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against him in 48 hours. another hour of velshi, begins right now. >> good morning, it's sunday, february teen. i'm ali velshi, with the best of times it was the worst of times. that ipretty much sums up dona trump's 2024 so far. he began the year on a high note, with a huge important victory in the iowa caucuses and then the new hampshire primary. cementing his front runner status, offering further proof that he is untouchable within the ngrepublican party. in addition to that, recent polling trends have shown him pulling ahead of president biden in a hypothetical head to head matchups. for presidential candidate, it can't start an election year inr a better position than that. but trump is not a normal candidate. we are only 49 days into the

new year, the twice impeached, multiple indicted ex president is already found liable for defamation and fraud in addition to be held liable for sexual abuse last year and as aa result of those cases he's been fined about half a billion dollars in civil penalties and interest. you would think that it can't get any worse, but for trump, it just might. in the same week, the judge engoron penalized him $355 million plus interest in the civil fraud case, another judge in new york confirmed that trump's first criminal trial can proceed as planned, beginning march 25th. with the federal election interference case in d.c. still indefinitely postponed, that means that the manhattan district attorney alvin bragg, the first prosecutor in history to indict a former president, will likely become the first prosecutor in history to try a former president, in a court of law. this is the case that is often referred to as the hush money case, which some have dismissed as being the weakest or least compelling of the four criminal

cases that trump is facing. but it is far more complex than that. if you recall, this is the 130,000 dollar payment made to the adult extras sort -- -- that trump has been charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records, for trying to conceal that payoff. now -- is a very different from paying someone off days before an election, to prevent a global scandal from unfolding in potentially sinking the presidential campaign. in other words, it's a form of election interference. in a recent interview, brett said, quote, the case, the core of, it is not money for sex. we would say it's about conspiring to corrupt a presidential election, and then lying in new york business

records to cover it up. that is the heart of the case. bragg seems to understand that trump's other cases have overshadowed his so-called hush money case, because it seems -- salacious on the surface. but he contends that there is a limit between his case and the election interference cases, that should not be dismissed. and it could benefit trump at trial. -- the civil fraud trial saw some of the same players, who are expected to factor into bragg's case. like allen weisselberg, the four -- who is now been banned for life, serving a trial -- for any company in new york. bragg is also expected to call to the stand michael cohen, a former trump lawyer, who's been previously rucharged with perjury, but cohen's recent testimony in the rjcivil fraud trial was found to be credible by the judge, who wrote in his ruling, quote, michael cohen told the truth, unquote.

a few months ago, the e. jean carroll and civil fraud cases were thought to be flying under the htradar, but the judgments nded down in those cases, won by a jury, and one page, edge could have long term consequences for trump's personal, federal, and political lives. the outcome of bragg's case could add to that too, and it won't be cathe end. the hush money trial is expected to last about six weeks, until about mid may. i think it's possible that another one of trump's criminal cases will be ready to proceed to trial. joining me now is jonathan -- he's a previously served assistant united states attorney at the southern district of new york. he is a partner at the palace partners ella p. also with us, civil rights attorney maya wiley, she's also served as an assistant u.s. attorney at the southern district of new york, president and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and fehuman rights. thank you both for joining, us we appreciate that. joshua, i'm sorry. i misspoke your name.

maya, let's start with you. the civil fraud case and brags upcoming trial, as trump --

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>> this past tuesday, we saw something happen in the special election for new york's third congressional district that did not seem and have a double. the democrat, thomas rossi, handily beat his republican opponent, turning george santos's old district blue once again. republicans hand pick the candidate to run for the swing district, they did not hold an nominating contest, there was no primary. they were so confident that this woman checked on the ball says. with that in mind, the republican party even turned its attention to her democratic opponent, who was a former congressman from that district who defeated george santos in 2020. they attacked him relentlessly, with ads bashing his platform, and -- his record on immigration. >> here's tom suozzi talking about his idol, joe biden. >> i'm gonna make it perfectly clear that i support the presidents agenda 100 percent. >> so aussies not just biden's biggest fan, he's biden's accomplice. >> i'm going to make it perfectly clear that i support

the presidents agenda, 100 percent. >> this resulted in record numbers coming in. >> i'm gonna make it perfectly clear that i support the -- >> republicans did everything they could -- in the end, it didn't matter -- deeply unpopular policies, and that's simply not the way to win elections. joining me now is a person who intimately understands the volatility of new york swing districts and what it takes to motivate its voters. max rhodes is a former democratic congressman who served in the state's 11th district that encompasses staten island and parts of south brooklyn. thank you for being with us, i was curious. tuesday night and wednesday, i mostly wanted to talk to you. you've been to this before, you've seen, and in this election, particularly in the areas around new york, which are not as democratic as manhattan and new york city

are, talk to me about how you saw this unfold in new york for you. >> sure, so first of, all i think that we should not underestimate the degree to which the republicans were incredibly confident. remember, they kicked george santos out of congress because -- hold on to this, someone else with perhaps a cleaner background. so that was the concept going into this. and then rolled out their traditional playbook, which is try to scare the heck out of their voters by establishing the democratic opponent as some type of radical or extremist. now, all of that really isn't that interesting or surprising. what is interesting and surprising about the way this election turned out is what tom suozzi did successfully, and how that actually pushed back on traditional political orthodoxy. what suozzi did is he went face to camera in multiple

commercials, and repeated republican talking points, only to then show why they were absolutely crazy, insane, and that voter should reject those critiques. and trust him. he went face to camera and said, it's not me that's crazy on immigration. it's not me that's irresponsible on this. it's the republicans who are rejecting any type of bipartisan compromise, because they want to keep this as a political issue. and by doing that, suozzi won by nearly double digits. it was an extraordinary victory. it's one i think shows and proves how lessons -- president biden in his reelection. >> what was interesting, -- although in our part of the country, to. where the republican candidate -- but that wasn't the case here. after the george santos incident, the republican primary was not voting in this

one. they picked a candidate who they thought was going to be safe she has difficulty articulating whether because she knew in a suburban new york writing that can. -- -- . , -- if you don't say trump all the way, your mega all the way. this candidates, had difficulty in saying she was or wasn't. >> she was stuck between a rock and a hard place, and thoughts going to -- the ways republicans in swing districts are going to be in really difficult positions. remember, suozzi was running in a biden plus eight. there are three other congressional districts, not just in new york state alone, where biden won those districts by more in 2020. there are now 18 and now 17 republicans throughout the country that are currently holding biden's seat. so this is going to be something we see across the country, which is how do you

appeal to swing voters who absolutely reject the craziness that is the maga trump agenda, while at the same time trying to hold on to this rather sizeable and very vocal base? which is absolutely beholden to the maga movement. suozzi tried to walk down this road, and he did not work, and it's not going to work for any of them across the country. the republicans kind of shifted right into these talking points, right after. which is special elections, they don't matter. special elections, this is just something that won't be demonstrative of national trends. this actually really reminded me of the victory in 2017 where the democrats i have a lost elections are actually pretty down on there -- and then they won a very difficult seat in a special election, and that opened up, it showed the

pathway to victory for democrats to flip difficult seats all across the country, and democrats to take back the house. and i think that's what we are on track to do right now. >> let's talk about the topics, because i was watching a lot of local news in the last few weeks in new york, to watch the ads of the discussions about this. in the swing district, which is the same as your swing district in some ways, there were -- the topics where immigration, which was something a lot of people talk about, crime, abortion, to some degree, democracy. but it's not a major topic in this part of the country. and of course, economics. the cost of living. where should democrats be leaning into? all of the above, or certain specific things? because this really wasn't a big election about democracy or abortion in new york. >> i would actually push back on that. i think that's the underlying truth in elections like this one, and throughout the country, is that voters have a general sense that there is

pretty good reason to fear the republican agenda. voters know about january 6th, voters know about the ways in which the republican party is totally beholden to trumpism, which cares nothing about our constitutional democracy or men and women in uniform. voters absolutely understand the ways in which republicans oppose across the board women's rights to make their own health care decisions. but what suozzi it did here which is so important, is he didn't use all of those troops to that and say, i'm not going to tackle head on what republicans are saying about me. this is what the democratic party has done to us, and i've been guilty of this mistake to. i'm going to ignore other attacks on me, and i'm gonna say i know you are but what am i and shift to another topic, like democracy, like choice. he did, that he ran on those issues, but he also took the negatives against him had on,

and told voters why they aren't true. so republicans, all they can do right now is try to scare the heck out of voters to say, look, i know that we are antichoice, i know that we have no respect for democracy, but if you vote for that democrat, they're not going to keep you safe. you vote for that democratic, there's going to be this weird and crazy horde of migrants streaming into your communities, and you should be more horrified of them than us. and suozzi said i'm not going to lower those attacks. i'm gonna take them head on, and that's illicit here. >> you're the perfect guy to have this conversation with and i appreciate you always. by the way, given that you have remarkable military training and could kill me with your little finger, if you're gonna push back on, stuff i'm gonna agree with you. mexico is a former democratic congressman from new york. all right, i, know as we just talked, about the news can be daunting. maybe it makes you feel powerless or alone, i have those feeling sometimes to. but there are courageous people all over the country who were doing little things to make a big difference in the communities, and in turn, for

the country. today, we are featuring a small act of courage by a woman named kathleen arnold. she's a professor at deploy university, she's assembled a team of students to do the real work to help those seeking asylum in their community. those stories, coming up next.

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and lying about the value of his properties. >> judge engoron just find me three drum $55 million for doing everything right. >> in friday's decision, the judge, barring him from running his business in new york for three years. but it stops in pennsylvania. >> i love this man. >> and then michigan, on saturday. >> that was a witch hunt. >> supporters, standing in freezing temperatures. right to defend the former president. >> shame. scam. >> i think it's a hoax. it's all made out. >> as trump went back to his own defense in the civil fraud case, which came out to appeal, along with his other pending criminal trials. >> the judges and prosecutors that we're dealing with me are essentially all the same. >> but the severe financial penalty handed down this week could have major ramifications on his finances. trump on saturday unveiling a new potential outlet for cash. his new trump branded sneaker

line. >> that's the real deal. >> trump, stopping at sneaker gone, to promote the shoes. the most expensive pair, selling for $399. meanwhile, nikki haley, with mls than one week until her pickle, still trying to convince her fellow south carolina voters to second guess their support of trump. >> you can't win an election if you are spending more time in court than you are on the campaign trail. you just can't do it. >> now the former presidents attorney indicated she will file an appeal over the civil fraud decision within the next 30 days. and keep in mind that donald trump's attention is increasingly turning toward his first criminal trial, over those alleged hush money payments. that trial is slated to begin on march 25th, in just over a month. >> that's one hillyard. i really like to talk to vaughn on the show, as you know. i really, really wish i could've talked to him live,

because i just want to know more about those sneakers. still ahead, more than 35,000 migrants -- since august 2022. now thousands of them are facing eviction from city shelters. what the situation looks like on the ground, plus the story of one college professor who's recruiting her students to help ease that problem.

>> the city of chicago's been struggling to handle the number of migrants seeking asylum, and as resources are running dry and chicago winter takes its toll, many migrants are facing looming deadlines to leave city shelters. as it stands, more than 13,000 migrants are living in 27 active shelters across the city of chicago. most of whom, were bussed or flown to the state by texas governor greg abbott. since launching operation lone star in 2022, a bit is sent more than 100,000 migrants to six of the largest and bluest cities across the country, on the texas taxpayers dime, no less. since august of 2022, 31,000 of those migrants have been sent to chicago. that is according to governor greg abbott's office. city, state, and county officials are now trying to pull the resources necessary to care for all of them. that's an estimated $321 million a year. on thursday, the state of illinois and cook county announced $250 million for chicago, but much more is

needed. the eviction deadline for both shelters is mid march, and most migrants are unsure of how long they will be able to stay or what's next for them. nbc's -- has more from chicago. >> reporter: thousands of migrants, spending what could be their final weeks in shelters across chicago, as the cities eviction deadline looms. [speaking in a global language] >> like elizabeth velazquez, a venezuelan migrant who says she fled to do political persecution six months ago, and now is nearing the end of her 60 day limit in the city's shelters. [speaking in a global language] >> alaska says she is navigating the asylum process, but that she won't be able to obtain a work permit until well after her eviction day. a crucial step in finding a place to live. [speaking in a global language] [speaking in a global language]

>> reporter: the limit, put in place to find temporary housing -- making room for newcomers. >> only one property manager that has maybe one or two landlords that wants to deal with this. they want them to have work permits, a job, and proof of income. >> would you say the trouble getting work permits has been the largest hurdle for people looking for more permanent housing? >> without work permits and jobs, it's really impossible for people to find places to stay. in our group, we have doctors, lawyers, teachers, they are really talented people. but they have no way to be certified here. >> advocates like pastor phelps or hoping where they can, organizing english classes and clothing drives, but say it's unlikely everyone will be able to successfully transitioned out of shelters. instead, needing to reapply for access to another shelter.

more than 13,000 migrants are currently living in 27 shelters run by the city and the state, according to a census of new arrivals. most of them have arrived since june 2023, part of the busing campaign by texas republican governor greg abbott, who says he sent more than 100,000 migrants to sanctuary cities. it's costing texas taxpayers 100 $24 million, according to a public information request by our affiliate, kxan. to the states division of emergency management, tasked with the initiative. chicago's mayor has extended the limit on shelter status, due to cold weather. sending notices like this to migrants in shelters, warning the earliest notices to leave will come in mid march. the disruption in housing will cause further disruption with migrants legal journey, applying for asylum. >> what's at stake if these migrants and a pulisic? at >> first of all, just sending people back into crisis. if someone doesn't have an address where they can receive their court notices, they risk failing to comply with the

requirements placed upon the by the government. >> another element, adding to their stress. [speaking in a global language] [speaking in a global language] >> our thanks for that report. right after the break, i'm gonna speak with someone who's worked to help the migrants seeking asylum in chicago every single day. a small act, but one that's making a very big difference for the city. rchase equals one donated. visit bombas.com and get 20% off your first order.

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it can be daunting to think about the current state of the world and our future, with existential challenges like poverty and homelessness and climate change in war and hunger in the refugee crisis and the threats to democracy itself. with so much at stake, it's easy to feel like your local and federal leaders are not willing or able to do enough. but what suits some of my own anxieties is human resolve. and knowing that there are ordinary people out there stepping up when the system is otherwise failing. so i started featuring some of

these people for you. people who are starting out and setting out to make their communities and by proxy, the world at large a better place. . my hope is that they're small acts of courage will not only inspire you, they will empower you. today we're taking a look at the group from chicago, helping caseworkers and lawyers representing migrants with asylum applications. in 2021, nepal university professor kathleen arnold began researching and completing what are called country condition reports. those reports provide context on the nations from which migrants are coming, context like human rights concerns. statistics on mass violence, and other consequences that migrants might face if they are forced to return. which many migrants are. the definition of a refugee is someone who can demonstrate to the american government that they were persecuted or fear persecution, due to race, religion nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group. and these country condition reports help lawyers prove that

widespread persecution exists in those countries, which in turn helps migrants receive legal asylum and work permits in the united states. these reports take a lot of time to put together, and overworked lawyers often don't have the time or resources to take these extra steps. and that's where professor arnold comes in. she even assembled a team of her own students to help the cause. she created the student group called depaul sanctuary, which aims to help asylum seekers and migrants in chicago. in addition to working on the country condition reports, her students have led close drives for venezuelan migrants, peer mentoring for afghan refugees, and more. the students started as volunteers, but professor arnold has received grants to ensure that her students get paid for their efforts. many of them have personal ties to the work, some of them are children of parents who themselves migrated to the united states, and who have gone through similar processes. professor arnold is a scholar when it comes to migrant and refugee issues. she's written many books, but her small act of courage goes

well before the classroom. professor kathleen arnold joins me now. she's the director of the refugee and forced migration studies graduate program at depaul university. professor, thank you for being here, and let me start by saying, thank you for what you do. you've obviously been involved in this type of work, certainly from an academic and legal perspective, for a long time. but the current situation in america has made this remarkably urgent and this probably quadrupled your workload, if not more. >> yeah, i think it's really worth, it though. if we are writing about this all the time and we are motivated to a deal with difficult issues, then i want to do something. so i think these country conditions reports have been a fabulous way to feel like you are contributing in a substantial way. and to involve my students has been such a privilege. >> what does the process involved? is there one country condition

report for every country? or is it specific to the asylum applicant in each case, or the migrant in each case? what their relationship to what was going on in the country from which they came to the united states? >> yeah, that's a great question. so what you just described, if we did individual cases, that would be an expert witness report. we are not doing that for various reasons, and part of it is anonymity, and also i don't want my students to read every particular report, because it's pretty traumatizing. you can get secondhand trauma. so we are doing it for the countries themselves, and then the groups, the nonprofit groups that use these reports, can tailor it to the individual if they would like. and what it takes is a lot of research. we also try to do different groups like the research of what would happen to an indigenous person, for example, in a certain country. or women, so they're not just persecuted by the government, but they often face abuse by private actors or a civil society groups. so we try to account for a specific vulnerabilities in

these countries. >> that's super important, because i think what a lot of americans don't understand is that most asylum seekers who go through the process, certainly those coming from central america, and many other countries, don't succeed. they get sent back, because our conception of what persecution looks like is that your a particular race that's persecuted, or you are a religious minority who's persecuted by the majority. but persecution, even under the legal definitions that we ascribe to asylum seekers, is a broader and more complicated. >> yep, that's a great comment. i mean, persecution could be attacking civilians, it could be attacking non-combatants. so you could see that in syria, for example. or other parts of the middle east, so persecution is very broad, like you said. you don't have to have been attacked on account of a particular social group, which would be because you are indigenous, you could just be attacked because the government is attacking you.

and or it's permitting drug cartels to control neighborhoods. and so, yeah. it's a great point, and i hope these reports really help judges and adjudicators make informed decisions when they're judging these cases. >> you are helping people who in some cases, i know you're doing this for the nonprofits that help them, but ultimately the people you are helping our people who are voiceless, and lacking in resources. in the midst of a political situation that is described by some people as a crisis, as an invasion, they associate these asylum seekers and migrants with crime, they've completely missed any connection between migrating to america for economic reasons or for economic benefit to america, which has been our history for hundreds of years. how does that inform your students? because if they read about these things in the newspapers, or they see them in the news, it's a different story. >> yeah, i feel like a lot of my students said even if they are aware of these conditions

or their parents have gone through things, that it gave them a broader understanding. some of my students have been encouraged to think of their parents as a legal, and then they realized, i think, through kind of studying this stuff and researching these areas, and those are so my students who did just absolutely fabulous work by the way. again, they just realized that this was political and not personal. and that their parents weren't illegal, that they were missed judged by the system, they didn't have sufficient resources. and this is kind of like an expert witness report, granted, it's broader. something that a normal person couldn't afford. and so i think it really excites my students to be able to do what their parents couldn't get, like what they didn't have enough money to afford, for example. >> i've got 30 seconds left, but do you feel like they're moving a needle on this issue? >>, gosh i hope so. i mean, part of it is just the

solidarity with my students and the connection. we really want to help venezuelans, they have been authorized to get work authorize asian to get temporary protected status to follow a path to refugee status. but i think we feel a sense of urgency, that we better do this, before they are viewed as homeless and or they are judged because they can't get a job or there is somehow in violation, or they didn't get something to their address. so, yes. i hope we are doing something. >> maybe a drop in the bucket, but to every one of those people, that's a life, that's a family, and it's amazing. kathleen arnold is the director of the refugee enforced program at depaul university. thanks for watching, you can catch me next saturday and sunday morning from 10 am to noon eastern. don't forget, velshi is available as a podcast, you can follow and listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. stay right where you, are inside with jen psaki begins right now.