minutes. >> reporter: the "wall street journal's" joanna stern reviewed the product. >> part of the reason the returns are happening is people get into the store, and they're like holy, wow, this is amazing, and then they get home, and they realize, i'm not going to use this thing so much, and i paid a lot of money. >> reporter: that wow factor convinced luke miani it was a worthwhile investment. >> i think they absolutely knocked it out of the park with just interacting with non-existent windows that appear to be floating in midair. >> reporter: mark zuckerberg, not impressed, comparing the apple vision pro to his meta quest 3. >> i just don't think that quest is the better value, i think quest is the better product period. >> reporter: as for the users, showing up on the subway, and even dinners with apple vision pros on. >> what's up with the pinchers? >> reporter: miani called this kind of dystopian and useful.

>> why bring to dinner with your friends? >> it wasn't practical but it was fun. >> we reached out to apple about the returns but have not heard back. that does it for us this hour. yasmin vossoughian picks up coverage with "katy tur reports" right now. hey, everybody, good to see you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for katy tur. donald trump is back on the campaign trail this week. $355 million down. after friday's civil fraud trial decision in new york city. he spent the weekend going after the judge, the ag, the proceedings, and gave us a preview of how he may start paying his massive penalty balance as the interest ticks up. >> i've wanted to do this for a long time. i have some incredible people that work with me on things, and they came up with this, and this is something i've been talking about for 12 years, 13 years. and i think it's going to be a big success. that's the real deal.

that's the real deal. >> trump steaks, trump water, now he's got trump sneakers. he launched them, and they're going for $400 a pop. by the way, 400 bucks, and completely sold out within hours yesterday. and that civil fraud ruling is not the end of trump's legal woes in new york. alvin bragg's criminal hush money case is the only trial officially cemented in trump's legal calendar, and it's coming up soon, by the way. why kicking off with those proceedings specifically might be the former president's best option at this point. and what it means for his other cases as well because things are still up in the air in fulton county, georgia. legal experts telling nbc news if the judge there decides to disqualify d.a. fani willis from her own election interference case, it doesn't just make a major delay almost certain, it could scuttle the racketeering charges against trump all together. there's a whole lot to get through. let's get started. i want to bring in msnbc legal

analyst, lisa rubin. "new york times" investigative reporter russ buettner. his reporting is focused on the personal finances of donald trump. also with us is former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance. thank you for joining us. lisa, i want to start with you. i want to talk about the process of an appeal, right, because we need to get an appeal bomb, which you and i talked about when it comes to e. jean carroll which i don't think he's gotten so far. he's going to need to get an appeal bond when it comes to the decision from judge engoron. talk us through that process. >> so, yasmin, it works a little differently in the federal system than it is in the state system. in the e. jean carroll case, judgment was entered there on february 8th, and he has 30 days from that point to post that judgment. similarly here, though, he has 30 days from when the judgment was entered and the judgment was entered on the day the opinion

came out last friday, february 16th. and you are correct to say that the entirety of that judgment needs to be posted in the form of an undertaking. so either he pays it or someone else pays it on his behalf. in new york, it's not atypical to have to put up an excess of the entirety of the judgment. 120% is typical in this state. now, can somebody else do that for him? yes, but typically when people don't have the means to do it themselves, they turn to an insurer. there are a number of companies that do this as their business. trump didn't turn to such an insurer when he paid the first of the bonds in the first e. jean carroll trial, but of course the judgment there was only $5 million. he put it up himself or perhaps with somebody else's money in the tune of $5.6 million. so it remains to be seen what he'll do here with respect to judge engoron's ruling, which of course saddles him with

$355 million in disgorgement, plus prejudgment interest for a total of over $453 million just for the former president himself and his companies. >> show us the money. so it looks like donald trump has $5 million. he was able to put that up, right? does he have $83 million? possibly. does he have over $355 million in addition to that, and then all of that interest, right, that lisa just walked us through. we know he's got the secret -- sneaker line. they've sold out. you talk about his assets. i was standing outside of trump tower on friday, he could walk away if he sold trump tower, possibly for 60, $70 million, depend ongoing what that goes for. he's got a $100 million debt on that building. does he have the money to do this? >> i think the short answer is no. i don't think he's ever had that much cash on hand. just a few years ago, when we were looking at his 20 years of

his tax returns, it looked like he had gotten down below $50 million. and that includes all the cash to operate his businesses and in his personal accounts. the attorney general's office documented that he had said that he had $76.01 year. he told his lenders that in order to meet the requirements of his loans. the attorney general's office said it was actually maybe $44 million. a couple of large influxes since then. mostly from selling assets off already. he continues to shrink. and also from one of the investments in which he has a passive investment, they refinanced that, and that should have brought him money. he testified he had $400 million. even in the best case scenario, if that was true, what we found is that donald trump's businesses tend to eat cash. he previously subsidized that with money from entertainment. that money is gone. if you add 400 million last year, i would say the safe bet is he doesn't now, and he can't expend all of his cash.

it seems inevitable to resolve this, if these decisions hold or he has to put up a bond of this amount, he has to sell assets, and that's a risky thing for him. that he could pose a real threat on his enterprise depending on what gets sold. >> what about his interest in truth social. i know that was valued recently at around $4 billion. >> you know, i'm not up on what has happened with that. is that really true they've got $4 million? i thought that was having a difficult time, just maintaining sort of getting the offering out. i don't think that there's cash there that he could readily access from what we have heard recently. >> i want to talk about the hush money trial, right, because that's in the books. march 25th is when jury selection will begin. this has been often analyzed and viewed as kind of one of the toughest of the four going forward. do you still see it that way?

especially as it's kind of starting us off? >> you know, i don't see it as tough, and i never have, yasmin. i think that there are two sort of issues wrapped up in this case. one is how easily can the charges be proved and the answer to that is pretty easily. it's a paper case. it's very clear that these sort of false entries were made. the manhattan d.a. alleges that they were made in furtherance or in concealment of other crimes. they don't in an interesting quirk of new york law have to say exactly what those crimes were until closer to trial, but they have a lot of options ranging from election interference, to tax violations, and they can use both federal and state crimes. so this is a case that i think will try very well in front of a jury. the second consideration is this an important case. and when alvin bragg first indicted it, a lot of people felt like this wasn't significant. that's not my view.

in my view, for one thing when a former president has so many indictments against him, we're talking about which is the most important one, i think that sort of speaks for itself in different case. this is the origin story for trump's willingness to engage in election interference. it's the eve of the 2016 election. the access hollywood tape has been released. there are questions about trump's attitudes about women, and in that context, he wants to make sure that news about his relationship with stormy daniels, a porn star does not become public as people are beginning to cast their ballots. that's the origin story for this scheme. i think it's a case that the manhattan d.a. will try as one of direct, deliberate interference with an election and voters rights to have access to pertinent information, and when you look at it that way, it's a critically important case. we would not tolerate this conduct from barack obama,

george bush, joe biden, we shouldn't tolerate it from donald trump either. there should be no special rules that give him the benefit of the doubt. >> joyce vance, thank you. russ buettner, lisa rubin, thank you as well. the widow of putin critic, alexei navalny, why russia is hiding his body. and the university of colorado where authorities say a suspect has been taken into custody. we're back in just 60 seconds. y. we're back in just 60 seconds.

welcome back, we're following breaking news out of colorado. police announced they have taken a suspect into custody related to a shooting at the university of colorado. friday morning, two victims, samuel knopp, and celie rain montgomery were found dead. it appears to be an isolated incident.

i want to bring in nbc news correspondent, emilie ikeda. some major developments with this arrest. what do we know? >> reporter: within the last hour or so, and it's understandable why it would bring so much relief to the community as there were so many unanswered questions since the past three days since the double homicide happened. we know the shooting happened around 6:00 a.m. on friday, and it led to the university of colorado, colorado springs to go under lockdown. police say that they still believe, even with this suspect taken into custody earlier this morning, they say they still believe that this was an isolated incident, that this was not just some random attack on the university or other students. the people involved, according to police, knew each other. we're expect to go learn new details soon, including the identity of the suspect, and any potential charges that may come. >> thank you, appreciate it. meanwhile, a small community outside of minneapolis is mourning the loss of two police

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welcome back. so congress is out for presidents' day. lawmakers won't be returning for another two weeks, and when they come back, they're going to have a long list of things to do. lot knot a long time to do them. there's the foreign aid of ukraine, after the death of russian opposition leader navalny. which has delayed aid in the pacific. there's national security legislation, and let's not forget finalizing the 12 appropriation bills they'll need before the next partial government shutdown deadline on march 1st. i want to bring in capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles to talk us through this stuff. the outstanding question for me is if there's a sense of more urgency, ryan, when it comes to aid for ukraine in light of the death of alexei navalny,

especially amongst republicans. we know there's urgency among democrats we have heard that. amongst republicans, is there more of a sense that they can get past now that this has happened? >> the short answer is no. the people that have been insistent that funding needs to flow to ukraine have been insistent about that before the navalny death, enforced that world view. those opposed to it from the beginning have not shifted their opinions in any way, shape or form. that's the biggest stumbling block to getting the legislation on the floor. i believe the consensus that a lot of people have come to that there are probably more members of congress, republican and democrat to want to see ukraine funded, it's not that simple. the bill has to be brought to the floor to see the votes cast. and right now there are strong opponents of the legislation amongst the conservative flank of the republican party, and that is who, you know, mike johnson is most in danger of

removing him from his speaker's post if he runs afoul of them. the navalny death, the national security threat. mike turner, the fact that ukraine continues to suffer on the battlefield, none of that seems to move these conservative republicans that are just insistent they're not going to do anything for ukraine until something is done on the domestic southern border, but in some respects don't ever want to see funding for ukraine. >> what about the appropriations bills? can they get it done in the timing they have, the 48 hours they have from return to deadline? >> it's funny when you look at the calendar, and you wouldn't be alone if you were shocked at the fact that congress left town and gave themselves just a couple of days to get through all sorts of appropriations packages before that first deadline of a partial government shutdown, which is set to expire on march 1st. the short answer to your question, yasmin, is they do not have enough time to get the appropriations packages done in

a fulsome way. it's almost a necessity that they're going to have to pass another short-term spending bill, at least by march 1st, unless there's going to be a partial government shutdown. remember, mike johnson, the speaker of the house said he was never going to pass these sort of continuing resolutions as they're called. they find themselves in a difficult position where every time they extended deadline, no real meaningful progress takes place, and then they find themselves caught up against this deadline again, and i think that's exactly what we're going to see when they return at the end of the month. >> i think you could echo my sentiment in saying not surprised here. ryan nobles for us, thank you, appreciate it. i want to bring in democratic congressman ed case. congressman case represents the state of hawaii and is a member of the problem solvers caucus, a cosponsor of the bipartisan foreign aid proposal that's going to be brought before the house. thanks for joining us on this. i know you had technical difficulties. appreciate you sticking with us through that. you just heard from my colleague ryan nobles talking specifically

first about the ukraine aid, and i want to hear from president biden who spoke from the south lawn earlier today, and kind of putting what is happening with ukraine right now, what has happened with alexei navalny now on the shoulders of republicans and not being able to pass an aid package. let's listen to the president, and then we'll talk. >> they're making a big mistake not responding. look, the way they're walking away from the threat of russia, the way they're walking away from nato. the way they're walking away from meeting our obligations is just shocking. >> so i asked ryan if republicans are more enthused about getting any aid packages passed, considering the death of navalny, he said, no. so what is to be done here? >> well, we have two very acute crises right now. one is at our southern border in particular, and one is whether we're going to defend democracies around the world, including ukraine in particular,

and those two crises are very much interlinked. they're interlinked substantively, they're interlinked politically, and they need to come to the floor of the house in a package because that's what it's going to take for us to try to pass out the aid to ukraine that president biden just referred to. to try to take care of the needs of israel, of taiwan, and also to do what we have to do at the southern border. this is a matter of trying to assemble a coalition, a mainstream coalition until the u.s. house of representatives that can get these bills passed. the senate did a good job, on the supplemental that's before us now, if i had that to vote on, i would vote on it. the reality of the u.s. house of representatives is a different political creature, and you've got to put a package together that can actually work for the mainstream, and mustering majority, and that's what the bill that we did on a bipartisan basis proposes, it proposes a solid solution on both fronts.

president biden is correct on the urgency of ukraine. but what i'm focused on is the practical reality of the u.s. house of representatives and how you muster a bipartisan majority to get a bill passed out of the u.s. house of representatives. >> can you talk about the impact of not getting aid like this passed inside of an election year when you have a leader acting with impunity, like russian president vladimir putin, continuing to advance on the ukrainian military, taking over more and more key cities. taking out opposition leaders like alexei navalny, and other aid packages that have also not passed in addition to both ukraine and israel. >> well, that's absolutely critical that we passed them. and it's absolutely critical that as much as we possibly can, we try to get the election year politics out of it. i know that's a tall order, but it's something that we have to strive for. because if we allow our domestic election politics to drive each

and all of these issues, we're never going to get anywhere, and in fact, that's what we've seen to date. again, looking at the senate, they were able to overcome those election year issues at least enough to get a solid supplemental passed. it's not impossible to do, but you have to apply a matter of political will and a matter of priorities and a matter of saying, look, we're going to be tugged in every which way, the candidates are going to tug us in every which way, we the united states congress, in particular, the u.s. house of representatives at the moment because that's where the critical issue lies. we have to get this job done. now, all of the issues that we have talked about, clearly ukraine is the most urgent, is the most acute. and it is a very very tenuous situation in ukraine right now, the murder of navalny by putin, and that's what it was, a murder, only drives home the point about how dangerous russia today under putin's leadership is, and our allies and friends in munich were asking the basic question, is the united states

going to continue to leave this world, and i think the answer to that has to be yes, and that takes action, not just words. >> we have about 30 seconds, sir. march 1st is the deadline, are we headed toward a government shutdown when we talk about domestic politics? >> i don't think so. i think we are all pretty committed to getting through the appropriations process, the negotiations are going pretty well. obviously we have to jump over some hoops to get there, but i believe not. >> per usual. congressman ed case, if you're home in hawaii, enjoy the weather. >> thank you, sir. >> i am enjoying, thank you. nikki haley's rhetoric on whether or not she'll support donald trump as she turns up the pressure as the president's last remaining challenger. the widow of alexei navalny says the kremlin is covering up her husband's murder, and the fight that she is vowing to continue against russian president vladimir putin. we'll be right back. l be right . . this reminds me of my bike.

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welcome back. the widow of putin's biggest opponent, alexei navalny said the kremlin is hiding her husband's body to cover up his murder. in a defiant video statement posted to you tube, yulia navalnaya vowed to continue her husband's crusade.

continuing the fight in light of her grief. it has been three days since russian authorities announced navalny had died. 400 people have been detained while taking part in public mourning ceremonies. i want to bring in from the donbas region is nbc news chief correspondent richard engel. i know that the russian government, russian president as well, the folks surrounding him have not been very forthcoming about what has taken place and happened with navalny. talk us through what they are saying, and what they're telling navalny's family and his widow now. >> reporter: well, they're telling the family and his widow very little. they are treating them like they have been treating them from the beginning as enemies as adversaries, keeping them in the dark. there is no opposition allowed

in russia. vladimir putin has been in power for nearly a quarter of the century, and navalny has been treated like an enemy of the state. his offices were repeatedly raided. he was arrested numerous times. then he was poisoned, left the country. returned knowing that he could, well, very likely was going to be arrested. was arrested, and throughout all of this process, his lawyers were treated as suspects, several key lawyers were themselves arrested. then when he was transferred from one prison to another, ultimately ended up in this penal colony in siberia, he went missing for several weeks, about 20 days. his lawyers couldn't find him. this was much of the month of december. he was missing. so it's not unusual that his team would be treated badly, treated as an adversary, kept in the dark, and that is what we're seeing right now.

the family is asking for his remains back. his mother is looking for the body with a lawyer. they're not getting information about where the body might be. they're not getting specific information. they went to a morgue near the penal colony where they believed navalny's remains were being kept according to navalny's spokesperson. the family was not allowed to get any information, they were not allowed to stay at the facility. they were physically escorted out the door, and the spokesperson said that what they have been told is that the russian government is keeping navalny's body for the next two weeks to carry out unspecified forensic tests, medical tests which yulia navalny, his widow says is part of a coverup operation that the russians want to keep the family, keep people away, interested parties away from his remains until with their accusation, until any

remains of poison are no longer in his system. >> richard engel for us, thank you, appreciate it. i want to bring in now, "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst, peter baker. peter reported from moscow for four years, important to note that. the timing of this, peter, and i think, you know, this is quite obvious is very circumspect, considering the quote unquote election that will be held for presidency in moscow, and now the death of alexei navalny just really four weeks or so ahead of that election. >> yeah, i mean, look, it's hard to know whether it is intentional or not. obviously we don't know yet whether or not this was an act taken on a specific day, with a specific result in mind or the accumulation of now three years worth of poor conditions in the prison. he was kept in solitary confinement for 300 days, given very little, i don't know,

nourishment, little medical care, so is this simply the result of all of that, or was it acute action taken at this particular time to send a message. whether it was intended to or not, the message that clearly is received is do not mess with the kremlin, do not mess with the stage. as you say, four weeks before the sort of quasi pseudo nonlexi sachs they will hold, putin's kremlin has left the russian public with, you know, an obvious message to hear, which is that opposition to the kremlin is not only pointless, it is dangerous. >> he sent that message, it seems, with the death of yevgeny prigozhin, who advanced on moscow, was at one point a friend of putin, advanced on moscow, and then died subsequently in an airplane crash. this message being sent now, you say it's to the russian public, is it also to countries beyond russia? >> it could be, he's probably thinking a little more

domestically, in a way it is, the message to the outside world is i'm in complete control, but there's nothing you can do about it. president biden three years ago, when he met vladimir putin in geneva said there would be devastating consequences. he knew it was coming. everybody could see it. there's nothing the united states would do about it. he admits there's not much the united states can do about it at this point. it's used many tools in the arsenal because of the invasion of ukraine which took place after the meeting. the options available to the west to do anything in response to navalny's death are relatively limited. putin knows that. putin is doing well from his point of view right now. they just took a key city in ukraine. he had that interview with tucker carlson allowing him to get his message out to the american people, the united states congress is blocking new aid to ukraine. and his favorite candidate, no a matter what he says, his favorite candidate, in the sense of donald trump is doing well in the polls. he's feeling confident right now. >> do you think that the options for the united states are limited? the president was on the south lawn saying they're considering

more sanctions, whether or not sanctions do anything is kind of really i think the bigger question, but aid to ukraine, helping the offensive in ukraine, helping the military in ukraine to fight back against russian opposition. >> yeah, white house officials are hoping that the navalny death gavelizes republicans on the hill, particularly in the house -- >> it hasn't so far, though, it seems. >> it hasn't so far. that's exactly right. they have gone away on a break, a recess. who knows where they will be when they come back. the shock value in today's modern news is fairly ephemeral, it goes away quickly. you heard speaker johnson say it's important to counter putin. it's possible there are ways to get around speaker johnson on the floor, and that may encourage republicans to work with democrats on let's say a discharge position. a discharge petition is a way to get an issue to the floor eventual if the speaker doesn't want it to go there. if they did do that, a lot of people think they can have a

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biden administration over the president's repeated refusal to kale for a cease fire in gaza. rashida tlaib encouraged them to bring the criticisms to the ballot box during next tuesday's primary. >> we feel completely neglected and unseen by our government. if you want us to be louder, come here and vote uncommitted. >> joining us now, nbc news correspondent dasha burns to talk more about this. this is something they want to drive home. they want this point to be made to the biden administration because they want them to make a decision about what's happening between israel and gaza. they're calling for essentially a cease fire by leveling this vote of uncommitted. what more are we learning about these efforts and how much michiganers are on board with it, especially the arab american community. >> talib is a joining a wider effort to do this uncommitted vote, and to be clear, this isn't an effort to sideline biden from the nomination. it is not an effort to hurt him in november, it's an effort to

make their voices heard. she went on to say in that video that it's important to create a voting bloc, something that is a bull horn to say, enough is enough. and it's particularly powerful in michigan because this is a state with a large arab-american population. they have not been happy with how the biden administration has handled this, and remember, michigan is a must win for biden. he won it by a very small margin in 2020. trump won it in 2016, and they're going to michigan to say, hey, we actually have power in a state like this. we could make an impact, so you got to listen. >> can we talk about the impact here because when you think about the arab american vote, right, i believe in 2020, the turnout was 146,000 to 200,000 arab american or muslim american voters. i mean, they turn out. >> they turn out. they can make a difference when the margins are really slim, and states where they tend to be like michigan, the other factor is young progressives, even if they're not arab americans,

young activist democratic voters who also, you know, do tend to turn out are not thrilled with how the biden administration is handling this. they aren't necessarily going to vote for trump, but they might not vote for biden because of this. but he's in a tough spot. look, he would also anger a whole other demographic of people, he decided, you know, we're not supporting israel anymore. he's walking a really fine line here. white house officials did visit michigan earlier this month to speak with -- >> the president didn't go. >> the president didn't go. he went for an auto workers thing. they are taking this seriously. at this point, they are starting to see a number of demographics, arab-americans, young voters, black voters, start to get chipped away. that's not a good position to be in. >> is there any indication the former president is trying to seize on this fissure, this fracture we're seeing? >> yes, all of my sources in trump vote are this, the black vote, the hispanic vote.

they're trying to capitalize on that. >> thank you. i'm heading to michigan in a couple of days. >> you'll have to bring us more reporting, yasmin. we're just five days out from the south carolina republican primary, and former governor and republican candidate nikki haley is facing long odds. at a recent cbs yougov polling puts her 35 points behind former president donald trump. his attention is between outstanding legal fights, and penalties totaling half a billion dollars. and haley says that should be a real concern for voters. >> then he has a court case, and he loses, and then he loses another court case, and he goes on a rant and talks about being a victim. all day every day, look at his rant last night. calling me names and talking about being a victim of court cases. the problem with all of that is that at no point from new hampshire or through these court cases does he ever talk about

the american people. everything he touches we lose. how many more times do we have to lose to realize that maybe he's the problem. >> all right. i want to bring in msnbc political analyst, and former republican congressman, carlos curbelo, who represented the state of florida. thank you, congressman, for joining us on this. appreciate it. 35 point lead in south carolina. right? this is her home state. this was her state. she was governor of this state. can she make up that lead? she said she's going to be there every day up until the primary. any chance here, with this kind of shift in rhetoric that we have been seeing from nikki haley? >> yasmin, we have seen nikki haley get more and more aggressive, but it really does seem like she should have started doing that months ago, not at this late stage of the primary. and even though it's early in the primary process, for her it's late because she's so behind. she's making an electability argument. this is the argument that a lot

of republicans, including ron desantis thought they could convince voters of that donald trump is not an ideal candidate. but the reason they're having trouble making this point is, number one, donald trump just has a lot of support among republican primary voters. they're very passionate about him, and they aren't going to turn away from him that easily. but in a lot of the national polling we're seeing, yasmin, trump is at least competitive, if not ahead of president biden, so this is a difficult argument to make, and i don't think nikki haley is going to convince a sufficient number of people that she's right. >> here's the thing, i think, though, with nikki haley and politics overall, we could talk about this for quite some time, but she was asked outright by abc news yesterday if she would essentially support a trump nomination, right? so she loses, trump gets the nomination, would she endorse donald trump. and she didn't necessarily

outright say no. and i want to listen to what she said, and then we'll talk. >> i don't think he's the right person at the right time. i don't think he should be president. the last thing on my mind is who i'm going to support. the only thing on my mind is how we're going to win this. the only thing on my mind is how we're going to make sure that we correct what's happening in america and we bring this country back together, allow her to heal, and move on in a strong way. i'm not thinking about who i'm going to support in an election. >> but you've already said it. >> we are going to have a female president of the united states. it will either be me or it will be kamala harris. and if donald trump is the nominee for the republican party, he will not win. >> so i get it, she's still onr to outright say that she would support a trump nomination because that would essentially take her out of this race. this is one of the issues i think nikki haley has faced throughout her entire run. she is not outright speaking

against the former president, only in times when it helps her the most, when it's more advantageous for her campaign. >> that's right, yasmin. this is a typical strategy for a lot of republicans, in a sense it's a hedge. nikki haley knows that donald trump is unfit for office, she's pretty much said that on a number of occasions but she doesn't want to disqualify herself for the future. so let's say donald trump goes ahead and wins this nomination, it's still donald trump's party and if she gets labeled as being an anti-trumper, someone who was being disloyal to donald trump, she probably fears that that's going to make it harder for her to be a viable candidate for the presidency or for another office in the future. so this is the hedging that a lot of republicans do. they want to defeat donald trump but at the same time they don't want to get sideways with donald trump and his base. it's a very hard tight wire act to try to pull off and up to

now, i guess, no one has really done it and it doesn't seem like nikki haley is going to be able to pull it off. >> can she survive if she doesn't win her state? >> i think she can stay in the race a little longer but she will have trouble getting the news coverage that a candidate needs in order to be successful, she's also going to start losing some of her fundraising base. it has been pretty were sieve how nikki haley has been able to continue raising funds, despite not winning a state yet, but i think if she gets embarrassed in her home state, we're going to see some of that support start to erode. >> former congressman carlos curbelo, thank you. what we know about the u.s. developing plans to send more weapons to israel and why president biden won't need congress' permission to do it. you're watching msnbc. we will be right back. t. you're watching msnbc. we will be right back. but opdivo plus yervoy is the first combination of 2 immunotherapies for adults newly diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer that has spread, tests positive for pd-l1, and does not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene.

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welcome back. today israel warned that if all hostages are not released by march 10th the beginning of the month of ramadan they will invade rafah, it is gaza's most southern most city where more than a million palestinians are currently seeking refuge from the war. the u.n.'s top court has begun hearings froo the legality of israel's occupation of land sought for a palestinian state. several countries are participating in the hearings. a decision could take months. it's not legally binding. i want to bring in from tel aviv raf sanchez to talk more about what's happening there. i want to talk about the ask

from israel and the possibility of the invasion of rafah. 1.4 million palestinians seeking safety there. living there essentially now because they have had to leave their homes. how realistic is this demand and what would an invasion of rafah actually look like? how could it affect the palestinian people? >> reporter: so, yasmin, in terms of this demand that hamas release all the hostages by the start of ramadan, march 10th, it's not looking likely at all at this point. the hostage negotiations, the ceasefire talks, appear to have completely stalled, you will remember cia director bill burns was in cairo last week, sitting with officials from egypt, qatar and israel and there was real hope that those talks could lead to a break through and instead netanyahu dismissing the plans as delusional, bringing his negotiators to israel saying until hamas changes its demands there's nothing to talk about.

that has caused real anger here. we have seen protests tonight outside the prime minister's residence in jerusalem including the families of some of those hostages saying go back to the negotiating table, stay there, make a deal, bring our loved ones home. instead you've heard prime minister netanyahu repeat his threat to send his forces into the city of rafah as we said, southern most city in gaza, wedged right up against the egyptian border, more than half the population of gaza some 1.4 million people are sheltering there and the warning from the united nations and other humanitarian groups is that it will be a catastrophic loss of life if israel goes into rafah and if we see the kind of combat we've seen in khan yunis, that we've seen in gaza city. israel says rafah is hamas's last bastion, says a number of the hostages are being held there and we did see israeli forces rescue two of the hostages from the city of rafah last week. israel is also saying it will develop a plan to get those

civilians out of harm's way before any attack begins, but what you're hearing from the u.n. and others is there is simply nowhere safe for them to run. >> right. >> reporter: the infrastructure is absolutely devastated, north of rafah there's some talk, oh, maybe they could go sit on a beach to the west of khan yunis, but there is no shelter there, we are in the winter here, and there is real, real concern if israel presses ahead with this assault it will be just devastation on a massive scale. >> so to be clear, 1.4 million palestinians, women, children, people going to sit on a beach possibly amidst an incursion on rafah. what does that even look like without supplies, so many of them starving as well, unbelievable. untenuous situation to say the least. raf sanchez, thank you. appreciate it. that does it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪