we are following the breaking news in the 2024 presidential race. president joe biden has officially dropped out of the race and has thrown his support behind vice president harris. kelly o'donnell has the details. >> reporter: a sharp turn for history as president biden announced today there would be no last campaign for him. i believe it is in the best interest of my party in the country for me to stand down

and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder of my term. and in a separate statement the president embraced his vice president. i want to offer my full support and endorsement for her to be the nominee of my party this year. this attempts to blunt any effort to open the nomination process before the august convention. the president had praised him in a press conference that was intended to settle bouts about his candidacy. >> look, i would not have picked vice president trump to be vice president if i thought she wasn't qualified. >> reporter: she made her intentions clear. i will do everything in my power to unite the democratic party and unite the nation to defeat donald trump. barack obama called joe biden a patriot of the highest order describing the decision is a

testament to joe biden's love of country. praise from bill and hilary clinton for his extraordinary career of service while highlighting their worry about the threat portal -- posed by a second trump term. >> reporter: after a quarter century of political life his brand was underestimated. >> when you get knocked up -- down, you get back up. >> reporter: he tried to have a shot at a second term. >> i wasn't running again if i didn't believe with all my heart and soul i can do this job. >> reporter: that didn't quiet the pressure after the june debate performance. >> look. i finally beat medicare. >> reporter: an explosion and rupture followed and a discourse over the next few weeks. >> it's a new generation deal the country. >> the president isn't capable of delivering the message an effective way. >> i don't think you should

stay. >> let's bring in our panel and a staff writer for the new yorker and the senior political analyst matthew dowd a former george w. bush strategists and founder of country over party and former democratic senator from north dakota who is founder of one country project and a contributor. senator, what was your reaction or feeling today, tonight? >> i thought he was going to basically stop his campaign. i thought in an intellectual way this would come as a matter of timing. when it happened, it hits you that here is somebody who has given his own life in service to his country. yet again, he is standing up and serving his country and his party and doing the right

thing. how incredibly humbling that must be for him, what a patriot and personality. when it came, i was surprised. i approached it with a lot of sadness. >> since that last debate, you have been outspoken that he should step down and, alas, here we are. >> not because of anything i said but like everybody on this panel i am worried about democracy and if donald trump gets a second term and the great peril and threat he is to democracy. i thought at that point joe biden wasn't the most effective meant to injure -- messenger to confront that problem. >> i have mixed emotions. i have sadness for joe biden. i have tried and unbelievable exuberance for what he did and how we did it. what i thought of, i thought of

one of my favorite lines from a movie when i heard the news because we are so used to selfishness and ego and this is from willy wonka and i'm sure you remember it but the line is so shines a good deed in a weary world. we are so used to cruelty and selfishness, ego, especially the last 10 years with all of the stuff with the republicans and donald trump. a selfless act like that opens the door for me so we can have hope and optimism and belief in our political system that i have become very cynical about and people's ability to actually be public servants. joe biden did this and it was such an active public service, but i think we could all take it as an example of our lives of what we do about, are we making the steps we need to do that are related ego but to the good of the country? i think that is a shining

moment. >> a reminder to live your life in service of others. what you hear from your reporting eugene? >> at this point a lot of people are wrapping their minds around what this means. first of all you have a lot of people on the biden campaign and in the white house that are really sad and i have spoken to a lot of these people who for almost 4 years now and the sadness is palpable and i have talked to a lot of people in tears about the decision. but there is some frustration because of how closely this had to be held. they heard about it like we did in the letter on twitter. so there is frustration there. there is a frustration that this is something that had to happen. june 27 was a debate time that the campaign chose and it

wasn't something that is typical. but there is excitement for bryce president -- vice president harris. she doesn't have the nomination sewn up but it is her campaign now. the key is thinking about what it looks like for her and events that have been scheduled and how you change those and what you look like as far as how you introduce your person to the world is a candidate for president instead of the number 2. you have all of these delegates who are saying they are in it for her and democrats endorsing her. but you also have people saying maybe we want to sit down and have a family conversation and not just coordinate someone. whether this is contested versus an open convention is a question. there is a lot of excitement for the first time in this campaign that was two men that had already taken on each other doing it again and people are

excited about what the differences mean for this. and also a little weary -- wary that she is a lack woman in america. the way we talk about black women looking to have more power in this country is at times contestable. so they have seen her as vice president but being number one is different. her team, her allies will be in defense of her and see what that looks like moving forward. >> let's talk about the defense of her, susan. you do know this president and vice president. but you also know donald trump and you wrote a book on this man, his mind and his administration. what kind of attacks is she in four? what is going through donald trump's mind tonight and his inner circles minds? what should she be bracing for?

>> everything but the kitchen sink and certainly that too. we're looking forward to that because there is such a short period of time. i spent the last week in milwaukee at the republican convention. there was this sense of incredible confidence and maybe a form of overconfidence. i think the republicans and the trump campaign believe they had joe biden beat and that was their plan to run against joe biden. i think that they clearly will be struggling to readjust their campaign so late in the cycle. we are really looking at a historic pivot by both parties, the democrats as well as the republicans. to me, i think you saw donald trump already putting some things out on social media that suggested, frankly, he has not settled on a new message. he complained in a true social post today, why did i have to spend so much time and money

going after joe biden only for him to drop out. it is a fraud. maybe he is wondering if he should debate her or not in september, suggesting he would rather do that on fox news rather than on abc news as he agreed with the biden campaign. i think there is a worry that republicans thought this but they aren't convinced they have kamala harris beat. i think in the end that is the reason you saw so many democratic elected officials and democratic leaders pushing in public and private for biden to make this decision and it was a very difficult decision for the president. you are hearing all of this praise for him, but he dug in his heels and it was an extraordinary thing and i have never seen anything like it. basically, democratic leaders succeeded in pushing out and convincing an incumbent president of their own party not to run again. this is some of us or something

we haven't seen before in our lifetimes. >> i do want to read part of the statement from mitt romney a few minutes ago where he wrote i am a classic republican and he is a classic democrat. obviously president biden and i usually didn't see eye to eye and i opposes initiatives, but we did find common ground. others will judge his presidency. but having worked with him these past few years, i do respect president biden. i want to get your reaction. i interviewed mitt romney a few months ago. he has been clear he wouldn't vote for donald trump. he didn't say he would vote for joe biden or endorse him but he went back to this can't the country do better and are we better than having two people in their 80s? what you think of his statement tonight and what position does that put senator romney and, who has been outspoken against donald trump against this point? >> it is a classic position or

statement you would expect in any normal time that somebody said i disagree on these issues but he is a good person. kind of like the things lindsey graham used to say about joe biden but once he became a sycophant to donald trump he no longer says anything positive about joe biden anymore. mitt romney knows he's not a part of the republican party that exists today anymore and he decided not to run because he knew he could not win and be in a race and that party in the same thing with adam kinzinger and liz cheney and the same thing with other classically conservative republicans. they don't have a party anymore. romney speaks the truth. i disagree with him on many things. that he is very genuine and what he says. i think that donald trump, in this moment, but i find interesting is it shines a light on what people's real values are. i don't think donald trump or the republicans ever thought joe biden would leave.

i think they judge everything through their own lens and it is all about me and why do i give up power or do anything that is in service or anything bigger than my self. i don't think they would do it them selves. there is such a difference in the party and it's an act of strength in the republican party thinks it is an act of weakness to put that to itself and there is such a lens on those parties. >> i am sweating as i ask you this. it goes to what matthew says about real values. the fact that this presidency is about this democracy. and it's the most important job in the land. i was about donors and we were

talking about potential running mates and we were taking through names and we talked about gretchen whitmer and they say i don't know if i could go for two women and we talk about josh shapiro and they say i am not sure because the second gentleman is jewish and josh shapiro is jewish and we talked about westmore and we say i am not sure of two black people. what does it say about the american people that things like that are immediate disqualifiers or issues when it is the most important job in the world. >> stephanie, have you ever heard anyone say trump just picked another white guy and we can have that, right? can have that in america. i think we would get over it and the reality is when the choice was between john mccain and barack obama or barack

obama and mitt romney, you didn't feel like democracy was threatened and you felt policy would be different or didn't agree with them. you know that john mccain and mitt romney would be there and both are believers in the democratic system. and that is not where we are today and there is such a challenge to figure out how to put together a ticket that is successful and almost hyperspace and because of the threat that people feel that donald trump presents. we will get over it but we probably aren't over yet and i find it interesting because nobody said he picked another white guy and i guess we can't have that in america. >> it is stunning to me that the idea of two women or two minorities is a hurdle but two white guys is the american way.

tonight, actblue has gotten almost $50 million in donations and that seems like a pretty extraordinary sign that small dollar voters, to be clear, had the same amount of votes as big donor voters and they are this excited about vp harris. >> if you have covered her as much as i have, the 180 of this is a little jarring. months ago some democrats said that maybe she was a drag on the ticket and some of the same people have changed their mind and you look at those numbers and maybe that amount of money since the announcement. it tells you that the biggest problem for the democrats was that this was a biden trump race and the fact that there were some democrats and republicans, they don't want to

see it. the senator is saying that and it's not what the american people want to see and they want to see if there were two white guys and they may have been better and it is the kind of thing that a voter would tell you. so now you have voters in a party that would be more excited and giving you money and it's much more money than i think a lot of people anticipated, what happened immediately. we did an interview with chris christie we were talking about the possibility of vice president harris is the nominee. what he said and what i heard from other democrats and republicans over the last few hours is independent voters and democrats are probably going to avoid the party that got rid of the old guy and that is the thing that people are looking at and looking at this

politically and folks say he has done but about the politics of this and also didn't want to see biden versus trump and the party that did that change the dynamics of the race but it also changes the electorate because vice president harris speaks to younger voters and black and brown voters in a way that president biden doesn't and he chose her because of that. and here she spent a lot of time with those groups. how they figure out this campaign or figure out what it looks like to maybe not go all in in the midwest and in older white people as the campaign was doing and maybe look to nevada and maybe they feel north carolina is in plain but -- play, but you see democrats are throwing as much money as they can at vice president harris. >> i do want to go to what the

biggest question is. if joe biden has had such an extraordinary run in terms of legislative accomplishments, over the last four years, but the biggest gripe was his age and his ability to run the next four years and actually lead the country, is now the country is offered all of joe biden's policies with somebody essentially half his age and they can't get over the line, what does that say about the american people and our willingness to have a black woman as her president? >> you know, i have heard a lot of trepidation from women today and they are very worried. they remember hilary clinton in 2016 and a sense that in the end, america was reluctant to vote for a woman for president. i had young women say to me today that i am afraid that that is what is the case about

this country. the flipside is i came out of milwaukee quite convinced there isn't a pro trump majority in this country. and that democrats needed to change the dynamic and take the issue of biden and his age off the table. they have done this. we will test that proposition. in the end, donald trump over the past eight years has been the very best campaigner that there is for uniting the democratic party. the problem for democrats is that the race had become incumbent on biden not trump and for harrises the question is whether in the aftermath of the excitement and the drama of this last few weeks, whether this story turned back to being a race about donald trump. i think that is the case, democrats remain in a strong position and in the end you see so many democratic officials embrace her because they

believe that donald trump is imminently beatable. he just wasn't beatable by a president and his 80s that americans had lost confidence and to continue to do that job. we will test that proposition. i remain convinced that donald trump is a beatable candidate. we will see. >> democrats have one message tonight, game on. thank you. it is great to see you all. when we return, what a united democratic party looks like, and why republicans seem to be sweating tonight. former senator doug jones from alabama is here as our special coverage continues. of something bigger? thank goodness we called his cardiologist because these were signs of attr-cm, a rare and serious disease... ...that gets worse over time.

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reactions from capitol hill. i know you have been working the phones all night. what if you learned? >> reporter: in talking to a lot of members and democrats over the past 10 hours, there is a mix of optimism and joy and relief within the party that they can finally turn the page on this purgatory situation they have been in for a while. it is over. the money is going through the roof and there are different factions within the party and they are rapidly coalescing around vice president harris to be the nominee and she is the faraway front runner and we have some information about chuck schumer's role in this. we know publicly he has been quiet and he hasn't talked about what he thinks president biden should've done and he only said cryptically, i am with joe. and he did meet with president biden last saturday in rehoboth beach and he said to consider a few things, his legacy and the

future of the country but think about the future of congress. there is an enormous task to keep the senate majority and there are polls showing that president biden could drag down candidates in the senate which is part of the concern leaders had been trying to convey to president biden. biden said i need another week according to the colleagues. chuck schumer had been worried that the fears and concerns that democrats had breaking through to president biden for he took it upon himself to make sure it was the case. on the republican side we do see an influx of calls among senior republicans who say that he should resign immediately and speaker johnson is saying that and some of them are saying that the 25th amendment should be evoked to force him out. i don't inc. that will happen. there are a lot of democrats that worry about president

biden's ability to be an effective candidate and to have the communication skills to vigorously prosecute a case against trump. they don't worry about his ability to do the job and these are separate things that democrats hold separately. i don't expect for there to be calls for the president to resign his office. i expect him to finish out the remainder of his term. but republicans find themselves in a bizarre place which is partly why you see this reaction and they have built an entire campaign and structure against running against this biden they presented as an old guy who can barely walk and talk. and suddenly he is gone and they are likely to be running against a candidate that is 19 years younger and their candidate is now the old one. >> my next guest served with vice president harris in the senate and i am glad to have him here the former democratic senator from alabama. for the last few weeks, i feel like every elect did democrat that i have spoken to, when i

think about their feelings, i keep hearing stressed, frustrated and angry and even feelings of despair. i want to know, where were you today when you got the news and how did you feel this afternoon?'s how do you feel after digesting that? >> it has been a crazy day. i am at home in birmingham. it was a quiet morning. although, i had already made several calls dealing with this issue. i was reading tea leaves and thought it would come. it came as a surprise. i have known joe biden for 46 years or so. my wife louise and i have been with the biden and jill and joe on numerous occasions. it was a mixed emotion for me. on the one hand, i go back to 50 years of public service, and he is given them to this country and 3 1/2 years as president and when i first met him as a law student and i knew

he was destined to be president and destined to be a great president. he has lived up to that and he has been a remarkable public servant. on a personal level, the calls that he would make to my mom who passed away, and the call he made to me when she died in the call he made to me on my birthday. the human touch that he has has been extraordinary. on the other hand, i was a little bit relieved. i was relieved for him and his family but also relieved for the party. i think this was a difficult decision. we thought he would make a decision in the best interest of the country. i think you did that. i think he is probably right. this is unifying the democratic party. i think that unification of the party will transfer the unification of america and not just those that are democrats. this will unite a lot of people around kamala harris and

whoever she may choose is her running mate. >> knowing president biden the way you do, right? over the last few weeks, he may have feelings of sadness or disappointment, but if donald trump is defeated, and if kamala harris is the nominee and defeats donald trump in november, how do you think joe biden will be feeling? >> joe biden will feel on top of the world. i can tell you, and i am absolutely certain of this, that the number one concern that joe biden had during this entire process was making sure that donald trump doesn't step foot in the oval office ever again, ever. he wanted to be the best candidate to do that. i think at one point he was the best candidate. at one point he was the only

candidate. that has been his guiding light. he was concerned about his legacy. everyone would be. he was determined to focus on democracy and the existential threat he believes in and so many people believe that donald trump being elected would mean to this country. that has been his guiding light. there is no question in my mind about that. he based his decision on that. i have said this a lot over the last six months. i am absolutely convinced that joe biden at one point may have been the only candidate to beat him, donald trump. but then things changed in the donald trump world. he gets convicted of 34 felonies and indicted for more and gets hundreds of millions of dollars against him and gets more incoherent every time he opens his mouth and ramble and

the lives fall through like it is so common for him. he has been wounded and i think president biden also realizes there is likely others and a lot of people who could win against donald trump in november. and with everything going on, who will be the best to carry that forward? i think he determined that would be kamala harris and he is sad about this. this isn't the saddest day in joe biden's life. he has had these series of sad days before. he has overcome those and he will be back on the campaign trail and add rocket fuel to the campaign of kamala harris. he will carry this campaign to victory and we will be more than satisfied and perhaps more than any president in history to be satisfied at the end of the term. >> let's talk about vice president harris, because you served with her in the senate and what do you want the american people to know about

her at this moment? >> that she is smart and tenacious and has got the ability to lead just like president biden has and she learns and she isn't a my way or the highway type person. she has beliefs, but she also listens and every good prosecutor is also a good listener. she was an excellent prosecutor. i think she does bring that kind of experience to this ticket. i think -- besides that, she is also a human being. she has some of the same traits that president biden has in that she cares about people. she has a wicked sense of humor and she talks to people and can relate to people in ways that i think a lot of people don't see or come across when she is standing -- this video you had just watching her stand behind the president.

they will see a side of her that i think came through in part of her campaign and it came through the campaign in 2020. i think now, it will really come through for a lot of people. she is a great leader and will be for this country. >> you are from alabama, senator. do you believe the american people are ready to we lack the black woman -- elect a black woman? >> i do. they were ready to elect me in 2017. i believe the american people are ready for that. i think the american people are tired of some of the things they see coming out of the republican party. i think they are tired of seeing all of the hateful rhetoric that comes from the republican party. they are tired of seeing people getting their rights ripped away and people denigrated. i think they are tired of seeing a republican party that will be a project 2025. and the contrast between kamala

harris and donald trump will be stunning to the american people. yes, i think the people of this country are ready. in 2008, there were a lot of hand ringers saying, oh, lord, i don't know if the country is ready to elect a black man. we were and we did, twice. we have moved so far in so many ways since this time. the country's demographics have changed. we have changed. most of the countries hearts and minds are ready and there and they will accept her with open arms i think. >> senator, it is always good to see you and thank you for staying up with me tonight. back in january of this year, the then republican presidential candidate had this very interesting prediction. >> most americans don't want a rematch between biden and trump. the first party to retire it's

80-year-old candidate will be the party that wins the selection. >> i want to bring in victoria, the dean of the public school of service at the university of arkansas and a political analyst and tim miller host of a podcast in the former communications director for jeb bush. what is your reaction to nikki haley's prediction? >> it sounds like she has been listening to my podcast and i hate to complement her but i think, look, the american people have been telling us loud and clear that they didn't want this rematch. surely there were some donald trump super fans out there who were a minority of the country and surely people were riding with biden until the end and if you look at the numbers, there

were a historic amount of people who said they didn't like either candidates and there were an unprecedented number of people who weren't excited about the selection. i think making this change to vice president harris, almost certainly, the democrats have a chance to galvanize a lot of people who weren't excited and i think they will get a second look at the people who decided they would check out and maybe even some people looking to vote for donald trump. i think it is a huge boost. there is a lot of time in this campaign and donald trump is still winning in the polls but i think it's a big boost for the democrats. >> victoria, the wall street journal is reporting that today vice president harris had calls with three democratic governors who had been mentioned as potential running mates including the pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, roy cooper and the kentucky governor andy bashir --

beshear. these are kind of a swing state with andy bringing a southern context but i senator and i am in arizona and i am a native arizonan so i am interested in talking about market because that is the border component and everybody talks about the border but very few people have the lived experience of it and whether we like it or not, it is going to be a major component of this election and marc kelly can bring that experience and looking at the swing piece of arizona. i think and looking at those three i would add him on. >> given that we are talking and these are a few names like somebody from pennsylvania, north carolina, kentucky, in arizona and could republicans

be kicking themselves? that donald trump choosing a guy like jd vance who doesn't give him a single boater that trend -- trump didn't already have in his pocket. vp harris is looking at running mates who offer her something that she doesn't have locked down. >> i think we saw a lot of overconfidence at the republican convention. we talked a lot about that. at the same time they are winning the polls so maybe it is a reason to be confident. but given the fact that there was certainly a chance that this could happen, i am pretty surprised by how they have been strategically with that convention and particularly with the pick of jd vance who brings nothing to the ticket. literally nothing elect poorly. he was a double down on maga and it was an ideological fit and he picked him because

tucker and elon musk in his kids like him and now elon musk is giving him $45 million a month and he did bring some money to the table. but elect poorly he is a zero and potentially a negative given his comments in the past about abortion, women staying in violent marriages and opposing money for daycare and mom's who work and some stuff that will cause real problems with women. i think there was an opportunity for vice president harris that could bring an a+ here. i think the republicans -- trump will regret the vance pick. >> those big dollars are a huge win. but we heard yesterday donald trump say, i am getting $45 million from elon musk and we better make him happy. there are scores of voters who won't feel good about that. victoria, we already see donald trump starting to try to get out of the abc debate set for

september. do you think we will see a harris trump debate? >> i hope we do. but, stephanie, i do not know. i think eventually it will come to pressure he will get to have it but we will probably see some changes in the terms and maybe in that context. i think this is something that would mobilize the democratic base so whatever they do to push for this debate, i think it is important. a lot of folks don't know who she is. they do know she is the vice president. but they really don't know who she is. a lot of us are lyrical nerds and we do follow this but there have been a lot of negative stereotypes recently that have also been spread and many from the trump campaign. i think it is essential that the democrats find an outlet to have that national stage and

hopefully one of those being a national debate but a good old fashion shoe leather politics of mobilizing folks in the base. >> there are some awful things and stereotypes they are saying about kamala harris and they love to run with this narrative and that things are getting so out of control and so liberal, which, none of his true, especially from her but if she chooses a running mate from a state like kentucky or north carolina, does that stunt this narrative that democrats have gone off the rails in this woke lane and how do you make that argument if you have andy beshear standing next to you. >> if you have marc kelly standing next to you, it makes it tough but i think they risk overplaying their hand. there are a lot of swing voters that maybe don't love everything about identity politics or policy that kamala harris has put forth and they

are not looking for racist attacks and i think there is a big backlash against republicans after george floyd and i think if they go all in with that message with her, they risk a big backlash in the struggle is where they struggle already and donald trump has to debate kamala harris and he is no choice to duck this after the big machismo rnc they put on any can duck the debate with a woman candidate and i don't think his ego would allow that. i think we will see them on stage together. >> if you don't like kamala harris or her policies, so be it. if you want to argue that she is only there because of dei, i dare you to look at this woman's career. i double dare you. great to see you both, victoria and tim, on this important night. when we come back, what will happen to biden's campaign cash? and what the big donors are thinking after today's major

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2024 cycle. i will bring in our finance director covering finance focusing on billionaires and their influence in american politics for the new york times and here this influence is only getting bigger. ryan, you have been reporting on donor support for the past three weeks with big donors holding off saying they don't want to throw more events but what is going on tonight? >> it is a big change. we are hearing that a lot of people who said they would help joe biden post that debate and holding back money for down ballot races, many of those people are slowly coming back. it isn't anybody. there are still people we spoke with and we ran this through today where they say they want to see how this plays out. i feel that is early goings. i feel in the next two days if there isn't a real challenger to the vice president within the democratic party, that they will all start coming home. there will be a meeting

tomorrow from what we just heard before we came on the air between kamala harris and the political advisors and major donors who helped her in 2020 and part of our finance committee so this has been mobilized and it could be that moving forward. >> what about new donors? there was a sentiment even joe biden fans who weren't excited about this election and does kamala harris change things or big new dollars seen coming in? >> for the first time the biden/harris campaign or whatever you want to call it will be talking about addition and not subtraction for the last month and we have seen a hemorrhaging and people are looking for any leverage they could have in the total amount of donors was getting smaller and now i think a lot of the people are coming back into

your point i think we could see some additions and people like this a close friend of kamala harris hasn't been active and could she get more involved? there are women donors in the bay area especially who rose with kamala harris generationally and regionally about her age who have some money who could be big players and we are going to vote for joe biden in the privacy of our voting booth but not actively bundling and it's the same for a harris led ticket. there could be some new people and a lot of these donors would love to roll back the clock to a few months ago before the debate and everything happened. i don't know it is a net addition but some edition. >> does this new silicon valley love for donald trump and jd vance? >> some of this i never felt my

homey's are more important than they are right now, whether it is the tech leaders who are supporting joe biden and maybe we see some of those or frankly the tech leaders who are gaga about the trump vance ticket and clearly, there has been a change in the center of gravity in political fundraising from wall street toward the west coast. we see so many candidates if you include the kennedy ticket and so many of the presidential and vice president candidates. >> but isn't that in large part because the tech money is now significantly bigger than wall street money? regulation in the tech industry is so massively important to the future of those businesses, whether we talk about this or cryptocurrency or ai and that

universe of donors really now cares a lot more than they ever have. >> i think you are right. i feel that is white people in the crypto space at least some of the major players have gone over to donald trump. these are people who have been concerned with how the sec handles their industry and other sections within the tech industry having issues with things like the ftc and this is why some of them are going over to trump and it is and everybody and i understand that. but on the other hand to his point i feel like this coming off the sidelines to help the vice president in the new campaign would be a counterpoint to what you see with some of that support going over to trump and we have mentioned before elon musk who has endorsed him and will likely get millions of dollars in some capacity to a pac that supports president. so people coming off of those sidelines from the tech industry and going to support harris could be a real

counterweight to what we see on the trump aside. >> we have been talking about this with them playing a major role in pushing president biden to step down and will voters who through their support behind joe biden feel the major donors had too much influence or feel angry over a decision like this? >> i thought one of the most interesting comments today and obviously we are swimming in tweets and statements come from president biden's former chief of staff who within an hour or so of all of this coming down posted a tweet that would be described as somewhat bitter toward these major donors and said something along the lines about the big donors got with they wanted and i support kamala harris but it caught my attention and was a rare public rebuke of the influence of these people and it is funny because it's not as if it's the

greatest populace but it is an established democrats that had normal ties to wealthy people but clearly they are set and they feel forced out by these wealthy donors and for a lot of rich people who have been working on this for the last few weeks, i think some of them are surprised about the moments along the way when wealthy people were not at all confident they would win this and this wasn't a democracy and a dictatorship in terms of how a decision would be made and not up to a pull -- pull of mega donors but we will have to wait for the history books on how important these wealthy donors were but clearly, the biden brass feels they were cornered. >> whatever they felt, the decision was made today and it was historic. maybe we remember this sunday

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