that's true. she said, jd, no one will ever find out about it. [ laughter ] [ crowd chanting ] mamma! mamma! mamma! >> thanks to mamma, things worked out for me. after 9/11 i did with thousands of other young men my age did at that time, with soaring patriotism and love of country, i am listed in the united states marines. [ applause ] semper fi to my fellow marines. i left the marines up for four years and went to the ohio state university.

university. i'm sorry, michigan, i had to get that in there. come on. come on. we've had enough political violence. let's -- after ohio state i went to law school i where met my beautiful wife and started businesses to create jobs in the place i grew up in. my work taught me there's still so much talent and grit in the american heartland, there really is. but for these places to thrive, my friends, we need a leader who fights for the people who built this country. we need a leader who's not in

the pocket of big business but answers to the workingman, union and nonunion alike. w a leader who won't sellout to multinational corporations but will stand up for american companies and american industry. a leader who rejects joe biden and kamala harris' green new scam and fights to bring back our great american factories. we need president donald j. trump. some people tell me i've lived the american dream, and of course they're right and i'm so grateful for it, but the american dream that always counted mostre was not starting business or becoming a senator or even being here with you fine

people, though it's pretty awesome. my most important american dream was becoming a good husband and a good dad. being able to give -- [ applause ] i wanted to give my kids the things i didn't have when i was growing up, and that's the accomplishment that i'm proudest of. but tonight i'm joined by my beautiful wife usha, an incredible lawyer and a better mom, and our three beautiful kids. now, they're back at the hotel. and, kids, if you're watching daddy loves you very much, but get your butts in bed. it's 10:00. but, my friends, things did not work out well for a lot of kids i grew up. every now and then i will get a call from a relative back home who asks did you know so-and-so. and i'll remember a face years

ago and hear they died from an overdose. as always america's ruling class wrote the checks, communities like mine paid the price. for decades that power behind theer few with their comfort in washington and the rest of us only widened. fromon iraq to the afghanistan,o the financial crisis to the great recession, from open borders to stagnating wages, the people who govern this country have failedho and failed again. that is, of course, until a guy named donald j. trump came along. president trump represents america's last best hope to restore what if lost may never be found again, a country where a working class boy born far from the halls of power can stand on this stage as the next vice president of the united

states of america.ce but, my fellow-americans, here on this stage and watching at home this is not about me, it's about all of us and who we're fighting for. it's about the worker in michigan wondering why out of touch politicians are destroying their jobs. it's about the factory worker in f wisconsin who makes things with their hands and is proud of american craftsmanship. it's about the energy worker in pennsylvania and ohio who doesn't understand why joe

biden's willing to buy energy from tin pot dictators across the world when he could buy it from or own citizens right here in our own country. you guys are a great crowd. wow.

and our movement is about single moms like mine who struggled with money and addiction but never gave up, and i'm proud to say that tonight my mom is here. ten years clean and sober. i love you, mom. [ applause ]

and, you know, mom, i was thinking it'll be ten years officially in january of 2025, and if president trump's okay with it, let's have the celebration in the white house. [ applause ] and our movement, ladies and

gentlemen, it's about grandparents all across this country who aregr living on socl security and raising grandchildren they didn't expect to raise. and while we're on the topic of grandparents, let me tell you another mamma story. my mamma died shortly after we left for iraq in 2005. and when we went through her thingshr we found 19 loaded handguns. there were -- now, the thing is they were stashed all over her house, under her bed, in her closet, in the silverware door. and we wondered what was going on, and it occurred to us that towards the end of her life mamma couldn't get around so well, and so this frail old woman made sure that no matter wherema she was, she was within

arms length ofs, whatever she needed to protect her family. that's who we fight for. that's the american spirit. [ chanting "usa" ] now, joe biden has been a politician in washington for longer than i've been alive. 39 years old. kamala harris is not much further behind. for half a century he's been the champion of every major policy initiative to make america weaker and poorer. and in four short years donald trump reversed decades of betrayals inflicted by joe biden and thed rest of the corrupt washington insiders.

he created the greatest economy in history for workers, really was amazing. there's this chart that shows worker wages, and they stagnated for pretty much my entire life until president donald j. trump came along. workersng wages went through th roof. and just imagine what he's going to do when we give him four more years. [ chanting "four more years" ]

months ago i heard some young family member observe that their parents generation, the baby boomers could afford to buy a home when they first entered the workforce, but i don't know if this person observed if i'll ever be able torv afford a home. the absurd cost of housing is the result of so many failures, and it reveals so much about what's broken in washington. i can tell you exactly how it happened. wall street barons crashed the economy, and american businessesmen went out of business. the lack of good jobs, of course, led to stagnant wages, and then the democrats flooded this country with millions of illegal aliens. so citizens had to compete with people who shouldn't even be here for precious housing. joe biden's inflation crisis, my

friends, is really an affordability crisis, and many ofrd the people that i grew up can't afford to pay more for groceries, more for gas, more for rent, and that's exactly what joe biden's economy has given them. so prices soared, dreams were shattered, and china and the cartels sent fentanyl across the border adding addiction to the heartache. but, ladies and gentlemen, that is not the end of our story. we've heard about villains and theirou victims. i've talked a lot about that, but let me tell you about the future. president trump's vision is so simple and yet so powerful.

we're done, ladies and gentlemen, catering to wall street. we'll commit to the workingman. we're done importing foreign labor. we're going to fight for american citizens and their good jobs and their good wages. we're done buying energy from countries that hateuy us. we're going to get it right here from american workers in pennsylvania and ohio and across the country. we're done sacrificing supply chains to unlimited global trade, and we're going to stamp more and more products with that beautiful label, made in the usa.

[ chanting "usa" ] we're going to build factories again, put people to work making real products for american families made with the hands of american workers. together we will protect the wages of american workers and stop the chinese communist party from building their middle class on the backs of american citizens. together we will make sure our allies share insu the burden of securing world peace. no more free rides for nations that betray the generosity of the american taxpayer.

together we will send our kids to war only when we must. but as president trump showed with the elimination of isis and so much more, when we punch, we're going to punch hard. together we will put the citizens of america first whatever the color of their skin. we will, in short, make america great again. you know, one of the things that you hear people say sometimes is that america is an idea. and to be clear, america was, indeed, founded on brilliant

ideas like the rule of law and religious liberty, things written into thegi fabric of ou constitution in our nation. but america is not just an idea. it is a group of people with a shared history and a common future. it is, in short, a nation. now, as part of that tradition, of course, that we welcome new comers. but when we allow new comers into our american family we allow them on our terms. that's the way we preserve the continuity of a project from 25r years past to hopefully 250 years in the future. and let me illustrate this with a story if i may. i'm of course married to the daughter of south asian immigrants toht this country.

people who have generously enriched this country in so many ways, and of course i'm biased because i love my family and her family but it's true. when i proposed to my wife we were in law school and i said, honey,d, i come with $125,000 worth of law school debt and a cemetery plot on a mountain side in eastern kentucky. and i guess standing here tonight it's just gotten weirder and weirder, honey. but that's what she was getting. now,e that cemetery plot in eastern kentucky is near my family's ancestral home. and likenc a lot of people we ce from appalachia into the mountain factories of ohio, pennsylvania, and michigan. now, that's kentucky coal

country, one of the ten -- now, it's one of the ten poorest counties in the entire united states of america. they're very hardworking people, and they're very good people. they're the kind of people who would give you the shirt off their back even if they can't afford enough to eat. and our media calls them privileged and looks down on them, but they love this country not only because it's a good idea but because in their bones they i know that this is their home, and it will be their children's home, and they would die fighting to protect it. that is the source of america's greatness. as a united states senator i get toor represent millions of peop

in the great state of ohio with similar stories, and it is the great honor of my life. now, in that cemetery there are people who are born around the time of the civil war. and if, as i hope, my wife and i are eventually laid to rest there and our kids follow us, there will be seven generations just in that small mountain cemetery plot in eastern kentucky. seven generations of people who have fought for this country, who have built this country, who have made things in this country, and who would fight and die to protect this country if they were asked to. now, that's not just an idea, my friends. that's not just a set of principles even though the ideas and principles are great. that is a homeland. that is our homeland. people will not fight for abstractions, but they will fight for their home.me

and if this movement of ours is going to succeed and if this country is going to thrive, our leaders have to remember that america is a nation, and its citizens deserves leaders who put its interests first. now, we won't agree on every issue, of course,t not even in this room. we may disagree from time to time about how best to reinvigorate american industry and renew the american family. that's fine. but never forget the reason why this republican party exists, why we do this, why we care about those great ideas, and that great history is that we want this nation to thrive for centuries to come.

now, eventually, in that mountain y,cemetery, my childre will lay me to rest. and when they do, i would like them to know that thanks to the work of this republican party, the united states of america it is strong, it is proud, it is great as ever. that is who we serve, my friends, that is who we fight for. and the only thing we need to do right hinow, the most important thing we can do for those people, for that american nation we all love is to re-elect donald j. trump president of the united states.

mr. president, i will never take for granted the trust you have put in me, and what an honor it is to help achieve the extraordinary vision that you have for this country. now, i pledge to every american no matter your party i will give you everything i have to serve you and to make this country a place where every dream you have for yourself, your family, and your a country will be possible once again. and i promise you one more thing. to the people of middletown, ohio, and all the forgotten communities in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and ohio, and every corner of our nation. i promise you this, i will be a vice president who never forgets where he came from.

and everything single day for the next four years when i walk into that white house to help president trump, i will be doing it for you, for your family, for your future and the future of your family. thank you and god bless you and god bless this country. ♪♪

♪♪ >> j.d. vance being greeted by his family on stage after giving his speech accepting the republican party's vice presidential nomination. interesting, not the most important thing in the world but interesting music choice. this is the signature clinton campaign song from the '90s. it's an interesting choice,

perhaps a coincidence. his wife, usha, gave very charming remarks introducing her husband. a low-key very charming, very human introduction of him. and he gave his speech. j.d. vance, again, not a well-known public figure. he's well-known in conservative circles in large part for his meteoric rise. he's only been in the united states senate a year and a half. he'd nerve run for anything before. he's essentially been a protégé of tech billionaire peter teal, who was the person who introduced him to trump, funded his senate campaign, and gave him all of his jobs. but now here he is the vice presidential running mate for donald trump. i will say that the speech was a very straight up republican speech, not a particularly j.d. vance speech except for a few charming anecdotes about his family, particularly his grandmother. if it was going to be important for this i campaign for donald trump running mate to be an

electrifying oriter, he was not, maybe he is in other circumstances. his acceptance speech tonight was not an electrifying speech. he looks a lot like jerry fallwell jr. jerry fallwell sr., the evangelist, fantastic. not the most important thing in the world. chris hayes, i know you were watching with a fact checkers eye towards all this. >> theer approach was a do no hm approach, right, particularly because this was a guy who went on tucker carlson is said the country was ruled by angry jealous cat ladies who want to make everyone as miserable as they are. his rhetorical mode is incredibly aggressive.

>> when he was against trump he said what proportion of the u.s. population has donald trump sexually assaulted. that's what his natural tone is. >> that is his natural tone. this was not his natural tone, which i think is a deft choice if kwur kbusing him to the country not to berate the cat ladies. he did this riff on joe biden's political career, the trade deals joe biden did in fact favor, trade deals donald trump opposed, which is also true. donald trump did oppose nafta and most favored nation status. he said donald trump opposed the iraq war, which is not true and a thing we had to litigate over and over and over again in 2016. he also seemed to make the iraq war was a t democratic war. it was not. it was run by george w. bush. probably ardently supported by many people intl that hall with him. i was there actually for the convention that year. the lastti thing i'll say there ang story he's talking about

basically the neoliberal gutting to the industrial base, what it did to those manufacturing towns in americato and how it betraye theow workingman and how joe bin was a symbol of that. and what he left out of that was the biden economic policy which has created 800,000 manufacturer jobs, and the most remarkable manufacturing investment and insourcing we havein seen in generations is precisely aimed at and has been wildly successful at restoring the american industrial base, focusing on manufacturing jobs, focusing on those jobs far away from the enclaves of liberal metropolitan areas. >> and jobs for which you specifically do not need a college degree. >> correct. soeg this entire story he's telling, which has some truth to it as s a matter of history, chs off what has happened in the last four years, which has been in somer ways a pretty vance-i approach to industriale- policy. the last thing i'll say and i'm going to beat this drum until i put a tear in it, america is

producing more oil now than in theha history of the world ever. they say drill baby drill and the fact of the matter is the spigots are as open as they get. they're turned all the way open. we're just pumping oil out of the ground like no one's ever seen. these are the facts. it just drives me insane -- you can say that's bad, you can say that's good. it just is the case we are right now the global force, the global hedgemon in energy we probably have never been in my life. >> and imagine if the republicans had that to brag about you'd never hear the end of it. with joe biden having that to brag about arguably if you want to brag about it, republicans are not only pretending it hasn't happened but attacking them as if they will somehow embody his record instead of him. lawrence? >> so the three previous republican presidents would not recognize this as a republican speech. to thea anti-nafta stuff it should be remembered that the nafta negotiations began under

president ronald reagan. they were almost entirely completed under president george h.w. bush. and then bill clinton picked up what had been left, the work done prior to that and got it passed fairly quickly mostly withmo republican votes. more republican votes than democratic votes. that's the history of it. what donald trump did with nafta is exactly what you do with trade agreements like that, which is they just updated it. it's still nafta. it's still there, everything. all the basis of it is still in place. and then if you could quote only two lines, and this goes to george w. bush. the disastrous invasion of iraq, that -- that's what he just called it. the disastrous invasion of iraq. there was a 2004 convention

celebrating that invasion. that convention was held in new yorkve city, and this -- this pretending it didn't happen, pretending it wasn't us and applying it to joe biden. joe biden supported the disastrous invasion of iraq, that was the sentence because he voted for it in the senate as did most democratic senators. and the other one the line i think the audience can work on this one themselves. "we won't cater to wall street, we'll commit to the american man." that's in a republican vice president accepting the nomination speech. and as i sat here stylistic as a convention speaker i had to sit back and trying to remember, what was dick cheney's speech like? i think -- i think it was a little more i exciting. and i know dan quell's was better, and i don't know you'd have to go back to maybe richard

nixon maybe to find something as flat as that as a vice presidential speech. >> is that your critique of it was it was flat and boring? >> the lines were written for the surge from the crowd and he didn't get it. i was wondering two things about that. one of those lines was -- okay, so the invasion of iraq line was actually written for a surge that he didn't get. there was no response to it at all. there was no response to a bunch of these lines, and i wondered is it the crowd? do they not think are those not winning lines with this crowd anymore? are theyow exhausted, or is it s fault asst a speaker? and i suspect it was his fault in his rhythms. he just didn't have -- you know, mike h pence did that preacher thing. he did that christian preacher thing, which that audience understands and knows how to responds to the rhythms of it. he didn't have any rhythms, but we'll see. it's his first one. >> there was a rhythmic outbreak at one r point during the speec when the crowd spontaneously

said "joe must go, joe must go." and vance looked very pleased and allowed that to happen and when it died down he said, i agree. >> he didn't lift that. that's what those speeches can do, it can take them where they are and lift them. it didn't lift him a bit. >> i will note that he lifted the crowd but it was when he threw them red hot meat. and this speech just seemed designed to be the opposite, to make sure he did not have more charisma than the nominee, that he sort of seemed like his sort of nice grandson who didn't really do any harm. he didn't convey the radicalism you so brilliantly laid out in the l open. instead he sort of -- he gave us normal. he kind of gave us something similar to what donald trump ran on in 2016, which was the man of steel speech, where they just talked about, you know, the heart and soul of america is

going to be renewed by donald trump. just a couple of things. he said i think this was a pretty well written isline. america's ruling class wrote the checks, communities like mine paid the price. for t decades that divide betwe the few with their power and comfort in washington and the rest of us only widened. take washington out of there and put wallou street and the hedge funds that he comes from. this is somebody who as you pointed out isso the creature o peter teal. he's not -- he wrote "hillbilly elegy." " but other than writing that book, what has he done that has impacted in ane positive way, a what is he proposing that has impacted in a positive way the working class? meanwhile, here's an associated press headline from today. america's aging infrastructure is getting an upgrade. the i-95 bridge that connects tennessee and arkansas across the mississippi river is going to be upgraded. this funding, it was provided by big infrastructure, president biden's infrastructure bill.fr if you drive anywhere in this country right now you see what i would call biden bucks.

and they should probably call it that at this point. you see this infrastructure spending happening everywhere. you seepe it more if you're in red state. i saw it more when i was down south. i saw it more even in louisiana, someplace that biden will not win, but you can physically see it. and you see these workers with jobs, that's provided by joe biden. joe biden actually -- this is a speech that actually could have been written for joe biden because joe biden has governed as a working class guy. he's a genuinely working class person, and his programs and policies have been hugely beneficial not just toav the working class but to the working class in ret states, and the proof of that is all these republicans are running around takingan credit for it and they voted against it. they're running around at the ground breakingats the joe biden programs that he's class.ng for the working >> alex. >> i know there was not the same red meat sort of blood and soil nationalism you might hear i don't know in another parallel

universe republican conventions, butca i do think there were easr eggs white nationalism in the speech. one of the things that stuck out to me when he started talking about what america is. he said america is not just an idea, it's a group of people with a shared history and a common future. the thing about america is it's not a group of people with a shared history. in fact, i think a lot of people would t argue it's quite the opposite. >> his in-laws don't share the history. >> that's t exactly. he went a long paragraph at least about this plot in eastern kentucky where his six generations of his family are buried, and his hope is that his wife and he are eventually laid to rest there and their kids follow them. and i sort of understand the idea of sharing the burial plot, but it also is -- it reveals someone who believes that the history the family should inherit and indeed the history that should be determinative in the story of the vance family is

the history of the eastern kentucky vances and notor the vances from san diego, which is where his wife is from and wher her indian parents are from. but in america it doesn't always have to be the white male lineage thatte trump -- that defines the family history, that that branch of the tree supersedes all else. and i just think the construction of this notion reveals a lot about someone who fundamentally believes inwh the supremacy of whiteness and masculinity. and it's couched in a housian revisitation of his roots. that america is a place for people where they shared western background, that is the idea of america. that is the nation ofth america that he wants to resurrect. >> i want to interject one thing. since we have beenct talking sie actually mr. vance was speaking, cnn has just posted a new report, and this adds to what we talked about at the top of our coverage this evening, reporting

first from abc news and then "the washington post," nbc news confirming some parts of it but all. but cnn is now citing four sources, saying former house speaker nancy pelosi has privately told president joe biden in a recent conversation that polling shows that president biden cannot defeat donald trump and that biden could destroy democrats chances of winning the house in november if he continues seeking a second term. again, this is according to cnn. this is not confirmed by nbc, but they are citing four sources, which is why i'm bringing this to you. again, thegi earlier reporting this evening was that the top two elected democrats in congress, the democratic leader chuck schumer and democratic leader in thehu house, hakeem jeffries, have bothee reportedl spoken directly one-on-one with president biden telling him that hell cannot win and that at the top of the ticket that the democrats are staring down the barrel of losing the house and the senate, and that he should effectively pass the attorch, tt

he should leave the top of the ticket, not head up the ticket heading intoth november, allow another democrat, presumably his vice president to -- to take over the ticket not only for the prospect of beating donald trump but also so democrats have a chance at the house and the senate. again, this is now chuck schumer, hakeem jeffries, and nancy pelosi, which is a different quality of conversation in terms of the people involved and their influence in this party than the other intraparty democratic conversations that we have been reporting on for these last couple of weeks since the debate. now, i put that to you as i now go back to the floor in milwaukee because i'd like to bring in nbc news correspondent jacob soboroff, who is with somebody right now in milwaukee whoau is very interesting perso to talk to at this moment. is the governor of the great state of ohio, mike dewine. jacob, over to you. >> thanks so much. governor dewine, it's great to

join i you here after listeningo senator vance speech. what's your immediate reaction to hearing him speak tonight? >> what we heard tonight is what we've known in ohio for some time. he's an amazing person, amazing life story. i think he's going to be able to relate well to people and people will relate well to him. this is an introduction really for the national stage. as the campaign goes on what you seego is what this guy is. he's real. >> practically speaking on the issues, you and i were talking a bit vance has a speech about personal family members knowing and died from opioid addiction. it's the biggest crisis in american history in your state in some cases has been at the center of it. i've reported from montgomery county, ohio, where the last couple of years has been at the center of it. practically do you really think we heard a lot of rhetoric about sort of changing the trajectory

of the crisis. can j.d. vance and president trump actually change what's happening with the drug crisis in ruamerica? do you believe that? >> 80% of deaths still are coming from fentanyl. it's coming into the united states, from china up through mexico and up through the border. so u there'sh a direct relationship. this is real, and it's real people, and it's affecting people. every family has got someone they know or a part of the family has been hit by this fentanyl. >> let me ask you my colleagues back at the studio in new york have been talking about this evening. both senator schumer and former nancy pelosi of the house has spoken to president biden and said they have concerns about whether he can win this race. your reaction hearing that news tonight. >> well, that'sew certainly big news. we'll have to watch. i'm not inwe the business of telling democrats what to do. yeah, that's serious when those two, individuals are -- if thas what they told him, yes,

certainly very serious. certainly i would think a game changer. >> a game changer, is that what you said? >> i would think so. >> tell menk why. >> well, these are two very well-respected people. and, you know, the president is a -- is a product of the u.s. senate and is a product of congress, and i would think that them telling him that would have some impact. i don't know. >> governor mike dewine, i appreciate talking to you and a special momentous night in the state ofgh ohio. >> thank you for asking him that question about the breaking news. i appreciate governor dewine able to engage on this even as just learning. that was very interesting. we've got to takeat a break in just a second, but republicans, one of the important ambient stories about what's going on in democratic politics the way republican have held their

tongue about it. you saw that a bit in governor mike dewine, who's a relatively reserved speaker in tenor and tone i think as a long time democrat and republican politician and as ohio's governor. but for himoh to say i'm not in the business of telling democrats what to do, republicans' restraint, i guess you would call it that, strategy in not piling on, not attacking joeon biden, not saying anythin about this, they are desperately hoping that that democrats work this out in a way that is most advantageous to republican wrrnz and it means they are biting their tongues to bleeding on this topic. >> it would be good they would tell the democrats what to do in terms of the nominating calendar in relation to the ohio ballot. there remains some confusion as to whether that law takes effect in september and if it only takes effect in september, does that mean a nomination done on, say,e august 20th won't fit th law, that changed the date?

if we could have got that question to him, governor, can you guarantee that the nominee at the democratic convention in the week of august 20th, can you guarantee that nominee will be on your ohio ballot, that would have been a very interesting answer. >> the dnc does not believe that. they are not confident in it at all, and the rules committee folks have been very clear, and i think i said this yesterday there's a letter circulating among them saying not only do they believe they will not adhere to thatey law, there's a 90-day waiting period that they feel is a gray area. they feel that there might be lawsuits b as to whether or not the democratic party can put a name on that ballot. they are not confident that there won't be shenanigan, and that is one of the reasons they were trying to move up this virtualto vote. >> i was going to say in terms of them biting their tongue until it bleeds. i think they want this excruciating limiting status to extendus as long as possible. i don't know if you sat at the hotel bar tonight with a bunch

of them they would tell you what they think this way or that. my general sense is they think -- g here's what i say of the 30,000 foot view, which is definitely clear from the conversations i've had and clear from what their saying. they're measuring the drapes. like they think this is done. marjorie taylor greene sitting donald trump like the one who went to like -- the weird alt-right sort of holocaust denial adjacent conference. >> no, the literally out loud praisingut hitler conference. >> yes. sorry, i was being too euphemistic. she was there and sitting behind him and they named j.d. vance for his record on abortion, which i don't think they mentioned once in the entire speech. probablyre smart. they are acting with the kind of swagger and the kind of confidence like we have this in the bag. >> nothing changed because we're going to win 40 states. nothing changed and that's how

they're acting. >> that's how they're acting. now, i will also say i don't know if they're right. >> no one knows. >> it reminds me a little like democrats after "access hollywood" like this is done, what are we talking about here? how long is he going to last? >> they went into supreme confidence in that election. >> he remembers overconfidence in 2016 and not being part of that. >> i will also mention mike dewine was a senator, and i so i suspect there may be a little personal commentee there. a lot of these politicians from these old days know joe biden a probably have a bit of respect for him. and i think that was probably why he was so circumspect. >> our colleague stephanie ruhle at the now rapidly emptying beautiful downtown milwaukee. it's never lonely when you're with michael steele.

it's always like there's a party happening around you, even if the room is full because he's michael steele. >> the best man. and i can tell you while michael and i just listened to that speech i have been lfranticall takingsp notes. andra i know you all were evaluatingll stylistically and e performance of j.d. vance's remarks, but i want to fact check it for a moment because that's kind of my big frustration here tonight. j.d. vance has all sorts of views h and policies he could he talked about h that perhaps thi audience sports. he supports a national abortion ban. heal believes that social secury and medicare are the roadblocks to any sort of fiscal sanity. this is who this person -- he didn't talk about anyis of that. he didn't talk about how much he supports project 2025. those are his actual, factual views, and we didn't hear that. but what we did hear and this goes to what joyce said and chris said is all sorts of things that have no connection to his policies.

heto talked about how wages wer stagnant for his whole life until they were stagnated by donald trump and buying energy from dictators around the world. we all know under joe biden we are producing more oil than any other president in u.s.g histo. and one ofes the things out the that really got me is when he was talking about the housing crisis. right, the housing bubble in 2008, that subprime crisis, when people from all over this country especially states like his, people lost their homes. and he said it's because wall street robber barons came in and shorted the market and screwed the american common man. and he's right, that happened. but let's actually talk about who supports donald trump and who his policies support. because you know who i flew out here this homorning, a hedge fu manager named george paulson was on myor flight. he became a billionaire because he massively shorted subprime. so the truth is a guy like john paulson is here sitting in a

suite or sitting with donald trump, ande he was able to rai $45 million for this campaign for donald trump because they're boys. t yet j.d. vance gets up here on the stage and talks to these people like we're going to create an america, and we're going to create policies that are going to help you, and that to me is what is the most t puzzling, right? we're going to take on china, we're going to bring manufacturing back. if you want to bring manufacturing back talk to joe biden because the chips act is bringing back jobs and opportunities around thebr country. and to talk about immigrants stealingmi americans jobs, we he an immigration problem and desperately need comprehensive immigration reform. but to say immigrants are stealing jobs from americans, i just don't know why we're misrepresenting things to this audience who already loves these people. >> you know, the reality is a couple things about the speech right out of the gate. you nailed all the essential elements that are just

incongruent with the reality of where we know j.d.'s stance. but part of this speech was to brush over that and give it a softer patina. remember thea. word went out afr saturday we don't want to deliver the harder message? >> why not make it soft but true? >> well, truth is in the eye of the beholder, right? for this kind of room this is the truth. i think the interesting part of this race going forward with j.d. is the workingman narrative because he's saddled with a billionaire who likes gold toilets. he right now is being supported by aht lot of wall streeters wh are expecting him to deliver them more pegold, right? what's the worker going to get out of that deal? iou mean how do you align these two interests up? because at the end of the day as you told the story a thousand times and it'sry true, the tax t didn't benefit the workers in appalachia. it didn't benefit the workers in

mississippi. it didn't benefit theths worken the eastern shore of maryland where i love, so how are they exactly going to make that work with this newgo updated hillbil elegy that is not necessarily there for hillbillies? >> because the sad truth is in that in the age of misinformation, they'll never know the truth. earlier.oned it think about all the republicans who voted against the american rescue plan who show up to cut ribbons and say, look, we're making everything great. think about all the republicans thatth didn't support the infrastructure act and they're going to stand there and say do you liketa this new bridge? so the t issue is we live in a world of misinformation and news deserts, and people won't know the truth.sen' and while they get up there and talk about the lying media, and the people in the audience are never going to hear the truth. >> and this narrative is further handicapped by the fact as right nowhe as rachel just mentioned moment ago, the democrats are kneecapping themselves over joe biden,ar and so there is no

counter narrative to the story comingiv out of here tonight? what is the democratic narrative here tonight? oh, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, and hakeem jeffries want him to go. and so, look, you can run this race a 1,001 ways, but there's only one way to run it and win it. and the democrats right now are giving every advantage to this house that is about to leave hereab after donald trump's don here tomorrow with a clear glide path -- >> they think. >> they think, they think. butth the reality of it is as lg as the democrats stay parked on the side of the d road and can' put out a counter narrative to what we heard tonight and the way we heard it tonight and what we will certainly hear tomorrow, there we go. >> t rachel? >> michael steele and stephanie ruhle, thank you. make sure you turn off the lights on your way out. we know we can trust you both.ot jen psaki, i wanted to get your taketo on j.d. vance's speech. there's one specific thing i

wanted to ask you about, too. there was one actually quite sour note in the speech which was an ad-lib where he is talking about having gone to ohio state university and there was michigan and ohio state -- and then he said as an ad-lib, haha, we've got enough political violence, hahaha. i'm not -- i don't think of myself ashi a shirking violence around these things, but it does strike me as maybe too soon making a crack at the convention this week when his running mate is sitting there with a bandage on his ear from an assassination attempt. that struck me as actually quite a notable and sour ad-lib moment. what did you think about that and d what did you think about e speech? >> i had the same reaction. i was sitting upstairs not with many people and i'm not not a shrinking violet but i kind of gasped in the moment. not that i'm excusing him, but that is my bet.

i read the speech before i watched the speech, and reading the speech i thought this is -- i don't agree with things in here, but it is a well constructed speech when you reah it. he did not deliver it well. and that was clear from within the first c minute or two. i think the purpose of this speech,pu which i know we've be talking a lot about and all the factlo checking which is so tru and interesting, there are joe biden policies in here. the purpose of the speech i think is meema and the purpose of the speech was to introduce him to the american electorate. this is one of the things when you pick your running mate two days in advance. what'se. clear here vice presidt harris's is a pretty meticulous prepper, but she's probably going to be practicing on the teleprompter soon and i don't know if he wrote the speech beforehand. i think he may have written it t monday, but it is clear he

hasn't practiced it many times, and that was also clear to me. i will say one thing michael steele said, this is a very messy situation for the democratic primary. i'm not going to sugar coat that. this isin the best time for thi to be happening. you're never breaking through in the other party's convention. that's not what happens. >> for the democrats to have this crisis conversations around their ticket it's good to be happening around the rnc? >> well, because they've got toe resolve it soon, but they're going to be overshadowed in this moment anyway. so i'm not trying to kind of shine this too much but i will say i'm not sureis i agree with that particular piece that michael made. >> let me just add one more piece of reporting as we're sort of coming up to the top of the hour here.ho "the new york times" had some really detailed interesting new reporting about the shooting on saturday including some really strikinglu details about the shooter. some of it is process related and very worrying. local officers spotted the young man who eventually was the shooter quite a long time before

the shooting happened, 20 minutes before the violence erupted, a sniper spotted him. they took his picture, they passed his picture around but then they lost sight p of him a didn't know where he was. that's disturbing in terms of the way this was handled as a law enforcement matter. apparently when they got into his phone they found he not only searched forno images of donald trump but biden, merrick garland and christopher wray and searched for names and places of appearances not only for president trump but also for biden. we do not know what this means yet. new york city reporting this this evening. we've got more coverage of the rnc when we continue. stay with us. the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief.

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