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speak tonight to address the convention. in a few minutes president joe biden is expected to take the stage at the naacp convention in las vegas. we will bring that to you live in its entirety. but we begin this program with a quote, it goes like this, quote, what trump offers is an easy escape from the pain to every complex problem he promises a simple solution. he never offers details for how these plans will work because he can't. trump's promises are the needle in america's collective vein. those words were not uttered by a democrat, they were not uttered by any one of the many thoughtful critics of both parties of donald trump in the press, they were uttered by the man who now stands beside donald trump on the 2024 republican ticket as his running mate. j.d. vance is now casting his sharp, unsparing criticism of donald trump, things like calling him a, quote, cynical a-hole or not, quote, america's

hitler, as the result of brain washing he was subjected to by the media. really? here is how he tried to explain it on fox news last night. >> i was certainly skeptical of donald trump in 2016 but president trump was a great president and he changed my mind. i think he changed the minds of a lot of americans because, again, he delivered that peace and prosperity. if you go back to what i thought in 2016, another thing that was going on, sean, is i bought into the media's lies and distortions. i bought into this idea that somehow he was going to be so different, a terrible threat to democracy. it was a joke. >> and what are vote towers make of someone so susceptible to tv? an earth 2 answer from an earth 2 candidate encapsulating everything you need to know about who j.d. vance is now and where the maga movement is heading as well. liz cheney puts it like this, quote, j.d. vance has pledged that he would do what mike pence would not do, overturn an election and illegally seize

power. he says the president can ignore the rulings of our courts. he would capitulate to russia and sacrifice the freedom of our allies in ukraine. the trump gop is no longer the party of lincoln, reagan or the constitution. if this new gop's governing agenda is the 900 plus pages that make up project 2025 filled with calls to purge the civil service, turn the justice system into the president's personal police and retribution force, and enact a hard right agenda on lgbtq+ rights then j.d. vance is its leading evangelist. steve bannon says that he is, quote, at the nerve center of this movement. "politico" adding, quote, bannon even suggested that vance could become the st. paul to trump's jesus, the convert who spreads the gospel of trumpism further than trump ever could himself, end quote. here is how the president of the heritage foundation reacted to news that vance had been chosen

to be the republican nominee for vice president. >> okay. we have confirmed news that senator vance is the vice presidential running mate. you will see a broad smile on my face. you may know that we are good friends. i will offer two comments about that. the first is the entire list of names considered are great men and women, truly. truly. all of them friends of heritage. among them, though, was someone that privately we were really rooting for and he's just been named the running mate. >> so the guy that heritage was in their own words really rooting for, trump went with that guy. the republican vice presidential candidate's transformation from hard trump critic to hard right authoritarian culture warrior, what it says about the future of the gop and the future this have country should trump and vance prevail is where we begin today. in milwaukee at the rn cnbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard is back with us, also joining us msnbc political analyst,

democratic strategist cornell belcher is here. at the table post of "politics nation" president of the national action network the reverend al sharpton is with us, also former rnc spokesman, msnbc political analyst, tim miller is here. rev, jesus has been invoked, i will go to you first. >> well, you know, i think that that if not directly it borders on being sac -- religious. >> borders? >> it's blasphemous to say that trump was jesus and j.d. vance was paul is absolutely an inn cult to everybody that believes in the bible, let's start there. but to look at the fact that heritage were the ones that sponsored and authored project 2025, that trump claims he knows nothing about, had nothing to do with it, but he chooses their candidate to be the vice president. i think the real headline today

is that heritage has admitted -- this is their candidate, he is the one they wanted, they did the 900 pages that would really undo the democratic process in this country and they have their candidate as the vice presidential candidate for the -- for the -- this cycle. and the fact that trump with all of his denying he knew anything, he accepted their candidate and i think that that is something we should not run away from too quickly. >> tim? >> yeah, i guess i want to build on that. i could do two hours on the political of vans and his hypocrisy and all his quotes. >> we have exactly that much time. >> i think the most important thing to think about is j.d. vance's governing partner of donald trump because it is extremely alarming. it's the most alarming person that he could have chosen on the short list of people that were in the mix. j.d. vance is not going to be brakes on donald trump in the oval office, god forbid if he gets in there on any of his

crazy ideas. a lot of times people that tried to be brakes last night were bowled over, but still a brake is better than a gas pedal. j.d. vance went along with all of donald trump's most ost stashs, anti-conservative, anti common sense policies and thoughts, the vaccine denialism, full boron january 6, full boron owe election denialism, full boron blaming joe biden for the putin invasion of ukraine and siding with putin. if you think about the domestic policies when it comes to the border and donald trump's heinous plans there, j.d. vance will be fully on board with all of that. across a wide range of issues. all of the anti-democracy elements. j.d. vance will be somebody that is his wing man and says yes to the things that he wants to do that flout in the face of the rule of law. i think that's extremely scary. >> you know, one of the stories that broke saturday before the

assassination attempt on donald trump is the kind of story that might have shaped a week of conversations, right, it was a story, vaughn hillyard, about the plan to overturn the 2024 election and make sure that it cannot be certified. i know you were there with mike pence when he was cast in this role eight years ago. this is for donald trump another casting, there is no evidence that's come out that it's something much different than that. i wonder in your view the importance of what liz cheney points out about j.d. vance, that on this one thing, this one line, this single line that we ever found out about, there may have been others, but none that we ever found out about, single line that mike pence wouldn't cross in service of donald trump was overturning the 2020 election. this is a line j.d. vance would barrel through. >> reporter: and j.d. vance i think was interestingly asked the same question by sean

hannity last night and that was on the day that they were selected, how would you in a moment in which you disagree with donald trump, how would you handle that? and mike pence eight years ago responded that he would go and share his disagreements with the president behind closed doors but then walk out shoulder to shoulder and stand by the president in solidarity. mike pence did that every single day until january 6, 2021. j.d. vance said that he would go behind closed doors and he would discuss it with the president. he stopped short of going further than that. i think that that is where the question comes, as to for four years how would j.d. vance ultimately maneuver his way through in that capacity as being the right hand of donald trump? and when you work together to potentially four years from now and the act of certifying the election it's a serious question here. i think for j.d. vance much like donald trump takes credit from saying mike pence, mike pence was going to lose the election

bid for indiana governor back in the day. you hear the same thing from donald trump now. j.d. vance gives him that credit. in 2022 when he ran for the u.s. senate in a crowded republican primary in ohio he helped win him the seat with that endorsement and j.d. vance gives him the credit. then he helped him win the general election. in a lot of ways donald trump takes credit for j.d. vance being politically where he is right now and the question is just how far could j.d. vance go to ultimately ensuring that donald trump is able to execute exactly what the vision is or the extent to exactly how much do they share the same vision because i think that as tim was just outlining in a lot of ways j.d. vance publicly is right alongside in terms of policy, domestic and foreign policy with the president's position, with the former president's positions. >> cornell, there is palpable fear in the political climate and it's not just an elite conversation, the voters have palpable fear, it's where all of

their animosity or the animosity comes from in conversations about the state of the race. the palpable fear when you put j.d. vance who can operationalize the darkest elements of project 2025 goes up exponentially, let me show you j.d. vance in his own words on his policy instincts. >> i think that what trump should do like if i was giving him one piece of advice, fire every single mid-level bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people and when the courts -- because you will get taken to court and when the courts stop you, stand before the country, like andrew jackson did, and say the chief justice has made his ruling, now let him enforce t because this is, i think, a constitutional level crisis. >> the rhetoric and the touchstones, idealogically, of j.d. vance in his own words, cornell. >> you know, i'm just going to put on my sort of campaign hat

here and try to call balls and strikes, i'm not trying to be partisan here at all. if you're donald trump, you know, i understand why you choose j.d. vance because he is going to, in fact, back your coup attempt, but if you're looking at sort of the republican party more broadly, and i know we've been talking about nonstop the problems of democrats, but the last couple of elections democrats have actually gotten more voters than republicans and the current president did win a majority. it's been a long time since a republican has won a majority. if you look at the middle of the electorate where republicans, donald trump certainly needs to do better, you look at that suburban mom and the suburbs of philadelphia who have been moving away from republicans, as she sits around that table, you know, she thinks about her bills and she thinks about -- you know, she has to send her

daughter to college, how she pays for that and she may be -- and she may -- and she's fearful that she's going into a world where her daughter may have less rights and agency of her own body than she does, how does this help donald trump grow his support? how does it help republicans move out and capture more moderate voters? and the last piece on this, nicolle, you know, maybe i'm wrong on this but america is not getting whiter. every couple of years, you know -- you know, we're going to have an electorate that's probably 2 or 3 points browner than the last electorate and moving forward and forward onward. i think read the room, guys. another ticket of -- of white males on your ticket is just not a vision and looking forward to what's happening in america. >> well, let's stick with the

political slice of this because donald trump is not particularly interested in governing. i think the piece he's interested in, right, is the one thing he didn't get out of mike pence, but one thing donald trump's instincts have sort of allowed him to do or forced him to do is to -- without any shame or embarrassment -- try to distance himself from project 2025 which is one and the same, run by trump's political people, staffed by trump's policy people, it is the next trump administration and waiting. to echo j.d. vance's point, this is what project 2025 says, when it comes to ensuring that freedom can flourish nothing is more important than deconstructing the political state. political appointees who have decision-making thofrt in the executive branch are key to the essential task. it's a circle now, a closed circuit, between what j.d. vance believes what the project 2025 platform says they're going to

do and, you know, deny all you want, there is no daylight between the trump/vance ticket and project 2025. >> they have to own it. i think they've been trying to move away and you heard trump dance around it, you know, doesn't know anything about t they have to own it now. and i think what you're seeing currently and what you will continue to see is democrats roll out attacks on this project. because, look, there are some diabolical crazy things in there, right, that it's a blueprint for undermining democracy and as one of my friends said it's really a blueprint for locking in minority white rule for decades on to come. so it's scary stuff in there. again, if we are just looking at a campaign, again, call me old school, nicolle, if we are just looking at a campaign that's about issues and about where the majority of american people are on the issues, if you look at 2025 project and you look at the

rest of the issues, they are fundamentally mispositioned on the vast majority of issues that are important to middle america. >> let me read you what's in project 2025, tim miller, on marriage. social science reports that assess the objective outcomes for children raised in homes aside from a heterosexual intact marriage are clear, all other family forums involve higher levels of instability. the average length of same-sex marriages is half that of heterosexual marriages, financial stress or poverty and poor behavioral, psychological or educational outcomes, the supreme court ruled in 2015, i believe, that marriage equality is the law of the land. i'm not sure where the mass comes from there. let me show you j.d. vance on his view on women and marriage and in this quote and you will hear it in his own words, this is about violent marriages.

>> and this is one of the great tricks that i think the sexual revolution pulled on the american populous, which is this idea that like, well, okay, these marriages were fundamentally -- you know, they were maybe even violent, but certainly they were unhappy and so getting rid of them and making it easier for people to shift spouses like they change their underwear, that's going to make people happier in the long term. >> it is so radical. donald trump himself has been married, i don't know how many times, several. >> three, i think. >> yeah. so this is someone who thinks that being unhappy or subjected to violence isn't a rationale to, quote, shift spouses like they change their underwear. >> there's a lot here. >> so much. we do have the two hours. >> i do have to start with just far be it for me to question the research integrity of the people at the heritage foundation. >> please do. >> gay marriage has only been legal for like 11 years. i'm not sure how they could scientifically determine that they last shorter >> correct.

>> that doesn't seem to work. >> you have to take all the marriages that also started that year. yeah, i don't know. >> all right. it doesn't seem like a long form research project at this point. >> we're dropping things. >> there's reason to start throwing stuff around when you listen to j.d. vance talk about that. i think politically it's really bad and i do think there's some political vulnerabilities just because to what cornell was talking about, the gender gap is going to be huge already, having a vice president out there that you didn't even play all the abortion clips, that says that it's unfortunate that if you get raped and you should have the baby anyway. >> two wrongs don't make a right. >> saying that women who are abused should be forced i guess to stay in marriage is the implication of that. these are your atrocious policies on the politics and on the morality, et cetera. so i do think that creates a null ner ability. i think the most telling thing tying it into project 2025 is

this choice is the first staffing choice really that donald trump would make of a trump 2.0 and we've been talking a lot about age in this campaign. donald trump is going to be an old guy if he's in there and he doesn't really care about the details. like he wants to stay out of jail and he wants to get back on air force one and go golfing. the real threat of trump 2.0 is that he is going to hire the weirdest freaks and like the most idealogically extreme and conspiratorial people that are left because all like the normal policy experts in republican politics that wouldn't have written that heritage foundation paper aren't involved anymore. so those people that are self-selecting in are j.d. vance and a bunch of people that talk and sound like j.d. vance but even more extreme that you don't know, that are anonymous people, and they -- and that is the core of what the heritage foundation is doing for trump. they're saying we're going to find those people and put them in the administration. even if you judge that donald trump doesn't care about gay marriage or these issues, the

people implementing those issues will be radicals and j.d. vance is the first example of that. >> vaughan, i have to come back to you at the human level. what does j.d. vance think he has going for him that mike pence didn't? is there any self-awareness that the only reason trump needs a new number two is because the last guy wouldn't carry out the final stages of the coup? >> reporter: nicolle, i don't know j.d. vance well enough, but i did watch mike pence up close and mike pence understood the assignment of the vice president to donald trump and he executed and i think was a terrific messenger for donald trump and the white house and not only here domestically but on the global stage. up until january 6 i think that there was very little friction between the two men. for j.d. vance, though, i will refer to a conversation i literally just had before going on air with you that i had with matt gaetz, the congressman out of florida who is a part of the wing of the gop that has risen

in prevalence inside of the halls of congress and now making his way alongside donald trump in his running mate, j.d. vance, he told me he would say the difference between mike pence and j.d. vance is that j.d. vance would be a powerful president of the senate and what does that mean? essentially j.d. vance would be the one working as the congressional liaison with the white house to ensure that the exact legislation that donald trump and his team want executed on capitol hill is executed on. you have marjorie taylor greene, you have matt gaetz, of course speaker johnson his position as speaker of the house is in large part due to donald trump having his back here and he said compare that to 2017 when you have the likes of paul ryan and mitch mcconnell who were leading the house and senate leadership for republicans. that wouldn't be the case in 2025. matt gaetz making the case to me here that there's no false promises about reforming the health care system from republicans, but they will get it done.

there's no false promises on taking action on immigration, they would get it done. because he knows that he would have a vice president who would be working as the president of the senate with the strong republican leadership, hand-picked leadership in the house and senate to work alongside him passing through exactly what the trump maga agenda would go. >> a lot of assumptions there. we will take those apart after a quick break. president joe biden is out on the campaign trail today set to address the naacp national convention in las vegas. we will bring that to you when it begins later in the broadcast. questions continue to be asked about how the secret service allowed an assassin to get as close to the ex-president as he was able to do on saturday, just as officials are warning of the really real possibility of retaliatory violence being planned right now. we will talk about all those elements of that story and much more when "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. "deadline: white hous ce"ontinues after a quick break. live this strong, this long to get put on the shelf like a porcelain doll. if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis

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cat ladies, roll it. cat ladies. >> we're effectively run in this country via the democrats, via our corporate ol owe garks by a bunch of miserable cat ladies. it's just a basic fact. you look at kamala harris, pete buttigieg, aoc, the entire future of the democrats is controlled by people without children and how does it make any sense that we've turned our country over to people who don't really have a direct stake in it. >> offensive on so many levels.

for once two hours might not be long enough, feels like two hours too long some days these days, but, i mean, what -- and i cannot gate until the vice presidential debates. i really do hope that kamala harris challenges him to half a dozen. i mean, you cannot list how many people that one -- i don't know what's worse, tucker carlson is nodding or the comments about cat ladies and childless women. these are debates and cultural divides that were bridged generations ago and he's out there just serving them up like slop. >> but the difference between j.d. vance and tucker carlson is that we're talking about he could be a heartbeat away from being president, talk being cat ladies and -- >> right, of every cat lady in america. >> right. i mean, we need people to really realize we're talking about him being the real vice president if trump would succeed. for those like tim scott and

them that are running around talking about that they're not racist, you just in the last segment, vance quoted andrew jackson the most racist president in american history. he appointed -- nominated the judge to the supreme court that did the dreg scott decision. the only portrait donald trump hung in the oval office was andrew jackson. how many signals do they have to show for women, blacks, you praise andrew jackson, you call women names who don't have children. i mean, i don't even understand what we are considering here unless we've all start drinking this kool-aid that bannon says makes us, what, for jesus to st. paul. i still can't get over that one. >> cornell, write the ad. what does it look like? >> it literally writes -- nicolle, you know the most

effective advertising is not an actor voice-over it is in their language, straight up. that is a devastating ad. the gender gap will grow, not shrink. >> i mean, i almost want to hear it again but -- play it again. let me hear the cat lady and tucker one more time. can we do that? okay. i have to hear this one more time. >> we're effectively run in this country via the democrats, via our corporate oligarchs by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices they made so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too. you look at kamala harris, pete buttigieg, aoc, the complete future of the democrats is controlled by people who don't have children. how does it make tens sens that we've turned our country over to people who don't have a direct stake in it.

>> how did pete buttigieg get rolled into there. >> the attack of gays. >> the reason i played it again was to underscore cornell's point. i mean, i think that the only way out is through. the despair is about not any concerns about the biden/harris ticket's ability to govern, their ability to wage a vibrant and politically effective campaign. this guy is a gift. >> a total gift. i would love to see it. full frontal, full bore attack from biden/harris on these people because -- like that clip is outrageous, totally wrong on the facts, like our country is run by childless cat ladies? have you looked at who the ceos are in this country? kamala harris has stepchildren, pete buttigieg has adopted children. do you know what else was happening in that video? tucker carlson for "the new york times," this is how deep these people are in the crazy, tucker carlson was advocating to former president trump that he stick with j.d. vance because if he had chosen a more normal

candidate that believes that ukraine has, you know, should be able to protect themselves like doug burgum then the deep state would come for him and maybe kill him. that's what tucker carlson thinks. that's why j.d. vance is on this ticket because they are so deep in their own conspiracy swamp. when you think about that, think about the contrast between a ticket that can look at the trump/vance ticket and say these guys believe in sane conspiracies, they don't think women have a right to leave marriages, don't believe women have a right over their bodies, don't believe that gays have a right to be married, think that gays are the same as childless cat ladies, too, we can just insult them. they want to have camps in the largest mass deportation in issue, want to overthrow the democracy. the cup overfloweth of contrasts so let's see it.

>> trump's political instincts if we call them that have been towards shaving the edges off for the purpose of disguising the he extreme nature of his abortion position, same-sex marriage position. j.d. vance obliterates all of that. i didn't think it was going to work but the degree to which they sought to hide the tamales in the republican platform, j.d. vance rips the cover right off. >> reporter: i missed the top part of your question. >> some of the reports ahead of the convention was around the rnc platform, trump south to shave the extreme conditions off abortion, there is personhood which throws ivf off the table and criminalizes birth control but they sought to do some political jiu jitsu rhetorically. they also sought to shave some of the edges off of the harsh

intolerant language around marriage equality. j.d. vance annihilates both of those -- i thought they were shallow and would ultimately be ineffective but to the degree that that was the political effort the trump campaign was involved in, j.d. vance rips the curtain back on that and reveals it all as bs. >> and i think the question coming out of that is from a political campaign level with three and a half months left do the biden campaign do they use j.d. vance as a point of drawing that wedge and drawing that contrast in making it clear that the idea of what the gop platform may be may run counter to the exact policies of their own ticket. and the advocacy of it. i think that there is a recognition from the clips that you have played that j.d. vance has done a lot of television, done a lot of podcasts, you played that clip earlier where he talked about firing a major part of the civil workforce. i think that there is for j.d. vance a reality that this is somebody here who has

effectuated and made clear the way that he believes a government should be run and the positions that he has taken are quite explicit positions. i think for the biden campaign that's the question, how much do you try to introduce j.d. vance to the public as somebody half the age of donald trump who is going to be not only the president of the senate but also have the direct ear of donald trump as well as his family. i think it's -- i think it's a prudent question to be asking and i think that ultimately it's going to be the biden campaign and the extent to which they try to use j.d. vance as a wedge for the -- outside of donald trump himself. >> now, if he is who he has presented himself as and this breaking news should come as a really welcome surprise, we have just learned that vice president kamala harris who he lumps in as a, quote, childless cat lady, end quote, has challenged jd trump as america's hitler vance to a televised debate on august 13th. vaughn hillyard, what do you

think? >> reporter: i think that this is a matchup that kamala harris i think will be very quite comfortable in. i covered her presidential campaign when she was running for the democratic ticket and at the time there was the reality that she was running against elizabeth warren, long time senator bernie sanders, right, joe biden who had been in the senate for decades. she herself was quite new to the u.s. senate, but where you saw her after that atlanta debate go on the television airwaves and defend joe biden but also defend the democratic principles and campaign position, that is where she is, i think, been the most effective in terms of where she has been able to contrast -- draw a contrast and i think that j.d. vance is somebody who, again, i don't think that he is a lightweight when it comes to policy or his understanding of where he has led himself on this political journey from being a never trumper in 2016 to effectively being a professional and political colleague of don

jr. and personal friend to being the running mate. so i think that that is going to be unlike the -- sort of the bravado you could see from a trump/biden matchup on the debate stage one that is much more focused on specifics of what the two different types of administrations could look like in 2025 depending on which ticket could win. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you so much for your reporting and for jumping on that breaking news without batting an eyelid. thank you very much, my friend. come back to us if you hear of anything else breaking there where you are. for our part everyone else sticks around and when we come back president joe biden set to make his case to a vital part of his coalition today, defending his record out on the campaign trail. again, i believe this is his first event since saturday night's shooting in pennsylvania. much more to come. quick break for us. we will all be right back. come. quk icbreak for us we will all be right back. known as a loving parent. known for lessons that matter. known for being a free spirit.

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accomplishments, like the 2.6 million jobs that have been created for african americans, the expansion of pell grants, increased access to housing and health care. let's bring into our conversation democratic congressman daniel goldman of new york. congressman, your thoughts on the president's address the nation three times over two days, moments after the attempt on former president trump's life and then an oval office address about 24 hours later. this is a sort of pivot back to the multitasking that any incumbent president has to do when running for reelection as president. stopping the campaign wasn't something anyone made him do, it was an act of decorum and dignity and reverence for the office and its traditions, and i wonder what you think of sort of how he's approached the last 72 hours which are nothing short of unprecedented and extraordinary.

>> i think you see the real joe biden over the last 72 hours. a public servant to the core, a statesman, someone who when in the senate always worked in a bipartisan way and even as president has maintained a desire to work in a bipartisan way even though the republican party has moved so far away from that. and he is exactly who we need this this moment of shear instability, inflammatory rhetoric and certainly uncertainty for all of us elected officials and he is the right person who can unify us, who can bring the temperature down and whose lead we can follow to get to the right place. >> what is your understanding and are you -- have you been involved in any briefings that lead you to understand better than the public any of the events of saturday night?

>> no. and i know we will have a hearing in the oversight committee on the security issues next week and i just got notice of another hearing in the homeland security committee on that as well. but it is very odd that we know so little about the shooter at this point and effectively what we know is that he is a 20-year-old male, was registered republican, his classmates in high school say that he was conservative, others have said there was trump paraphernalia on his front lawn but he does not have a social media presence, does not seem to be active politically. so very little is known about what the motive is and several days later i would have certainly expected for us to know more. but the reality is regardless of truly what the motive was, it was a horrific day and we never ever want to see any kind of violence, especially in connection to an election, a

former president, a candidate for president now, and that's just something that uniformly political violence, democrats have condemned. some of us have misspoken in the past and i have -- i am one of those and i made it very clear when i used inflammatory rhetoric that i did not mean it, that what i meant was that he needed to be defeated at the ballot box and that's certainly what joe biden is always talking about. but we have to make sure that our republican colleagues as well who jumped on the inflammatory rhetoric immediately after the shooting, take the temperature down and recognize that none of this is good for anyone. >> j.d. vance was one of the people who engaged in that inflammatory receipt tick in the immediate aftermath of the tragic attempt on donald trump's life by blaming president joe biden by name and the media for describing the contest in november as an existential one and describing trump and what

he's for as an authoritarian leader, which the facts certainly bear out. and then trump picked him. what do you think that says? >> well, look, i think it says that donald trump has completely taken control of the republican party. j.d. vance is like a baby of qanon and maga put toer. he is so far out there -- >> tied my brain in a knot there. >> he has vowed to -- i mean, it's so extreme, it's, you know, as if marjory taylor and donald trump got together and hatched something and that's j.d. vance. it's insane some of his views, his extremism on abortion, no exception for rape or incest. he has said he would not have certified the last election and will not guarantee that he will certify this election. he has overtly supported vladimir putin and russia in

their -- in his effort to take over the democratic country of ukraine and in every way he is both a neophyte and a novice who has flip-flopped over the last several years after being a never trumper and calling him the potential next american hitler to now selling his soul so that he can rise the ranks and donald trump loves that. donald trump wants a loyalist as much as possible. it is, i think, very scary to see that this is who donald trump would pick when there are others who have governing experience, who have passed bills in the senate, who have led committees that he could have chosen and the fact that he chose someone like j.d. vance is really quite shocking and a little bit scary, but it does escalate the stakes in november and that's where the republicans get it wrong. yes, there's an existential threat to our democracy.

that does not call for violence, that calls for people to go to the ballot box in november. and that is what we all need to do to make sure that we preserve and protect our democracy from a wannabe authoritarian dictator donald trump and his project 2025 which will completely undo our democracy. >> congressman goldman, thank you very much for taking some time to talk to us on this rather extraordinary week of news. we're grateful. >> thank you. >> i'm not going to get that image of a -- we were talking about childless people and then we had the baby -- >> qanon -- >> the baby, i don't know if it was the mother or the father that was qanon, but it is extraordinary. what i find to be one of the most extraordinary elements of the j.d. vance story that i have hosted this show for eight years and i have had lots of conversations with trump critics. not one of them has ever called him america's hitler. not one of them has ever called

him cultural heroine. it's the rhetorically brutal descriptions of donald trump that trump is somehow able to get over. it seems to untrump. >> it seems to unlike trump and it also gives you the character of an almost reckless opportunist in j.d. vance. how do you go from calling someone america's hitler and other names that you mentioned and then all of a sudden you become a loyal disciple and now a vice presidential candidate. >> what did you promise to do for him to forgive you? >> what did you promise to do? and he had to promise something because donald trump is not a forgiving kind of guy. >> correct. he's still mad at debra messing about something. >> he's angry at journalists that wrote something bad about him 20 years ago. he doesn't forget that stuff. so what would make him forgive this guy?

and that should frighten every american and the fact the guy would want to ask for forgiveness. so either you were lying when you called him america's hitler and didn't believe it or you're lying now. >> yeah. up next for us, there is brand-new tape of donald trump, the ex-president, peddling completely baseless conspiracy theories about vaccines. we will show it to you next. racy theories about vaccines. we will show it to you next. this is our future, ma. godaddy airo. creates a logo, website, even social posts... in minutes! -how? -a.i. (impressed) ay i like it! who wants to come see the future?!

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donald trump is heard espouing theories about vaccines. it's video of a call that took place on sunday, one day after the assassination attempt on donald trump. listen. >> you know, and it's the doctors you fight. remember i said i want to do small doses, small doses. when you -- when you feed a baby, bobby, in vaccination that it's like 38 different vaccines and it looks like it's meant for a horse, not a, you know, 10 pound or 20 pound baby. it looks like you're giving -- you should be giving a horse this. and have you ever seen the size of it, right? it's massive. then you see the baby starting to change radically. i've seen it too many times and then you hear that it doesn't have an impact, right? >> so when you've lost that guy,

rfk jr. on your baby and vaccine conspiracies you've really jumped the shark. the biden/harris campaign responding in a statement saying, quote, americans across the political spectrum resoundingly support president joe biden's historic record and ongoing work to expand access to high-quality affordable health care and lower prescription drug costs but trump and his anti-vax bud bobby are spreading dangerous conspiracy theories that threaten lifesaving care. cornell, if you can push aside the weirdness of this, what it is is trump talking to one of the world's most prominent anti-vaxxers aligning himself with him not on the covid vaccine but on the vaccines that newborn babies get. i have one and there are no horse-sized pills or anything that you give a baby. you know, i don't know what he's talk being there, but it is a

shared ideology that is beyond extreme. extreme speaks to an ideological spectrum. it's fringe, it's radical and it's baseless. >> yeah. well, nicolle, it's hard to push aside the weirdness of it all. i think the weirdness of it all is the actual thing, right? this is completely weird and strange to be saying that, you know, horse-sized shots given to babies and they radically change right before your eyes. it's weird. it's a weird, crazy, fringe thing to say. again, it -- nicolle, we will line this up on the issues of whether you are for modern medicine, you're for vaccines, you're for -- just line this up on the issues. he is so fundamentally mispositioned on all the issues and, again, i go back to the point i made earlier, how is any of this going to help him have a conversation with those moms in the suburbs that republicans have been losing ground on?

how is any of this going to help them make up ground and shrink that gender gap? because everything i see right now says we're going to have a gender gap the size we saw in 2020 and i know a lot of whining on the democratic party right now, but, my god, guys, we have an issue playing that favors us in a way that i have not seen an issue playing clearly favor us in over a decade. >> tim? >> i think that what donald trump is trying to do is consolidate a different group of voters than suburban college educated moms. he sees that rfk jr. is getting high 8, 9, 10 points on his voters as younger men. the gender gap works both ways. i think that donald trump thinks that he can jack up the advantage among men, particularly non-college men to higher numbers than he has had in the past. look, later -- i think it's worth saying. later in that video he complements president biden over his call to donald trump after the assassination attempt and i think that what this guy -- went

through a horrible emotional situation, i think we are all grateful that that bullet missed, that he was not assassinated, i think he looks at this now and with the pick of j.d. vance and with the pick of rfk he thinks i can take this moment and consolidate that other side of the -- the other side of the horseshoe. not the nicolle and tim former republican college educated voters but the non-college voters in these swing states and i think that's a strategic play and we will see if rfk goes along with it. that's why that was leaked. that's why that call happened. >> all right. our thanks to cornell belcher, tim miller, the rev sticks around. still to come in the next hour those campaign remarks we're waiting for for from president joe biden in las vegas as well as the latest on new warnings of political violence that is feared following saturday's assassination attempt on donald trump. quick break, we will be right back. ald trump. quick break, we will be right back

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have never happened. >> who is most responsible for this happening? >> what i would say is the secret service is responsible for the protection of the former president. >> so the buck stops with you? >> the buck stops with me. i am the director of the secret service. it was unacceptable and it's something that shouldn't happen again. >> hi again, everybody, it's 5:00 in new york. the secret service is under growing scrutiny as questions are swirling about how the gunman on saturday was able to get within reach of being able to shoot a former president. the spokesperson telling nbc the secret service worked with local law enforcement to maintain event security, including sniper teams poised on rooftops to identify and eliminate threats. no officers were posted on the building used by the would be assassin outside the event's security perimeter but only about 148 yards from the stage, within range of a semiautomatic rifle. specialists are looking through the shooter's phone and electronic devices as well as

continuing to connect interviews with witnesses and members of law enforcement. the fbi is also today raising the alarm over the potential for more danger and more violence. in a new joint bulletin at the department of homeland security the fbi warns of possible retaliation from that bulletin, quote, the fbi and dhs remain concerned about the potential for follow-on or retaliatory acts of violence following the attack, particularly given that individuals in some online communities have threatened, encouraged, or referenced acts of violence in response to the attempted assassination. some individuals' reactions to politically and socially divisive topics have prompted violence in the past and some individuals, including some domestic violent extremists potentially will view political and social tensions as an opportunity to use or promote violence to further their ideological goals. now, this bulletin did not mention any specific threats, but it did note this, quote,

lone actors or domestic violent extremists operating in small cells likely will continue to view publicly accessible locations like political rallies and campaign events as attractive targets. we want to remind our viewers that we are juggling big news stories, this one as well as president joe biden's imminent remarks at the naacp convention in las vegas. we apologize ahead of time if we jump around between these two stories. the current threat environment avril haines r. after an attempted assassination of a former president is where we begin the hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. with us at the table nbc news investigations correspondent tom winter, also joining us national investigative reporter for the "washington post" carol lennig is back with us and pete struck is here, reverend sharpton also standing by. tom, i have watched you since the immediate aftermath of this horrific act of political violence. tell me what the latest is. >> the latest is that they're running into a little bit of a

wall at the moment. that's not i think as a result of the hard work of the fbi which appears by all accounts to be moving as fast as possible to develop a couple of different things that are going on. so, one, trying to determine the how, how the shooter was able to do this. that has two components as i see it right now, it's the where did he get his ammo? what was he doing in the days leading up to this and where were his travels and all of that to try to piece together any clues and drive new information off of that. the other how is how did this go down on saturday? reporting of stephanie gosk just did an interview with one of the local township managers there in butler county in talking to him about what police officers did that day, those police officers according to him were scheduled to sit down to talk with the fbi today and tomorrow. that's a bit of an indication that they want to know exactly what was going on at the time and the fbi has already said, look, we're going to develop an extensive timeline here and put a timeline together about what was happening on the ground, not

just what the shooter was doing, you know, five days ago, ten days ago, that type of thing. so that's column one. column two, trying to derive anything off of his electronic devices. they were able to get in his phone and the other devices the best we've been told. a preliminary review, have they looked at every file? they have not looked at every file. but a preliminary review, it's structured, this is how we're going to initially do it, they have software they can throw at this, has not yielded anything new in terms of motive. so i think when you look at this you say, well, obviously he had something with donald trump and that's why he fired at him, but as we've seen with other assassinations in the past sometimes the motive or the professed motive has nothing to do with that particular politician. the reagan shooting is a good example. so in some instances unfortunately we never get a motive. stephen paddock who shot at a country music concert in las vegas, the worst mass shooting in modern american history. putting it all together today,

nicolle, i think there's work to be done on the motive side but it's difficult because he hasn't left anything behind, he didn't leave a manifesto behind as best as anybody has found. almost no social media presence for a 20-year-old, a 40-year-old, an 80-year-old, everybody has a social media presence. this individual appears to have almost none. so that's something that is different, odd perhaps, about this person. so that takes care of the investigation into crooks. then there's the ongoing reporting that's being done, the new information that's coming out on timeline with respect to the united states secret service, and law enforcement on the ground. and how did we get to a point where this individual was able to get on a roof, be on there for several seconds, 90 seconds, a minute, however -- whatever video you happen to look at, and fire eight shots we're told at the former president of the united states and now the republican nominee. and that's raising serious questions. the latest reporting, again, going back to stephanie's

interview, four law enforcement officers were dispatched to that location. and this building where he was on top of was kind of the hub for local law enforcement or at least the countersniper team. he is on top of that building. this officer is pushed up by his other officers to look at him, he turns around, his sniper rifle at that officer, holding on with both hands to the roof, he comes down, falls 8 feet according to the township manager and then they get on the radio and they have a security event video for this and that is the next step in this story which is who was told what and when? you have a police officer on the radio according to this interview if this is accurate saying you've got a problem, you've got somebody with a gun on the roof. were the secret service countersniper teams made aware? was anybody else on the ground made aware? was the secret service team close to trump made aware to say we've got a guy on a roof with a

gun, get him off the stage. we'll figure it out later, what's the worst that happens? we're wrong and trump delays his speech for five minutes, ten minutes. i don't think anybody here would be second guessing that today. these are all the questions that we're asking. that we're trying to get a handle on and of course this could all change, it's still a little bit of fog of car. >> carol, your wisdom, your thoughts. you've written books about the secret service, are following the story or if you just have more questions than answers. your thoughts? >> well, i first want to give a shout out to the amazing reporters that i work with at the "washington post" in the last couple of days they've answered some of those questions definitively with me and i'm so honored to work with them. one thing we know which is sort of just gob smacking is that this building 140 plus yards away from a bull's-eye on donald

trump's chin or temple was not posted. in other words, it was not secured with a police officer on top of it and it wasn't secured properly on either side according to law enforcement sources who have spoken to us. the other thing that's -- i can't help but share what one law enforcement official shared with me, which is, you know, ma'am, this building is a place where your grandmother could have shot donald trump, it's that close. and it's the principal place that you would be want to go make sure everything was okay. today my colleagues and i wrote a story and post it had on our "washington post" website reporting that the countersniper units that were supposed to be helping the secret service and were assigned to help look over the back of the crowd and were outside of the perimeter were actually inside the agr building, a part of that agr complex, they were inside it while the gunman was on a roof of one of the adjacent buildings. essentially they were in a

second floor inside rather than where countersnipers usually are, outside looking at higher ground to figure out what's the problem here. the man who got on to the roof, matthew crooks, my colleagues and i have been reporting, had been able to fight off by pointing his weapon at a police officer who hoisted himself on to that roof. my colleague isaac stanley becker reported that on sunday about how that officer without a gun in his hand but trying to chase down reports of those bystanders found the gunman and then had to drop when he didn't have any protection for himself and have the gun pointed at him. we also learned that 86 seconds after that shots were fired. that is from the "washington post" video reconstruction of the events. do you know what's so amazing to me about this whole moment is the line of sight is secret

service 101, nicolle, and it is just basic. ever since 1963 when kennedy was killed and to have that still be a problem in this field in butler, pennsylvania, in 2024 is something the secret service is really going to have to deal with. >> all right. i will ask all of you to stand by. as we warned, we're going to switch gears to president joe biden who is speaking right now. >> -- as so many members of the cbc members, defending freedom like bennie thompson in mississippi, chair -- chair of the january 6th committee and the best friend anyone could have, jim clyburn of south carolina. in case you didn't notice, jim turned it around for me in 2020. look, in june of '47, 1947,

harry truman became the first president to speak at this convention and he was remembered for a lot of things, but the help of the naacp he delaware segregated the military. he laid the groundwork for the civil rights agenda and he built upon president kennedy by that. president johnson who signed the civil rights act of '64, 60 years ago. harry truman as president was often counted out, he was also known for something else. the story goes truman said if you want a friend in washington, get a dog. well, guess what, last couple weeks after the last couple weeks i know what he means. but that's why it's so good to have real friends. i'm not being solicitous, i have real friends. so many of you had my back and i think i've had yours as well.

and i will never forget it. a couple delaware folks here still and one of my best friends when i was a lifeguard in the projects, he was -- his name -- his nickname is mouse. mousey, there you are, pal. longshoreman and loyal as hell. i'm truly honored to be here to meet at this tense moment in this country, and it is a tense moment. just a few days after the assassination attempt on donald trump we're grateful he was not seriously injured. we continue to pray for him and his family. it's time for an important conversation in this country. our politics has gotten too heated. i've said in the oval office on sunday night as i made clear throughout my presidency, we all have the responsibility to lower the temperature -- temperature and condemn violence in any form.

you've got to remember in america we're not enemies, we're friends, neighbors, fellow americans most importantly. reject political violence but violence of any kind, period, no exceptions. we have to say with one voice that violence is not the answer. that's what we should rally around as a nation. that's the unity i'm talking about. few organizations know that better than the naacp for the race riots in illinois in 190 # the naacp was formed, that's what started it. you know the pain and the price of violence. you understand if you're going to talk about standing against violence, you must stand against all violence. when you stand against violence perpetrated against presidential candidates in pennsylvania, you stand against all violence. the violence perpetrated against

george floyd in minnesota, against black veterans like police officers eugene goodman on january 6th. black election workers like ruby freeman and shaye moss in atlanta. you have to stand against the violence and intimidation of white supremacy, the murder of innocent lives in that grocery store in buffalo, new york, when i went up there. mother emanuel church in charleston, south carolina, we must stand against the violence that murdered children at sandy hook and ufd dee, concertgoers in las vegas. stories across the america that never makes the news, there's uvalde every day in america. if you're going to be outspoken on one, don't be silent on others. if you're going to speak about violence, we're going to speak

about guns. more children in america die of gunshot wounds than any other reason. that's stunning and that is sick. and it's shear cowardness if we do nothing about it. so if you want to stand against violence in america and join me in getting these weapons of war off the streets of america. an ar-15 was used in the shooting of donald trump, just as it was an assault weapon that killed so many others including children. it's time to outlaw them. i did it once and i will do it again. now, just because we must lower the temperature on our politics

related to violence it doesn't mean we should stop telling the truth. who you are, what you've done, what you'll do, that's fair game. as harry truman said, i've never deliberately given anyone hell, i just told the truth and they thought it was hell. that's what i'm going to do. there is a truth about why donald trump's presidency was hell for black america. he tried to repeal obamacare, to kick millions, i mean millions of black americans off their health insurance. a $2 trillion tax cut that benefit the super wealthy of the biggest corporations and exploded the federal debt larger than any president has in one term. it left no room for us to do what we should be doing, invest in things that affect people's lives like child care, elder care and so much more that grow the economy and help people.

his mismanagement of the pandemic was especially devastating to black communities. i know because -- in other countries -- in other communities of color, that economic crisis drove up black unemployment, decimated small black businesses and you peacefully protested george floyd's murder, donald trump called for the national guard to go after you. what in the hell is the matter with this man? i'm serious. go figure. from a guy who spread the birthism lie against barack obama saying he wasn't born in america and he wasn't a u.s. citizen. of course, there is -- black jobs. black jobs. tells a lot about the man and about his character. folks, i know what a black job s it's the vice president of the united states.

i know what a black job is, the first black president in history, barack obama. i was vice president for barack and she is my vice president. i nominated the first black secretary of defense in american history and doing one hell of a job. i nominated the first black woman to the united states supreme court. it matters. it matters. and i promised myself and i promised america that my administration would look like america.

and i'm proud that we have the most diverse administration in all of history that tap into the full talents of our nation. that's who we are. these guys don't get it. that's why we're so successful. no, i'm serious. that's what makes us the greatest nation on earth. that's not hyperbole. folks, it's because of you and i'm president and kamala harris is vice president. and, by the way, she's not only a great vice president, she could be president of the united states. [ crowd chanting "four more years ]" >> thank you. with the help -- with the help of the naacp, the black elected members in congress, we've gotten so much done.

seriously. presidential historians said we've gotten more done of consequence than any president since franklin roosevelt. just think about where the black community was when i came into office. think about how far the black community has come. we still have a long way to go. crowe no longer controls our lives. our economy is literally the strongest economy in the world. historic black low unemployment, record growth of black small businesses. let me say this again because trump is lying like hell about it, black unemployment hit a record low under the biden/harris administration. the first -- $1,400 checks, $300 checks per child per family per month in the pockets of people around the country to get them through the pandemic. not trump's administration,

kamala and i did that. we put more money in the pockets than anyone. we cut -- as a consequence we cut black child poverty in half. and when we finally get through to people my economic policy grows the economy when we spend money. grows it. we grew the american economy to the strongest in the world and i'm determined to make that tax cut permanent. no child should ever go hungry in america. and, by the way, all the data shows they can't let them tell us we drive up deficits. they drive up deficits. want to have child care? guess what, mom and dad can work and the child can be safe. we're connecting black neighborhoods that were cut off with old highways and

disinvestment decades ago. in delaware 995 runs up through what used to be the black community, divided it, six lanes wide. we're going to make sure that the -- we're going to be able to pave over top of that and still have the highway, connecting neighborhoods. every poisonous lead pipe in america -- we're delivering high speed and affordable broadband. no child should have to sit out in a parking lot with their moms in front of a mcdonald's so they can get online to do homework. and because of you you're not only protecting obamacare you allowed me to increase t making health care more affordable and, by the way, more than it's ever been. more than it's ever been.

millions of african americans have now have health care because of what we've done. we're putting home ownership -- home ownership within reach. how do you generate generational wealth no matter what community you are from? everything got stuck in scranton and there were no jobs, moved to delaware, dad worked like hell so we could buy a small house. a split level home with four kids and a grand pop living with us, but it was a home and he was able to build some equity. look, we're making the most significant investment in climate ever in all of history. including most significant action on environmental justice ever. look, folks, think about this, my state of delaware -- not many don't know my state -- my state of delaware has the delaware river that runs up along --

jagged -- but at the top of the state there's a half-moon and it goes up along more oil refineries on the other side of that half-moon than anywhere in the country including houston. guess what, wind blows southeast, we have the highest cancer rate for the longest time. do you know who was affected? fence line communities. do you know who the fence line communities are? black communities. and i promise as we make this legislation work we're going to take care of those communities first. first. first. first. i mean it. same way in louisiana, same way in other places. look, we have eased student debt for more than 4 million borrowers. a significant amount of black borrowers. i don't know how many have called me to say, mr. president -- i've gotten phone numbers, i've called them back.

mr. president, thank you, i couldn't get married, my debt was so large, i couldn't have children -- no, i'm serious. you know it. i couldn't buy a home. but what you did, you freed me of my debt and -- and you gave me 10,000 bucks for a down payment on a home. and this project 2024 trump -- 2025, trump's deal, you know he talks about education. hbcus are as good as any other university. gets what the problem is -- no, i'm serious. not a joke. kamala and i have a constant fight. she says -- she says howard is the best, i say delaware state is the best. that's where i got my start. but my point is this -- my point

is this, they don't have the endowment. the jobs in the future, the high tech jobs that will pay a lot of money, they don't have the money for the laboratories, they don't have the money for all of that material, so that's why i've invested a record $16 billion in hbcus. no hbcu student is any less qualified than any student anywhere else. by the way, making sure that no one goes to jail for the mere use and pssession of marijuana. the record should be expunged. it holds them back. all told because of you, naacp, for making the most significant investments in black america ever in all of history. we're seeing the results. the wealth gap is the lowest it's been in 20 years.

inflation is down. in three years and coming down further and we're going to have as they say a soft landing. folks, you're going to see us grow faster and faster. that's not just my view, it's the view of 16 nobel prize winning economists who put out a statement looking at my economic plan and trump's. they said my plan will continue to lower inflation, continue to grow the economy, prices are falling for cars, groceries, we will keep corporate greed at bay. they said about trump, they said his policies will cause a recession. these are not a democratic outfit. 16 nobel laureates. look, we're -- i come from the corporate stage of the world, delaware. i know how they work. corporations incorporated more state than any state in america all combined. but guess what, we have to deal with corporate greed now.

no, it is. corporate profits doubled since the pandemic and they keep bringing prices down, we have to bring prices down further. look, folks, the idea -- the idea that corporate-owned housing is able to raise your rent 300, 400 bucks a month or something. i'm about to announce they can't raise it more than $55. that debate is taking place. bottom line is we're just getting started. i know it's not enough to talk about the past. we need a vision for the future. here is my plan for the first 100 days of a second term. kamala and i are calling for congress to pass the john lewis voting rights act.

i did all i was able to do with executive authority but we need the act and we need to pass the freedom to vote act. i will sign them both into law immediately. and guess what, come hell or high water we're going to restore roe v. wade as the law of the land. i know -- i know you say, joe, you may not have a congress. well, guess what, you all told me i couldn't pass the inflation reduction act. you all told me i couldn't -- anyway, we did it. with your help. republicans blocked police reform in congress so i signed a historic executive order on police reform and i'm going to come back and we'll sign george floyd policing act into law come

hell or high water. how are we going to stop maga republicans? we're going to stop them in their program on 2025. we're going to stop them from social security and medicare. i'm going to expand social security and medicare by making the very wealthy pay their fair share: we're going to build 2 million affordable homes and cap rent he increases at 5% a year so corporate landlords can't -- anyway, i don't want to get going. i'm going to get very upset. they are gouging america. we're going to keep relieving student debt. we're going to end medical debt. we've already made sure medical debt can no longer be put on a credit report. i'm working with states to wipe out medical debt for pennies on the dollar so it's not hanging over you the rest of your life.

we're going to raise the federal minimum wage. our first term we capped the cost of insulin for seniors at $35. total drug costs for seniors beginning of 2024 -- 5 at $2,000 and some of those cancer drugs are $10,000, $12,000, $14,000 a year. but the second term we're going to do that for not just seniors, for everyone in america. by the way, not only saves lives, we will save taxpayers just what i did on the first round on medicare -- it saves the taxpayer $160 billion because they don't have to pay these exorbitant prices to these -- anyway. this year medicare is negotiating lower prices for some of the costs of these drugs on the market that threat is

everything -- that is everything from heart disease to arthritis. in the next term i want to go further, give medicare the power to negotiate lower prices for 50 drugs a year, not 10. not only save lives, estimated to save the taxpayer another $200 billion a year. this is saving taxpayers money. by the way, if you notice all the stuff they said big spending biden, we have lowered the deficit, not raised it. we have increased economic growth. folks, here is what else i'm determined to do, i'm determined to end trump's tax cuts for the very wealthy and big corporations and make the tax code fair and ease the burden on working people. i kept my commitment that no one making less than $400,000 -- i never saw it in my life until i got elected president -- would pay a penny more in federal taxes. here is the deal, we have in

america since the pandemic 1,000 billionaires. 1,000. do you know how much federal tax they pay? 8.2%. that's a federal tax, 8.2%. we're going to make billionaires pay a minimum 25% which is low. no billionaire should pay a lower tax rate than a teacher, a firefighter, a nurse, a dwran tore. that's simply ridiculous. and when we do that, that alone will generate $500 billion in revenue over the next ten years. allowing us to lower costs for families and save the government money. we can do more on elder care, child care, bringing down the federal deficit and so much more. this is not rocket science, folks, but they've convinced us any spending of money is costing. it's saving money. by god's truth it's saving money and it's vitally important.

you know, the next president of the united states could appoint two or more justices to the supreme court. just imagine -- i know the stakes. folks, my vision for the future will continue to be all about working people of this nation. my whole career -- go back at look at it, i have not been perfect by any stretch of the imagination but the simple proposition of the family i come from, the neighborhood i come from, everybody deserves a shot. just a shot. no guarantee. give hate no safe harbor. leave no one behind. that's a stark contrast to my predecessor and the maga officials. they will do everything -- undo everything the naacp stands for. now they're trying to deny it. they're lying about their project 2025. they want to deny you freedom,

the freedom to vote, have your vote counted. impose a nationwide ban on abortion. his new vice president, if you ever had any doubt, man, take a look at what he has been saying. they want to prosecute political enemies. they want to cut social security and medicare, rip away protection for millions of preexisting conditions for 400 million people, stop medicare from negotiating lower prescription drug prices, risking people's lives, costing the government more money. they would eliminate the department of education. no. you ought to read it. saying it's a state issue. give me a break, a state -- we know how well we do with the states. it would cut school lunches, eliminate the head start program for lower income children. allow employees to start paying -- employers -- catch

this one -- stop paying overtime to hourly workers. they're such good people. but give the very wealthy and corporations a new tax cut. they've already eviscerated affirmative action. they would also decimate diversity, equity and inclusion. all across american life. they're already trying to do it by banning books, they're trying to erase black history. black history is american history. folks, i'm not being dramatic. we cannot let that happen. that's why it's so important to me -- it's so important to me to make juneteenth a federal holiday. they can't erase it. people are going to know what happened on juneteenth. that's why i made federal -- a federal hate crime in emmett

till's memory. remember what they were trying to do -- as well as establish national monuments for mamie and emmett till and so much more. so there's no doubt about what's happening. look, folks, as i said before, we know black history is american history. it's as simple as that. let me close with thi -- tells us i've been young and now i'm old. i have not seen the righteous forsaken. i have not seen the righteous forsaken and i will not see the righteous forsaken. hopefully with age i've demonstrated a little bit of wisdom. here is what i do know, i know how to tell the truth. i know right from wrong.

i know how to do this job. and i know the good lord hasn't brought us this far to leave us now. we have more work to do. this is a moment to be engaged. the work that you're doing to recruit hundreds of thousands of volunteers, move millions of people to make their voices heard. may well determine america's future for decades to come. folks, that's important. we must all be defenders for freedom, justice, equality and the bedrock of democracy. there's been no more important voice in that truth than the voices of the black community. i mean it. and when america has failed to live up to what we say we believe, you don't give up hope nor do i. we've always loved this country, even when it has not loved us back. we've worked hard, hard as hell,

just think about it. our children, your children, grandchildren, ask yourself, what america do you want to leave them? my answer is an america of hope, fairness, opportunity, possibilities. look, i spent more time with xi jinping of china than any other world leader has. i was with him in -- in china on the steps of the mountains, he looked at me and he said, can you define america for me? this is the god's truth. i said this recorded, i said, yes, in one word, america, possibilities. nothing is beyond our capacity. america is full of promises for everybody. america erases the violence not only the ghost that too long haunts the nation. folks, this is about you and your families and everything the naacp has stood for for generations, freedom, democracy,

america. always marching. always believing. always keeping the faith. we are going to do this. so i will ask you are you all in? because i'm all in. we just have to remember who we are. we are the united states of america and there's nothing, nothing beyond our capacity when we do it together and let's stay together. god bless you all and may god protect our country. >> a rousing, a fiery -- a fired up president joe biden at the naacp convention in los angeles. listening along with us the reverend al sharpton and mini timeraju. rev, some of the news and headlines, this may become a new stump speech. this was an extraordinary performance from this president. quote, i know what a black job is, it's the vice president of

the united states. it's the first black president of the united states. went on to say the first black secretary of defense, the first black supreme court justice. it matters. i promised america that my administration would look like america. >> it was certainly a fiery speech. it was certainly energetic and he could name specific things that he's done. when he started outlining what the infrastructure bill meant to black community, what the taxes that he wanted to take away the tax cuts that trump had given the wealthy. i mean, he was specific and fiery at the same time and he had a real energy throughout a long speech. this was not a 15, 20-minute speech. he had a real energy and i think he's really focused. he speaks again tomorrow. he called me yesterday. >> what did he say? >> he said to me yesterday that i'm in this, al.

i'm not not going to run. i don't care what you hear, i'm in this and i'm going to stand with you and others continuing to fight on voting rights and civil rights. he mentioned the george floyd bill in his speech today. so i think it was an excellent speech and i loved that line i know what a black job is, it's the black vice president of the united states which he brought there and i think that if he stays with this kind of fight i think we might see a new kind of excitement among voters. >> for sure. fiery, specific, i want to read what the rev is talking about. these are the specifics of how the infrastructure bill which is so popular, something donald trump tried to do every week of his presidency and failed, but so popular republicans who voted against it got -- hitch hiked on to air force one to associate themselves with it and this is how he made it specific. i'm connecting black neighborhoods, he talked about six-road highways, highways 95

that went through communities in his own state of delaware. he took on hate. he said i will give hate no self -- no safe harbor and then he drew the contrast, they will undo everything that the naacp stands for. he talked about the specifics of project 2025 as well, something a lot of people failed to do. they say project 25 they don't say why it's dangerous. he talked about how trump would prosecute political enemies and then he went to talk about the assault on america's history and he said we know black history is america's history. and then drawing this greatest of all contrasts against his opponent, quote, i know how to tell the truth. i know right from wrong. >> this was just joe biden hitting his greatest hits. you know, all the accomplishments of his administration, all the big fights he and vice president harris have been taking on for the american people. his entire platform in a fiery, passionate speech. nicolle, i was with the president in detroit on friday

and i got to see him up close and personal in front of a massive crowd of detroit citizens who were incredibly fired up, just like the naacp audience was. they were kmant chanting, we've got your back, they were chanting four more years, they were chanting don't quit. i agree with the rev lend, this is the joe biden we need to see, fighting joe, the lester holt interview was more of his push back. we need to see this energy. i'm excited to hear him really proudly talking about his legacy, but also previewing the big fights ahead and really sharply drawing this contrast with donald trump and j.d. vance. >> i want both of you to stay with me because he's also making news of a policy nature, again, in the spirit of his campaign, whatever we want to call this, the fighting back, i will borrow your terms, this is a story that moved in the "washington post" just as those remarks were getting under way. quote, president joe biden is

finalizing plans to endorse major changes to the supreme court in the coming weeks, including proposals for legislation to establish term limits for the justices and an enforceable ethics code, that's according to two people briefed on the plans. 's he also weighing whether to call for a constitutional amendment to eliminate broad immunity for presidents and other constitutional office holders people say speaking anonymously. the announcement would mark a major shift for joe biden who has long resisted calls to reform the high court. the potential changes come in response from growing outrage from supporters about ethics scandal with justice thomas and decisions that would change legal precedent on issues including abortion and federal regulatory powers, i think that would be the chevron decision. one more paragraph and we will be joined by a journalist who brought us the story. i'm going to need your help on the supreme court because i'm go about to come out with -- i don't want to prematurely announce it but a major

initiative on limiting the court. i've been working with constitutional collars and i need some help the president said according to a transcript obtained by the "washington post." joining us our conversation the "washington post" tyler pager whose by line is on this new reporting as well as the executive director of fix the court gabe roth. take us through what you and your colleague are reporting. >> yeah, thanks so much for having me, nicolle. the quote that you read from was from a call that the president did over the weekend with the congressional progressive caucus in which he signaled that he was going to make this major announcement but he didn't give any of the details. this story has some of those changes that he is weighing that you just read out, potentially supporting term limits and enforceable ethics code as well as weighing whether or not to call for a constitutional amendment trying to limit the broad immunity that came from obviously the supreme court earlier this month over the trump case. now, what's important to note here, nicolle, obviously is much if not all of these things would

require congressional approval and so it's not that he can unilaterally make these declarations, but it is a significant shift for the president. he has long resisted any calls from his party to reform the high court. he rebuffed those calls when running for president in 2020, promising to put together a supreme court commission to study these ideas. they gave him a nearly 300-page report and it sort of just sat there collecting dust on the proverbial bookshelf and he hasn't done much at all with regard to the court besides criticize it at times after decisions. this would be a major shift from the president in the final months of this campaign. >> i interviewed him a year ago and he had comments comments that reflected what you're saying right now. i think one of the things that your reporting suggests this changes the court and the political wins would certainly be at president joe biden's back on this. i mean, 60% of all americans according to gallop disapprove of this supreme court, 73% of

americans supported roe v. wade. the immunity decision hasn't been polled widely but a vast majority of americans believe no one should be above the law. there is a tectonic shift in the makeup of the court, its willingness to buck precedent and their own commitments rhetorically at least in their confirmation hearings and the public sentiment including large swaths of republicans. does that factor into this new initiative? >> absolutely. i think much of america that has shifted negatively in their opinions of the supreme court joe biden, too, has undergone similar shifts. we've seen him criticize decisions, things that he would not have done in the past. so i think he is moving with the country as we see as you noted, nicolle, the approval of the court dropping precipitously throughout his presidency and many of these decisions the president, you know, roe v. wade being one of them, of course, he spoke out after the supreme court ruled on broad immunity for presidents in their official acts. these are all factors that

ultimately contributed to what we're going to see, we expect, in the coming days or weeks. this big announcement of support for the president towards some of these reforms. and we've seen this energy in the party, it was led by the progressive wing of the party but increase lengthily more senators, lawmakers throughout the party have endorsed some of these changes and i think that's a key part in pushing joe biden. he very much takes his cues off and from elected owe firns, from members of his own party. their movement on this issue as well has played a key role. >> gabe, your thoughts? >> this is now the third election cycle where supreme court reform is going to be front and center. you may recall that backcenter. you may recall in 2016 -- well, in 2015, the 16 election cycle, republicans upset with the special counsel sanctioning sa same-sex marriage said they

wanted tenure limits. in 2020 when there was a more open primary for the democrats court expansion and term limits, i think warren supported expansion and biden sat on the sidelines there. look, we've reached a point where the supreme court has sort of dropped in america's views in terms of legitimacy. so with an out of control supreme court comes a rational reason for having ways to hold them more accountable like elected officials. the theory is if you're going to act like a politician, vote as a supreme court justice with your policy preferences you should be subject to the same oversight mechanisms that you would have if you were a members of congress. congress has enforceable ethics so should the supreme court. in congress you have to run for

re-election in 2 or 6 years so the supreme court shouldn't be able to serve until they're 90 or 95 without any accountability measures. so i think this is a long time coming for joe biden when you think about how his commission was in favor of term limits and ethics three years ago now, so it's better late than never. i think term limits and ethics are moderate views. this is not trying to get the progressives more on board frankly than saying look nationwide, supreme court reform is popular and i want to ride that waive. >> mini, the decision to eliminate a right that women in this country have had for 50 years, a determination by justices to reverse themselves on their own statements that roe was precedent upon precedent. i think turn the lights on how wildly activist and out of step the supreme court is with the american people, including deeply republican corners of the

american population, places like kansas. and then immunity came. and that was the supreme court's fu to everyone who believed they lived in a country where the rule of law appied to all of us, that we were a country without a king. that was the justices on the supreme court, not me. it was their words, voices, cries for something to be done. president joe biden seemingly answering those cries. your thoughts? >> this is what we were asking for. after roe, reproductive freedom voters, organizations we came out more aggressively than ever for court reform, term limits, ethics, joining groups like gabe's to be in the fight. overturning roe sent such seismic shifts through the country that eight out of ten americans that support

reproductive freedom are clear where they are with the court. any reform for reproductive freedom codifying the right to abortion, the protection of roe, expanding and accessing medication abortion care, all the things the administration that has fought to the supreme court won't make it without reforms to the supreme court. so if you're advocating for expansions and freedoms you have to tackle the supreme court. this is exactly what we needed to show what the administration is willing to do to fight for them and put more energy behind the campaign. >> we talked about what can be done and talked about an anemic response from the democratic led senate judiciary committee. i wonder if action be gets action. if the president's support for reform energizing some of the folks who would like that body to do more, people like senator whitehouse who's been a champion

for transparency and ethics reform. >> i think that remains to be seen because i want to see exactly what president biden is calling for. there's gradations in term limit bills and accountable ethics. i assume the party will circle the wagons and support what president biden is pitching. at least in the short term, in an effort to get party unity, that's my assumption, but again there are, to my count, three different term limits proposals in congress right now. there are about a dozen different enforceable ethics bills in congress right now. so i think that, you know, partially because there isn't a single like leading proposal among all these, i think it's important to have the leader of the party say what he thinks, you know, should be the lead proposal. but i think it remains to be seen given the different fangss

in the democrats, you know, what's actually going to catch on. but regardless of what ends up happening, the fact that the president is weighing in the as the head of the party and especially as the platform that came out a few days ago didn't even talk about court reform, this is a positive statement for those looking for joe biden to assert leadership in this area. >> rev you've been here for two hours i'm so grateful for that. it's like hotel california you can check in but you can't leave. we tried to introduce jd vance. believing that women should stay in bad marriages even if they're violent. but the president putting on the table supreme court reform, extraordinary contrast. >> it is an extraordinary contrast. i think that joe biden, if he makes this move, will energize a lot of voters who are disgusted

at what they've seen in the last term of the supreme court. and these questionable ethics of some of those on the court. i think when mini talks about women you're talking about blacks losing affirmative action. >> it's everything, voting rights, clean air, water, reproductive health care, it's abortion drugs. everything is on the line. >> we c accountable. they can do whatever they want to do and nothing you can do about it. i think this could be a game changer if joe biden aggressively comes with it. a game changer not only for the court but this election because he should challenge trump and his what, st. paul -- >> that's where we started, right? >> yeah. >> good. >> he should challenge them where they are on court reform, especially since trump has stacked the court and they're the ones making these -- >> the court is wildly unpopular

and it's donald trump's supreme court. thank you for staying all two hours rev. >> thank you. >> mini thank you for joining us, tyler thank you for joiningous this incredible piece of reporting if the president is headed in this direction certainly a seismic development. thank you all for spending time with us. we'll be right back. r spending with us. we'll be right back. you were made to find inner peace. we were made to track flight prices to paradise. with chewy, it's never been easier to get their favorite toy delivered again, come on, let go. and again, and again. good luck. get whatever they love delivered right on time. save 35% on your first autoship order with chewy.

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