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today to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. we are beginning the sour with president joe biden right now fundraising on long island while democrats come to his defense after his debate performance. on friday the new york times editorial board urged biden to drop his re-election bid and called donald trump a significant jeopardy to democracy file this morning, his campaign weighed in. >> i think it's been lost on a lot of reporters that donald trump turned in a performance in which three times he refused to say he would accept the results of the selection. he had three opportunities to say that where he showed exactly who he was in the bullying the yelling, the bragging, all of that was on full display during this debate and i think that the president came across as someone who was interested in issues. >> there was all this

postdebate around latino undecided voters. latino voters overwhelmingly thought that joe biden won the debate because are hearing someone telling the truth. >> i don't know if there is value in the second debate. as you pointed out, i was screaming at the television the entire time. no fact checking, he was allowed to live for 90 minutes and those that serve the president, you know, when he is not debating someone that was actually there to talk about policy and was actually there to talk with all you statements about how he's going to help actual people, real people. >> we are also learning about a meeting that the dnc is holding. it is a call with members at this hour. more on this in just a moment for you. meantime, both candidates at the trail yesterday, the president speaking at a pride event in new york. >> we are in a battle for the soul of america when i look at

round up the pride, hope and life that all of you bring, i know it is a battle we are going to win and continue to make progress. lgbtq+ people are some of the most inspiring people i know. >> many people are saying that after last nights performance that joe biden is leaving the race. but, the fact is, i don't really believe it because he does better in polls than any of the democrats they're talking about. >> meantime, after weeks of waiting, the supreme court is set to rule on donald trump's immunity on monday, the same day steve bannon is set to report to prison, the supreme court rejecting a bid to delay the sentence. >> i'm serving my country right now is a political prisoner in danbury starting on monday. it has no -- it will not change the show. it will not change our impact. it will not change me.

>> we have a number of reporters in place ready to unpack all the headlines for us. we started with nbc's erin gilchrest. >> our team has been able to confirm that the democratic national committee is holding a call that should be happening now or starting any moment now to talk about the path forward and that really is in the sense of reassuring although leadership both at the state level, at the national level, and lower levels that they are all on the same page. as we understand from the biden campaign official, there will likely be biden campaign officials participating in this and this is something the campaign wanted to do to continue communicating with the larger party apparatus. we talk often about the biden- harris campaign but really, this is a coordinated democratic party effort across the country that we see happening. obviously with the biden-harris campaign at the top, but there are state and congressional races, local races where the

campaigns touch and share resources and finances, things of that sort, so this call is something that would allow for the biden campaign, the dnc leadership, state party officials to get together and have a conversation about what is happening and about their desire to move forward. we know the biden campaign has said the debate on thursday night was not the performance they wanted to see the president have, but everybody at the biden campaign is really talking about the reality of moving forward. the president is going to continue to fight. as the president said, when you get knocked down, you get back up and that is what the campaign is doing and messaging and encouraging other members of the party to do. we saw one of the president's advisers at the white house here earlier today talking about just that, the idea that the president wants to focus on issues, not necessarily a debate performance, and move forward with getting a message

out to the american people. >> i thought barack obama put it best yesterday, and i well remember being onsets like this in 2012 after the first debate that he conducted. he has had bad debates happen and bad debates do happen. good debates happen. as the president said yesterday, maybe he is not as great a debater as he used to be. i would just tend to say it was not his greatest debate, but it is 90 minutes in a campaign and in an administration where he has achieved enormous things, so maybe it was not a great debate, but he has been a great president. >> that is the message the campaign wants to continue putting out there. they also leaned very heavily into the idea that donald trump was on stage thursday night telling lie after lie. the campaign has made that point. president biden has made that point and will continue to make that point and say that he knows the truth, president biden does, and that he is telling the truth and

presenting ideas that will help all americans in comparison to the message out there that says donald trump is out to help himself. >> and going to also add that the new york editorial board made that point about donald trump's lies, that he is a danger. real quickly gone this call is the dnc chair, jamie harrison. he is the one who is called this and expect biden campaigns to be joining this. >> we do expect of the leadership of the biden-harris campaign and at the dnc to be a part of this call and that the state level, as well. we don't know name for name whose participating, but leadership certainly we know there are senior members of the biden administration who have been talking to other leadership figures within the administration about staying the course, about we will get past this speedbump.

the campaign has said you know what, the campaign is really focusing on the long-term picture here, not just looking at what happened over 90 minute debate on one night, but really trying to talk about what's going to happen over the next hundred or so days before the election and how they can get their message out. >> okay, aaron gilchrist, thank you for that. let's go to washington for we have been tracking donald trump's moves since the debate. the former president seems to be taking a victory lap. what has he been telling voters? >> that's right. the former president changing up the opening of his stump speech in virginia yesterday to focus on his debate performance. he is casting the debate and the entire 2024 election in terms of strength versus weakness, and there is some pulling out this month to

backup that argument for now. among registered voters, 66% described trump as tough but only 28% said the same thing about president biden, but he was careful to avoid saying biden is too old to run again. trump himself is obviously just a few years younger than the president. instead, he said he thinks biden is no longer up to the job. trump again emphasizing yesterday, he thinks the problem is not biden's age, it is his competence. >> despite the fact that crooked joe biden spent the entire week at camp david resting, working, studying, he studied very hard. he studied so hard that he did not know what he was doing. he got the debate rules that he wanted. he got the date that he wanted. he got the network that he wanted with the moderates he wanted. no amount of rest could help him defend his atrocious record. it's not defensible. >> but, trump brushed off speculation that biden might drop out of the race in the next few weeks, suggesting he is still fully better than other democratic candidates

like vice president kamala harris and even michelle obama. >> thank you for that. we are going to go back to breaking news and bring in eugene daniels, political analyst and co-author of the political playbook. are you aware of this call the dnc is holding right now across the country, state leadership. do you know what they're talking about? >> i think aaron was right, that this is about combing the waters, getting the party behind the message that the biden campaign has been saying even barack obama is saying, bill clinton is saying, the grand pooh boz, as it were, of the democratic party saying chill out. also, this is the guy. the conversation about replacing him is not helpful but we are going to get you back together and get you excited about the future of this campaign. it's only 90 minutes out of an entire campaign. that is the message i'm hearing they're going to be talking about. >> i'm getting some word from mike manley, who of course follows the biden campaign pretty routinely.

it sounds to me like what they are saying is folks, we are not playing defense here and we are getting this again from mike and a campaign official is saying with this is a check in. we are here to reassure members. it's happening because the campaign wants to communion -- continue communications with the full party apparatus and say we are the ones that are driving this right now. they're not letting the narrative out there in the media and across the country since thursday night drive what is going to be going forward with this campaign so it is important again dnc officials, state party officials. we don't believe donors are on this call so that is something to note, as well. it is an internal dnc call so as we get more information, we will go with that but i want to go with what you reported, which is that very quickly into the debate, democrats were

expressing their concerns. the talk very quickly turned to biden needing to step aside. there was a prominent operative who said time for an open convention. are you surprised at the alacrity of this, such a quick radical reaction, when this was not being seriously talked about before, or were people waiting for a reason, to be able to say it out loud? >> i think there are some people who are waiting to say it out loud. for those of us that watch president biden all the time you know, we have seen him stumble. he is a stutterer, so it gets harder to find words sometimes as you get older, but this was kind of an extreme case, and i think there may have been some people waiting to say it, waiting for the right opportunity but a lot of people were saying it out of fear, the people i was texting with during the debate. as reporters, you do that all the time before the debate, during the debate, after. you have to gauge how people are feeling and it is like

different crews at different times and people were scared. it was not a sense of we don't like joe biden, he has to go. there were a lot of people who are like oh my god, i can't believe this is happening, people not understanding what he was saying in the points you could talk about really the democrats best issue which is reproductive access, he started talking about his worst issue which is immigration so you have people who were terrified. i was not surprised at the speed. i have been a little bit surprised at how many people have been saying it over the amount of time, the breadth of it has been really interesting. >> in the context of this call again, it's not an emergency call, this is not a scramble call, just one that says hey, we are still on top of this. it is a check in. sure, they're going to address what happened on thursday and how to spin the narrative and change the feelings going forward, but people are talking about biden actually being replaced on the ticket. how strong is that possibility and is there even an obvious

replacement? >> i mean, first of all, just because you say something is an emergency, just because you say we are not on the defense that doesn't make it true. when me and my boss have an unscheduled check in, it's not because everything is going great, it's because you have to figure something out. one of us got something to say, but that is what they're trying to do and they're trying to do it to reassure people. whether or not you can actually replace president biden, we have to remember the timeline they are working with is not august. it does not seem to be the convention because of this ohio date, he does seem to have to be nominated earlier so that he can be on the ballot in ohio. we don't actually know when that date is going to be something are not actually going to august. they don't have a lot of time so that makes it pretty difficult.

the most difficult aspect of this is that in the polling we've seen up until this point, there is no clear person who could be, both before the debate and after, no one is beating donald trump and pulling more than joe biden is losing. you have similar polling or less for any of the names being put out there including vice president harris, so there have to be polls that say gretchen whitmer, josh shapiro, kamala harris would beat donald trump. that is what the people believe, for there to be a real movement, because if there is no actual benefit to the chaos that would come with an open convention are people going to president biden saying you have to step aside, there is no real reason for them to do it at this point, and that polling has not happened yet. >> last question. should there be a second debate, and if so, all the rules that were supposed to be in place to favor joe biden -- muted mics, no audience, should this just be thrown out the window and let trump be trump? >> i think there should be

multiple debates. i thought three was great. as a reporter and people -- person who believes the american people deserve to hear from these people multiple times and have that contrast so they can make a well-informed decision as we get closer to november, that is an important part of the process. there are people in the biden camp were looking back at having the debate in june, which was their choice before the nominating contest, before the nominating actually happened was maybe not the best decision and more importantly, president biden does well with the crowd. we've seen him actually engage with folks better in that way, so the thing they were trying to keep was resident trump

having people clapping for him but having president biden give that back and forth also seem to be really important. i haven't heard any real conversation about those rules changing in september. they have agreed to it so there's no reason to think that the truck folks would accept any changes at this point because it worked out for them. >> okay, eugene daniels. thank you so much. meantime, unpacking the most astonishing comment made by donald trump at thursday night's debate. we are back in 90 seconds. boring does. boring makes vacations happen, early retirements possible, and startups start up. because it's smart, dependable, and steady. all words you want from your bank. for nearly 160 years, pnc bank has been brilliantly boring so you can be happily fulfilled... which is pretty un-boring if you think about it. sometimes your work shirt needs to be for more than just work. like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, fresher, and better. downy. breathe life into your laundry. an alternative to pills, voltaren is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel,

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>> how many billions of dollars do you owe in civil penalties for molesting a woman in public, for doing a whole range of things, of having sex with the porn star while your wife was pregnant? what were you talking about? you have the morals of an alley cat. >> i didn't have sex with the porn star. >> donald trump's legal troubles and 34-count hush money felony conviction comes up as expected. joining me now, krista greenberg, former federal prosecutor and deputy head of the terminal division and one of our favorite msnbc legal analyst. what's with the repeated denials? didn't people testify under oath that this actually happened? didn't the jury consider it when finding him guilty on all 34 felony counts? >> of course they did, but this is donald trump somehow, right? the best defense is a good offense. he's going to deny his crimes and blame everybody else. during that debate he blamed the judge, blame the prosecutors, blame joe biden,

linda riggs system. all of those things were to blame for him losing that criminal trial but he lost because he was guilty as sin. there was very clear evidence here that he paid a porn star hush money to prevent her from saying what joe biden said, that he cheated on his wife after she had just given birth to their son, then he covered it up and if that had come out, you may not have won the election in 2016 so that evidence is pretty clear. i don't even think there was anybody on either side really who does buttes -- disputes he had sex with stormy daniels. even if you hear people on fox news talking, they are saying

that happens so there's not much of a dispute there but this is what he does. he denies, he blames others. he always plays the victim card and it's a losing hand. >> one big ruling from the supreme court yesterday struck down an obstruction charge that will impact cases against hundreds of accused and convicted january 6th rioters as well as potentially an obstruction charge against trunk, narrowing it, is the way we've been coming to understand that. what is your interpretation of the ruling? >> the supreme court held that in order to prove that a defendant has obstructed the congressional proceeding, the government has to establish that the defendant impaired the availability or integrity of things, documents, records, objects. things to be used in that proceeding. here, there is an official proceeding. they plainly used documents. they were counting electoral votes, actual documents, so that is not the dispute. as to this particular defendant, he is charged with trespass and assaulting a law enforcement officer, so he successfully halted the counting of those things, of those votes. they were not available to be counted, so when this case, under this new narrowing of the

statute gets sent back to the lower court, i expect that he will still be convicted even under this new standard based on what he did, and as for donald trump, the conduct is even clearer, that he obstructed that official proceeding, because not only did he stop the count of the real electoral votes, but was actually responsible and he is charged with procuring fake electoral certificates, so i think donald trump, under even this narrowing of the statute, the charges as stated in the indictment by jack smith will go forward. >> let's look at monday, the last possible day of this term for the supreme court to rule on trump's claims of absolute immunity, or is it? because justice roberts yesterday said all remaining opinions ready will be announced. does this leave the door open in case it is not ready? >> i think we will see the opinion on monday.

again, they have had months now to write this opinion. i think it would be unprecedented for them to hold this over and say it is not ready. they've waited till the last day of the term. i've been saying for weeks that they would wait till the last day of the term, i sat on this program weeks ago that this is what they would do because it's going to be a controversial decision and they want to hightail it out of there as soon as it drops. >> what do you think? how is it going to come down? >> they're not going to say is completely immune from prosecution. there also not going to say he is subject to criminal prosecution for all official acts which is what the lower court in d.c. appeals court has said. it's going to be in the middle. they said their writing a rule for the ages so they're going to write a rule for they distinguish what is in the fictional -- and official act where the official act will get immunity from prosecution from

a personal act. they're going to draw the line as to how that should be interpreted and send it back down the line to be interpreted based on the axe in the indictment and the reason they will say they are doing this is they're going to come down hard on the prosecutors. they're going to say that there are prosecutors who could act in bad faith to go after a political rival and we have to protect former presidents from these rogue prosecutors. you've heard that theme a lot from multiple judges in the oral argument. >> we shall see. you've been pretty much right so far so we have until monday to prove you're right. two headlines to show you, both from 2012. the first, not debatable. the then president's first debate pandas a weak performance in the second headline says when ronald reagan blew a presidential debate and dropped seven points in the polls, you know how the story ended.

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again, breaking news on decision 2024, nbc news reporting that the dnc was right now holding a call with members at this hour in an effort to reassure them. this comes as president biden and former president trump are out on the campaign trail after facing off in the first debate thursday night, biden holding campaign events today on long island and in new jersey following a rally in north carolina on friday where he pushed back undemocratic worries over his unsteady debate performance and calls for him to drop out of the race. trump, meanwhile, gloating over biden's debate performance at a rally in virginia on friday where he repeated many of the false claims he made on the debate stage.

>> biden is using the weaponization of his justice department, the fbi, local district attorneys and attorneys general to try and win an election against his political opponent. that happens to be me. do you know who i am? every one of those things last night you saw that was all started by this guy, this crooked guy. just so bad in so many ways. >> i know how to do this job. i know how to get things done. and, i know like millions of americans know, when you get knocked down, you get back up. >> joining me now, atlantic staff writer tom nichols. good to see you here. let me quickly ask you about your take on the dnc: the way right now with members of the biden campaign, leadership, as well. it has been described -- it is not a scramble, not an emergency. it is a check in. the point was made by eugene daniels that you know, if your boss calls you and you don't have an agenda, you are getting a call, there might be

something more to it than just a check in. >> i loved eugene's comment on that. i had to chuckle. i've never had a boss can donna say listen, i'd like you to stop by my office for a moment just as i want to tell you how everything is going. so you know, clearly they have to call some jangled nerves and there are to be jangled nerves. it was a bad night. how jangled, and what they should do next? they're probably talking about a lot of that right now but it makes sense that after a moment like that, you're going to get everybody on the phone and say, you know, let's have a discussion and let people err -- i'm sure there is some venting going on. i'm sure there is some handholding going on, and there ought to be. there certainly should be some questions about who prepared this, who is responsible for some of the stuff the president went out there with, you know, those are reasonable questions

that professional political operatives will ask, and they deserve answers. >> let's take a look at your latest newsletter in which you write that until now, you have been critical of calls for president biden to step down and if the choice in november is between biden and a man whom you believe is a mentally unstable menace to democracy, you won't think twice about your vote but then you go on to say that after thursday's debate, you're no longer sure biden is electable. we are less than two days now away from that debate. what could shift your mind-set on that front? could it be another rally like we saw in north carolina? could be sustained rallies like that over the next hundred days. >> i haven't -- you know, the newsletter i wrote was kind of anguished because i have not really figured out where i would come down. i am the guy that for three years now, has been writing

biden is doing okay. you don't success -- replace successful incumbents. even in the piece i say every time i get asked what next, i freeze because i think replacing joe biden with kamala harris does not really solve your electability problem and i'm not sure, which is why i phrased it that way, i'm not sure about his electability but i think it is reasonable, as people are probably doing right now on the conference call with the dnc, i think it is reasonable to ask those questions. what did snap polling show, what did internal polls show, what is the president's reaction to this, you know, what are we seeing around the country because electability, and i think this is something a lot of americans, particularly a lot of loyal partisans have a problem with -- electability is not about how good of a job you have done. it is not about whether you are qualified. it is not about whether you should have the job. it's whether you can be elected. and, once that starts to wear away, electability is really,

you know, a depleting asset once it starts to dissolve. you have a real problem, and i think that performance debate, which really was organized around one thing, right? this is not the same as the reagan debate. it's not the same as obama in 2012. this was meant to answer one specific worry that a lot of people have about joe biden, and he failed to do that. can he recover from that? yeah. i've not been part of the course that says it's over. he has to step down, it's done, but i think these are perfectly reasonable questions to ask, and i will add one other thing. the kind of people who don't want to ask these questions and say everything is fine, the candidate is perfect, that is

trumps people. that's how they react when their candidate goes off the rails. i think it's healthy. one of my colleagues at the atlantic wrote a piece saying this is the sign of a healthy party to have this argument to say what happened, what are we going to do about it? >> in terms of how we got here and having to have this discussion, you noted that despite being shaky and incoherent during the debate, at that postdebate watch party biden attended, he appeared sharp and energized, so some say biden was over prepared for the debate and got tripped up by trying to communicate too many policy details. they did not let joe be joe in the way he typically communicates with people. is that a fair assessment? do you agree with that? >> i was tweeting during the debate and what i wrote in the newsletter afterward. this this was the way he was prepped, it is egregious political malpractice, and that everybody involved in prepping the president for that debate should get a trip to the woodshed at the very least.

it is -- i have worked for three politicians in my life, including a u.s. senator. i mean, you just, in this kind of a dustup with a deranged bully, you don't send your guy out there with instructions to remember to talk about pell grants and celsius temperature climate targets in these like that, so you know, the let reagan be reagan, let biden be biden approached, that kept occurring to me all night long that i kept wondering if this was a good idea. >> let me ask you quickly. the president was endorsed this week by two gop leaders, former congressman adam kinsinger and jeff duncan, both making a direct appeal to republican voters, put country over party. cast your ballot for biden. are you surprised more anti- trump republican lawmakers have

not come out to support biden? >> no, and we talked about this issue so many times. there is just this huge streak of cowardice among people who somehow think they can oppose trump, but maintain their viability in the republican party downstream if they just keep their heads down, and you know, if you really believe there is an existential threat to democracy then you really need to do what adam and jeff duncan have done, and speak up, but that is not the way a lot of these republican electeds think. >> okay, always good to see you and have a chat. will they almost thick, and do they have amnesia about the former president? the questions about a key voting block each presidential candidate needs. ng block each l candidate needs.

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voters under 30 are paying attention to the presidential race right now and have think the candidates' ages make them unable to understand young people. joining me now is the president of next-gen america, christina simpson-ramirez. it's good to see you again. after thursday night's debate you released a statement renewing next-gen's commitment to president biden. we heard trump spew nothing but dangerous lies in revisionist history for biden to find a clear stance on corporate greed, abortion rights and climate justice. is that the take away from young voters with whom you have spoken? did biden's age and the related shortcomings during the debate, did that raise alarms for them? >> i think a lot of young voters walked away feeling like the debate was a really missed opportunity. a lot of them did not tune in and what they did see was on social media but there were questions that young people care about that trump did not answer about childcare costs,

about the opioid epidemic, did not answer those questions at all, something that hundreds of thousands of people are suffering with real addiction to opioids and what they needed to hear from the biden campaign, they heard some of, but not fully. young people turned out in record numbers to help elect joe biden, and they needed to hear about how when they turn out in record numbers, he had heard their calls and the student debt crisis, climate change and gun safety and has delivered substantial policy wins greater than any other president in my lifetime to young people, so there were really clear missed opportunities but when it comes down to the core issues that young people care about -- climate change, lgbtq equality, racial justice, the growing inequality between the top 1% and the rest of us, it is clear that there is only one candidate in this race for them and that is joe biden. >> you know, during the debate, trump spewed his usual falsehoods about immigration

saying among other things, migrants entering the u.s. come from prisons and insane asylums. president biden is trying to reverse his or standing over his handling of immigration. he endorsed a bipartisan proposal with tough border restrictions and took executive action to limit asylum-seekers. give me a sense of where immigration places in the level of importance to young voters and do they distinguish between biden and trump actions on it? >> i think that's a really good question because while we are seeing immigration as a top issue for younger voters, it's not such a top issue, and younger people have of you that there is a recognition that we are a country that has been built by immigrants, that depends on immigrants and a lot of young people are like me, a lot of our growth has come from immigrant populations. i am the proud daughter of an irish american and a mexican immigrant so i have a viewpoint that recognizes that, so when i hear trump talk about -- he didn't talk about it in this

debate because he was trying to be more approachable and more moderate but about the cleansing of the blood of migrants poisoning the blood, he is really hitler-esque comments about the black and brown majority that does not resonate with young people. it really is a turnoff to them. >> hears what might be resonating. three quarters of voters under 30 say the economy is the number one issue. many feel president biden's failed to bring down inflation and housing costs and overwhelmingly feel it is harder to attain the american dream. how are you getting the message to young voters that biden is delivering on the economy? >> i think young people are rightfully upset not just about the current economic situation but the fact that there the first economic -- generation in history to be worse off than

their parents. the idea of owning a home feels almost totally unattainable for the vast majority of young americans and the economic model for trickle-down economics was supposed to be -- benefit everyone, most people don't buy at this point but what biden does talk about, building an economy from the bottom does resonate. this is a generation were 88% of young people support labor unions. most and people want to tax the rich their fair share. there is only one candidate that believes in equal pay for equal work for women so if biden can lean on and speak to those policies that the vast majority of young people support, tackling economic injustice versus more tax giveaways for the top 1% like trump believes in, that is how he will get this youth vote. >> there are some first-time voters this go around it may not recall the chaos of the

trump white house. they were busy trying to finish up high school and get themselves into college. what are the challenges motivating disillusioned young voters who may not fully understand misdeeds of the trump presidency? >> when we talk about a plea classes, imagine if you are a first-time voter, 18 years old, you were 10 years old when donald trump was first elected to the presidency so you probably had good parents that shielded you from hearing the sounds of crying babies being ripped from their mothers at the border, the site of heather heyer being run over by a white supremacist, and charlottesville our president at the time called some very fine people and that he liked to grab women by the blank. we do see when young people learn about the track record of donald trump and who he is, they clearly will vote for democrats and joe biden so it is our job as the largest youth vote organization to reach millions of young people and most of them start tuning in about 10 weeks before the election, so we have a lot of

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still just a lot of debris and cleanup is what you're seeing happening right now. the suv was towed away and what you have here is a number of members of this community stopping and putting flowers here outside of this nail and spa that we are told was a staple of this community, another headline that is really tragic. we are finding out from the nypd that an off-duty officer who was getting her nails done for an event was among the victims that were killed. four people in total here, including some of the employees here. we were told that the officer was familiar run hack of the 100 and [ inaudible ] precinct. authorities are saying the person accused of this horrific tragedy was a 67-year-old drunk driver by the name of steven scheu wally.

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it's been a year since a landmark decision by the supreme court struck down affirmative action and a new msnbc film documents that story. "admissions granted" follows the origins of a case brought by some asian-american students who says they were discriminated against by harvard admissions policies. the film debuts tomorrow night at 9:00 on msnbc. joining me now are the directors of the film. this case was divisive within the asian american community. how has making this film affected your views on affirmative action in any role asian americans may have had in striking it down, and has it extended to affecting relationships with friends or family? >> thank you so much for having us. we started working on this film

because we were witnessing and hearing all the different. -- opinions within the asian american community and we wanted to dive in and learn more about this discrimination in the case and also affirmative action so the two were intertwined but it was also confusing and we learned really so much just by digging through and learning the history of affirmative-action and the divisions within the asian american community, so that is part of what we learned . >> let's play some reactions coming from the film to the ruling. >> do you think your race helped you get in or do you think it was because you got to

check two boxes? this question of did you get in just because of your race came up a lot of people feel very comfortable just asking that. >> i was pretty angry. >> while we affirm how important diversity is, if you get rid of affirmative-action you are actually taking away racial justice. you are actually trying to bring back can i say the word? segregation. >> what do you say to minority students who say now a year after this decision that racial justice has regressed? >> i think that's definitely a concern. what we are trying to do with this film is trying to present both sides of the argument around complex issues involving the affirmative-action debate but also to provide opportunities for both sides to be able to sit down together and have a discussion about the issues and be able to find a way forward because right now the supreme court has reconsidered college admissions but there were many other ways like expanding the outreach effort at the university of california and other ways we

are trying to adopt, continue to expand diversity. >> can i ask you how because i know you had extensive discussions with the driving force behind affirmative-action challenges in courts nationwide. in the workplace, where do those challenges stand. >> right now after the supreme court issued its ruling last year, we definitely have witnessed a lot more legal challenges against efforts in both public and private sectors, and we definitely think this is going to continue because the supreme court has established some new legal rationales around how to consider this in your workplace and employment and potentially voting rights. >> what you want viewers to take away from this film? what do you want folks to take

away from this? >> i think as we were saying, but since the very beginning of the song, it is been intentions road and now that we've started doing in-person screenings, we can see there are different opinions and we really want people to be able to come together and listen and discuss and really give a space for people to think more provocatively about what this means and where we can go from here know that race cannot be considered. which to do that, for those people who will watch this and do so with their family, friends, colleagues and the like. i want to thank you both for joining us. for all of you, you can certainly watch admissions granted a sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. congratulations you guys on this film. that will do it for me. see you at 1:00 tomorrow. up yonext, the beat weekend.