thanks for watching. i'm i'm in modine in for stephanie role. you can watch my show saturday and sunday at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. for all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news thanks for staying up late. see you this week. week. okay in the past eight years, donald trump has given three speeches. three accepting his party's nomination for president.

his first speech now feels like a lifetime ago but it will always be remembered for this moment. >> i have joined the political arena so that the powerful can no longer beat up on people who cannot defend themselves. nobody knows the system better than me. which is why i alone can fix it. >> i alone can fix it. that instantly became the thing everyone took away from that speech. it really nailed exactly how trump managed to turn the republican party into a cult of

personality focused on just one man. donald trump himself. but in the eight years since then, the cult of maga has become something of an established religion in american politics. trump spent that time fashioning himself as a quasi messianic figure to his followers. then a bullet narrowly missed his head in pennsylvania. that gave his followers all the confirmation they needed to deify him. to thrust upon him the mandate of heaven itself and trump used his speech last night to take his martyrdom to the next level. >> i'm not supposed to be here tonight. >> yes you are! >> i stand before you in this

arena only by the grace of almighty god. many people say it was a prove den usual moment. when i rose surrounded by secret service. the crowd was confused because they thought it was dead. a few short days ago, my journey with you nearly ended. we know that. and yet here we are tonight all gathered together. we live in a world of miracles. no matter what dangers come our way. no matter what obstacles lie in our path. we will keep striving toward our shared and glorious destiny and we will not fail. we will not fail. >> in his 2016 convention speech, trump did not mention god or christianity once. except for the traditional god bless you at the end of the speech. this year, trump chose to cast himself in nearly biblical terms. a latter day saint sent by god

and resurrected to save the country as its president. at this point it is not just trump claiming he is the chosen one. it is the republican party. >> proverbs 28 read it is wicked flee though no one pursues but the righteous are as bold as a lion. and that truly epitomizes donald trump. he is a lion. >> if you didn't believe in miracles before saturday, you better be believing right now. >> two days ago, evil came for the man we admire and love so much i. thank god that his hand was on president trump. >> you know, i have no doubt that god lowered a shield of protection over president trump. >> god almighty intervened because america is one nation

under god and he is certainly not finished with president trump. >> by the grace of god, divine intervention, and your guardian angels above, you survived. >> now donald trump's religious identity here is more than just rhetoric. for the past four years, trump hads has aligned himself with the christian nationalist movement long part of the republican party base but which has gained enormous influence. this weekend, the rnc adopted a new platform full of christian nationalist agenda items. putting religion into public schools and appointing a federal task force to investigate anti-christian bias. that's in addition to right wing priorities like protecting the unborn, the sanctity of families. going after abortion rights, limiting access to contraception and maybe ending no-fault divorce. so there is a revival happening inside the republican party. one where donald trump plays

the role of preacher and profit and messiah all rolled into one. joining me now are george conway of the anti-psychopath path. susan glasser and new york times opinion columnist. thank you all for being here, george, i absolutely understand the reaction of looking to god in a moment of having your life threatened. and a bullet whizzing by your head. that is a very normal natural human instinct but this seems to be a different order of magnitude. i wonder what you think about that. >> i would like to think of the religious aspect of it as a separate overlay. i would never criticize someone's religious beliefs for

being religious beliefs. what i see here is let's set aside the religious. you have a classic cult and a classic authoritarian or fascist party movement here. and one of the elements of both of those kinds of organizations is there's a absolute cleavage of good versus bad, us versus them. and that's true. that's how you maintain a cult. you are prevented if you are a cult member from going to the outside and being influenced by someone. and also, in politics when you see these authoritarian type, everybody else is the enemy if you are not a member of the party and you have to show absolute loyalty to the party. this just has a religious overlay on it of christian nationalism that really fundamentally is anti-christian because you know, the idea of

hating your enemy and saying some of the things these people say like fjb, you know, is very unchristian. so but it's a toxic, toxic mix because they are using this moment, this moment, you know, god bless him for surviving. that live round missed his head by whatever. they are using this moment to combine the elements of a tradition of cultism and fascism with which i think is sacrilegious, religious overtones. why some of his own party members sarcastically call him orange jesus behind his back. it is very dangerous and very scary and absolutely absurd given the moral content donald trump. >> yeah, what do you think of that using religion as a vehicle to deliver this messianic, to deliver him as a

messianic figure who cannot be questioned and whose authority is absolute? >> i think it is hard to refute that is not only what is happening but that is the intent so when donald trump presents himself as a singular solution so anything that ails you, one of the things he is doing is saying if you do not believe in me, if you do not follow me, you are not just on the side of wrong, you are on the side of evil. when we talk in those binaries, good, bad, evil, the devil, angel binary, what we are doing is we are setting up a singular figure to be the only vehicle for political participation which i will agree is like by definition, a form of fascism. it is coming in the guise of religion is not surprising, we have seen this growing christian nationalist movement in this country for many years.

that it has found an outlet in donald trump. might be mildly surprising. given again his actual history but it shouldn't surprise us that christian nationalism is attracted to power. that has always been the goal of christian nationalism. what should scare us is how successful it is. >> let's talk about the success, susan on one hand, as you point out here, it is donald trump. who is the religious figure in all of this. donald trump, the thrice married philanderer who was questioned if he had sex with a porn star in the last presidential debate. donald trump who has never shown any particular zeal for christianity. and donald trump who last night i have to say, susan, went on and on and on for like 95 minutes and he himself didn't necessarily seem all that convinced of the sermon he was

giving if you will. >> that is absolutely right. i was there in milwaukee at the republican convention and you know, it was two very different speeches that we might have had an even different reaction had donald trump stopped after 15 minutes. he went on so long it was the longest convention acceptance speech that anyone has ever recorded. and believe me. people were losing interest. and not following it. but a lot of it was his standard, very, very divisive untruthful rhetoric. he grafted together a typical trump rally with this sort of i'm your deer leader coming back to the white house for you. it is a little jarring and inconsistent. but the overall vibe you have gotten from trump's presence at this convention was kind of late stage roman emperor. and remember that the romans i

believe made religious cults so it is not at all inconsistent iconography of donald trump has always had a little bit of the imperial grandeur, the extra goal, the columns everywhere. that's very trumpy and so is this newfound rhetoric which as you have said justifies it. but it also plays to the constituency. he has realized perhaps in a way he did not fully get in 2016 as a newcomer to politics, the most faithful core religious block of the republican party as it has been reinvented are really very, very hard right religious nationalists. so those were the voting block in 2016 and 2020 who voted more for him than any other group. so he is also playing politics

by using this language. it didn't strike me as super sincere but it is cynical and calculateed in many respects to be a political position right now. >> we were told it is going to be about unity and it will bring the country together and it was not that at all. and when he went off script, it wasn't to have these moments of introspection or even comedy. there was just more darkness and you know, incoherence. >> there are two things going on. one is the fact his personality did not change as a result of what happened saturday and it will never change because of what happened saturday. he views everything as being about him as a narcissistic sociopath. someone not with him is to be overcome and destroyed.

he doesn't believe in unity unless the unity is him. >> right. unless he is the unity. >> do you think, jd vance struck a more upbeat or congenial note. he is known for saying the same thing susan glasser did. we are in late stage republicanism. we are at the end of the roman empire. he is known for his dark foreboding vision of the fusion. and i wonder the combination of these two individuals, does that bring people in? >> it may bring some people in, but it certainly keeps people in the fold. you have, you know, we have been talking about how there is an ingroup and out group and the cleavage of good and bad.

but part of a way fascist movements and cults develop that in and out system is by telling the people who are in the group there are existential threats from outside the group. that brings the people within the group together and necessarily doesn't result in unity. >> you have new writing about young maga. and i think to george's end, the new recruits to this movement. can you talk a little bit about sort of what is attracting them to this apocalyptic vision? >> i think a few things. one, this messianic performance that donald trump does. it is important for us to understand there is another overlay, which is celebrity. so you get this marriage of two cultures i think young, conservative or conservative leaning people in particular

are very familiar with. they have been formed in the shadow of a rising christianity movement, same everything in their lives has been about celebrity. so they are familiar with preachers, religious figures and celebrities. donald trump says i'm both. right? so i think that is very appealing to young people. i think it is also, you know, the economics matter. the republicans have spent tens of millions of dollars over the last 50 years building an infrastructure to target, develop, build trust, and relationships with young people, in particular, young white people. i think it is important to point out. not just young white people. it is successful with young white men in particular but they are not the only ones susceptible to a messianic

strong daddy like figure that grafts onto their fears about masculinity, about economic mobility. that he is able to capture that. he is the beneficiary then of a whole lot of investment in developing that infrastructure. i would point out that young people like to be entertained and something that donald trump has always understood, perhaps better than any contemporary politician is that politics is entertainment. >> yeah. i mean and i get that susan. but hulk hogan? the hulkster? it felt more like last call at vegas than it did show time on the main stage here at radio city. i just, it did not seem like trump was at the top of his game last night. >> the hulk hogan thing was in some respects a very fitting opening to the finale of this

convention. it was a joke, it was a circus. and you know some people might buy ticket to that show. my guess is most people wouldn't buy tickets to that show. it is not taylor swift and it is probably not a majority either of young people or of people in this country who want to go to that show. you know. i did find it was a very interesting contrast in this year's convention from eight years ago from say in cleveland there was a sense of a party whose future and soul was up for grabs. there was a fight still on at the republican convention back when donald trump first became the nominee. ted cruz famously gave that speech and said vote your conscious and wouldn't endorse trump then you had this time, it was a less friction filled atmospherement all of the other thinkers had been purged or certainly haven't shown up. the remaining non-maga fragments of this party.

even nikki haley who did show up was very uncomfortable. she was about the only speaker who didn't go on and on and on about donald trump's magical personal qualities and i just think that is important. this was a show for the dedicated inner core of the maga faithful and you know, i don't know. i think maybe for them, too, it was a little bit too much of a joke. hulk hogan, crazy voice. he sounded like some kind of disney version of a wrestling star making a political speech. it was really weird to see it in person. >> maybe he is a really big star in the strange parallel universe we seem to have found ourselves in. or at least for one night. susan, thank you for your time tonight. jesse and george, please stick around. we have a lot more to get to, tonight including new reporting on the behind the scenes negotiations in the democratic

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as of this evening 35 house and senate democrats are publicly asking president biden to drop out of the 2024 presidential race. privately leaving democrats including speaker amerita nancy pelosi and former president barack obama have reportedly raised concerns about president biden staying in the race. new reporting from politico says pelosi has voiced support for an open nomination process if president biden does indeed bow out. but that is still very much a big if. so far, the president has not indicated he is going anywhere. after testing positive for covid earlier this week, biden said he will be back on the campaign trail. the stakes are high, and the choice is clear. together we will win. george, first of all, i mean, from the outside slash inside, where would you find yourself in partisan affiliation, it

seems like this is not a good thing for the democratic party in open deliberation. it is a marketed contrast. >> it is a personality cult. the other is a political party focused on the interests of the policies and the goals it seeks and also in this case, the country is at stake in this election. in a way it hasn't been since 1864. so i look at it that way. it is just important for this to get resolved so the pro

democracy pro antiauthoritarian coalition, if it is determined joe biden will be the nominee. or you f you got the nomination, we would all get right behind you. >> we know that isn't happening. that is a really important point. it can get reformed not just around a new candidate, but joe biden. because the sort of fundamental interests here are so compelling, as inconvenient as this chapter has been, when it is over, the wagons will circle back. >> that energy is pulling the democrats apart now. that existential concern about the future. >> eugene, welcome. my question to you is we have these statements from senators including john tester and jared brown.

the fact the democratic firmment is still putting this stuff out, democratic leadership is not convinced that president biden is taking seriously enough their concerns and truly considering bowing out. what is your read of this situation? >> i don't think anyone would consider you a layperson when it comes to politics but also, you are exactly right. if you are reading into seeing these things still happening. these calls for president biden to drop out still cascading, that is leadership allowing it to happen. telling people that it is okay. and also more importantly, telling president biden and his team at times they don't believe he can win. if nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries thought that president biden could win and everyone need today be quite and get in line, how the biden campaign believes they should be behaving, then that would happen. this is a party that despite most things and how they fight when it comes to the hill, they often get in line.

they would definitely get in line if they thought that it would damage the candidacy of joe biden. what you are seeing is this intense fear, this worry about the existential threat democrats feel donald trump poses that is causing all of this. when you look at down ballot, they are showing them that joe biden is a drag on the ticket. could that change? absolutely. we have three-and-a-half four months of this election. and show much could focus after the convention. but at this point, they don't think that joe biden can actually help them win. and that has not changed. we wouldn't be having this conversation if the biden team did not demand that there was a debate before he got the nomination, right? that june 27th debate will be

the most consequential no matter what happens. in modern political history. especially in the democratic party. he get it is nomination in august. no matter how bad he might have been in any of these debates, they wouldn't be calling for him to leave. they would call to bring the wagons together. >> i was shocked by the reporting in politico that nancy pelosi is calling for i guess shocked is maybe an overstatement. but i was surprised that the former speaker of the house would be calling for an open convention. she was not want it to seem like a coronation of the vice president. that seems like a very fraught and risky calculation. given not only the fact she is the vice president. but also the calendar. what do you make of that? >> i'm a little shocked by how

she is framing this. i think it is really a problem to be talking about what would really be a procedural issue turning the convention into that. the typical voter, my sense is that regular slow fors are not following the ins and outs of whether or not biden should remove himself from the ticket. they will be tuning in to the convention. so i would suspect you don't want to go before the general public. and instead of talking to them about the election, and about the stakes of the election, you will be talking to them about procedure. i'm surprised she would call it a coronation. i want to challenge that just a little bit. i'm not sure what a vice president is, if a vice president isn't the person who is supposed to fulfill the duties of presidency if the president cannot fulfill them. so if you are saying that joe

biden would of his own esteem withdraw from the ticket, the american public, the voters have actually already said who they think should step into that role. i think calling it a coronation when there is an actual candidate on the other side, donald trump, who is literally trying to appoint himself king, right? to start using that for the democratic party when they are the only party that is still trying to have a fair election. >> you have some reporting eugene, that there is behind the scenes effort on the part of allies, supporters of kamala harris to make sure that she is not passed over for this. can you talk a little more about that? >> yeah, this is something the vice president and her team are not a part of. but allies of her. members of the congressional black caucus on the hill. civil rights leaders who are kind of quietly building an apparatus someone told me so that if and when it is needed,

they can turn the lights on. and so that means they are having conversations about what a team and a campaign would look like. what would the message most importantly be. what you heard about vice president harris and i have been covering her this entire time, is now she is someone who is a much better messenger than she was. she is someone who has led on probably the most important issue. best issue politically for democrats. in the selection of reproductive freedom. what they don't want is for that to be the only message. so they are leaning into the 150 foreign trips that she has done. leaning into all of the domestic wins she has had and been a part of. for them, gretchen whitmer, josh shapiro, gavin noisome. somebody who doesn't have that

national image or federal negotiating that vice president has at this point, they wouldn't be ready it is something they are working on. she doesn't have a political apparatus so we have to build it around her and they have to be careful. they don't want to make it seem like vice president harris is angling for this. because the awkwardness would be intense. and as a black woman, they know that all of the racism that would come with her seemingly pushing him out and off the ticket would be something that the democratic party would have a hard time dealing with. >> the whole thing is quite awkward. but i absolutely understand the strategy there. thank you all for making the

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monday a major ruling was handed down from a highly respected federal judge in florida. aileen cannon. finding that the prosecutor and fake documents case against me were totally unconstitutional. and the entire case was thrown out of court. all of that thrown out of court. >> donald trump and his convention speech last night thanked the highly respected judge who he appointed and who has seemingly gone out of her way to rule in trump's favor repeatedly. in response to her ruling, trump's lead defense attorney chris kai said quote jack smith, the special council must respect the rule of law, shut down his office and end this unconstitutional abuse of power. for the record, special council smith does not appear to be packing up any time soon. his office filed an appeal with the 11th circuit right away.

joining me now is christy greenburg, a former federal prosecutor who served over a decade in the southern district of new york. christy, okay. this 11th circuit has slapped down one of judge cannon's decisions earlier. the special master call she made. do you see them disagrees with her on this decision to throw out the case? >> yes. absolutely yes. just to get a sense of how bad this argument is, trump's lawyers didn't make this argument in a dc case. they didn't try it. it came up during oral arguments in the presidential immunity case by justice thomas. he said are you organizing this here? no. we didn't. we argued it in florida, but not here. why? why the difference? well there is very clear precedent in dc that special counsels are just fine.

two appellate courts have upheld it. it is deeply rooted tradition, there is a supreme court case on point. so it is such a bad ruling, it is so devoid of looking at the stat tour text, the history i think this will be overturned. >> you mentioned clarence thomas and bret kavanaugh who would seem to be a supporter of the special counsel. but it was like a big red flag like hey, aileen cannon, in case you want to dismiss that case, here is my opinion on that which is in support of you dismissing this case. he wrote that in the immunity ruling. first of all, is this going to get appealed and do you think the clarence thomas' opinion here holds sway with the other conservative members of the court or enough of them to uphold her decision? >> i think it will assumeing

the 11th circuit does the right thing. at least it is notable no other justice joined justice thomas in that. now, the reason for that may be that the fact is no attorney had raised it before them. it had not been briefed. it wasn't argued. justice thomas decided to wave this flag before judge cannon. cut and paste my reasoning into your opinion. >> setting the supreme court aside for a minute. given the transparently partisan, i'm not a lawyer, but even from the outside, she looks transparently partisan. do you think there is a real movement to file a writ of mandamus? to get her taken off the case? is that something that the

special counsel's office will eventually do and could it be granted by the 11th circuit? >> i think they don't want to put the cart before the horse just yet. they want the ruling from the 11th circuit that she was wrong about the special counsel appointment ruling. once they get two in a row from the 11 circuit where they show she is dead wrong on the law, they can say look at these two rulings and look at a number of other rulings that she has had or nonrulings as it were in the district court. put all that together and say you need to remove her. i think it will be absolutely right and they should do it. don't wait. don't let it go back to her. she will just make another ruling and we are here months and months again. >> you sound cautiously optimistic this will find a way forward. >> it's hard to say. all roads lead to the supreme court. i don't think there is any way to feel confident about what they will do given what we have

seen. >> there are no guarantees. >> christy, thank you for your legal wisdom my friend. coming up, what exactly, what exactly happened to donald trump during the attempt on his life last weekend and why exactly do we not know more? dr. vin joins me to discuss all of that. stay with us. of that. stay with us. (♪♪) (♪♪) voltaren... for long lasting arthritis pain relief. (♪♪)

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the funeral of corey compratore. the man shot and killed at a trump rally in butler, pennsylvania last saturday while shielding his wife and daughter from gunfire. the gunman, 20-year-old thomas matthew crooks, was shot dead by police at the scene. and while his motive remains unclear, we are getting new details about his where abouts and search history. multiple law enforcement sources, the first to report that the shooter was able to fly a drone to get aerial footage of the rally location just hours before trump was slated to speak. a drone and drone equipment were both recovered from the shooter's vehicle as was a bullet proof vest and explosives. the shooter's electronic devices showed searches for donald trump. and joe biden as well as other officials. and the dates for this year's democrat national convention. police are still investigating how the gunman was able to fire his rifle. roughly 150 yards away from where donald trump was

speaking. he reportedly scouted the location days before the shooting and was reported as a suspicious person at least an hour before he opened fire. monday, too secret service is scheduled to testify before the house oversight committee where we expect to get more information. all this investigations stand in stark contrast on the utter silence on the part of the trump campaign as it concerns the former president and current republican nominee and the injuries trump sustained in this attack. as the associated press reports, the public is still in the dark on the extent of his injuries, the treatment he received in the hospital and whether there may be any long term effects on his health. the only information we get is from republican congressman ronnie jackson, his former white house doctor who appeared

this week on a podcast. >> did you do any medical assessment on the president? >> i checked his ear out. so yeah. >> is he missings a piece of his ear? >> a little bit at the top. it will granulate and heal in. he won't need anything to be done with it. it is going to be fine. >> i will be speaking with dr. vin gupta about this right after the break. is right after the break. with whole meat and veggies. it's not dry food. it's not wet food. it's just real food. it's an idea whose time has come.

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it is an interesting statistic. the ears are the bloodiest part. if something happens to them, they bleed more than any other part of the body. for half reason. the doctors said. why is there so much blood? it is the ears, they blood more. so we learn something. >> the ears are the bloodiest part of the human body. aside from that, we have gotten very little official information about the former president's condition.

texas congressman ronnie jackson has said the bullet took off the top of trump's ear. his son eric said the wound did not require stitches. but that is basically it. joining me now is dr. vin gupta. dr. gupta, this seems like given what we have known from previous presidential nominees and current presidents, like an unusual black-out of medical information, i wonder if it seems unusual to you and if you know, what you would like to know about the president's condition? >> absolutely. something for you to look up. the tangential gunshot wound. he had a high velocity weapon shoot directly at his head. missed, penetrating his l, but actually impacting the surrounding tissues, in this case, his ear.

that is what we are being told. that is serious, i come from a military background. that predisposes to a traumatic brain injury. over time, we may not see initial symptoms up front. there might be bleeding that didn't show up on the ct scan. there are a lot of potential impacts that could impact his functioning if he is the next president. to his balance, to his hearing. it can manifest over time. so this is a big deal. tangential gunshot wound. we see them all the time in the armed forces. they can have secondary impacts. >> are there particular things you would want to know about his treatment? either immediately after the assassination attempt or now? >> absolutely. eric trump said there was no stitches needed. that's a big deal. the implication is well gosh, they were able to control the

bleeding from an impact that somehow took off a part of his ear from an ar style weapon. the kinetic impact is massive. if was really a bullet injury, it would cause significant soft tissue damage. were they able to control the bleeding without stitches just to confirm what eric trump is saying? what was it like? derma bond? do they do a full neurological exam. is his hearing and balance intact? we don't know. >> i do want to ask because the president talked at length about it. he said the ears are the bloodiest part of the body. there was a large volume of blood. he made note of that last night. is that true? >> i heard the same thing. i don't know what anatomy

textbook him and his doctors used but that struck me as a bit nonsensical. you can say the lips or above the eyes frankly are more vascular. certainly the heart is the most vascular part of the body. it was a random comment. it is not rooted in any actual evidence. but surface wound standpoint, the scalp, highly vascular, lips. that is more bloody so it was a random comment. >> there are obviously a lot of serious medical questions we would hope we will get a little more transparency on in the coming days and weeks. dr. gupta, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. that is our show for tonight. now it is time for the last word with my buddy jonathan capehart. with my buddy jonath capehart. >> there are obviously a lot of questions, serious medical questions we would hope we will get a little bit more transparency and in the coming days at least. dr. vin gupta, great to have your expertise. thanks for your time tonight. that is our show for tonight. no, it is time for the last word with jonathan capehart, who is in for lawrence. >> that evening, alex. i was hoping you're going to ask dr. goop