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>> welcome back, you are watching a special third hour of the weekend this morning. president biden insisting he will remain on the 2024 ticket even as congressional deck at -- democrats say you should step aside. after dates being sidelined by

but, his team is planning trips to georgia and texas when he bounces back. axios reports democratic officials are urging biden to make a decision on his future this weekend but many biden officials, including the president himself, indicated that the matter is already settled. joining us now, deputy campaign manager for biden/harris 2024, quentin fulks. >> it is good to see you my friend. i want to start with comments from nancy pelosi at the unity dinner in a north carolina last night. >> elections are not about rewarding you for what you have done. they are about what you are going to do next. and what you are going to do next, we can prove as president biden, vice president kamala harris did, as we did, as the democratic majority, that we know how to do the job. >> so nancy pelosi says we know how to do the job. this is not about what we did, what we're going to do, and why does everyone believe still wet the democratic party, that joe

biden cannot do the job and we were on with congressman smith who made it clear, and now you have others coming out and saying the same, joe biden cannot do the job. how do you break this, how do you turn this around? the president said i'm not going anywhere, so why haven't people gotten the message that >> look, we are going to listen to voters. i want to be very clear about this, michael. it is a privilege to sit around and play games with what is going on right now, and at the end of the day the voters who have the most at stake in this election, and once it will suffer the most under a second donald trump presidency are not saying that to us. they start saying that, we have a problem. black voters worried about jobs and progress being made under donald trump's racist agenda are not saying that. women were worried about

reproductive items, they are not saying that. women like hadley duval are not saying that. latino voters sitting at home wondering why donald trump at the architect of the family separation on stage with them, they are not saying that. what we respect the work of that , some of these individuals calling for the president to step aside have helped democrats do, and he appreciates that, we're going to listen to the back bone and base of the democratic party when it comes to deciding the future of the democratic party and our campaign is on course to communicate with these individuals. joe biden said he staying, our campaign has said he staying in. i don't know how many times we can say it but the matter to us is the voters. they're going to decide this election and that is what our campaign is focused on communicating with. >> what is the conversation with members of congress, who do seem to be, as i've been

describing it, resolute in opposition to the president's candidacy, the president has also been resolute at this moment in time as you reiterated here, that he staying in this race. what is a conversation? congressman smith, who was just on with us, noted that part of his impetus to come forward is because he felt brushed off, dismissed by the white house what he called and registered his concerns. are you all, essentially going to plot forward and with these members of congress, continuing to come out and call for the president's removal, or is there some kind of mea culpa that could happen here? >> look, every single moment we spent talking about this, we are not spent talking about donald trump, project 2025, the fact they want a nationwide abortion ban, the fact they want to get rid of but government agencies, the fact they want to bring back subrogation and mass deportation across this nation. our messages every moment we spend talking about this, we move further from the goal and we have to communicate with

american voters about what is at stake in this election. and as speaker pelosi said, those with most at stake understand those in this country will be bad for them if donald trump ever regains power in the white house. so i do not think our campaign, or the president is dismissive of concerns but when the question repeatedly is, are you staying in the race, we have given an answer to that question. but if the question becomes how are we going to win, let's talk about donald trump and his vision for this country and how is going to run into the ground and hurt americans, the ones the democratic party represents, then we are open to that discussion so we will continue to medicate with voters as we have been since the beginning and using the apparatus this campaign has built, since last april to do that. >> let's talk about donald trump, because he was at a rally in michigan last night, trying to distance himself from project 2025. take a listen. >> like some on the right, severe right, came up with this

project 25, and i don't even know. some of them, i know who they are but they are very, very conservative, like you have, sort of the opposite of the radical left. you have the radical left and you have the radical right and they come up with this. i don't know what the hell is, this project 25. >> i'm going to borrow some language from michael steele, it is a straight up lie. i wonder as he tries to hide the ball, if you will hold his feet to the fire and make him on this. >> we continue to talk about how extreme he's gotten since the lot -- left the white house. we thought it was bad in 2020 and what we went through during that campaign and the four years he was president. but we see he's only become work stream. you talking about the severe right, he is the severe right. now it is not just abortion, it is ivf, family planning, monitoring pregnancies, putting women in jail, his black jobs. he's come back with a vengeance

and because of the supreme court he largely appointed have given him immunity, the things he saying he's going to implement, he's talking about the architects of project 2025, he appointed them in his cabinet and that high-profile positions. that plan calls for an institution to train people, trump loyalists to be put in a government. donald trump is lying, it is all he knows how to do. is only in this campaign for revenge, retribution and to get back at political enemies and he will have the ability to do that if he gets in office. so from now until election day we have to continue to communicate about the stakes of this election and donald trump will rollback all of the progress he has made and worse than that, he does not have a plan. moving forward for anybody in this country except the wealthiest and big corporations and people who will pledge extreme loyalty to him like j.d. vance. >> on that broader point, of sort of the refocusing the campaign strategy now, and making this about trump, how do you feel about where you are

with your donor class, you've got your base and i agree with you, your base, every bit of data i have seen, the base is consolidated around the president. they have not fractured from him and even international polling if some of the media would be honest about where the race is, this is a two to three point national race right now, despite everything that has happened, all the noise from smith, joe manchin jumping ship, and he's an independent who really cares. at the end of the day, you still get back to the point, between your base and your donors. you had nbc noting vice president did a donor call in which basically donors walked away feeling frustrated and annoyed. look, you don't know, and unless you were on the call, to get an appreciation of how it went, but these are the narratives coming out of these meetings. that i don't think help.

how do you sure up that aspect of your campaign as you are also trying to lock and load and hold in place your base >> look, i think they go hand in hand. i think it is continuing to do the work we have been doing for our base and showing the strength of our campaign over 1200 staffers in battleground states, over 300 officers in the battleground states, to show we are communicating and using resources. the people graciously donate to the campaign, whether major donor or grassroots to this campaign, they go hand-in-hand. folks want to be reassured. they want to be part of something they know is working. our campaign will continue to have these conversations both with donors, elected officials who want to have them, but most importantly, with voters on the ground about what is at stake. so look, i look at this as a tripod and we have to have a number of, all the lights have to be strong for it to work and

we are going to do everything we can, every single day to make sure we are accomplishing that goal. i think the grassroots fundraising on this campaign has been incredibly strong. we saw during the first week of this month alone we had the strongest grassroots week we have ever had and we feel optimistic about where we are. we will continue to use every single resource and dollar that comes into this campaign. right back on the ground or on the airways, communicating with voters about what is at stake and the issues i laid out earlier. >> went in, we have a short time but the president said he would be back on the campaign trail, he looks forward to getting back on the trail this upcoming week. he has a meeting, where has scheduled with prime minister netanyahu, among other things, getting back into business as he recovers from -- and comes out of covid-19. just, i hear your message about you all have answered the question but there are so many reports, and frankly, i feel for your possession. but there are many reports the president and his team are considering and the president

is talking and family is considering -- the people would like to now, and i don't think anybody would be surprised, if you said, it was a discussion. has there been any kind of discussion about, if he should stay in this race and if not, what do you say to these reports, that -- frankly, one outlet saying something is a one-off but every single outlet has it. >> it is false. and i think it is falls to continue to gin up this narrative. joe biden said he's in this race. is in this race to win it. he is instructing us to carry out a plan, to make sure we're communicating with as many voters as possible. actions speak louder than words although in this case i wish our words would speak louder so people would stop asking this question, but we are doing both. the president double down and cities running to win it and is

not going anywhere. we look forward to our convention in chicago but we are continuing to communicate with voters and show through action what the president is doing and he as well as the vice president with their travel, hitting every blue allstate, to las vegas, to the naacp congress. joe biden is running for the president of the united states and joe biden and kamala harris will be re-elected in november. >> i don't know what they are paying you my friend but i tell you it is not enough. thank you for your time. up next, a timely new book about the history of former presidents who views power while in office. the author of the presidents and the people joins us after this. you are watching the weekend. progressive makes it easy to save with a quick commercial auto quote online. so you can get back to your monster to-do list. -really? -get a quote at progresivecommercial.com.

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how much power should the president of the united states have? i found myself asking this question a lot in recent weeks. our nation has confronted this question itself in several

moments of history, before the one we currently find ourselves in. but this moment, frankly is a little more pivotal when you have donald trump praising the world authoritarians. last night he called xi jinping of china brilliant and per usual praise vladimir putin for being smart and tough. joining us is 1023, a political scientist professor at brown university and is author of the book, the presidents and the people, five leaders who threatened democracy and citizens who fought for it. also with us is jason johnson, associate professor of communication and journalism at morgan state university. >> professor, when you talk about the abuse of constitutional powers, how does that framework change when you have the supreme court claiming the presidents have immunity from credible -- criminal prosecution? >> the warning of the book which is about the threat of the presidency exploded and the court blew up what was always a danger and something that is so

much more. there had long been debate about whether sitting presidents have immunity from execution and the court has said when it comes to their official duties, warmer presidents have immunity and really what it does, is it undercuts one of the primary parts of what a democratic society is about and that is the notion that no person is above the law. >> dr. johnson, professor. >> yes. >> i think corey's book really gives some interesting insights into how presidents see their power and use their power. and how they project that power. i would like you to listen to donald trump leaning into some of the divisive rhetoric at his rally, and assassination attempt. let's take a quick listen. >> it is no wonder joe biden and his are desperate to stop us, they know that we are the only ones who can stop them. we are the only ones. we talk about biden like he is

a feeble little guy, and he is. he is. that it is the purple -- people who surround him, the fascists and communists and some bad people surround him. >> there's a thing called projection, -- a little thing called projection. >> yes. >> i hope people understand and appreciate, is a presidential superpower, to project out some things. so when he says that the people that surround him, he's perfect for them, this is the fascistss and communistss and that people who surround him. i cannot help but appreciate the irony, the fact that this is trump talking about himself. >> except for the communist part. every accusation is a confession and we know how trump operates. what i find most fascinating about this book which highlights most of us have been paying attention to for years, the idea that framers of the

constitution for many of the brilliant things they did, the core mistake was to assume the president was a fundamentally decent human being. if you elected somebody who wasn't a good person, they're going to get in office and wait a minute, these guardrails are made of silly string. i can do what i want and it is essentially what we have with donald trump and now it is going to be codified in project 2025. so it is a must, the democrats and people who care about the health of our democracy fight back. because we don't have enough guardrails to protect ourselves against someone who's morally unfit in addition to being intellectually unfit to run this country. bucket is such an important point. our team found this clip from a very infamous, this 1977 interview between journalist david frost and former president richard nixon. take a listen. >> we are going to say that there are certain situations, and the houston -- was one of them. where the president can decide that it is in the best interest

of the nation, or something, and to do something illegal. >> when the president does it, that means it is not illegal. >> professor brettschneider, that , what jason was saying, it is summed up right there in and one clip. but the guardrails in this incident are members of congress, who stood up to that president, because he was doing something illegal, not because he did that after a debate, and asked to do what was best for the republic. the guardrails were there and if he didn't step down they were poised and ready to impeach. the guardrails, this congress and -- i'm not confident that the guardrails exist. >> yes, and it is a huge part of what the book is about, the threat, we are taught in and

civics class, the supreme court can save democracy, congress can save democracy and as you heard, the point of the book is from the beginning as patrick henry warned, those checks often have not worked. so think of john adams, who in in the in sedition act tried to shut down the opposition party, or president buchanan who lobbied the supreme court to deny black people essentially all rights in the dred scott case. or as you heard, richard nixon who believed the country was in a civil war and he could do whatever he wished. the thing that saved us, the hope comes not from the court and often not from congress. it comes from the people themselves, newspaper editors who fought back against adams and let's not forget frederick douglass who reclaimed the constitution for democracy against a supreme court that would destroyed. roger goblet -- frederick douglass should be regarded as the founder of american democracy. the pardon, we never got to see that president held to account. never got to see the crimes, such as the attempted break-in at the brookings institution. his order to take a safe out.

to rob it on a free pre-basis, as he puts it on the tapes. these are things we should've seen in a criminal trial, but the pardons stopped all of that. so throughout american history, and i say it in the book, we have recovered that citizens have given us hope by reclaiming democracy against adams, against buchanan. when it came to nixon, citizens of the grand jury, residents of washington, d.c. who tried to indict the president were stopped by the pardon and we never got to see justice done. and really that is what we've got to do, we've got to reclaim this constitution for ourselves. we got to see democracy restored. not by the court. that is not going to have it. not by congress. but by citizens demanding the restoration of a democratic constitution and saving it from what unfortunately some presidents have seen as an authoritarian constitution. >> you have a question? >> dr. johnson -- >> go ahead. >> i have a quick question, as somebody, i have studied

cyclical history and noted the '20s to '60s, the 1820s to 1860s, the 1920s to 1960s, to be bad times for functionality in this country. you mentioned it took almost 40 years after woodrow wilson before we had a civil rights movement to push back against racism. what was the timeline, and many people to understand that if donald trump gets back into office we are probably not going to live to see the other end of how long it takes to get this sort of administration out. talk about what the next 40 or 50 years could look like in this country if he gets into office and changes the constitution and changes policies to make it almost impossible for him and his ilk to be removed? >> sometimes recoveries come fast and adams was defeated by jefferson, by the newspaper editors who fought back and demanded the expiration of the sedition act. woodrow wilson and nationalization really is not segregation, but american apartheid, that took decades

and came at the hands, it is often credited to the brown case but you noted, people unknown heroes like sadie alexander during the treatment at lustration demanded the restoration of democracy and in that case it took decades. if trump wins and that is why this election is a referendum on democracy, already to save it, it could easily be decades before we recover and that fits with the wilson case. >> corey brettschneider, we have enjoyed having you on. i hope you will join us again soon. jason johnson, you are sticking with us. we want to discuss lifelong republican ray hogan speaking out against trump's project 2025. the book you heard, it is called the president and the people, five leaders who threaten democracy. be sure to check it out. we will see you on the other side of this break. break. (♪♪) bounce back fast from heartburn with

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donald trump's project 2025 has become too much for some republicans to take. former maryland governor larry hogan, who is currently running for the state's open u.s. senate seat wrote an op-ed in the washington post blasting the plan and saying it shreds american values. he writes quote, toxic politics on both sides of the aisle are undermining faith in our system of government. but project 2025 tends this disturbing trend into overdrive. casting aside the checks on the presidential power, that are protecting our democracy for more than 200 years. jason johnson is back with us. dr. johnson, project 2025, larry hogan, who's really moved, and as always been in the vein of his dad, the first member of congress, republican member to go and say richard nixon, you need to stand down. he's sending up this alarm about what project 2025, institutionally means, to our

country and on the heels of the question you asked, professor brettschneider at the end of the last segment about the unpacking of all of this , should project 2025 actually become the new foundation. talked to us about what this looks like and what it means to have someone like larry hogan and other republicans like myself and others saying timeout, this is not what you think it is. >> this is the canary in the coal mine and everybody in politics likes to operate off anecdotes. i'm going to do the same thing. project 2025 is the thing i hear from people who i know, who don't care about politics. i'm out at dinner with friends of mine a couple of days ago and my friend dwight, shut out to dwight, my 14-year-old daughter said dad, do you know what project 2025 is? she's on tiktok. my barber is saying there's a section of project 2025 but talk about ending public schools in washington, d.c. people who don't generally care about politics have heard about

budget 2025, 60% of democrats have a bad opinion of it. 40% of independents have a bad opinion about it. strategically it is the most powerful organic thing that democrats have in order to defeat republicans heading into the fall. as a practical matter, is a fascist manifesto. that is all it is, donald trump saying i'm going to take over the government, everything is mine, i'm going to make sure everything from the fda to the fcc and everything else is completely under my control. it will completely disrupt the economy. you know how idiotic it is to say you are going to fire 50,000 federal employees in the first 100 days and go nifty thousand, i used to live in ohio, there are nasa offices. we're not just talking about d.c. federal government jobs are a key part of economies all over the country. so i think it is the number one thing. republicans may be afraid of joe biden, they may be afraid of what happens after the

convention but they are afraid of a policy that is organically -- mentioned that we could go that project 2025 has now surpassed taylor swift as the most googled topic in america. i think a week and a half ago. it had reached a peak about two weeks ago. so that is what democrats should be talking about now because that is the policy people should be concerned of. >> thank you taraji p. henson for the google searches. >> yes. >> that is part of why you say that. articulation dr. johnson of project 2025 is more on point than the way larry hogan describes it. he writes this, more from his op-ed. most americans regardless of party affiliation have more in common than many realize. they want common sense solutions to address cost of living, make community safer and secure the border while fixing the broken immigration system. i agree with that part. instead of addressing the problems, project 2025 ops for war against the other side, making it impossible to find

common ground. i'm not entirely sure that is the frame. that it is about the fact they are ideological swinging so far in one direction, that it makes something like optimize and possible. i think it is important that we understand just how radical this is. that this is not a conservative document. this is a fundamental reimagining of american government, and america itself. >> i agree, and i also think larry hogan is an example of where republicans are legitimately concerned about this. i don't think he's going to win anyway, that would be my guess. i get too many text messages from his campaign trying to reintroduce them. if you're trying to reintroduce yourself after you've been governor, you're probably down

in the polls but he's not the only republican talking about this. if you are a swing state republican, you are worried about project 2025. if you are a down ballot republican you are worried about project 2025. i wish the democrats, spent as much time talking about the horrific policy agenda of opponents as they spent the last 21 days attacking joe biden because that is where victory lives. victory lies in the fact democrats have a massive advantage among democrats, among independents, among new voters in the policies, that they are proposing as opposed to republicans. abortion, project 2025, the border, the supreme court, all places democrats are more powerful than republicans. larry hogan a thing everyone else understands. >> the intercept wrote a piece about people leaving project 2025. because it is unpopular. the list keeps growing. being listed on an advisory board indicated we endorse everything listed. that is not the case, holly -- the mackinac -- one of these republican think tanks. the mackinac center, we did not sign our names to things we did not endorse. they signed on to it without

knowing what was inside it? they signed on as a time -- nobody knew and were talking about it. the rest of us didn't know but the people inside, the arctic -- the architects new. but now, i do not support all of these things, but they don't say what they don't support. they are not saying. even larry hogan didn't say which part. you do not support the comstock act piece, do not support -- you are against changing the department of health to department of life. are you against firing 50,000 government employees. as michael challenged the heritage foundation president brett on our show about. what part of it are they for? >> i'm amused all these people running around saying i'm not an arsonist with smudges on their fingers. that is what it is. is all over the place. i see your fingerprints all on this and it is amazing to me. and again, it is the one thing we've seen republicans be afraid of.

donald trump tweets about it. larry hogan is talking about it. that is what they fear. it is interesting because most people are not going to read 500 pages. -- 900 pages. i cut myself among the few people who have read the entire report. it is 900 pages long but now that regular people are getting access to it, it is the thing they fear. it is such a branding mistake, they should use better branding. if they caught it project for america or ideas for the future it would be find the project 2025 sounds like a doomsday device that a bond billing came up with and that is why people are afraid. >> and can you can find it right here on the internet. >> it is right laid out for you. >> just google it. dr. jason johnson, we appreciate you. thank you very much. knew today, breaking this hour, one of the top tight end/harris fundraiser said publicly she would support vice president harris president biden decided to step inside. you are watching weekend. week

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37 members of congress have called a president biden to end his campaign with senator joe manchin being the latest. biden campaign insists the president is remaining in the race. quentin fulks told us as such at the top of the hour but according to reporting from nbc news, member of the biden family have been discussing a potential at the plan. joining us now is lindy li,

democratic strategist and member of the biden/harris national finance committee. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much for having me. >> lindy, you made the arguments it needs to be president biden but if it is not president biden it needs to be vice president harris. i'm curious how much her decision to come forward with that is about concern, on your part, that there is part of the party that wants to leapfrog vice president harris. >> what i think actually a huge part of it is that reason you bring up, skipping her would be political malpractice. she has been amazing, a communicator on behalf of the white house. she is a prosecutor, out there every single day, effectively litigating the case against convicted felon donald trump. and he remains, he faced 88 criminal charges, four indictments, two impeachments and a guilty verdict. and attempted assassination attempt, as heinous as it was does not change any of that. >> lindy, i am struck. you serve on the finance

committee for the biden/harris campaign and so, i know you have been talking to other donors. what is the conversation? are people truly -- i think the opposition to the presidents candidates he is relieved in their stance and i also think the biden campaign is resolute in their stands. what are the donors saying? >> you know how love joe biden, and you do too. so it breaks my heart to say this but donors are concerned. >> are you concerned? >> i am concerned they are concerned. i am with joe biden, almost unconditional. i love him. but if i can't convince these people -- suddenly they are nowhere to be found, it is a problem and it is an ongoing process and some of them are coming around. i'm telling you, i'm telling them it is a binary choice not between biden and --, it is biden and and adjudicated rapist. let's be clear about that. i am trying to convert these

people but there's a lot of angst, a lot of debate, and i have to talk them off the ledge and explain to them. it is a complicated process. having harris, i would actually be in favor of her as a candidate. i think she would be excellent but it is also not a clean process. there's tremendous risk. >> i think you hit on a number of important points, but the one i want to focus on, with donors and specifically, you mentioned, you had a check signed up and we know how this process works. you go in and and say, here we are and i would like to get you to the debate, we want to announce a big number after the debate. could you sign up and everyone says yes. the debate falls incredibly flat. everyone goes no, i don't know about that. but you have what is happening the last three weeks. a consummate drumbeat for people who are not activists, who instead are consolidating. you have some in the donor

class who have whatever acts they want to grind, -- axes they want to grind and the elected class as we saw with congressman smith and joe manchin. how much of that drive the donors away? it becomes -- here's another, it becomes less about joe biden and the failure to reform on day x. is the next 21 days driving donors further and further away from supporting, do you find that is at the bottom of this or is it still the ultimate concern about joe biden? >> you bring up brilliant points and you mentioned the drip, drip, every day more bad news unfortunately. i have been trying to combat that but the avalanche is becoming so and a lot of these people are successful as us people. they have a cost analysis, they like to invest in winning prepositions and now it doesn't look perfect.

it breaks my heart to say it. it is excruciating because i poured my heart and soul into getting this guy re-elected. i believe in him. he show nothing but kindness, compassion to me through the seven years i have known him. he is such a good guy. and for me, is not just a political tragedy, it is a human tragedy and i feel, it just become president and achieved his dream too late. >> lindy li, thank you for being with us. i appreciate you being here. more of the weekend is ahead and now you can also enjoy the show in a brand-new way. folks, i am so excited to tell you about this. as a podcast. i said the word out loud, it is a podcast baby girl and baby boy. every single episode of the weekend is now available to you for free. i said free. you know what free means? free. you've got to pay nothing. get your podcasts, all you need to do is scan the qr code on the screen and you will have full episodes on-demand. on-demand, right here, baby at

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your member when we were together, just a few days ago, thursday, wednesday, listening to the republican national convention and the talk about unity. we have seen, how long that lasted and let's listen to what vice president harris had to say about it on thursday in north carolina. >> in recent days, they've been trying to betray themselves as the party of unity. but here's the thing. here's the thing. if you claim to stand for unity, you need to do more than just use the word. you cannot claim you stand for unity if you are pushing an agenda that deprives whole groups of americans, of basic

freedoms, opportunity and dignity. >> the interesting thing, and you bring that clip up. it is interesting to watch in politics, the transformation of a principal, in this case, the vice president. >> i was thinking the same thing. >> right before your eyes. because it is a real thing, people are watching, all the drama around the biden campaign and those efforts to push him out. watching the vice president sort of get out to appoint and really just change right in front of us in terms of leadership, the obvious effort to prosecute the case, which means a lot to a lot of folks and apparently one of the reasons they want to see joe biden go. but i can't help but think, and we have danced on this a little bit. the thread that no one is

pulling on, that i am going to start to pull a little bit. >> what is this thread? walk race. because i am curious among these democrats, because they are there. if they are ready to fully prosecute the case. and make the case to the american people, because we know that is going to be an aspect of this that is going to be played off. will you put a black woman in the white house lacks >> i think this -- it is an important question because the trump/vance campaign, they are already doing it. yesterday at the rally it was donald trump, the referred to the vice president as crazy. he saying he intentionally mispronounced her name, like they've been saying she is unqualified. and it is like very rich coming from the president to pick j.d. vance. come on out. i think it is important for democrats, regardless of if the president continues to swim against the tide, and the

waters are strong but if he wants to swim, i think you should swim because he won that primary. regardless of whether she is at the top of the ticket or is the vice president on this ticket, i do think it is very important that the team stays focused and people around the vice president, that would like to be helpful to that campaign, make sure that they say, hey, this, there are qualifications here. yes, the vice president is a black woman, a woman of color but she's also the woman and person who frankly, when the united states has needed her, when the president needed a governing buddy, that's who she called. she went to france to smooth over relationships between france and the u.s. after the deal. you heard jay harman talk about how she went to the munich security conference and clint watts talked about how she was at the conference as a person, the voice of the united states. since she's been in the administration, and not to mention the focus on

reproductive rights when it was supposed to be a red wave, the reason there wasn't a red wave because of the organizing around abortion, reproductive access the president -- the vice president lead. those conversations are important and people should not be sucked into the race conversation. they should be back the races in. folks, we are tired. i think we can say it. but we're going to give you more of the weekend after this. coming up next hour on bell she -- velshi, we speak with robert garcia about project 2025 and the impact on immigration. that starts at 10:00 eastern right here on msnbc. msnbc. now, when you purchase your brand new safe step walk-in tub, you'll receive a free shower package. yes, a free shower package! and if you call today, you'll also receive 15% off your entire order. now you can enjoy the best of both worlds! the therapeutic benefits of a warm,

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