>> we just reported last week that the number of migrants crossing the border in june was at the lowest point at any time, any month in the biden presidency. the last time it was at this number was january 2021 when the administration switched over to biden. that's something that the biden administration is saying that they are crediting the new asylum policy, the one put in place in early june that restricted how many people, specifically those who crossed illegally, if they can claim asylum. >> julia ainsley, thank you very much. appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can watch clips from our show on youtube. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," president biden on the world stage as the nato summit opens in washington. he forcefully pushes back

against democratic calls to step aside. as the white house physician releases a statement explaining why a parkinson's specialist made eight visits to the white house over eight months. joining me, one of the democratic lawmakers calling for the president to exit the race. >> he has to step down. he can't win. my colleagues need to recognize that. also, former president trump is back on the campaign trail tonight, as he teases delaying his vice presidential choice until next week's convention. keeping the focus on the democratic disarray. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. president biden is getting ready to host dozens of world leaders later today at the nato summit. a major test as he attempts to prove that he can still do his job amid calls from within his own party to pull out of the

race for president. now the white house is attempting to answer new questions about the president's health and medical care. the white house doctor insisting in a new letter released last night that mr. biden has been seen by a neurologist as part of his annual physicals. in february, his last physical showing no signs of stroke or multiple sclerosis or parkinson's. official logs do show that that parkinson's expert from walter reed visited the white house eight times in eight months. the white house insisting he visits in support of thousands of active duty military members who are assigned to support white house operations. the specialist has not responded to nbc's request for comment. nbc news cannot confirm why the doctor was at the white house. the president trying to turn the page now with the backing of both the congressional black caucus and the hispanic caucus. he is trying to reframe the race, telling top donors, we are done talking about the debate.

it's time to put trump in the bull's eye. nine congressional democrats have called publicly for thes reto drop out. party members ranging from non-committal to riding with biden today after a high-stakes caucus meeting this morning. >> are you all on the same page? >> no. >> what do you mean? >> not even the same book. >> we are very unified. >> biden is our nominee. biden is the man the voters chose. >> do you have to -- >> he is our nominee. >> what was the consensus? >> riding with biden. >> we are riding with biden. >> did anyone mention -- >> we are riding with biden. >> was there a conversation about vice president harris? >> there's no consensus right now. there are members who expressed concerns, gave voice to those concerns.

there were members who expressed concerns about making a switch and what that would entail. a lot of people are having these discussions in private, even though there are a few that have gone public with our concerns. >> we begin with monica alba, ryan nobles, matt visor and ben rhodes. ryan, starting out with you on the hill, what was the major takeaway from this morning's democratic caucus meeting from the people leaving? it sounded as though it's not over but that the president has certainly, with his defiance, quieted the growing calls for him to step aside. >> reporter: i think your assessment is correct. for the white house, heading into monday morning, they were dealing with a category 5 hurricane. perhaps this has been reduced to a strong tropical storm. i do think that the democrats you saw emerging from that

meeting aren't being completely honest about what the current is within the democratic party, at least privately. yes, they are unified. unified in the idea that they want to beat donald trump. they are far from unified in the idea that joe biden is the best person to do that. they find themselves in a very difficult position here, because there are real concerns about whether he is up to the challenge of taking on donald trump over the next couple of months, an even serving as president over the next four years. they also sense that sense of defiance from the white house. with joe biden being the only person who can decide whether or not he is the nominee, that they aren't willing to have this public, drawn-out fight that would force him to leave the race. right now, they are in a sense of suspended animation to a certain extent. they are trying to figure out what the next couple of days are going to look like. many of the democrats that i talked to are pointing to the press conference the president has later in the week during the nato summit as an opportunity to

show that he has the ability to continue on in this fight. that's why you hear a lot of them using the language of, waiting until the weekend. one thing is clear here, while many of them are talking about sticking behind biden if he is our nominee, we will support him, we are not seeing this full-throated endorsement from many democrats. they seem to be caveating many of their statements saying that while they support the nominee that they have concerns, that voters have concerns. it's leaving the president twisting in the wind here over these next couple of days, which cannot be good if he is going to be the nominee and take on donald trump. >> monica, does the white house believe the president has done enough? he waited too long. but has he done enough now to quiet the naysayers? it's a terrible situation for them to be waiting until the weekend, which is only days before the start of the republican national convention. they don't want to be changing the top of the ticket during the rnc.

>> reporter: to continue ryan's metaphor of a political storm here, certainly the emergency response to all of that is still ongoing. that is why you have seen the president up his outreach to members of his party in the last couple of days. you saw that with, of course, those calls yesterday to some of the top dollar donors, to key members of the congressional black caucus. there have been private calls going on behind the scenes that are aimed at trying to really get into and tap into that anxiety and try to have the president communicate this message that, yes, many sources that i have spoken to say, where was this exactly a week ago? why did it take a little while for him to get to this position of more public confidence like we have seen in the last 24 hours? he will continue that outreach, i'm told, tonight when he calls democratic mayors. if you are seeing the strategy go from a larger perspective to

more micro level, trying to make sure he is reaching these key constituencies at every single level. he will take questions from the group. he did that yesterday. then, of course, you point to nato, where he will have remarks today that will likely, of course, be on teleprompter and scripted to kick off a global summit like this one. everybody is looking ahead to thursday, where he will have a solo news conference, which he hasn't had in washington or at the white house in nearly two years. it's significant that he is going to be doing that and taking that number of questions that, of course, are unscripted and will be a moment that everybody is watching as a test test. if we look at the network interview, the other bookend to that is this major presser.

things have been raised about his health and about the questions that yesterday the white house didn't completely close the door on until the president's own personal physician released that letter late last night indicating that the president had last been evaluated for anything related to potential parkinson's back in february during his physical and that he hasn't seen a neurologist outside of those three times, that would have been a part of the examination that the white house has read out in real time. >> matt, you wrote about the biden bubble. it's interesting to me, you were writing about the fact that he is taking such strength and evidence from the rallies in north carolina, wisconsin, pennsylvania. saying, i have big crowds. that sounds almost trumpian. it's an isolated fact of the

supporters around him that's not telling him the real picture of where voters might be. >> yeah. what he has been seeing -- i was with him over the weekend, which was a pivotal moment for him as he arrived for this crucial week. he was seen cheering crowds. he was at a black church singing. >> in philadelphia. i know the neighborhood. >> a key church. a key constituency for him. he said in the interview that only the lord could convince him otherwise. it was interesting that he is spending a lot of time in church and being reaffirmed. he left those events feeling energized. he was working like we have not seen him do for about an hour speaking to people. as you point out, it's a small subset. it's people who are coming to these events, who are supporting him. but he is largely ignoring a lot

of the polling. we have some new polling today illustrating the gap between where he is at and where some of the senate candidates are at in battleground states. in wisconsin, i think he is dismissing the polls. he is dismissing some of the concerns among some of his party members and retreating in a way to areas of support that he has had throughout his political career. it's notable the congressional black caucus and congressional hispanic caucus are coming to his aid right now and supporting him at a key moment. i think he is taking support from that, sort of the optimism looking at a pessimistic party at the moment. >> that would be, on a different level, like donald trump talking about the maga base. >> yeah. he is retreating that the most ardent supporters he has. he is taking comfort in the

signs and people wearing joe biden shirts and cheering him. he is looking at hundreds of people, not thousands at the moment. >> ben rhodes, "the wall street journal" is reporting the president didn't show up at a 2023 meeting with german officials, an early evening meeting. secretary blinken was there. there have been other examples where he went early to bed at major events, g7. this has been telling for a while. now you have the nato leaders here. they seem eager to reinforce and support him. they are very worried about donald trump, as you know. at the same time, they are all talking amongst themselves. >> yeah. it's a bit like the democratic party where you have had private concerns expressed by european officials for some time.

it is spilling out since the debate. the reality is the nato summit, this is the topic of discussion one, two, three. there's an agenda. there's a lot of work to be done that revolves around the summit. but in terms of the hallway conversations, the meetings leaders will have on the sidelines, they will watch this very closely. that's not just because they are interested political observers. it's because the topics at nato depend on what happens in the u.s. election. obviously, the first substantive topic is support for ukraine. nobody, nobody in europe -- you know this. nobody believes in europe that if donald trump is elected that the united states is going to sustain the level of support it provided to ukraine. they expect trump to cut that off or dial it back significantly. there's concerns trump might withdraw u.s. support for nato as an alliance. the political outcome in the united states is inextricably

tied to all the issues discussed at nato. i think candidly, there are concerns in europe and asia about the likelihood of a trump victory. i'm sure it has been magnified in the days since. as he is trying to quiet concerns on capitol hill, president biden will have to be quieting concerns among allies, mostly all of them want him to win or want donald trump to lose. he will be addressing those concerns as well as nato. >> there are other concerns. there's a lot of talk here in washington, even in the run-up to nato, about china. the china relationship with vladimir putin arming not with weapons but with money, with material supply, with technology, with dual-use supplies, arming putin, and that that is a growing problem. there are opportunities in gaza to finally get this potentially

resolved with the iranian election. iran is 90% grade weaponized you are -- uranium. israel as well. now there's someone elected who is talking about wanting to get rid of sanctions and wanting to call off some of these paramilitary groups. >> there's a lot of challenges and opportunities out there. they all connect to the election, again. we have seen china continue to provide this life line to russia and its economy. you have modi in russia today, even after the bombing of a children's hospital in kyiv.

you have orban visiting russia. you have these collection of strongmen who many of whom would like a trump victory. then you see nato allies who don't want to see a trump victory. you see these different countries and you take iran, there's an opportunity in the election of someone who clearly wants to re-enter some nuclear agreement to get out from under sanctions. the likelihood of any real breakthrough happening is tiny. they know the iranians know that if donald trump wins, it's less likely the u.s. would stick to that. there's a lot of balls spinning in the air. it's remarkable how many of them revert back to this question of what is going to happen in american politics in the next four months. >> what a time for a summit to be held in washington, which was supposed to be celebratory, and for president biden to be going through this, for america to be going through this. monica, ryan, matt, and ben, thanks to all of you.

the capitol concerns. i will be speaking to illinois congressman mike quigley, one of the democrats calling on the president to step aside in 2024. what happened in the closed-door meeting he attended this morning? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. msnc

house democrats met behind closed doors, no cellphones allowed, this morning to discuss

president biden's viability as a candidate. so far, nine members of congress are calling for the president to back out of the race. one of them, congressman mike quigley of illinois, joining me now. you were at the meeting. how did the caucus go? we understand from people coming out that there's no real consensus. >> yeah. we all pledged not to talk about what was said. it was, i think, thoughtful, constructive and most of all respectful of each other. interesting times. >> but is it fair to characterize it as some have as no real agreement, no bottom line? people in different positions. this is not a rallying around the president. >> look, this is a process. i think everyone reacted differently to the debate and what took place in the week after, which is considerably more damaging than the debate itself, because there was no

recovery, with all due respect. i think members are processing this, thinking about this, talking to their constituents, looking at how it impacts the fall election. they are coming to terms with this. they do this in their own way, their own time. i appreciate and respect that. i started speaking out last tuesday, because i am concerned that we are in a time crunch. i do believe we need to make a change and that we need to make it before the democratic convention. >> did anything you heard today dissuade you from that? i guess not. >> i don't think there's -- i think it actually worked in the opposite direction. it was very telling that the president had very few press encounters. what should have happened, should have been calling every member they could have and restoring some of the doubt and

it went the opposite direction. i don't think the energy went particularly well. some of the things he said in there concerned me when he said he wasn't sure he had seen the debate. more troubling of all was saying that if we lose the house and the senate and the white house, you know, how will you feel? he will say what matters is that people know i gave it my best effort. no. we should preface every discussion about this is about a second trump presidency. i believe a second trump term begins as it ends. as you know, i was in the room on january 6 when the violent insurrection took place. i think that lawlessness would continue. i think it was green lighted by the supreme court recently. >> do you think that, especially after the confusion over the president's medical situation,

the health reports, visits by the neurologist, we know that he was seen by a neurologist, they tell us, as part of his regular physical, most recently last february. do you think he should change his mind about what he told george stephanopoulos and take a cognitive test by an experienced neurologist? >> it's hard for me to speculate. the point is, the whole world is speculating. it's going to be the story. it's going to be very hard for the campaign and the president to overcome that. he has to be -- i would respectfully say -- more transparent and more understanding that this isn't just going to pass by him saying, i feel fine. they have to be very direct in what they do. whatever it takes to convince the american people where they are. as you know, things are trending down when we look at polling and

things that seem to matter with this. rather than taking the time after the debate to move us forward and reverse the trends, we're going in the opposite direction. that change won't happen on its own. they have to take action. again, i respectfully believe what they have done so far can be seen as dismissive. i thought the letter yesterday to congress was such. it's not particularly helpful. they have to meet this head on. i just don't see them doing that. >> has the president or anyone from the white house on his team reached out to you since what you said last tuesday? >> no. not that i anticipate. you know what? that's fine. i really don't make -- it doesn't make that much difference to me. i thought the letter to congress was misdirected. you don't have to convince me. i'm with the democratic nominee no matter how we go forward. joe biden on his absolute worst

day is better than donald trump on his absolute best day. so what they have to do is convince the american people, particularly in the swing states, because as you know, top of the ticket is absolutely critical. we have to appreciate, that's not a recipe for victory. that has to be turned around. >> are you at all put off or concerned, as many are, about the chaos that might ensue with letting this thing get wide open, an open convention, or trying to build support for harris if he does -- if he were to step aside? >> i will say this. my primary, secondary concern is if there's a trump presidency again.

anything it takes to avoid that is preferable. i think there's a process to move forward if there's a change in who we have as the nominee. we have the democratic convention coming forward. i believe it does need to be legitimate and seen as legitimate and transparent to the american people. we would move forward in that manner. to say it has to be one nominee or another i think works against the concept of this being legitimate. >> congressman mike quigley, thank you very much. >> thank you. the damage assessment. our correspondent in texas with a look at the devastation left along beryl's path. stay with us. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. ." this is msnbc. tchy eyes. up to 50% of people with graves' could develop a different condition called thyroid eye disease,

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with the uproar over his poor debate performance. now the republican presumptive nominee is announcing he may not announce a running mate, instead waiting until next week's republican national convention. joining us now, vaughn hillyard, kimberly atkins stohr and michael steele. vaughn, tell us what to expect at donald trump's rally tonight. do you think he is just going to delay the vice presidential announcement longer? >> reporter: he has a week left here. he has suggested he could at any moment announce who his vp running mate is going to be. milwaukee, next monday, is the start of the convention. could he do it tonight at the campaign event? or at a rally this saturday outside of pittsburgh? you noted he hasn't been on the

campaign trail, been out in public outside of on his golf course over the last 12 days, since the debate in atlanta. a lighter campaign schedule has not been an anomaly for donald trump over the last two years. you recall before the iowa caucus, when he had republicans still running against him, he campaigned five days in the five month before the iowa caucuses. next week we will see a lot of donald trump and the republican party. i want to let you hear from him last night talking to sean hannity. >> i haven't made a final decision. i have some ideas. we will be honest. it might make a difference. i'm not sure. there are those that say trump is awaiting until he finds out what's going to happen with crooked joe biden. we will see what happens with biden. >> reporter: notably, there are delegates to the convention in milwaukee. the platform committee met

yesterday and approved with a majority vote a proposed platform that will go to the entire delegation. donald trump already signalled that he is backing this proposed platform. to note, when it comes to the abortion language on the platform, it is different than what the republican party's language has been. instead of calling for what is referred to as a human life amendment, as past platforms have done, this platform, that was signed off by donald trump, only refers to states' rights and the power to make their own decisions on abortion. there was some pushback among more conservative members of the platform committee, including the likes of tony perkins, who submitted in a minority report as part of the disagreement with the platform saying, in no season, under no rationale, spurred by a political moment, core should we abandon the principles that have created and sustained this party.

donald trump and the gop is aware that a majority of americans are in favor of women's reproductive rights. >> kim, building on that with the platform, first of all, on abortion. this is the first time that they are running away from the federal ban language that they have had in the past. they had no platform last time around. they made a commitment to the largest deportation program in american history. they are taking different stands, because that's considered good politics and staying away from the abortion ban, as far as donald trump is concerned. >> i think we should read between the lines here. i think what donald trump and other republicans have seen is that there is broad support for reproductive rights in america. any sort of overt claim, promise to institute, for example, a

nationwide abortion ban won't go over well for not only the presidential candidate but other republicans down the ballot. instead, they are backing off, calling the states' rights as donald trump has taken to do. we know we have project 2025 right there where republicans will instead focus on using the existing archaic law to make it all but impossible for abortions to be carried out, even in states where it's legal, and chipping away at the ability of doctors from getting the tools, medications and supplies they need to even perform this surgery. i think it's a little too cute by half trick that the rnc is pulling here while leaning into the topic, as you said, the issue that they think is a winner for them, which is using immigration, particularly fear about immigration, and painting immigrants in a dangerous and

unfavorable light to drive the fear vote on that. what the platform is doing at this point is pretty predictable. >> it was notable during the debate that in answer to almost every question, donald trump pivoted to the immigration issue rather than answering the questions that he was asked, thinking that that is a winner for him. michael, you were, of course, former head of the republican national committee. what do you expect from the republican convention with the democratic party divided over its own -- the competence of its standard bearer. >> they are not. they are all in. they have formalized and will make even more formal the elevation of a 34-time convicted felon, serial sexual predator

and fraudster. that's the nominee of my party. i do not support that individual, nor do i support the direction that this platform purportedly lays out for the wholesale sort of rounding up of immigrants without any due process, putting them in concentration camps and shipping them out of the country. they are lying to the country, donald trump is, about where we are in women's rights. we are not backing off of a national ban. that's very much what project 2025, as kimberly noted, and other almost salms -- elements be in play. i think you will see that play out in full color next week.

how americans consume that in the face of the democrats' circling their fire on joe biden, taking what should have been no more than a weekend story on the debate and turning it into a full-throated existential crisis within the democratic party, this story with trump is going to play out in the -- as a backdrop to that. it's really an interesting twist going into this convention that the republicans have sort of set up this sort of soft landing narrative on their platform, trying to play it off as not project 2025, playing down abortion which they are going to a national ban when that's presented, even elements of the supreme court. i fully anticipate republicans to propose an expansion of the supreme court under donald trump to solidify that conservative

majority. >> michael, what do you think joe biden can do to rescue this situation? >> have democrats shut the hell up and get behind him. the man said he is not going anywhere. all right? take him at his word. if you know anything about -- put it this way. when i was at the train station coming back from our show saturday, i ran into an elderly irish gentleman. he said, i want to tell you something. joe biden is not anywhere. he is that 11-year-old with the stutter on the playground that was being bullied. he is going to fight. that made me really kind of look at this situation a little bit different. in many respects, that's what's happening. he is being bullied by some in his party because of one event. if you thought it was all that bad, why didn't a committee go to him in october of last year and say, sir, you need to stand down because we don't think you can win this race?

they didn't. they let 14 million americans go through a primary process with him and others on the ballot and vote for him. now these media and political elites have decided after one event, my god, there are other events that no one talked about or put out in public, that they want to sort of vomit on top of joe and think that those 14 million voters are just going to go, okay, we will swap him out. i think he is being ill-served by his party. i have profound differences with joe biden on policy. but up against donald trump, 34 time predator, convicted felon, give me the old guy. i think the country is pretty saying that. the fallout is not registering the way it has with the democrats inside the party.

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with ukraine clearly the main focus of the nato summit that begins today, secretary of state antony blinken will be meeting with ukraine's foreign minister in the aftermath of russia's most brutal attack on kyiv since beginning of the war more than two years ago. a barrage of russian missiles striking the capital as well as eastern and central ukraine yesterday destroying the country's largest children's hospital, killing at least 42 people, injuring 190 others. joining us now is michael mcfall, former ambassador to russia, and anya mannual of the aexperience strategy group. she is a former diplomat author and adviser on foreign policy. ambassador, first to you. the message about putin that has to emerge from here, you have viktor orban in beijing having just been in moscow, and you

know, modi in moscow. so he's getting a lot of support, tangible support from china obviously and rhetorical support from nato member, hungary's -- >> yeah. well, that trip in particular was very disappointing to me. i wonder if mr. orban should think about leaving the nato alliance if he's so enamored with vladimir putin. you're right, the nato summit has to respond collectively to what putin did yesterday. this barbaric attack on children with cancer. what -- how more cruel can you be? and i think it has to be more than just a rhetorical response. i think there has to be new commitments, especially air defense systems. that's what the ukrainians need. they need more air defense systems, more patriot systems to defend their hospitals. i hope we'll be hearing for about that in the coming days. >> what we're hearing from the american military is they don't have supplies, they're scouring the world to get a launcher from

here and a battery from there, and putting it together and even taking some from israel. >> yeah, i think this has been one of the biggest surprises of this war. >> the supplies -- >> the supply chain and industrial production. that's why i think at the summit tomorrow, if anybody's listening, there's a lot of news going on in your town i've noticed since arriving today. but if anybody's listening, i think this will be one of the signature events of the summit where they're going to actually collectively coordinate industrial military production including co-production from time to time. >> anya, the allies are in final negotiations around language around ukraine's admission. there's been controversy, there was at the last big meeting. there are conditions for membership. is nato going to give some sort of an irreversible commitment to ukraine? a timeframe? >> yeah, andrea, thanks for having me. i ha -- hi, mike, nice to see

you on there. the actions matter less than what they've taken. for all intents and purposes nato is united in supporting ukraine, and to add on to what mike just said, i think one of the most important thingsing that going to come out of this summit is there's going to be a new command in germany that's going to handle all of the supply chain into getting those weapons to ukraine that are so critical for ukraine's defense. this is really important because it proofs the alliance in what its doing for ukraine away from the politics, the elections in france and the uk, in the u.s., and moves that out of the hands of what's been a u.s. military operation and makes it really a nato operation based out of germany. >> and mike mcfaul, there's the trump proofing -- >> yes. >> as though one could, but there's so much nervousness among nato leaders who know how dismissive he was of nato and

dismissive of the european commitments which have been considerable. >> rightfully so. he said some very threatening things about nato, and not just when he was president. just a few months ago he said if you don't pay up, as if it's a protection racket, the russians can do, and i'm paraphrasing, whatever the hell they want. that's not a word i'd normally use with you, andrea, that's what he said. i think the good news, if there trump is listen -- if mr. trump is listening to the summit -- is 23 countries are making the 2% gdp spending. he talked about that for years and years. they're now doing exactly what he wants, maybe that's part of the trump proofing that nato is actually doing the burden sharing that he talked about. >> and a lot of the scandinavian countries are doing more than the u.s. anya, china's watching this, nato is watching china. they're concerned about china's engagement with putin. >> that's right. good point, andrea. on the china-russia axis is

something to watch. as much as china's out there with their, quote, six-point peace plan, that's a peace plan mostly on russia's terms. behind the scenes as you've reported and others have, china is supplying a huge amount of dual-use equipment to the russians to continue their brutal assault on ukraine. so i don't think you can take these peace overtures by china very seriously. i do hope that at some point as this war draws to a close china will play a more constructive role. but we don't see that happening yet. >> michael and anya, good to have you both. i want to note the aexperience security forum -- aspen security forum starts july 16th. i will be there. remember, follow the show on social media at mitchell reports, and you can re-watch the best parts of our show any time on youtube. e. could lo ok like with...

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