confirms all six people in a helicopter crash in california's mojave desert have died. among them, herbert wiig way, the ceo of nigeria's largest bank. witnesses report wintry conditions at the time of the crash. the reward to find the man who shot and killed a sheriff's deputy in tennessee is up to $100,000. police say kenneth the heart shot two deputies during a traffic stop, killing one of them. they say he is considered armed and extremely dangerous. today, britain's king charles made his first public appearance since announcing he has cancer, attending church with queen camilla. he released a statement expressing heartfelt thanks for the messages of support. in moments, the new request from colorado to the supreme court, why attorneys won a decision about the ballots today. >> reporter: very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news from capitol hill. just minutes ago, the senate

moved one step closer to passing a and 95 billion dollar aid package for ukraine, israel, and taiwan. the senate voted a very decisive a 67 to 27 to advance the spending bill and defiance of donald trump who has been telling senators all weekend no. the bill is not a done deal yet. leaders have not reached an agreement on the border amendments that republicans have been demanding. a word on the final passage is expected sometime this week. also new today, house republicans are preparing for a second impeachment vote on tuesday after the first one against homeland security chief alejandro mayorkas failed last week. today, the dhs secretary called the vote and the allegations against him distracting and baseless. a new wrinkle today in the colorado case -- colorado wants a supreme court to make the final decision today about whether donald trump can be removed from its ballot. there is no sign that is likely to happen. during our 1:00 hour,

california secretary of state gianna griswold weighed in on why they want to bump up the deadline. >> ultimately, colorado needs to know whether a vote for donald trump will count. americans need to know whether the supreme court is going to allow an insurrectionist to become president again. >> new reaction today from congresswoman jasmine crockett to donald trump's remarks that he would support -- which didn't contribute enough to defense spending. >> we are talking about someone that literally may start world war iii. it's just that deep. for everyone that thinks that they are now an expert in foreign policy, i need you to look up what happens when we don't do what we are supposed to do for our nato countries. >> we have a number of reports on all of those developing stories with lots of new information in this last hour to. we're going to begin with julia gesture joining us from capitol hill. what more can you tell us on the vote that just wrapped up? are the sanders still on the

floor, in fact? >> well, alex, we just wrapped up the voting portion for today, we think, with the key procedural hurdle for the national security supplement bill passing with the 67 yes votes. that meant that more republicans are voting to advance this bill as we get closer and closer to final passage. we know of at least one senator mullin who previously voted no but now voted yes. we also have a bit of a wild card in senator josh hawley who has been voted no but said if his amendment on providing funding for victims of a nuclear contamination passes, he would support the final bill. the question of amendments, that's the remaining question for today. the senators are kind of all on standby wondering if they are going to be able to watch the super bowl not inside the capitol. under regular order, there will not be any votes until tomorrow. however, if all 100 senators

agree on a time acceleration for this, we could see votes on amendments sooner, as soon as tonight, or even final passage sooner, but senator rand paul of kentucky is maintaining he's going to drag this out as long as possible. he thinks he can keep this going until tuesday or wednesday. frustration is mounting among senators. even republicans, senator mitch mcconnell took to the floor today calling on republicans who are basically saying that america is a global power and can disregard global interests. he was not happy with those senators. he urged them to pass this bill, arguing that we are not providing funding for israel, taiwan, and ukraine because we want the accolades or for fun. this is so that we have shared adversaries. we can equip them and to handle that. that way, the u.s. doesn't have to send over its own troops and

get involved in these conflicts. on the democratic side, senator mark kelly of arizona told me that this is the most, the worst week that he has had on the hill since january 6th. that it just shows how deflated some of the senators are in this process which went from a border national security supplemental bill to just a foreign aid bill. we are going to be keeping an eye with the floor timing to see when this vote gets to the floor on amendments and or final passage. from there, it faces an uncertain future in the house of representatives. interestingly, senator tillis, a republican, said he's had conversations with members of the house about a potential discharge petition for speaker johnson if he refuses to put it on the floor. while this vote is a move forward, we have a lot of ways to go, alex. >> a lot still up in the air. okay, julia gesture, thank you for that. there's more breaking news, a new reaction over trump's controversial comments. let's listen to what is sparking the outrage.

>> one of the presidents of a big country said, sir, if we don't pay and we are attacked by russia, will you protect us? i said, you didn't pay, you are delinquent, you said yes. let's say that happened. i would not protect you. i would encourage them to do whatever the heck they wanted. you have to pay! you have to pay your bills! >> nbc's allie raffa joins us from the white house. what has been the official response to that? >> yeah, alex. well, the white house sees this as potential bending to the nato alliance if trump does win the white house back in 2024. they issued a very sharp response to trump's comments last night in a statement by spokesperson andrew bates. he says, in part, quote, thanks to president biden's experience, nato is now the largest and most vital it has ever been. encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes is appalling and

unhinged and it endangers american national security, global stability, and our economy at home. the biden campaign, alex, also seizing on this, posting a clip of those comments by former president trump on x which has garnered millions and millions of views. we should expect the white house and biden campaign to continue seizing on multiple comments by trump made at that rally last night, trying to continue drawing this contrast between the president and his predecessors, alex. >> let me ask you about the important details on that call between president biden and prime minister netanyahu. they held it a bit earlier today. what more have you learned? >> absolutely. well, this was the first call between these two leaders in a little over three weeks. there was a lot of attention on this call because it is the first time these two leaders have spoken since president biden issued his sharpest criticism yet of prime minister netanyahu's ground invasion of

gaza. a senior biden administration official briefed reporters on our call in the last hour talking about more specific details of the call, more than the white house readout that we got after. they say the call lasted around 45 minutes. they say u.s. officials believe major progress on the hostages -- releasing the over 130 hostages still being held by hamas. it could come as early as this week. they cautioned that there are still major gaps remaining and nothing is finalized until the deal is completely done. they said that the two leaders spent more than half of the call talking about those hostage negotiations. on the call, the president also expressed his concerns about that impending military operation that the israelis have been preparing for after netanyahu said this week that rafah is hamas is a last bastion. that is why israel wants to go into that area. of course, that puts the more

than 1 million innocent civilians who have been displaced and sheltering in that area at risk. the president, officials say, on that call reiterated to netanyahu that the u.s. would not support any military plans that do not include a robust plan to be able to protect those civilians and evacuate them from that area. the official said that biden's recent, quote, over the top comments that he made on thursday were not brought up on the call, nor did the new memo, you have to see u.s. officials say, they briefed israel on which allows countries receiving u.s. weapons to stick to international law when it using those weapons. they also wouldn't notably not get into any specifics about the tone of the conversation between these two leaders. >> okay, allie raffa from the white house on a big day, thank you so much. coming up next, we're talking about two deadlines in a donald trump's legal battles, one today, the other tomorrow. those details when we return in a quick 60 seconds. 60 seconds. g

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with just weeks before the south carolina primary, the palmetto state has become the scene of a heated exchange between donald trump and nikki haley. it all started last night when trump made a comment about haley's husband during his rally speech. nbc's jay trailer is in charleston, south carolina for us. what exactly was said? how is everyone else chiming in about it today? >> yeah, alex. let's dive back into this political drama unfolding here in south carolina. donald trump is back on the campaign trail. his first time in south carolina in almost 80 days. he's issuing new criticism, not of haley herself, but of her husband who we know is deployed in the military in africa. trump said that he has been to absent from the campaign trail. nikki haley responded to that this morning. let's take a listen to that. >> it's insulting to military members. it's insulting to military

families. the part that bothers me if he continues to do this. this is not personal about me and michael. this is about what it says to every member who sacrifices for us. this is about what it says to every military family who sacrifices alongside of them. we can't have someone who sits there and mocks our men and women who are trying to protect america. >> so, i want to talk about the way that the haley campaign is specifically leaning into the strategy. yesterday, she also said that donald trump should quit talking behind her back and take her on the debate stage. this has been a common strategy of haley's to call trump out to take him on the debate stage, but in the past week in particular, she has really ramped that up. she released a new ad saying donald trump is too chicken to debate her. she had a chicken mascot fall over around on the campaign trail. she released chicken stickers and refunds to donald trump. while this literal chicken fight is taking place in south carolina, just a few moments ago on truth social, donald trump is now targeting none

other than taylor swift just hours before the super bowl, saying there is no way swift whatever endorsed president biden because trump himself has made her too much money. i don't want to go into too much detail on either of the flights taking place between trump now and apparently swift and biden, and also this chicken fight and south carolina, but more than anything, this is emblematic and it points to the unpredictability of donald trump's campaign heading into the south carolina primary, alex. >> you know, jake, that was great reporting. i'm not touching a lot of that. some of that stuff is just ridiculous, as i know you totally understand. anyway, thank you very much. joining me now is former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. welcome. let's get to some of the legal deadlines. there are some interesting ones for today and tomorrow. first up on the colorado supreme court battle, the plaintiffs in that case asked the court to rule by today, so that is unlikely to happen. when do you think we could see

that decision come through as super tuesday approaches? on what points do you expect the justices to find agreement? >> well, these sorts of deadlines are always up to the justices themselves. there are no rules covering when they have to issue an opinion by. we know that the supreme court can move very quickly when it wants to. it has done that in other election related cases in the past. not out of the question that we might see something today, extraordinarily unlikely. it would be inconsistent with how they typically release opinions. when the court does rule, based on reading the tea leaves at oral argument, it seems almost certain that donald trump will remain on the ballot. that may be why the court has not been any particular hurry to rule. that would permit the ballots which have already been printed to go out as is. that's the most likely result here. >> i'm telling you you just made that point. as you are making it, right before i thought that, i

thought, this is also an indication of how they may rule. the logistics of having to deal with recalling ballots or issuing new ones, the confusion that would cause, good point, my friend, along with all of the other ones you always make. let's move on to trump's immunity claim. tomorrow is the deadline for when he can request the supreme court to take that case up. do you believe that they are even going to agree to hear it? if so, did anything that you heard on thursday give you an indication of how they could rule there? >> you know, in some ways, i think this is a much bigger question. this is one of the criminal prosecutions that trump is looking at. i think it's unrelated, at least in terms of the substantive legal issues, to the argument that we heard last thursday. there is some speculation that the judges may have appetite you hear only one case involving the former president. they might declined to hear this case, leaving the opinion issued by the court of appeals in the district of columbia circuit untouched.

that would permit the criminal case against donald trump to move ahead. this is an issue of first impression, alex. that means no court has ever decided before whether a former president is immune from criminal prosecution. this court may want to take a bite act that question rather than leaving it up to the lower courts. the one thing that is very clear at this point is that, unless the supreme court moves quickly, donald trump will not go to trial in this case before people began to cast their ballots in this election. the american people really need that critical piece of information. they need to have access to the evidence in this case. they need to know what a jury of their peers decides. >> how much do you think what you were just saying about the timing is going to weigh into their decision? >> you know, typically, courts don't take into account political events, but i think it's naive to think here that any of these cases can be decided in a vacuum. the supreme court knows that

there are a lot of ways that donald trump can delay this case. the court of appeals has cut off one of them, as you pointed out. this monday deadline is actually about whether or not the proceedings in front of the district court will be permitted to restart. right now, everything is on hold. if trump does not file with the supreme court on monday, that case can go back to the preparation for trial. there is that sort of delay involved with the supreme court involving an additional stay. alex, i think they will, by the way, impose what is called an administrative stay as soon as donald trump finals. that's just something that lets the court keep everything in position while it decides whether it's going to hear the case, the larger issue is whether they will continue to let trump delay asked this case looms larger. >> okay, i'm glad you explained that in a case that is coming down tomorrow. let me ask you about the special counsel robert hers's report. democrats are saying that he

couldn't charge biden illegally. he's trying to taint him politically. do you agree with that, joyce? what did you make of her statements in that report, the question of biden's age and memory? >> so, the only thing that is important in the special counsel's 300 and something page report is his completion that there is insufficient evidence to prosecute joe biden. that is literally the only thing that matters. that is the only thing that we would hear from the justice department if this were any other case. prosecutors don't discuss things like their assessment of a defendant's contribution to the investigation. it is, i think, notable here that joe biden sat down with prosecutors and spoke with them, something that donald trump has never done, whether it was during the mueller investigation or during the look into his own retention of classified material. all of this commentary is inappropriate. the only relevant fact is that there will be no prosecution of

joe biden. >> what about yesterday with trump's team having filed that reply brief to further support his motions to compel the discovery evidence? this one is for the classified documents case which jack smith is warning, look, that could endanger witnesses? trump's team has cited the special counsel report about biden in their filing, saying president biden will not be charged and president trump should not have been either. special counsel actually made it clear distinctions between those two cases, but what more did that reply brief say? what happens next? >> yeah, i mean, it really becomes a big mess with donald trump as a litigants in a way that you just don't see in other cases. it's not particularly relevant or interesting to the court, or at least it should not be, how donald trump assesses his case against someone else. the government could just as easily 0.2 defendants who were

indicted under this sort of statute. that's not what this case is about. this case is about donald trump and whether the government has sufficient evidence to prove that he violated the law beyond a reasonable doubt. that's really the only issue that the judge in this case should be looking at. i will be watching to see if she picks up this invitation from the trump lawyers. as you point out, even robert hur, the special counsel in the biden case, made it very clear at length in his report that the biden situation was very different from donald trump's case. for those who need the reversal, the single stand out here is that donald trump, after being asked to return documents, refused to, after being subpoenaed for them did not comply with the subpoena and instead try to hide information from of the government and obstructed justice. that's a federal crime. i think that is really the only thing that is important here. there are discovery squabbles over whether the government is going to be forced to

compromise potential witnesses identities and possibly their safety given what we all know about how trump and his supporters operate. that is the sort of collateral issue that the government may well appeal to the 11th circuit. the straight line forward is the same for way, the criminal way that donald trump handled classified material. >> thank you so much for cutting through all of it and giving us the facts as they should stand. what we know about the race to replace george santos in congress is next. is next. the long-lasting scent of gain flings made it smell like dave was in his happy place... ...the massage chair at the mall. but...he wasn't. gain flings with oxi boost and febreze.

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ball. political reports, quote, considering the importance of suburbs to democrats in the 2020 election, biden and trump could see their fates foretold in a nasa months before november. joining me now is -- welcome back, emily. i know you have been following this race with just two days to go. his momentum behind suozzi or pilip? >> it's really hard to tell now. republicans in this area boasted impressive ground game. this district has been turning red seat by local seat over the past year. as much as it might be a bellwether for november in the presidential election then, it may stand apart from other suburbs, affluent suburbs around new york state and around the country. >> can i just say, anecdotally, if i see one more commercial for these two, are some people almost being turned off by

that? it's so much! they have saturated the airwaves, both of them. >> and you are going to see an ad on the super bowl tonight, a pro pilip campaign is going to denounce suozzi on some of his immigration stances, or at least the policies that the party is trying to align him with. the playbook for the republicans has to be to tie him very closely to president joe biden as much as suozzi cast some self as independent has rejected biden help in this race, but a couple more days on the airwaves. there's been a ton of spending. on the ground, some voters are, alex, turned off by the negativity. >> these two candidates faced off on thursday. it was their first and only televised debate and one of the many issues on which they traded jabs was abortion. take a listen to this. >> you know what's funny? you will tell me, a mother of

seven -- >> are you saying you are pro- choice? are you pro-choice? >> every woman should have that right. >> it's about laws. >> it's a personal decision, a personal choice. >> who won that debate? will abortion even remain a top issue in this race? it is protected in new york. >> it is protected, but the threat to abortion access nationwide does have an implication here in the state. mazi pilip i said she is pro- life but she believes it is a woman's choice. she would not press her personal views and other people, that she is against a nationwide ban on abortion, but she has not said whether she supports codify roe v. wade. she has the support of the conservative party. their views are troublesome on abortion as well. this is an issue, but it may not be the top issue. there may be border security issues and the -- --

>> she said she has no solutions, but there is a problem -- by the way, it's a really big problem. that's not enough. that's how you govern. there was the senate bipartisan bill that died in the house this week. is their anger for republicans for refusing to take action about the border? >> there is, to some degree. the strategy being employed by suozzi this one being picked up by democrats which is to do know that the republicans are using this issue as a cudgel. they gain from it clinically. they are aligning themselves with donald trump because they are following his directions. they clearly believe that border security is an issue. they would act legislatively and act with the democrats and a divided government to find a solution, whereas they are just talking about the problem which pilip has been doing on the campaign trail.

there are new yorkers to agree with her that this is an issue that illegal immigration is problematic, but some of migrants have turned to violence. that may be with her party in terms of the impact that the messaging has sent. the task of democrats now is to push back and say, we agree that it is a problem. what are we going to do about it? >> do you agree that this race is a bellwether for how that district is going to vote in november? if so, why? >> this is an affluent suburb. it's a suburb where illegal immigration, the migrant crisis, border security is a top issue. it's part of new york city. 100,000 people have come through since february 2022. will they support the party of

trump or the party of biden? it's not the perfect bellwether because this part of new york state has been a renter than other parts of new york state which have swung more democratic over the past years. >> emily ngo, it's always good to talk to you. it will be interesting to see what happens. we have some breaking news to share. this is on the hostage situation in gaza. within the just the past hour, a senior administration told nbc news that u.s. officials believe that some major progress on a deal could happen this week. let's go right to nbc's matt bradley in tel aviv. what do you know about this? what more has netanyahu said about this, if anything? where are we getting this information? >> this is coming from my colleagues in washington. they were hearing this. with regards to a 45 minute phone call the benjamin netanyahu had with president joe biden just today, about two thirds of the 45 minute phone call was, apparently, all about this hostage negotiation deal. we don't really have details quite yet, but it sounds as

though this source, who was speaking to my colleagues in washington, was saying that it would resemble the one back in november. if you remember that deal, it led to a one-week pause. it was violated, both sides accused the other of violating the pausing the fighting, but it did release over 100 hostages. that was the longest pause we have seen. this deal, according to the source in washington, who are speaking not to me but to my colleagues, they said this is going to be more difficult. there are more moving parts. both sides are going to be much more in transit. we have been close to a deal before. both sides went back to -- -- not with hamas president,. his counterparts in israel and egypt came up to the --

>> we are hearing from this source in washington that this deal is all about none. we are trying to see the head of the cia chief once again by the biden administration, now to paris this time, and to cairo. we had seen hamas leaders huddling a couple days ago as they were trying to decide what to do with the paris proposal. we are seeing a lot of optimism, a lot of enthusiasm around something that may or may not happen.

we have seen a lot of this before. it brought everyone to the brink of joy. it was crushed. this proposal could be a much longer pause on the one-week deal which came out in november. it would involve the release of many more israeli hostages. if it would still involve the release of all of the remaining 100 hostages, i believe there are about 136 of, them including six americans. i would find it a little bit hard to believe that hamas would be willing to part with all of the remaining hostages. there are really, really strong guarantees from israel that they were not going to continue their incursion into the gaza strip. hamas has made this very clear time and time again that they will not release all of the hostages until they get a guarantee for a full and final cease-fire. president biden was speaking to netanyahu about what might happen in rafah, the city between egypt and the gaza

strip. that's thought to be 1.4 million palestinians, who might have been displaced from other locations. they are enduring terrible conditions. many of them are living in a sprawling city right along the border. they are desperate to see any kind of reprieve even if it means the release of these hostages in a final, hopeful, and into this conflict. >> i will tell you, there's a lot going on there. can you reiterate, matt, how many hostages do we believe are still there alive? there were reports of some having died in captivity, but their bodies were being held by hamas. what do we know about that? has that been unequivocal-y a proven, those numbers? >> yeah, the last numbers that were released to the new york times which were corroborated by a number of other sources, including nbc news, was that about a fifth of the hostages

had been killed. most of them had died. most of them had died in a bombing by the israelis themselves. we had heard that just a couple of days ago that the israelis confirmed that another one of the hostages had died in israeli bombardments. this is something that, when you talk to the families of the hostages and some of the former hostages, they said that, as long as these negotiations go on, if they continue to go on interminably, there may not be any other hostages left to rescue. there's another element to this that i did not mention earlier. all of those palestinian prisoners in israeli jails, there are many of them, many of them are under the age of 18, and many of them are being held in administrative detention. they have not seen a real due process. the palestinians, hamas wants them back as well. they are on a long list of people. hamas has been asking for some of the militants, according to the israelis, for some of the militants that were involved in

the october 7th attacks themselves, they've said that's a nonstarter. >> okay, matt bradley, comprehensive. thank you so much. i appreciate you. >> it's coming, but we don't know when. judge arthur engoron is poised to rule on how much money donald trump and his codefendants oh for fraud. how much is it making trump nervous? that's next nervous? that's nex

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one big potential expected ruling this week on the donald trump legal front is right here in manhattan where judge arthur engoron is expected to announce his decision in the civil fraud trial brought by new york attorney general letitia james. trump could face hundreds of millions of dollars in penalties. he and his sons could also be barred from running any business in the state of new york. joining me now, msnbc political analyst and senior executive editor at bloomberg opinion tim o'brien. tim, i'm always glad to talk to you about these things. you wrote this book on donald trump. you interviewed him for that. he has already been ordered to

pay e. jean carroll more than $83 million. he could be forced to pay three or four times that amount in his civil fraud trial. does donald trump have the cash to pay for the settlements? >> i think he actually definitely does have the cash. i don't think he will light paying its. the total bill in the e. jean carroll case is actually over $88 million. it was a 5 million dollar judgment in the previous ruling on one of her claims against him. then your case is 370 million. does donald trump have the wherewithal to swallow payments up to $400 million? he does. he actually probably has cash somewhere in that neighborhood. will he willingly part with it again? i think not. in both cases, you are going to have to see the courts come after him and attacked some of his assets. most of donald trump's wealth is tied up in a handful of urban skyscrapers whose value has been diminished by the

covid pandemic and this flight from urban centers. a lot of it is in golf courses. none of it is, as they say, in the -- >> well to that end. . and tell me how he feels about this and being spent on electioneering and his campaign, should watch their. walls because ever since he came into the presidency, he realized that the white o house was something he could monetize. and he has no hesitation or

ethical boundaries around the idea of, and can he illegally use campaign funds to pay e. jean carroll? or pay the new york civil judgment i think he will litigate, and i think it's under the fcc should take a look at. it's been largely often a toothless organization, in terms of endorsing its own rules. but i do think that it is something that should be explored. and i think he owes his own campaign, and the voters who are giving him money, a refund, if the fcc decides that it's been used in the wrong fashion. >> what do you think what damage donald trump more, a hefty penalty in the civil fraud trial, or a conviction one of the four criminal trials that ofhe is facing?

>> well it depends. i think we elhave to decide how to prioritize what matters to him. his family's legacy is tied up in new york, but the case in new york, he has already been found guilty of financial fraud. so the issue here is, how badly he is going be penalized for. this as you already noted, there is a hefty financial penalty here. i don't think the judge in the case what, i don't think and bourne will go as high as $270 million, but i think one of the more damaging aspects of it is -- and a business death penalty, that will forbid him and his children, and the two eldest sons in the trump organization, from doing business in new york ever again. and that is the foundation of the trump family's legacy in the city, and of the source of most of their wealth. so i think that is ogoing to hurt him. but, it won't prevent him from for the presidency or holding office. the two federal cases carry those implications. and i think the georgia case

does as well. so in terms of his political future, i think the other three are refar more perilous for him >> so donald trump has also been making a lot of gaffes out there on the campaign trail. i'm not going to recount them here, but what do you make of that? and how much is he different, on that front, from 2007 when you interviewed him? >> well, i think donald trump has degraded over time. i mean, he is not a particularly sophisticated man. he has got a very weak memory, and he substitutes for both of those problems by being an incredible you -- he will make up a story or a fact, to support -- any view he has of what's going on in the world around him. and he is very shameless about any -- regret when he does that. having said that, because he has been doing that, donald trump in june will be 78 years old. and he has been probably doing this for at least 70 years. and, he has never really been held to account for it.

but even all of that considered, there is a real degrading in his final capacity -- i think since 2016. his words are gummier, he makes innumerable mistakes, as you referenced. he is slower, he is foggier. and of course, they are trying to make this issue with joe biden, who this also slow and foggy. but at the end of the day, donald trump is much less sharp and acute than he was when he ran in 2016. >> so you think his success is the fact that he is just loud, or cthe is so bellicose, he use a bull horn to get his message across? and people may not be listened to actually what he is saying, but the way he is doing it? >> i think you just put your finger on a very important reality, alhe is like red bull, the candidates body. and there is not a lot there when you pull the cover back. >> okay, a lot there with you though. always love speaking with you jim, thank you so much. so there's betting on the super and then there's betting 's

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a new take now on an idea that has divided some americans, reparations yes. it has been over 150 years since the end of slavery, but inequality still persists among the black community. and according to my next guest, it would take more than a check to repair the systemic damage that has been done. joining us now is marcus anthony hunter, professor of sociology and african american studies at ucla, and author of the new book, radical reparations, healing the soul of a nation. i'm glad you are here to talk about this, marcus. if reparations were to be done, what would the effect be on the black community? and would it be enough, or at least the beginning? >> yes, it's important that we

understand that whenever we are hearing reparations, we are thinking bigger than just a check, or just money. for example, one of the first things that happened during slavery is that a bit of ire was placed into kidnap people smells. which means that it steals their smile. and so the question that becomes, is there a reparation that is monetary that can address the loss of something like a smile? in the answer is no. and so instead, what we need to be thinking you are what i call seven forms of reparations, for the piles and piles of dead. political reparations, intellectual reparations, the legal reparations, economic reparations, spatial, social, and spiritual reparations. and all of those together comprise what i call radical reparations, which really plants the seeds of an infrastructure equity, which is beneficial to not only black americans or african americans, but also to everyone who is poor, working class, middle class in this country. >> marcus, how do you harness all seven of those, and begin

to move forward on that? where do you begin? >> so, you begin in some ways with the social. because at the beginning of the day, any experience you have been a nation is a social contract. and so, we have to start thinking about ways that we can create public awareness campaigns, and in fact some of that has been already going forward, shout out to the 16 19 project, which is led to what we see as book banning. which means that we are not at liberty to share the history and the truth of what made the united states a country, which is land dispossession and enslaving black africans. >> can i ask you how open america seems to be today to the idea of reparations? because as you are saying it's not just about a check, if people who are opposed to -- being able to look at the amount of money that might be owed based on what was taken, there is a hard calculus on that. but there is so much more that can be done. where does america stand on this emotionally, do you think?

>> i think, i'm an optimist. and i think that we are at a better time than we have ever been. in fact, i appreciate you and your whole team for having a conversation on airways about reparations. once upon a time not long ago, it was very hard to even discuss it, even amongst black people. so the fact that we see states like california and new york, cities like evanston and asheville, north carolina, and so many other places in between, doing this work of at least talking about it, studying it, means that we are in a very, very good place to see it perhaps in our lifetimes. which is amazing. >> yeah, and i'm glad you called out california. i've actually closely followed what happened in manhattan beach, particularly. that family that has been given a bunch of money, and some property, which they can turn around and sell and make the money they want to. but it was money and property that was stolen from them over 100 years ago. it is extraordinary that manhattan beach has taken, that a relatively small community in california has taken that step. let me ask you about your book, i want you to walk us through

it. because, it does a lot more, marcus, then just examine reparations right now. this book begins with a young west african boy being sold into slavery, who is on a ship, quote, unsure of how long he had been in the dark -- as he was in an endless loop of confusion, pain, death, suffering, tears, and unanswered prayers. powerful pros there. >> thank you so much. it's, in order to attend to something that is as very divisive and negative like reparations is, or can be for people, the challenges really to take something that seems negative, and to appeal to the imagination. because if you can imagine it, you can manifested. or to put simply, barring from the wonderful song everything is everything by the great sociologist lauren hill, see this mixture where sociology meets scripture, develop negative into positive pictures. so the idea is to take three parables, pull them together, and illustrate the seventh forms of radical repair, and have us come to the present,

where we can all see that, and we can imagine these forms of repair, and we are not being told what they look like and sound like, we can meet our individual community needs, and also call on the biden harris administration, or whomever is president, to do the work that has been long in the making. because there has been over 83 million minutes that black people have been waiting on healing and repair. >> i am glad you are an optimist, it is good to hear. and i'm very grateful for this book, and the stories that you are telling in. marcus anthony hunter, thank you so much for your time, we look forward to seeing you again, we hope. >> that is going to do it for me, on this edition of alex witt reports. we will be back next saturday and sunday, at one pm eastern. meantime, stay tuned for black men in america, the road to 2024 coming your way next. to be a black man in america, means having the weight of the world on your shoulders. >> the force is a different outlook, it gives a different perspective. it's being often talked about, but rarely being