hill. >> do you think the responses from some republicans, susan, are irresponsible? and a time like, this is it important for americans to take a unified approach to things and show support for the presidents, for the military? >> well, that's what it was when i started out and politics, that's what it's been for the last, you know, before donald trump came on board saying it took them -- to criticize your president while he's overseas, for example. the, rubber politics ends at the water's edge. i think that the issue for joe biden's team is that they need
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to get clear on the massive jane. david talked about two of the three issues that are all being kind of looked into one. one is that hamas is having american hostages. two is our service members being killed. three service members. the third is the international coalition that is trying to keep, you know, attacked these for what they're doing to trade on the red sea. for those shipping's hangers to get through. it is very difficult to try to explain all three, so i think the best the administration can do is say that we are leading with strength. this is what we're doing. people don't know the nuances, and they just want to feel, at the end of the, day those three soldiers that we have taken action because of that. i'm >> okay, let's get to the issue of strength as reflected in numbers. there is a new nbc polls that says that president biden's approval has dropped to a record low of 37%, don. how much of this is related to
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the public's feelings about what's happening in the middle east? how concerned should the biden campaign be? when >> i think quite a bit of it is related to israel and palestine, and what's happening over there in gaza right now. i think you're losing significant segments of the left to not necessarily apathy or i won't vote for trump, but there are some significant disappointments. i will say, approval rating does not translate to who people will vote for nine months from now. there are significant to stay in on the progressive left of the lock-up a strong call for a cease-fire, or a definitive call for that. we see biden closer towards, that more so than october 7th. it is getting easier because those voices are mounting on the left. i would suggest that's a lot of disapproval rating your seen as because of palestine, and because of ongoing inaction on mass cancellation of student loans. he has notched down some ditches of student loans here and there, but it hasn't been the broad swath that we've expected from the progressive left.
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again, approval rating is by no means translate to an early voter poll in november. >> let's just, say that's not for his lack of trying. he certainly has done his very best to try to wipe a student at. to your point, little bets. from president biden, though, you -- taking on trump at his home turf. let's take a look at what biden posted on trump's truth social. here it is. >> if he is off the teleprompter, he can barely keep a cogent thought. >> we are an institute, a powerful death penalty, we will put this on. >> i think he's declining. >> i stumbled and bumbled perfectly. i do speak along complex sentences. i have a lot of material on each sentence. since you are defeated bylaw four, brad you have i.d.'d by a loaf of bread. >> have you noticed he's a little confuse these days? >> a person close to trump actually says that he's rattled by biden's efforts to get under his skin finn >> kind of thought i was watching an snl skit there. given all the talk of biden's
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age, david, and critics calling his mental fitness into question, is this strategy brilliant, or is it risky? >> when it's risky. look, it's fun and it's cheeky, and it shows that biden's plane offense and is ramping up. all the other elements of his campaign are ramping up as well. this race has to be about ideology, and it contrast ideology. i think that's where joe biden has to make up ground. the poll that came out is a terrible, rotten, no good for joe biden. there is no good news other than it's february, and it's not october. he is upside down in the economy on this foreign policy on crime. even on democracy and protecting democracy, it's a push, it's a tie. the one area where you start to see ideology really emerge in his favor is on reproductive freedom. and the post jobs landscape. he has to lead and to ideology, and make this a contrast. there is time. voters will begin to pay attention in august, september, even into october, and on the
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issues, joe biden can prevail. >> quickly, susan, you wrote about this for msnbc.com, saying this is a good move for nikki haley to, do it but what about biden them? >> biden, i'm surprised that his campaign did. i love the ad. i think it's fantastic. i just think it probably should've come from a third party like a super pac. to david's point, the biden campaign needs to keep president biden looking presidential, doing presidential things, and that he does have all his faculties about him. that's what he's concerned about america's problems. nikki haley doing it is a different type of tactic because she is trying to basically keep her donor base happy, saying, look, i will attack donald, trump i will go after him, and for her, it's a little bit of a twofer, because it also goes after the current price a president at his age. >> don, susan, david, good to see you. all see you next week. thanks it is the title of a movie, maybe someone's favor, movie but today it's said those details are life-threatening. that's next.
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