here. she's certainly the presumptive nominee, but she has to pick a vice president. what candidate, even if not naming names, what person should she look for? >> i'm willing to name names. >> even better. >> i think it should come down between mark kelly from arizona, senator from arizona, and josh shapiro from pennsylvania. josh shapiro's numbers are through the roof. and i think that will also help some of the moderates on the democratic side and some right-leaning independents. >> certainly pennsylvania, no more important state on the map. >> exactly. >> republican strategist and msnbc political analyst, susan del percio covering a lot of ground this morning. thank you. and thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. our campaign has always been about two different versions of what we see as the future of our

country, two different visions for the future of our country. one focused on the future, the other focused on the past. donald trump wants to take our country backward, to a time when many of our fellow americans had full freedoms and rights. but we believe in a brighter future that makes room for all americans. we believe in a future where every person has the opportunity, not just to get by, but to get ahead. >> vice president kamala harris making her first visit to campaign headquarters after taking over the democratic presidential campaign. we'll have more of her comments. latest on the shattering fundraising records and the coalescing of support around her nomination. good morning.

welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, july 23rd. with us, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire. msnbc contributor mike barnicle. u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay. pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate eh editor of "the washington post," eugene robson -- robinson. economic analyst steve rattner. and "the new york times" mara gay. as it pertains to the campaign, joe, it is go time. >> it is go time. look at the headlines here, "starting a 15 week dash, harris presses case." 15 week dash, i mean, it must feel like i'm in london at the beginning of a, you know, british election. this is the way we should do it. i'm serious. i always thought it is just insane that people run for four

years. this is great. i'll start with steve rattner. he's really rich. he coughs, and a million dollars comes out. for a poor country lawyer like me, steve, this is hard to put my arms around, just how much money the vice president has brought in the last 24, 36 hours. >> she's raised well over $80 million, perhaps as much as $100 million. these are almost entirely small donors going online to the website and sending in $10, $25. i think she had something like 880,000 donors contributing to her campaign during this period. it really reflects the upsurge and excitement and belief that democrats have a candidate now who can hopefully win. >> mara, what's so interesting is, when i talk to people that

aren't in this business and don't talk about this incessantly, 24 hours a day, nobody is saying she's fdr or ronald reagan or barack obama as far as political talents go. they understand that and, at the same time, they're so excited. they don't expect that. they're just so excited. they're so energized. it's historic. it's also, many people believe, all that's standing between the united states and a very, very dark place for this country. >> i was out of town for a few days. i came home yesterday to brooklyn. just walking through the streets, every other conversation on the street was, "who should be her running mate? what do you think?" people are throwing out names. the excitement that you hear from -- i mean, i assume most of

my neighbors in brooklyn are democratic voters. >> really? >> shocking in the bubble in which we live. but, no, the excitement is palpable. i think it is -- we'll see because you have to win the thing, but i do think in the past, you know, month, i've really -- part of the concern with president biden was, i think this election might come down to big momentum, to excitement. >> right. it'll be really close, and that can make the difference. i think the party is already seeing that excitement. they haven't even had their convention yet. >> right. >> it seems this was the right decision. the donors certainly feel that way. the fact there are small donations suggest it is not just the big donors, but it's the party voters. >> that's what i'm hearing, jonathan, again, from people who aren't really politically engaged.

they all go, what do you think about this? i'm getting texts from people i haven't heard from in a while, and they're giing continue constitutions. $15, $25, real energy. >> it's a 180 for democrats. the race has changed. the fundraising numbers here in the last 24 to 36 hours, there was an untapped hunger for democrats to get involved in the race. they simply weren't there with president biden. they may have liked him, voted for him in 2020, respected the job he did as president. he was a good president, but they didn't think he was up for being a candidate now. they didn't think he was up for beating donald trump. a fresh face here suddenly is being rewarded. now, we've already seen her, you know, appear to debut attack lines, communicated in a way that, at least recently, president biden wasn't able to. she'll head to milwaukee,

wisconsin, arguably the top battleground state in the nation. and democrats are fired up. they're ready to contribute their dollars and time. the campaign had tens of thousands of people volunteering in the last 24 to 36 hours, too. it's completely changed the feeling around this race. >> mike, speaking of completely changing the way democrats are looking at joe biden right now, you've heard one after another after another feeling free to say, he's been a great president for us. this was a great man, you know, making this decision. and the contrast between democrats say between joe biden and what he did and donald trump, putting country over self is a stark contrast that i suspect we'll see play out throughout history, as far as looking back at this time. the contrast is going to be

pretty dramatic. >> it already is. it's been magnified the last 24 to 48 hours. the interesting thing to me, you just used the phrase politically engaged people. early yesterday morning, i'm buying the newspapers at this variety store i get my newspapers at. the woman put the papers together, "the times," "the new york post," "the boston globe," and put them on the counter. looked at the headline on "the times," looked up and said, "oh, he withdrew?" >> right. >> a lot of people aren't as politically engaged, obviously, as we are. >> right. >> yet, on the other side of the coin, my wife, because she's my wife and what she does for a living is different than what i do for a living, she was talking to rufus gifford, who was one of the president's chief -- president biden's chief fundraisers, and now vice president harris' chief

fundraisers. he was telling her that he thought by the end of the day today, they would have hit the $100 million mark in terms of contributions thrown over the rail in 48 hours. that is astounding. >> yeah, that really is. gene, you've said that joe biden has done his part in your column today. now, what's the next step? >> well, you know, i wrote that column sunday, saying the next step is for the democratic party to coalesce. i believed the thing to do was to coalesce around vice president harris as the presidential candidate. that has happened already. she's, by most counts, surpassed the number of delegates now who have come out and said they're going to vote for her. the number she needs to become the nominee. she is the presumptive nominee.

what are democrats doing? voting with their dollars. they're voting with their feet. there is an excitement, an enthusiasm, and optimism, feeling for the first time in many months that this is not only a winnable race but that they can -- they can really slam donald trump in the election coming up. you saw vice president harris yesterday going to campaign headquarters. in many ways, the most important political speech she's given because it was her introduction to the nation as the democratic presidential candidate. i thought, just objectively, i thought she knocked it out of the park. she was forceful. she was funny. she was eloquent. she paid homage to joe biden who

called in. biden sounded happy, pleased with the way this was all playing out. i know he is a good politician. he can sound like that. maybe his deep feelings were otherwise. but he's seemed better and better with the decision he made. i thought harris showed the prosecutorial skill that is -- that she'll show again and again in the candidate. i imagined donald trump and his brain trust watching that and just saying, oi. you know, what are we going to do? >> yes. >> this is a different race. sunday night, there was a phone call with 40,000 black women getting together to support kamala harris. last night, there was a phone call with 20,000 black men. she's going to have foot

soldiers. she'll have enthusiasm. this is a new ball game. >> yeah. it's historic on so many levels, gene. i remember when the vice president spoke at my san francisco know your value event. she talked about breaking barriers. she's well aware of how hard it is. it is painful. it is difficult. she was talking about considering running for president back then and talked about the risks. talked about the criticism she would get. talking about how breaking barriers is painful, and then you get stronger. i think we're going to see that play out here. as gene mentioned, a majority of pledged dnc delegates is now endorsing kamala harris for president with just over 100 days until the election. the forceful show of unity signals harris as the clear favorite for the democratic nomination. harris put out a statement late last night, writing in part, "i

am grateful to president biden and to everyone in the democratic party who has already put their faith in me, and i look forward to taking our case directly to the american people." and at what is now her campaign headquarters in wilmington, delaware, harris spoke to staffers, announcing that julie chavez rodriguez will stay on as her campaign manager, and jen o'malley dillon, the former chair of the biden campaign, will run her campaign, as well. harris praised president joe biden's legacy and accomplishments, then focused to the vision of her campaign and her opponent. >> before i was elected as vice president, before i was elected as united states senator, i was the elected attorney general, as i've mentioned, to california, and before that, i was a courtroom prosecutor. i took on perpetrators of all

kinds. [ laughter ] [ applause ] predators who abusedsters who r consumers. cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. so hear me when i say, i know donald trump's type. [ cheers and applause ] building up the middle class will be a defining goal of my presidency. [ applause ] because we here know, when our middle class is strong, america is strong. and we know that's not the future donald trump is fighting for.

you know, katty kay, american politics has gotten a bit old of late. i remember, it may have been teddy white who was looking at jfk from behind when he was president. he said, "oh, my god, a young man's hair." you see kamala harris, and you go, oh, my god, hair. [ laughter ] i mean, it's like, this race has just radically changed. whether you're democrat or republican, so many people have said, why is everybody so old that's running for president of the united states? you look at kamala harris, and it's like a dramatic difference. she's, what, 19 years younger than donald trump?

>> yeah. this is a real generational shift. you have republicans being total idiots, attacking her as being a dei candidate. i will tell you, 99% of americans don't even know what those letters stand for. but they know it is probably racist. it's just not the way to go but -- oh, there it is. hi, timmy. i will tell you, when you -- when i look at the vice president, i'm just looking at somebody that is a generation younger than donald trump. i think it is going to energize a lot of people that democrats need to win this election. >> yeah. it's been old and white and male. one of the things i love about kamala harris, she's a couple weeks younger than i am, and everybody is saying how young she is. i'm turning 60 this year. >> that is awesome.

>> i'm thrilled, great. i feel like i'm one of the young crowd, too. one of the criticisms of the 2019 run was she didn't have a message. now, she laid out what her agenda would be. in one day, she's managed to put the focus back on donald trump. the problem for joe biden in the end was it was all about him and not about him in a good way. by going to delaware, the speech she gave yesterday, she's already turning the prosecution against the opposition. that's where democrats need to be. they need to make this race about donald trump. that's why you're hearing not just the relief, the kind of nightmare that the last couple weeks is over, but also this sense of excitement that there is around her candidacy and her ability to prosecute this case. now, as mika said, this is going to be hard. it is going to be hard because she is a first, but it is going to be hard because donald trump, while he is beatable, most democrats believe, he is not easy to beat. there's some sense of is she

going to be political athlete enough to do it? we'll see it in the next few weeks. >> on the age thing, she does look strikingly younger in the grand scheme of things. she was on the very first 50 over 50 list, now four years ago, so it's kind of nice to see this change and shift in attitudes towards age when it comes to women over 50. still ahead on "morning joe," the director of the secret service gets grilled by lawmakers on both sides of the aisle following the attempted assassination on donald trump. we'll look at what happened during yesterday's hearing. plus, with delegates lining up behind kamala harris, we'll talk to dnc chairman jaime harrison at what to expect at next month's democratic convention. first, we're breaking down the financial implications of project 2025. donald trump's potential policy agenda. steve rattner has charts on that. you're watching "morning joe." we're back in 90 seconds.

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please clap. please. >> oh. >> what happened there? nevermind. >> i don't know. >> it doesn't matter. >> that is not rich little or -- by rich little standards -- >> youngman. >> take my mountain dew. >> i don't know. maybe he should just read the script. >> okay, like this? >> like this. republican vice presidential nominee jd vance making his first solo appearance on the campaign trail yesterday in his home state of ohio. that was his home state. later in virginia, the senator accused vice president kamala harris of not sounding grateful enough to be an american. >> oh, sweet jesus, deliver us.

speaking of jesus, did you hear the southern baptist convention, mika, fired a guy? let me see if i have it. fired a guy for thanking joe biden for putting country over himself. he was a leader of the southern baptist convention. because he actually said, basically regardless of party, we should be grateful for joe biden putting his country over his personal ambition -- >> wow. >> -- they fired him that day. that is -- that is shameful. russell moore, who used to told the position, and also left because russell preferred telling the truth about donald trump, it's just really sad. and the guy that was leading the charge also was angry because

this person that got fired yesterday opposed jailing women who had abortions. so that's where we are. >> okay. >> good luck with that this fall. >> we're going to have a little more on that. first, here's what jd vance had to say. let's listen. >> when i see her give a speech and she talks about the history of this country, not with appreciation but with condemnation. but if you want to lead this country, you should feel grateful for it. you should feel a sense of gratitude. i never hear that gratitude come through when i listen to kamala harris. i don't know kamala. i served in the united states marine corps, and i built a business. what the hell have you done, other than collect a government check for the past 20 years? >> um, prosecuted criminals, served as attorney general, served as a u.s. senator, served as vice president, i guess?

yeah, just a question there, jd vance. >> are you saying that she was prosecuting generals -- i mean -- >> criminals. >> -- criminals while jd vance was wearing his little tech vest, getting paid millions and millions of dollars by peter thiel, and saying, "i love san francisco"? >> something like that. >> and calling donald trump hitler. is that what he's saying? does he want to compare his record to her record? because it's not really good if you look at what's happened over the past several years. the guy has just completely flip-flopped. he may be america's hitler to suddenly saying he's, like, the future. it's ridiculous. >> i think this is going to be a real challenge, maybe not, as some people are so mean, they can't see beyond themselves, but, mara gay, to run against

kamala harris, who is accomplished, who is a black woman, i think they're going to bump into walls, let's put it that way, along the way, as they try to run against her. the republicans, the right-wing media, i was watching some yesterday, making fun of her voice. i mean, we're talking middle school stuff. it's not a good look. i don't know how people respond to this, but they seem to be grasping. that is actually what this change has created in terms of a dynamic now of a race between donald j. trump and kamala harris. it is complicated. >> you know, i guess in not quite knowing what the line of attack should be, the republicans in 2024, their first instinct is just to be racist and sexist. i guess that's, like, a tick that they've developed at this point. you know, the problem for jd vance and for the trump campaign

is that anybody who -- any voter who is going to be responding to that by voting for them was probably not going to vote for the democrats anyway. so what they're actually doing is they are motivating every democratic voter, every fence sitter, every independent voter, and people who are just disgusted with racism and sexism and want a multi-racial democracy to continue to the polls. when the akas hear that, they're going to march in formation to the poll. that's the contribution that jd vance is making. saying you should be grateful for this country, it's just -- all that is is a dog whistle, calling her uppity. every black voter in america knows that. this is really not helping his case, but i guess that's just their go-to line. when all else fails, just try racism. >> and how rich, coming from a guy who is on a ticket that is constantly bashing the usa,

that's constantly said the american dream is dead, that's constantly said that the men and women that are in the united states armed services are weak and woke, when they are stronger than they've ever been relative to the rest of the world. how ironic that you've got a guy that actually is part of a ticket -- and look at their words, not mine. look at their words -- that's done nothing but tear down the united states of america. saying that kamala harris seems like a -- donald trump inherited $400 million from his daddy. like, talk about a silver spoon. he's been given everything anybody can be given in this country. all he does is trash it. all he does is say that this is

a horrible country. he says this is a weak country, a terrible country, and only he can save it. the hypocrisy, jonathan, isveilt really that veiled, this was the problem with jd vance as a vice presidential pick. i think they already know it now. the problem is, they had all those voters after charlottesville. all the dog whistles, they had that after charlottesville when donald trump said there were good people on both sides. they had those voters. they need to get the voters now in the suburbs of atlanta, suburbs of milwaukee, the suburbs of philly, the suburbs of detroit. that doesn't get them there. so i think this race is going to get even more interesting. i just wonder if they are capable of adjusting to doing what they need to do to actually bring new voters into the fold. >> yeah. the vance pick doubled down on the voters they already had.

yes, maybe it helps in pennsylvania, wisconsin, minnesota, but this is just going further on maga. it's not expanding the tent at all. now, you have on the democratic side, we know that president biden had been struggling with young voters, progressive voters, voters of color, black and latino. vice president harris' chance can reverse that. the trump/vance ticket has no chance now to outreach to those voters. we're also seeing a recycling of the michelle obama attack lines. that's what the line felt like from jd vance. in the first couple days, a struggle to sharpen what they're say about kamala harris. the national republican senatorial committee put out a memo yesterday suggesting attack lines. among them, that harris sometimes laughs at, quote, inappropriate moments. they also -- this is real. they criticized her love of venn diagrams. now, how that is going to

resonate with any voter -- i mean, we could create a venn diagram of people upset about laughing and venn diagrams. it'll be a small number. >> what did you know about the venn diagram, and when did you know it, ma'am? i mean, come on, they sound desperate. >> the interesting thing about what you just read and what we just saw from jd vance on the screen is this is an 8-year-old playbook in terms of our politics that people are familiar with. donald trump brought it to the public scene when he first ran for president in 2016. but it's been his playbook for at least 40 years. it's been filled with everything you just indicated. you know, sly racism. bitterness, resentment. talking america down. no one is as good as they are. everybody is deficient in some aspect or another. this is an old and tired

playbook. what you just read, you know, i hadn't thought about the venn diagram stuff. if handled properly, that could pack a punch. >> the thing is, the idea, mika, is, if you want to win wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania, you have to get swing voters. you have to get them in the suburbs. this sort of talk doesn't get republicans the vote. it doesn't. they may be playing cynically to try, i don't know, maybe they think that jd vance and donald trump and republicans that put out, you know, racist statements, maybe they think it'll help in rural america. i would think not. but it won't help with the swing voters they need to get. if they want to win, it's what we said leading into the 2020,

they have to expand their electorate. they're just not doing that. jd vance, that's why jd vance never made any sense to me. he doesn't expand the electorate like nikki haley would, like the governor of virginia, what's his name? >> glenn youngkin. >> how quickly we forget. glenn youngkin would have done. there would have been people like that that would have made the people in the suburbs go, okay, i can vote for that. like mike pence did for evangelicals. but they didn't do it, they doubled down on trumpism. we'll see how it works. >> yeah. i think just knowing kamala harris, this seems like a perfect matchup for the democrats to win. i'll tell you why. if she was running against a mike pence, a polite person, it might be just whatever. but she's running against someone who often behaves in a racist, misogynistic way. the more racist they get, the

moremisogynistic they get, the better she gets. that's her pocket. she told me many times, she eats no for breakfast. even more, the prosecutor in her, the person who wants to protect people. when she gets given that behavior, she gives back even more. let's talk about diagrams now. project 2025, the 920-page policy manifesto by the conservative group, the heritage foundation, highlights a wish list of economic and financial plans under a potential trump second term. while trump hasn't said he doesn't know anything about project 2025 -- he says he doesn't know anything about it, we did a segment with vaughn hillyard recently, showing how connected to it he actually is.

proposals are higher taxes on lower income americans, increase student loan payments, and major cuts to medicaid. steve rattner made his way to the southwest wall with charts on the financial implications of project 2025. steve, your first chart shows there would be higher taxes on the less well-off. tell us about it. >> sure, mika. look, taxes are perhaps issue number one on the minds of many americans, and project '25 is clear about what it wants to do. it essentially wants to restructure our tax system into two tax brackets. 15% for lowest earning, less than the social security maximum, which is about $166,000 a year. 30% for those earning above. but that would radically change how much different americans pay. it would increase the amount that people making less than $150,000 pay.

$2,000, $2,500. they'd pay more taxes. people above the wealthy pay dramatically less. earn $400,000 a year, you'd get a tax cut of $14,000. extraordinary shift in the tax burden away from the wealthy and towards the less wealthy. this is an even more extreme version of what trump did in his tax bill, tcja, tax cut and jobs act, back in 2017 or so. you can see here the impact of that was similarity regressive. people at the bottom got a smaller increase in the tax cut, and people at the top got a larger tax cut. 85% of this tax bill went to people making more than $75,000 or to business. essentially, what this proposal would do is take this and put it on steroids. >> so, steve, the biden

administration's attempts to actually lessen the student loan burden really enraged republicans. in fact, whenever you'd bring up january 6th, it seems that a lot of republicans would go, yeah, well, look what joe biden did with student loans. they were serious. like, that's just -- that's sad, but they were serious. this project 2025 thing is going to increase the burden on people with student loans, right? >> yeah, joe biden did make a bunch of proposals. some got litigated and overturned. then he found other ways, which i'm going to talk about in a second, to address the student loan burden. but what project 2025 would do, essentially, would be to eliminate all of what the biden administration did to cut the burden of student loans. you can see, this is broken down by education, all the way from some college to no degree to masters program. in terms of the monthly student

loan payments, for the people at the bottom, their monthly average student payments would go from $78 to $308. huge increase for those with very little college, people who don't probably have great jobs, and for whom this is a big burden. smaller increases but still substantial all the way up to people who have masters degrees. completely wiping out everything the biden administration has done for the last 3 1/2 years. let me show you one impact of what the biden administration has done. we all know that student loan debt has been a huge problem, and it's gone up and up and up. it's gone up and up per student, and this is even inflation adjusted. it went up under trump. for the first time since at least 2007, student loan debt per borrower has actually gone down for three straight years. still really high. you can actually see tangible progress made under the biden administration in reducing that

student loan burden. >> yeah. and so we're talking about higher student loans. we're talking about higher taxes for working class americans. finally, let's talk about the impact it's going to have to medicaid. you know, there used to be this idea, oh, medicaid, that just goes to poor people living in urban areas. what a lot of americans have figured out since medicaid cuts have come, no, it actually -- that's money that funds rural hospitals. that's money that funds nursing homes. that's money that funds a lot of medical care, a lot of medical treatment for americans of all demographics, all parts of america. donald trump, i mean, if he really does embrace 2025 like he said in the past, he's going to

support more massive cuts to medicare and medicaid. >> you're right, joe. medicaid, there is something like 90 million people on medicaid in america, 30 million children. it's not just an urban program for a few poor people. what project 2025 wants to do is put limits on how long you can stay on medicaid, effectively kick people off medicaid, put in work requirements, put in a whole number of restrictions that would dramatically change the number of people who are on medicaid. so this map shows you by color coding, the darker colors being the worst hit places, what share of enrolees could lose medicaid. in virginia, idaho, 40% to 50% kicked off medicare -- medicaid. in every state, pretty much, it is 10% up to 40%, all the way across the country. it'd be a massive change in a program that, as you said, is

absolutely central to our health care system and to the lives of so many people who can't afford their own health care. but it's also a question politically of whether this is really a great idea for the republicans to embrace. medicaid is extraordinarily popular. not surprisingly, it's supported by 90% of democrats versus only 8% who have an unfavorable view of it. even among republicans, 65% of republicans think favorably about medicaid, and only 32% think unfavorably about medicaid. it's terrible policy. it also may be terrible politics for the republicans to embrace proposals like this. >> it is particularly terrible if you look at the map in states like virginia, wisconsin, and obviously important states for this election. thank you so much, steve rattner, at the southwest wall, they tell us. it's the southwest wall.

greatly appreciate it. gene robinson, you know, it is so fascinating. i've always thought that, you know, throwing terms around like project 2025, that was just, you know, a little too esoteric for voters. keep it on a bumper sticker. say they're going to take away your medicaid. say they're going to make your -- but this really polls badly for republicans. it really polls badly for donald trump. it polls well when democrats attack it. weirdly enough, it's one of those things that has cut through the fog. there are all these clips of donald trump talking about how important it is before denying he knew anything about it. >> exactly. you can tell it's cutting through by the frequency with which donald trump tries to distance himself from these policies that he previously endorsed and that the people he is going to bring into an

administration if he wins are determined to enact. project 25, yes, sounds esoteric and abstract. so you know politics, repetition matters. democrats have been repeating, repeating, repeating project 2025. it does cut through after a certain point. you know, if i were running the harris campaign, she is going to wisconsin today, i would send a courier over to pick up steve rattner's chart of those states that are going to lose all that medicaid coverage, where all those people are going to lose their health care, and that has wisconsin bright red. i would take that up to milwaukee with me today, and maybe that's what i would lead

with in the speech. these are stunning numbers. this is aatrocious, ruinous policy, and people are learning about it. this could be highly effective. >> gene, thank you very much. we'll be reading your latest piece online now for "washington post." coming up, our next guest is investigating how aaautocracies are rising. anne applebaum has that in her latest book, next on "morning joe." copd hasn't been pretty. and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there's still beauty and breath to be had.

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the press gets angry. they said, is president xi of china, is he a smart man? i said, no, he is a brilliant man. he controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist. can you imagine president xi, putin, all of them, they're all smart, tough. they love their country or they want to do well with their country, whatever it is, all ideology, but we have to have somebody that can protect us. orban was right, we have to have somebody that can protect us. right now, we have really low iq people in there. we have -- and the president, in particular. you know, a lot of time, the press would say, gets along with

kim jong-un of north korea. all he wants to do is buy nuclear weapons. just chill, you have so much nuclear weapons. i said, just relax. go to a -- let's go to a baseball game. i'll show you baseball. we'll go watch the yankees. [ laughter ] >> president xi is brilliant. >> yeah. >> just take it from orban. >> orban was right. >> love letters to kim jong-un. >> kim jong-un, yankees fan. we saw that coming. >> we knew he liked rodman. >> yeah. >> the yankees. that was donald trump at his campaign rally in michigan on saturday. this is the new and improved donald. that was saturday.

what? okay. let's bring in staff writer for "the atlantic," anne applebaum. she's out today with a new book titled "autocracy inc., the dictators who want to run the world." this is a great follow-up to your last extraordinary work, which you say, you say in your defense, your books do usually have happy endings. >> if we want them to have happy endings, they'll have happy endings. >> right. >> it takes effort to create the happy ending. it doesn't happen automatically. there is no law of history that gives it to us. >> right. one of the things that's so mind-bending about donald trump is the fact that we have all grown up, we have all been taught that history does have an arc. that arc does move towards freedom and justice and liberty. if you believe, like i know we all believed growing up, that

freedom was expanding, freedom was on the march, we were going to beat the soviet union, we were going to help free 100 million people behind the iron curtain, all of -- that we were moving in the right direction. even when we weren't, we at least knew what the north star was. it was freedom. it is shocking to hear donald trump align himself with putin, with xi, with kim jong-un, with orban. i mean, when people ask, what would a second administration look like, well, just donald trump has told you. it will be -- we will be big hungary. but how did that come to be? and why are such a large swath of republicans, my former party, who used to be for reagan, you know, sort of the spread of free

freedom and liberty, how did they get to this point where they're falling behind a man who loves kim jong-un? >> i think there are a couple answers. one of them is the cold war ended, and some people didn't want to switch into talking about policy and how to fix the roads and how to make things better. remember the 1990s, the era of policy wonks. we need to think of what the right program is to make things more prosperous. they have to do idealogical warfare, and that became our modern culture wars. that's a part of the explanation. another part is that when the soviet union fell apart, there were these enormous, new markets to go into. we went into them. i think often in good faith. >> right. >> but we assumed that would mean our values would move from, as we used to say, from the west to the east, and liberalism and freedom would spread. i think something different

happened. some of the ideas and especially the corruption of the autocratic world, instead, came in our direction. that's what my book is about. >> well, and how did that happen? i mean, how did we get infected? globalization was supposed to spread free markets, free enterprise, free political thought across the world. >> globalization meant that there is now one open global conversation, and anybody can participate in it. >> right. >> the russians and chinese and iranians can join our conversation. we saw a crude version of it in 2016 with the fake facebook pages and russian trolls and so on. now, it is actually a lot more sophisticated than that. there are, you know -- there's a lot of thinking that goes into autocratic narratives. how do we convince people that autocracy is safe, stable, and secure, and democracy is divided and chaotic and degenerate, even sexually degenerate, and people

put a lot of money and effort into writing those stories and pushing them out in lots of different ways, and convincing people of them. it is not even a question anymore of autocratic influence, like we're so weak and they influence us. it is that there are americans and europeans who have the same view and who borrow these ideas. the world is open. you can borrow ideas from anyone. you can borrow technology from anyone. you know, whether it is chinese surveillance technology or russian narratives, they're up for grabs. >> the end of the day, katty, it's all about money. if you believe that donald trump, at the end of the day, is all about, you know, the bottom line, it's all about money, you know, you talk to businesspeople, talk to foreign governments, they'll tell you. they'd much rather deal with china than the united states. when you deal with china, you know, you pay off one or two people, deal with one or two strongmen. you don't worry about a subcommittee chairman or woman holding up a bill that, maybe

six months from now, we'll get from the house to the senate, and then maybe we'll get to -- you know, all the checks and balances, it drives a lot of people mad and crazy. there are no checks and balances to speak of in china or some of these other countries. >> right. you described the messiness of democracy. what donald trump wants is a much more transactional view of foreign policy. it's not what america has had since the end of the second world war, but that is kind of what he represents. you give us this, we'll give you that. forget the idea of global loader ship, morals, values, or ideals. as you say, it is about money. anne, let's talk a little about viktor orban. i've been reading what jd vance says about orban. it is kind of a very open, frank admiration for the guy, right? whether it is, we should in america get the department of education just to ban the teaching of critical race theory, or like they have done in hungary, we should give money to couples to stay together.

i mean, it is a weird, interventional view of the government in family life. even if they're not happy, we'll give them loans in order to stay together. how much does this election, where now you have the presidential and vice presidential candidate on the gop side being so open for their admiration for viktor orban, how much is this american election a turning point in the kind of narrative where you say we can have a happy ending or not and it's up to us, is this an important moment in that story? >> it is a really, really important moment. i can't stress enough the ties between orban and the heritage foundation. these are the authors of project 2025, which you've just been talking about. he is also model for would-be authoritarians around the world because, of course, he was democratically elected. he was legitimately chosen. he was chosen to be leader of hungary. but once he attained power, he began to alter the institutions,

so alter the press, alter the judiciary, particularly to alter the nature of the bureaucracy, to switch out civil servants and put his -- >> by the way, if you can just expand on that, altering the press not on the margins, taking over media companies, like, bringing charges against people that ran media companies, pug bugging the phones of reporters, telling media companies that weren't positive, "i'll tell ya what, you can leave the country. we're going to keep your company. you can leave the country, or you can go to jail." i mean, like -- >> no, no, it was -- >> this isn't a light touch. >> it was not subtle. it was not subtle. he also arranged for billionaires or millionaires who he had empowered through government contracts to buy media companies. as the media became weaker in hungary, like it has everywhere

else, you know, he found people who would step in and take over. it was actually often changes of ownership. it wasn't direct censorship like in the olden days. >> right. okay. "autocracy inc." is the book. we're not close to being done with anne applebaum. we'll come back and talk more about this after the break. we can't wait to hear what the happy ending going to be. ♪ is why i'm delaying ♪ ♪ i heard i had a choice ♪ ♪ i know the name, that's what i'm saying ♪ -cologuard®? -cologuard. cologuard! -screen for colon cancer. -at home, like you want. -you the man! -actually, he's a box. cologuard is a one-of-a-kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45+ at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. ♪ i did it my way ♪

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going to hire a black female for vice president. he just skipped over, what about white females? what about any other group? it just -- when you go down that route, you take mediocrity. that's what they have right now as a vice president. >> are you suggesting he was a dei hire? >> 100%. she was a dei hire. >> wow. >> yeah. republican congressman tim burchett of tennessee, complaining about vice president kamala harris being -- >> is it 1951? is it 1951? >> i'm so embarrassed for him. >> country club in rural tennessee there in, like, 1951? is he serious? you are a black woman, then you're a dei hire? >> and he talked about mediocrity. i take any part of any trump speech, any answer, he is either lying or he is not sounding fit.

i say that with a straight face. it's not a joke. >> mika, she was attorney general of california. united states senator from california. now, listen, i got nothing against members of the house of representatives from the deep south. i was one. but i can tell you, it's a lot harder to be elected governor -- i mean, senator from california than it is to -- like, they even let me into the house. >> come on. >> that tells you. but where does he get off saying this, again, just because she's a black woman? >> but this is what i'm talking about. this is the kind of challenge they're going to have because she speaks beautifully, she knows her issues, she has the experience, she's part of a winning administration that has been historic in what it's been able to get done. by the way, on the world stage, you know, she, again, is working

with a team that has been very successful on the world stage. >> right. >> i'll just leave what trump's experience on the world stage for the imagination. we all can remember what that looked like. the fact he wants to cozy up to dictators. she also has access to this winning team. she's already taken on the very successful members of the campaign. this is going to be very interesting, using words like dei and news hosts mocking her voice. what is this, like junior high, middle school? >> jonathan, what is this, junior high, middle school? >> appropriately enough -- >> it sounds like it. >> -- because mika outlined all the vice president's strengthing going into the campaign, but there is the smoking gun. >> what? >> february 2023. >> oh. >> quote, "i love venn diagrams." >> yes. >> kamala harris was with

elementary group students, "is there a venn diagram for this? i'm telling you, it is fascinating when you do." that's the counterpoint to all this. >> republicans -- just for those that weren't watching last hour and are terribly confused as you're chewing your cheerios, the republican national committee actually put out a press release yesterday talking about possible attack against kamala harris. one of them was that she loves venn diagrams. >> alex chimes in, they're angry at her inner circle. well done, alex. well done. [ laughter ] >> okay. we'll get to the latest controversies surrounding kamala harris and venn diagrams in a second, but we're back speaking with the staff writer of "the atlantic," anne applebaum, for her new book, "autocracy inc., the dictators who want to run the world." i can add this to my anne applebaum collection at home. very excited. >> there ya go.

>> we were just talking about it. it is so bizarre for me because, you know, growing up, the heritage foundation was all about freedom. it was about economic freedom at home. it was about political freedom abroad. they're on the forefront of reagan's efforts to bring down the soviet union. now, they seem to be tied in with a lot of -- well, we can talk about hungary. you know, orban who has openly mocked western democracy and proudly said he is an illiberal. >> openly courted both russia and china, personally and diplomatically and financially. he was just in moscow. he was just in beijing. he doesn't go along with european or even nato, you know, sanctions against russia. he's openly said that he doesn't support the ukrainian liberation movement. i mean, the ukrainian fight

against russian imperialism. you know, he's deliberately made himself stand out. i think he is hoping to benefit from that. he's hoping that donald trump will win, and he will then be the trump whisperer in europe. i mean, that's the bet he's made. and he'll be the connection between trump and the other autocrats. >> your work has followed these dictators around the world for years. tell the pro-democracy coalition in the united states what the playbook is for making sure that democracy continues and strengthening democracy, and how do you run in a democratic country against a would-be dictator? i mean, a lot of the fear in the united states has been about someone like donald trump capturing the democratic institutions and weaponizing them against democracy and autocracy. >> that's exactly what you should be afraid of.

nowadays, dictators don't usually take power in a coup with tanks in the street, the lieutenant colonel shooting at the ceiling. now, it is a slow decline of institutions, and convincing people it doesn't matter. they should stay out of politic. they should be apathetic. if you feel apathetic about democracy and you don't really care who is going to win the next election, you're almost a step on the road in that direction. it is actually -- and much of their propaganda is declined to encourage apathy. this confusing back and forth, the constant stream of lies, that's a tactic. that's not just a personality quirk. that convinces people they can't possibly understand what is true, so why should they? >> they're helpful. >> why should they participate in public life if you don't understand anything? that's the purpose of doing that. part of fighting back is insisting on the truth, repeating it over and over again, but also, you know, have

the big march and the demonstration before the election. >> right. >> don't do it on the day after. >> yeah. >> this is what happened in poland. there were these big democracy marches a month before the vote. >> right. >> you know, create your energy and create your enthusiasm, and warn people of the danger before. >> we saw the same thing in france. >> yeah. >> it happens in france every two years. the far right is about to win, and we all write about it and talk about it. it's always le pen, this is when le pen is going to win. you're right, the french have the protests before the election. they come together. by the way, we haven't talked about it on the show. >> coalitions. >> i'm sorry, it is so crazy, and i know -- we're going to continue with this for a second. but isn't it crazy, macron, who has, like, a 2 % approval rating in france, that guy -- first of all, he takes this risk, and everybody goes, this is the worst thing in the world.

how could he do it? he's betrayed everybody. he stabbed everybody in the back. then this remarkable election result. everybody is like, it's going to be gridlock. macron is going to be pushed to the sideline. he figures out how to get a center right coalition governing in france. it's an ex -- he has accomplished something extraordinary by keeping the far populist right down in france and somehow maneuvering through all of this. >> yeah, he has made some mistakes, as well. >> well, sure. no, he has. i mean -- >> but in france, what was the key, and this is maybe a lesson for us, too, was the creation of a coalition between people who normally don't like each other. >> right. >> you had the far left, the center left, who hate each other a lot. you had the center centrist, the center right. you had greens, you had liberals. there was -- and they came together very fast in the week between the first round and second round of the french elections, and they decided to

cooperation. they arranged that, you know, anybody who was in third place dropped out. together, they won. now, if you looked at the voting result, there's a clear majority in france for center parties, whatever you want to call it. center left, center right. that's probably always been true. but the electoral system pushes them aside, and it is hard to see because media wants to talk about extremists. >> right. >> but because they created this coalition, they won. >> i still believe, jonathan, we have that in america. we just have a two-party system. nobody is willing to take that chance to run as an independent, effectively, put money behind it, because they're always thinking, we're going to help -- it is an either/or choice. >> that is the structure of the american political system, when the voters, we see it in polls often, clamor for some more center approach. but, mike, returning to anne's book for a second, i can't help but think this is how president biden has framed, not just his

term but the century ahead, is the battle between democracies and autocracies. >> president biden apparently is the only american politician, and one of the few american politicians, who isn't sleepwalking through all of this that's occurring right around us. so there is a theme here, anne, in your works and in this book, obviously, the theme of autocratic corruption throughout the world. but putin seems to jump it up one more level as he goes around to north korea, as he goes to beijing. is there also an intelligence assessment there, an independence cooperation between autocracies we should be paying more attention to? >> i would say there isn't a super secret room where they all meet. you know, it is not like a james bond movie, and all the bad guys get together. it's more, actually, more transactional than that. they cooperate when they have something in common.

these are countries are very different ideologies. but they have more recently, you are right, begun to cooperate in more clearly military ways. you have the iranians supplying drones to russia. you have the north koreans supplying ammunition to russia. you have the chinese supplying, you know, components to the russian defense industry. i think we've been behind a beat in understanding how that works and in understanding why are our sanctions not working the way they used to? i think we do need to adjust that. one of the things the biden administration started to talk about also was the way in which kleptocracy and financial corruption are a national security issue. it's not just something that bothers bankers. it should bother intelligence professionals. it should bother people who care about national security. i think that change actually has begun to happen. you know, certainly, it would be the case that people in our intelligence agencies follow

these financial cooperations between autocratic states much more closely than they used to. >> what incredibly important book. the new book, "autocracy inc., the dictators who want to run the world," is on sale now. it's such an extraordinary book because when i read "twilight of democracy," reading about what was happening across the world, it's the first time i really understood the roots of what was happening right before our eyes in the united states. a must-read. thank you so much for being with us, anne. >> thanks. >> greatly appreciate it. front page of "the new york times," jonathan lemire, talking about kamala harris. we'll be getting into this a little more. but right now, i mean, it is -- talk about a dash for the presidency. there's never been anything like this. >> 15 week dash, and she's hit the ground running. remarkable fundraising totals the last 36 hours. democrats saying over $100 million will head into the democratic coffers.

you know, she has energized the campaign. there are democrats that are volunteering. those who love president biden, mika, as a person, for what he did in 2020, thinks he did a great job as president, but had their doubts he could do it again. suddenly, this is a breath of fresh air, clearly clamoring for a new face and new voice to this race, and one that is clearly upended the campaign and disturbed republicans, who, as we've been covering all morning, flailing for an early response. >> yeah, we shall see. still ahead, democratic governors jb pritzker of illinois and tim walz of minnesota will join us as the search to find the party's vice presidential nominee is under way. we'll ask them about their call with harris and whether either of them wants the job. plus, congressional black caucus chairman, congressman steven horsford, and chair of the congressional hispanic caucus, nannette bbarragon, joi

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president biden decided to drop out of the race. well, he didn't, like, drop out, so much as he kind of just, lie, wandered off. you know what i'm saying? [ laughter ]

here's the thing, though, trump is very worried because kamala is a lawyer. he's only lost to joe biden once, but he loses to lawyers, like, twice a week. if kamala wins, for the first time, our country won't have a first lady. we'll have a first man, and his name is doug. hey, doug. as the president's spouse, he'll be in charge of the white house holiday decorations, you know what i mean? doug, put up some lights, man. rickety ladder, changing up mistletoe, getting pissed off about who put the light-up reindeer away last night because the cord is tangled up. ladies and gentlemen, president kamala harris and doug. >> we love doug. >> doug is awesome. >> doug is the best. >> he is awesome. >> he is, like, exactly. the guest host last night for

jimmy kimmel. joining the conversation, we have the host of the podcast on brand with donny deutsch, donny deutsch. former chairman of the republican national committee and of "the weekend," michael steele. "all in together" and host of "majority rules" on two way, lauren leader. we'll note she is also a biden/harris delegate. good to have you all on board with us. joe? >> yup. michael steele, you used to run the rnc. extraordinarily successful leader there. things have changed. now, the rnc is attacking kamala harris because she likes venn diagram. that's fascinating. >> yeah. >> but i suspect that, right now, they're scrambling to try to figure out exactly how to best get at her. they've got a problem because, i

mean, record breaking fundraising haul over the past couple days. democratic party is energized in a way it hasn't been in quite a long time. this is how she looked yesterday when she went to her new campaign headquarters in wilmington, delaware, and energized the audience there. let's roll this. >> before i was elected as vice president, before i was elected as united states senator, i was the elected attorney general, as i've mentioned, in california. before that, i was a courtroom prosecutor. in those roles, i took on perpetrators of all kinds. [ laughter ] >> go on. [ cheers and applause ] >> predators who abused women. fraudsters who ripped off consumers. cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain.

so hear me when i say, i know donald trump's type. [ cheers and applause ] >> that is a great line. so, michael, what do the republicans face in kamala harris? >> they face a lot. look, a lot of this is going to be based on how she ran her presidential campaign in '20. that was problematic. it was not well organized. it had its issues. there was drama, all this stuff. but that's not the same kamala harris now. she has been part of an administration that has a bank of success that they can go into, open that vault, and talk about roads, talk about interest rates, talk about the global economy, the presence of america

on the world stage, the parts of that that she played a significant role in, particularly with our allies abroad. so they're going to pivot back to the before time and try to sort of say that that kamala is this kamala. but as that clip showed you, she ain't that kamala. >> yeah. >> i think she is going to be in the best possible position to do the thing that worried a lot of democrats. at the end of the day, this was about the prosecution of donald trump. that's what this is about. this is about the man who was president and what he did, the millions who died under his leadership because of covid. those who embraced global predators and hucksters and fraudsters and, you know, authoritarians in his administration, starting with trump. so there's someone now who can

prosecute that case, joe, and i think it makes an enormous difference for the narrative going forward. 15 weeks, yes, short time, but she can do a lot of damage, and she's already started to do, just by getting on that stage. here's the rub, they now, as you know, joe, inside those rooms where they sit down and the smart people tell ya how we're going to go after kamala, and they draw their venn diagrams. >> yeah. >> they're going to wind up missing the mark because there are two aspects that p republicans have always had a problem with. it is something i saw as national chairman. running against women, running against african-americans, people of color. you've already had craziness out of tennessee talking about the woman as, you know, the vice president as a dei hire. okay, you keep that conversation going. >> right. >> let's continue to roll that out week after week and see what

happens very quickly with all those folks you're trying to move into your coalition on the republican side. black men, as much as they may like the machismo of donald trump, not going to tolerate taking down a black female consistently, undermining her qualifications and her capabilities because of the color of her skin. >> yeah. just because she's black. i mean -- >> right. >> -- by the way, if it were only a congressman from tennessee, that'd be one thing, but this has been the buzz about her from the republican party for a very long time. this is what the attacks have been like on her from republicans, whether it was whispered, whether it was on social media, whether it was just flat out in the open. donny, we're talking, though, again, about a woman who was a prosecutor in the courtroom. then she was the elected attorney general of california.

she was the elected united states senator from california. california, you know, largest state in the nation. it has the fourth largest gdp in the world. there are only three countries with a larger gdp than california. she's been the u.s. senator there. she's been the elected attorney general there. you've got some member of congress calling her a dei hire? these other republicans, it's just not going to work. isn't it only going to turn voters against her that they need? >> yeah. i think both trump and jd vance will not be able to help themselves, showing the racism and misogyny. there was a clip a few years ago. you can't believe it is real. jd vance called kamala part of the group of cat lady, childless women who are miserable and have no stake in this country because

they don't have children. there's not a woman in this country or a man, a man with any moral fiber that's going to hear that and just find that grotesque and isogyny doesn't c. this prosecutorial manner, as she was yesterday,brilliant, fantastic. the line about donald trump, i know your type, that's going to play out. we have -- james carville said it is the economy, stupid. in this election, it's the women, stupid. >> i wrote that op-ed. >> you did? >> okay, i'll hand it over to you at this point. >> no, i literally wrote that op-ed last year, "it's the women, stupid," wrote it about 2022. there's a magical formula sometimes in politics. right person, right time, right place. there is this moment, like, we are not in 2016. because of what hillary clinton endured and how much sexism played a role into derailing her

campaign, and because we were in this post dobbs world where millions of women have now come to understand just how catastrophic sexism engrained in policy and installed in the white house, how devastating that can be for millions of women, i think there is a whole world that says we're not letting this happen again. and the kinds of attacks that we're already seeing, and we have a project we're launching today to track not only the racist and sexist attacks against her but against all women running up and down the ballot, and also the deep fakes. deep fakes are already circulating, a.i. generated deep fakes. there's one in the first 24 hours. >> right. >> jeffrey epstein's face superimposed over the head of doug emhoff. i mean, it is vast. this is what they have. because they're losing on the policy side. the turning over and over again to the sexism and racism is what they have. but it won't work in the same

way because of this time and this place and how much better informed americans are, how much less willing the media is. i say that as part of it, roo right, to tolerate this. we'll call it out on this show and lots of places. it is essential. this cannot be. this has to be ameritocracy. this race has to be ameritocracy. the constant attacks on race and gender undermine that, from a party that says ameritocracy should be the primary focus. >> it's not going to happen at all. you bring up a great point. again, there are times when time, place, person all come together, and it works. sometimes it does. sometimes it doesn't. most dramatically, winston churchill was seen by many people in great britain as a joke. in 1940, he rose to that occasion and saved western

civilization. closer to home, you had joe biden run just a terrible campaign in 1988. a terrible campaign in 2008. even though he did, we always thought he did better than anybody else in the debate, along with chris dodd, but got his 2%, 3%. passed over in 2016, mika. had a terrible run at the beginning of the caucuses and primaries in 2020. then south carolina came. the time was right. >> yeah. >> he won. he became president. i don't care what the right-wing sound machine says. i know historians are going to see him as a near great president in the future when you look at economically, how we recovered from covid, and when you look at what's happened with nato, the expansion of nato. united states military stronger than it's been relative to the rest of the world in a

generation. the dollar stronger than it's been in 40, 50 years. >> right. >> i could go down the list. jobs, the best job growth in the last 30, 40 years. people will look back at this being an extremely successful presidency. nobody would have guessed that looking at his past track record. i think, you know, if kamala harris does it right, we'll have a similar story there. >> well, also, she was vice president during this successful and historic presidency, and a lot of people right now are taking it pretty seriously. the campaign is breaking records in terms of donations. i think the biggest haul in political history happened in the past 24 hours. also, vice president kamala harris is quickly racking up key endorsements as the clear frontrunner for the nomination. the influential congressional

black caucus and its chairman, congressman steven horsford, have both backed vice president harris. congressman steven horsford of nevada joins us now. good to have you, sir. if you could, tell us what were the important considerations in this endorsement? >> well, i'm delighted to be on. i am excited that just last night in nevada, we are the first battleground state, the first early state to officially nominate the vice president to be our nominee. i'm so excited. the fact there's so much energy, enthusiasm, excitement behind vice president kamala harris's candidacy. in just the last 24 hours, we've seen more than one million grassroots supporters, more than $100 million raised primarily from first-time donors to the campaign in 2024. you know, we're in a multiracial, multigenerational

society. we are not moving back. we're moving forward. kamala harris represents our future. she represents the fact that we are going to be able to continue to address the issues from protecting women's reproductive rights to freedoms that they have to protect their own body and to make decisions about their body, as well as economic opportunities and the work wages and wealth agenda the congressional black caucus is advancing. to move from a consumer-driven economy to one around ownership, where we all have a stake through homeownership, entrepreneurship, helping people to thrive, not just survive. that is what kamala harris's presidency represents. this is a democracy, which means we all have an opportunity to participate. let's get out there and do our part. >> congressman, you saw the rolling stone slate we had up there with the slurs that have

been lobbied already against vice president harris. dei, color, jezebel. if you were talking to the campaign, how would you advise them to tackle that kind of racism and misogyny head on? and to the press, are you confident that the press has evolved, at least on the gender side since 2016, and will call this out? >> we have to take it on head on. when republicans, whether it's donald trump or a member in congress, attacks dei, they're attacking you and i. we are the multiracial, multigenerational society that they're talking about. they're not just talking about the vice president. she is the most prepared, qualified person to be our nominee, to defeat donald trump, and to govern our country into the future. she is the person who can bring us together through coalitions, not divide us. she's the person who can help build up our communities and

keep us safe, not tear us down. donald trump and trump's project 2025 is all about division. they want to give ultra wealthy and big corporations tax cuts in order to do what? cut health care for seniors on medicare and on social security. they want to roll back benefits for veterans. they want to eliminate the department of education so that young people don't have the skills and the training to compete in a 21st century economy. they want to keep us without the skills to compete because they don't want us to have an ownership stake in this society. guess what? we are the society of the future. we are going to continue to shift. my district is one of the most diverse districts in the country. i represent a battleground district that has to compete in all segments. my district is more than 50,000 square miles, so i understand how to reach, to talk to, to

engage voters from every background. that's what it is going to take. but this democracy is a team sport, and it is going to take all of us to defeat donald trump this november. >> don't disagree. caucus, congressman steven horsford, thank you so much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. thank you, sir. coming up, another leading democratic voice in support of vice president kamala harris is illinois governor jb pritzker. he joins us next on "morning joe."

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♪♪ we're effectively run in this country via the democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices they've made. so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too. it is a basic fact. look at kamala harris, pete buttigieg, aoc, the entire future of the democrats is controlled by people without children. how does it make any sense we've turned our country over to people who don't really have a direct stake in it? >> i've just got to say -- [ laughter ] >> my kids are older. does that make me childless?

i want to qualify. >> amazing. >> what the heck? >> i've got to say -- >> this is blue. >> hello, blue. i don't even know the cat. >> you have, like, five of them. >> we have blue. we have gray. we have meatball. >> yeah. >> he's fabulous. this is carly's. >> okay. >> by the way, her children just drop off the cats, too. anyway, i was about say before i got distracted -- >> hi, kitty. >> cut her mic. thank you. >> you're in trouble, pal. >> there's that scene in "the verdict," where paul newman had the nurse on the stand. she cried and said, "who are these men? who are these men?" i look at republicans today, talking about childless cat

ladies, and i'm serious, i'm like, who are these people? who are these men? like, how did these people who say something every day that would have got you disqualified in politics or from polite society or had everybody in the republican party look at you like, what's wrong with you? again, if people don't -- if people are saying, well, this is just because joe was a mention so long ago, i keep talking about the guy in iowa. what's his name? >> steve king. >> steve king. >> yeah. >> they got rid of him in 2015 or 2016 for saying things then that would have put him, like, at the republican national convention in primetime giving speeches. i'm not joking. like, i'm not joking. that is how quickly the republican party has gone.

they keep losing elections. just run as a republican. a traditional republican. you'd be shocked at what might happen on the national level. >> you know who bill parcells is, right? >> i do. >> legendary football coach. one of the greatest of all time. he coined the phrase -- >> you are your record. >> -- you are what your record says you are. >> right. >> you can apply a variation of that to the republican party of 2020 to 2024. you are what your rhetoric says you are. it is racism. it is anti-semitism. it is a bunch of things. but it is who they are. >> yeah, they've embraced this hard core white nationalist ideology which has a very deep misogynist undercurrent. this is core, right? the same groups that marched in

charlottesville, the same groups that, you know, the unite the right, all these groups that were there on january 6th, most of them have these very deeply held beliefs that women should be married, unworking, supported by their husbands, having children. they've been very explicit about that. the jd vance quote about the cat lady, he is not an outlier. he is reflecting this very core ideology. >> right. >> which is that there is this very traditional view, regressive, and you said it before, 1951 or 1851 maybe? that's the arizona law. it is not a fringe outlier. trump has built his base around these extraordinarily out of touch, out of date, regressive views of women. >> exactly. you know, mike, yeah, you can say you are what your rhetoric is, but you can also say you are what your record is. just like parcells said. they lost in 2017. they lost in 2018. they lost in 2019.

they lost in 2020. they lost in 2021. they lost in 2022. they lost in 2023. they lost the governorship in kentucky twice. they lost an abortion referendum in kansas they were supposed to win by, like, 20 points. they keep losing. and they keep wondering why they keep losing. they get angrier and angrier because they've embraced an ideology that excludes, that excludes politics. i've said it time and time again, politics is about addition. bring people in. be hopeful. say yes, we have a place for you in our party. we welcome you. we're not going to go out and try to figure out who the others are so we can attack them. we're going to bring you into the party.

you know, ronald reagan in 1966 was attacked because of the john birch society. they asked reagan about it. what did he say? well, basically, i don't care what they believe. if they want to believe what i believe, they can vote for me. i'll take their votes. but i'm not going to believe what they want to believe. big tent, everybody welcome. these are our values. these are our guidelines. yes, yes, these are our guardrails. we do have guardrails which, of course, this republican party hasn't had for quite some time. that's why that's what they are. losers. they lose elections year in and year out. they can't help themselves. it's one of the great enduring mysteries to me, why they keep doubling down, tripling down, when they keep losing. let's bring in democratic governor pritzker of illinois. his state will be hosting the democratic national convention

in chicago next month. governor, maybe you can, as a really successful governor and politician, maybe you can answer this question for me. why do the republicans -- and this isn't a rhetorical question. it is an enduring mystery to me. why does my former party keep doubling down on hate, on exclusion, instead of trying to add people to their coalitions? >> well, it's disturbing. there's no doubt. i must say, as someone who is jewish and has been the subject of anti-semitism and someone who believes in fighting against racism and homophobia, i watch what the republicans do every day and what they say. i must say, i think that they think that there are enough of their minority of america to overcome democrats and to, you know, win in the election if democrats aren't energized. but let me tell you, kamala harris is energizing people all across the nation. young people, people of color,

and, frankly, all of us who are excited about the idea that we can take this fight to donald trump and his mini me, jd vance. they're out there lying. they're out there offending people. the comments about, you know, cat ladies, those are things that they do every single day. we're doing a job of reaching out to the supporters of some of donald trump's former rivals, you know, making sure we're reaching nikki haley's supporters, talking to independents. that's not the playbook for the republicans. it hasn't been for many years. as you're saying, they're sort of diminishing in numbers and hoping that everybody else will not show up at the polls. that was their whole goal in denigraing president biden. now, we've got an energized an party behind kamala harris and i am excited because we are going to win in november. >> governor pritzker, you endorsed vice president harris yesterday. have you received any vetting

materials from her campaign about possibly being her running mate? >> no. >> if you do, would you be interested in the job? >> look, i love being the governor of the state of illinois, and i have been out on the campaign trail fighting hard for democrats to win. i was in indiana and ohio last week. i am going to be in tennessee and arizona. as you know, i started an organization called think big america that's fighting for reproductive rights. we did it in ohio. we are doing it in arizona. in nevada. it's important to me that we win across the board and all across the united states. so i am going to continue to do that. i am very interested in making sure that kamala harris becomes the next president of the united states. >> governor pritzker, the convention in chicago, sleeper issue in this campaign, guns, violence, street violence, young kids being shot and killed at the age of 12, 13, even younger.

what role is that going to play in the campaign, according to your estimates, and what role -- how do you go at it if you are looked at as a progressive democrat? >> first thing i'd say, remember the republican party is against law enforcement. they are the ones that want to dismantle every level of federal law enforcement. they are the same ones that stand up and defend when a police officer illegally shoots somebody who is innocent and has no weapon, and i'm very deeply concerned that people like that are going to end up running this country again. we can't let it happen. here in illinois, we have banned assault weapons, we've been banned bump stocks and ghost guns. we are doing everything we can on the subject of gun safety, and also making sure we are providing jobs for young people and organizing our violence intervention programs and dealing with what i think are

the underlying causes of crime that exist not just in illinois, but across america. >> governor, the convention, obviously, going to be in chicago, as mike said. last time in chicago, '68, obviously, was a tumultuous time. it hurt the democrat party. i know that there are a lot of democrats in the '60s, like my parents, who saw what happened in 1968, were absolutely horrified, hubert humphrey, i think he always blamed the chaos in chicago for his defeat in '68. i'm curious, what steps are being taken now to make sure that democratic delegates can go to chicago, there can be a peaceful convention. people can protest, concerned what's going on in gaza. there is a time and place and manner for that, peacefully.

how do you do that so we don't have a repeat of 1968? >> i want to remind you, that's not the last convention in chicago, actually. the 1996 democratic convention was here -- >> i know, but that went too smoothly. actually, i did not remember that. so i apologize. >> okay. that's okay. i understand why the media tends to want to focus on, you know, the 1968 convention. i have to say that we know how to run conventions here in chicago. we have done it more than any other city throughout the history of the united states, and i have to say that we have every level of law enforcement engaged here. i have had a number of meetings to make sure we are doing all the right things. and we are getting help from surrounding states, from all level of law enforcement. but importantly, we expect that the energized democratic party is going to have an amazing

convention inside the convention hall. we are going to be collectively nominating the first black woman ever to be president of the united states, and she is somebody who represents our values in a way that we haven't seen for some time and bringing energy and young people to the table. so, i think the convention is going to be amazing. we have been planning for a year and a quarter already. just met with the convention staff yesterday. you are going to see something that really you seen before. it's probably going to be the best and i have been to every convention since i was 18 years old. >> i think it's going to be very hard to outdo the 1996 convention in chicago. what an incredible convention. >> have you been to chicago in the summer? it's the best place in the country. >> democrat governor of

illinois, j.b. pritzker, thank you. >> thanks, joe. now to minnesota's democratic governor tim walz, chair of the democratic governors association and co-chair of the dnc rules committee which tomorrow sets the dates for the nominating process. donny deutsch is with us and has the first question. >> governor, nice to chat with you. minnesota for decades has gone very blue. all of a sudden the republicans think it could be in play, could be a toss-up state. obviously, democrats in tremendous transition the last few days. what's your response to that? >> a lot of transition in the right way. good to see you all. i agree with everything j.b. said except best place to be. sitting here in minneapolis today, the excitement is palatable. the rules committee will get it done. there is huge excitement. my 17 and 23-year-old kids said tiktok's on fire. they are engaged. you can feel it.

the donors are back. minnesota is always closer than people think. since '72, we have made the right pick. we made the right pick with mondale. we are going to stick with making sure that president harris will come through minnesota. we will deliver our ten electoral votes. >> i wanted to ask you, i think that minnesota is such an interesting sort of analogy for the country. you have the big cities. you have rural parts of the state. you have been moving to be this blue democratic trifecta. what have you learned wringing together the rural and urban voters in your state that you think the harris campaign can use to really engage some parts of america that have really turned quite red, particularly the rural parts of the country? what should they take had from the minnesota story? >> yeah, the midwest is the key. i represented -- joe was talking about steve king. my district bordered steve

king's. people like j.d. vance know nothing about small town america. my town had 400 people, 24 kids in my graduating class, 12 were cousins. it's not about hate. it's not about collapsing in. the golden rule is mind your own damn business. their policies destroyed rural america. they divided us. they are our exam rooms, telling us what books to read. bringing people together, strong public schools, strong labor unions that create the middle class, health care that's affordable and accessible, those are the things. they went right to division t they did not give us a plan on health care. donald trump talked about infrastructure. joe biden and kamala harris built bridges, built roads. so i think this is going back to the bread and butter, getting away from this division. we do not like what has happened where we can't go to thanksgiving dinner with our uncle because you end up in some weird fight that is unnecessary. and i think bringing back people

together -- it's true. these guys are just weird. they are running for heeman women haters club or something. that's not what people are interested in. and there is angst. robber barons like j.d. vance and donald trump gutted the midwest. they talk about private schools. where are you going to find a private school in a town of 400? those are public schools. those are great teachers out there making a difference and gave us an opportunity to seed. that angst that j.d. vance talks about in "hillbilly elegy," none of my cousins went to yale and went on to be venture cap lists. it's not who people really are. that message doesn't resonate. you saw it yesterday. the energy out here exploded. we all broke fundraising records. that's not what i look at. door knocks are full. phone banks are full. people are talking about what's possible. we are finally on offense about an america where we're all

together. head to florida. the vice president will come out here and stand on planned parenthood. she stands on a planned parenthood clinic in st. paul, that's what people want to see. >> send ma man on the road. i hope you are planning to spend time in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania over the next several months. thank you so much. democratic governor -- >> i am in, in chicago. >> of course. >> j.b. is picking up the tab, so i'm there. i'm there to party. >> i hear, governor, that chicago is the second best place to be in america in summer, only behind minnesota. >> i agree. >> democratic governor tim walz from minnesota, thank you. thank you for reminding us that minnesota, the one state that did not go for richard nixon in 1972. michael steele, set up the day, the week for us, what you are going to be looking at, and really one of the most historic

political times in our lifetimes. >> in 48 hours, joe, we've watched the energy inside the democratic party do a 180. it has been a complete turnaround. there are a lot of skeptics about that, and there still is some skepticism about how this all lands. but the transition that joe biden has created in handing off the opportunity to be the next president to his vice president has re-energized the party. and i have to say it's re-energized coalitions and groups that are aligned with the effort to stop donald trump. so that energy is going to be important to watch. there are a number of things in this hour i thought were key to sort of trigger the rest of this weekend to think about. you talked about, joe, running as a republican. why don't they run as republicans? they can't because that republicanism that you and i grew up with, i am still a

member of the party, you're not, and but the reality of the things that linked you and me, whether you're inside or outside, that's gone. they can't run on that. it's maga. it's trump. we saw that in that convention and you see how that is now resonating across the country in race after race. it is going to be a difficult haul for them. the other two things that i thought were very important to focus on as the next 15 weeks of this play out, the democracy marches before the election. imagine if the million women that showed up the weekend after donald trump's inauguration protesting his election had gathered and organized and showed up before the election on the heels of "access hollywood," stating without hesitation their offense to what this man says and feels about women. it could have changed the

dynamics of that race in 2016. i think that energy now is alive and needs to be organized and put in place. folks, don't sit on your behind and wait to protest after donald trump wins. get your butt in gear now and get on the streets of america to remind americans who we are, what we stand for, and he ain't it. j.d. vance ain't it. cat ladies? come on, seriously? this is what we are going with, republicans? so there is a lot of energy here that has been stoked. the money is great. the organization has to come. but the messaging and the conversation with the american people about who we are and how kamala harris represents the best of us, that's the next phase of this i am going to be watching for. >> all right. michael steele, great points. thank you so much for being with us. we really appreciate it. we will be watching the weekend, saturdays and sundays, starting

at 8:00 a.m. here on msnbc. appreciate it. donny deutsch, thank you so much for being with us. greatly appreciated. >> i can't believe you didn't mock my seersucker. >> i did, off air. >> can you pull that off? >> no. >> i grew up wearing seersucker. i didn't have the bracelets. you got like 30 bracelets. if you are going to wear a seersucker, you got to go all in, right? >> yeah, white box on? >> yeah, white box. and the tie, i mean, it's a little too silky. >> a nice club tie? >> yeah. >> we will work on it. >> you don't mind afterwards? you know what? i will send you pictures from -- >> okay. >> i know a guy at ralph lauren.

i will send you pictures, okay? >> thank you, my brother. >> great respect for the seersucker. >> wait until everyone starts talking about what kamala is wearing. it's going to come. that's what happens when ladies do politics. >> and when donny comes on the show, for good reason. all right. after all of that, take a deep breath. the third hour of "morning joe" starts right now. >> our campaign has always been about two different versions of what we see as the future of our country. two different visions. for the future of our country. one focused on the future. the other focused on the past. donald trump wants to take our country backward. to a time before many of our fellow americans had full freedoms and rights.

but we believe in a brighter future that makes room for all americans. we believe in a future where every person has the opportunity not just to get by, but to get ahead. >> vice president kamala harris making her first visit to campaign headquarters after taking over the democratic presidential campaign. we are going to have more of they are comments, the latest on the shattering fundraising records and the coalescing of support around her nomination. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, july 23rd. with us we have the host of way too early, white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire, mike barnicle, u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, caddy kay, eugene robinson, former treasury official and "morning joe"

economic analyst steve rattner, and member of the "new york times" editorial board mara gay. joe, she is not the official nominee, but as it pertains to the campaign it is go time. >> it is go time. look at the med lines here. starting at 15 week dash, harris presses case. 15 week dash. this is like, that must feel like i am in london at the beginning of a, you know, a british election. this is the way we should do it. serious. i thought it's just insane that people run for four years. this is great. let's -- i want to start with steve real quick. steve is, like, really irish and he coughs $1 million comes out. he gets numbers. for a poor country lawyer like me, steve, this is kind of hard to put my arms around just how much money the vice president is -- has brought in over the

past 24, 36 hours. talk about it. >> it's extraordinary, joe. i don't think we have seen anything quite like this. she raised well over $80 million, perhaps as much as $100 million. and these are almost entirely small donors going online to the website and sending in $10, $25. i think she had something like 880,000 donors contributing to her campaign during this period. it really reflects the upsurge in excitement i believe that the democrats have a candidate now who can, hopefully, win. >> and what is interesting, when i talk to people that around in this business and don't talk about this incessantly 24 hours a day, nobody is saying she is fdr or ronald reagan or barack obama as far as political talents go. they understand that, and at the same time they are so excited. they don't expect that. they are just so excited.

they are so energized. it's historic. it's also, many people believe, all that is standing between the united states and a very, very dark place for this country. >> yeah, i was out of town for a few days, and i came home yesterday to brooklyn. just walking through the streets, every other conversation on the street was, who should be her running mate? what do you think? people are throwing out names. the excitement that you hear from, i am going to assume most of my neighbors in brooklyn are democratic voters. >> really? >> shocking. but, no, the excitement is pal pa lk. i think it is we will see, because you have to win the thing. and i do think in the past, you know, month i really -- part of the concern with president biden was i think this election might

come down to big moment, to excitement. and it's going to be really close, and that can really make the difference. so i think the party is already seeing that excitement and they haven't even had their convention yet. so it seems like this was the right decision. the donors certainly feel that way and the fact that they are small donations suggests it's not just the big donors, but the party voters. >> well, that's what i'm hearing, jonathan, from people who aren't really politically engaged. they go, what do you think about? ? you know, getting texts from people i haven't talked to in a while. they said i have already given my contribution, if it's $15 or $25. there is a real excitement, a real energy. yeah, it is a 180 for democrats. the race has completely changed. i think what we have seen of the fundraising numbers here in the

last 24, 36 hours is that there was an untapped hunger for democrats to get involved in the race and they just simply weren't there with president biden. they may have liked him, voted for him in 2020, they respected the job he did as president. think he was a good president. they didn't think he was up for being a candidate now, for beating donald trump. a fresh face suddenly is being rewarded. now we have already seen her appear, communicating in a way that president biden wasn't able to today she is heading to milwaukee, the top battleground state in the nation. and democrats are fired up. they are ready to contribute not just to their dollars, but their time. the campaign, tens of thousands of people volunteering in the last 24 to 36 hours, too. it's completely changed the feeling around this race. >> mike, speaking of completely changing, the way democrats are looking at joe biden right now,

you've heard one after another after another actually feeling free to say he has been a great president for us. this was a great man making, you know, this decision, and the contrast between democrats, say, between joe biden and what he did and donald trump, putting country over self is a stark contrast that i suspect we'll see play out throughout history as far as looking back at this time. the contrast going to be pretty, pretty dramatic. >> yeah, it already is. it's been magnified over the past 24, 48 hours. the interesting thing to me, you just used the phrase politically engaged people. early yesterday morning, i am getting the newspapers, buying the newspapers at this variety store that i get my newspapers at, and the woman put the papers together, "the times," the "new

york post," "boston globe," put them on the counter for me and looked at the paper, the headline on the titles times yesterday, and looked up and said, oh, he withdrew? a lot of people aren't as politically engaged, obviously, as we are. and yet on the other side of the coin, my wife, because she is my wife and what she does for a living is different than what i do for a living, was talking to rufus gifford, who was one of the president's chief fund razors, president biden's chief fundraisers, and now vice president harris' chief fundraisers. he was telling her he thought by the end of the day today they would have hit the $100 million mark in terms of contributions thrown over the rail in 48 hours. that is astounding. >> yeah, that really is. and gene, you said that joe biden has done his part in your column today. now what's the next step? >> well, the next step, you

know, i wrote that column on sunday saying the next step is for the democratic party to coalesce. i believe the thing to do was to coalesce around vice president harris as the presidential candidate. that has happened already. she is already, by most accounts, surpassed the number of delegates now who have come out and said they are going to sloat for her. the number she needs to become the nominee. so she is the presumptive nominee. and what are democrats doing? they are voting with their dollars. they are voting with their feet. there is an excitement and enthusiasm and optimism, a feeling for the first time in many months that this is not only a winnable race, but that they can really slam donald trump in this election coming

up. you saw vice president harris yesterday going to campaign headquarters. in many ways, the most important political speech she has given because it was her introduction to the nation adds the democratic presidential candidate. and i just thought, just objectively, she knocked it out of the park. i thought she was forceful. she was funny. she was eloquent. she paid homage and tribute to joe biden, who called in, and sounded happy. he sounded -- biden sounded pleased with the way this was all playing out. i know that he is a good politician. he can sound like that and maybe he is feeling otherwise. but he seemed better and better with the decision that he had made. and i thought harris showed the

prosecutorial skill that she is going to show again and again in the campaign, and i just imagined donald trump and his brain trust watching that and just saying, oy, you know, what are we going to do? this is a different race. sunday night there was a phone call with 40,000 black women getting together to support kamala harris. last night, there was a similar phone call with 20,000 black men. she is going to have foot soldiers. she is going to have enthusiasm. this is a new ball game. >> yeah. and it's historic on so many levels, gene, as you mentioned. i remember when the vice president spoke at my san francisco know your value event and she talked about breaking barriers. she is well aware of how hard it is that it is painful, it is

difficult, and she actually was talking about considering running for president back then, and talked about the risks, talked about the criticism she would get, talking about how breaking barriers is painful and then you get stronger. and i think we are going to see into play out here. as gene mentioned, a majority of pledged dnc delegates is now endorsing kamala harris for president with just over 100 days until the election. the forceful show of unity signals harris is the clear favorite for the democratic nomination. harris put out a statement last night writing in part, i am grateful to president biden and to everyone in the democratic party who has already put their faith in me, and i look forward to taking our case directly to the american people. and at what is now her campaign headquarters in wilmington, delaware, harris spoke to staffers announcing that julie

chavez rodriguez will stay on as her campaign and jen o'malley dillon, the former chair of the biden campaign will run herp campaign. harris prized joe biden's legacy and accomplishments and then shifted her focus to the vision of her campaign and her opponent. >> before i was elected as vice president, before i was elected as united states senator, i was the elected attorney general, i mentioned, of california. before that i was a courtroom prosecutor. i took on perpetrators of all kinds. predators who abused women. fraudsters who ripped off consumers. cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain.

so hear me when i say, i know donald trump's type. building up the middle class will be a defining goal of my presidency. because we here know when our middle class is strong, america is strong. and we know that's not the future donald trump is fighting for. >> you know, american politics has gotten a bit old of late. remember, it may have been teddy white who was looking at jfk from behind when he was president, he said, oh, my god, a young man's hair. you see kamala harris and you

go, oh, my god, hair. i mean, it's like, when race is just radically changed because whether you're democratic or republican, so many people have said, why is everybody so old that's running for president of the united states? and you look at kamala harris, and it's a dramatic difference. we're talking, you know, she is, what, 19 years younger than donald trump? i mean, this is a real generational shift. and a lot of people, you know, may be saying, you know, you've got republicans being just total idiots, attacking her. i will tell you, 99% of americans don't even know what those letters stand for. but they know that it's probably racist.

and it's just not the way to go. oh, there it is. hi, timmy. but i will tell you, when you -- i look at the vice president, i'm just looking at somebody that is a generation younger than donald trump, and i think it's going to energize a lot of people that democrats need to win this election. >> yes. it's been old and white and male. one of the things i love about kamala harris is she is a couple of months younger than time. now i feel like i am one of the young crowd, too. thank you, kamala harris. one of the criticisms of the 2019 campaign is she didn't really have a message. we heard a clear message. she laid out her agenda and in one day she put the focus back on donald trump. the problem for joe biden in the end, it was all about him and not about him in a good way.

by going up to delaware and the speech she gave yesterday, she is already turning the prosecution against the opposition, and that's where the democrats need to be. they need to make the race about donald trump. that's why you are not hearing the relief of the nightmare of the last couple of weeks is over, this sense of excitement that there is around her candidacy and ability to prosecute the case. it's going to be harped because she is a first. it's going to be hard because donald trump while he is beatable most democrats believe, he is not easy to beat. so there is some sense of is she going to be political athlete enough. we will see that in the next few weeks. coming up, a question a lot of people have been asking about the democratic convention. how is this going to work? steward stevens has an explanation in "the atlantic" and he joins us straight ahead with that. "morning joe" is back in a moment. moment disrupts my skin, night and day. despite treatment, it's still not under control.

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breaking news and it was breaking news. biden supporters gathered outside the white house to thank him for dropping out of the race. biden's not quite sure how to feel, you know? i mean, thanks for leaving is not really a compliment, know? coming up, how biden's greatest strengths doomed his candidacy. the personal qualities that enabled the president's success also led to his undoing. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e*trade from morgan stanley it's hard to run a business on your own. make it easier on yourself. with shopify, you can have your inventory, payments, and customers in sync across all the places you sell. start your journey with

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i love you guys. >> please clap. please clap. please. >> what happened there? >> i don't know, but -- >> it doesn't matter. >> that is not rich little. even rich little. by rich little standards -- >> it's not. >> it's more hanny young man. take my wife, please! take my mountain dew. i don't know. maybe he should just read the script? >> okay. like this? >> like -- >> republican presidential -- republican vice presidential nominee j.d. vance making his first solo appearance on the campaign trail yesterday in his home state of ohio. that was his home state.

later in virginia and the senator accused vice president kamala harris of not sounding grateful enough to be an american. >> sweet jesus. >> and wow -- >> deliver us. speaking of jesus, did you hear the southern baptist convention, mika? fired a guy -- let me see if i have it. fired a guy for thanking joe biden for putting country over himself. he was like a leader of the southern baptist convention. and because he actually said, basically regardless of party, we should be grateful for joe biden putting his country over his personal ambition. they fired him that day. that is shameful. russell moore, who used to hold the position, and a also left the position because russell

preferred telling the truth about donald trump, it's just really sad. and the guy that was leading the charge also was angry because this person that got fired yesterday opposed jailing women who had abortions. so, that's where we are. that's where we are. good luck with that this fall. >> we are going to have a little more on that. first, here's what j.d. vance to say. >> when i see her give a speech and she talks about the history of this country not with appreciation, but with condemnation. but if you want to lead this country, you should feel grateful for it. you should feel a sense of gratitude, and i never hear that gratitude come through when i listen to kamala harris. i don't know kamala. i searched in the united states marine corps and built a business. what the hell have you done other than collect a government check for the past 20 years?

>> prosecuted criminals and, i know, served as attorney general, served as a u.s. senator, served as vice president. i guess, yeah. >> what is that, mika? are you saying that she was prosecuting generals? i mean, prosecuting criminals. >> criminals, mm-hmm. >> while j.d. vance was wearing his little tack vest, getting paid millions and millions of dollars by peter thiel and saying, i love san francisco, and calling donald trump hitler? is that what he is saying? like, does he really want to compare his record to her record, because it's not really good. it's not really good if you look at what's happened over the past several years. and the guy has just completely flip-flopped from going -- he may be america's hitler to suddenly saying that he is the future. it's ridiculous.

>> i think this is going to be a real challenge, maybe not. some people are so many, they can't see beyond themselves. but mara gay, to run against kamala harris, who is accomplished, who is a black woman, and i think they are going to bump into walls, let's just put it that way, along the way, as they try to run against her. the republicans, the right-wing media, i was watching some yesterday, making fun of her voice. we are talking middle school stuff. and it's not a good look. i don't know how people will respond to this. but they seem to be grasping, and that is actually what this change has created in terms of a dynamic now of a race between donald j. trump and kamala harris. it's complicated. >> i guess in not quite knowing what the line of attack should be, the republicans, in 2024, their first instinct is just to

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when but go down that route, you take mediocrity, and that's what they have right now as a vice president. >> you are suggesting she was a die hire? >> 100%. speaking about vice president kamala harris yesterday, also called harris a, quote, dei vice president in a social media post earlier in the day. what a nice guy. that's so classy. joining us now, the chairman of the democratic national convention, jaime harrison. i will let you handle that one. your response to that? >> well, mika, this is a guy who wanted to legalize eating roadkill. so, you know, we are not going to really pay much attention to what he has to say. he is a part of a circus that we see in the republican conference on capitol hill, the least productive congress in the

history of this country. herbert hoover, during the period of herbert hoover, is the only congress that was probably a bigger failure than this one. as we love to say in the south, bless his heart. >> bless his heart. the republican reaction to kamala harris has been pretty -- depending what, you know, you look at, in terms of right-wing tv, but also republican leaders, has been pretty rude. it seems to me that's a sign of something. do you agree with that? >> i think they are a bit nervous. listen, for somebody who they said was not going to excite the party, someone who has raised over $100 million, who has tens of thousands of volunteers to sign up, she is demonstrating she has momentum, she has the energy on her side, and i think they are scared about that. the contrast is an important

one. as she said yesterday, she is going to -- she is the nominee. she is going to prosecute the case. she has one hell of a case to prosecute against donald trump. >> so you just said she is the nominee. is it safe to say she will be the nominee? >> we still have go through the formalized process, which kickstarts tomorrow when the rules committee meets. then we will have a period in which anybody who wants to run can get nomination signatures and then, by august 1, we will start the voting process. but we will have all of this wrapped up by august 7th. are but i have to say, the vice president is well on her way to securing this nomination based off the reports i am getting. unanimous support out of some huge state parties from my home state in south carolina, but also in texas, california, florida, and so the momentum is building for her. >> yeah, there was some

criticism, i think, from the speaker of the house that this was somehow unlawful, the process is not transparent, it's not a fair process. is there anything unlawful about the process that the democrats are going through to pick a nominee? >> no. in essence, we have rules for situations like the one that we are in now, and we are utilizing those rules, which basically puts this nomination process in the hands of the delegates that were selected based off the elections the last few months. so my -- what i would suggest to the speaker is focus on actually getting something done. don't worry about our stuff. we got it. >> okay. now can we talk about the timing and the process of choosing her running mate. what have you heard about it? there are a couple of names. people that are already being put through somewhat of a

vetting process. any sense of the timing on that? >> well, we have built this system in terms of the nomination process so that our nominee of the party has some opportunity in order to go through a vetting pros spes for their vps. but in order to be on the ballot in all 50 states, we have to have all of this wrapped up by august 7th. and so, if the nominee so chooses, we should likely, if we are going to be on all 50 -- 50 state ballots, we will likely have our vp nominee also by august 7. >> mr. chairman, you noted this really accelerated timetable. that is requiring the lion's share of the attention. could we reflect on president biden and whether you think what has played out was fair if to him? >> listen, as you all know, i

adore president biden. i believe that he was the most -- is the most transformational president of my lifetime. when we think about all of the things we have been able to do and accomplish and how it benefitted this country. once again, joe biden shows not only that he is good and honest and decent, but he also shows he is selfless. and in his greatest act of showing that, he has decided that i am going to bring this party together. i am going to inject some more energy into this party to defeat donald trump. so i salute the president. i am so grateful for him. as a black man, i think about joe biden, and you think about he stood up as up as a lieutenant for the first black president of the united states. he picked the first black woman to be vice president of the united states. now we may see the first

african-american american/asian american woman president of the united states. that's joe biden. >> given what you just said about president biden and given what he has done, given his legislative accomplishments and his career, his long career in american politics, what do you have planned to honor president biden at the convention? >> we are in the works in talking about that right now, but we are going to show the president -- we're going to give him his flowers to thank him for his long-term commitment to this party, but most importantly to this nation. again, joe biden is a good man. he's a decent man. he was one hell of a president. i am honored to know him, but also to call him a friend. so we are going to make sure that we celebrate joe biden in chicago. >> so obviously, jaime, the sort of rollout or the announcement of kamala harris being endorsed by joe biden is off to a

tremendous start with record-breaking fundraising numbers. now, how to keep the momentum going. what do you think the challenges are that she faces ahead, and what if someone else steps up and wants to run against her? >> listen, i think she's really galvanized the party. the energy, mika, i'm seeing, really i haven't seen anything since the early stages of barack obama in 2008. there was just recently two calls where we had over 100,000 black men and black women who got on these calls and they raised over $3 million. again, unprecedented. we've never seen this type of thing. there were more people on those two calls than the people there in milwaukee for donald trump's convention.

that's just to show you the type of energy we are seeing coming on the side. and we're bringing new donors into the party, people who were excited about the prospects of the possibility of kamala harris being president of the united states. with the selection, if she gets the nomination and she selects her vice president, again, that will be more energy. and we will be as a party focused like a laser on donald trump, project 2025 and the extremism that we're seeing from the republican party. >> chairman of the democratic national committee, jaime harrison, thank you very much for coming on this morning. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. still ahead, we're going to take a look at what happened on capitol hill yesterday when the secret service director faced bipartisan condemnation in the wake of the assassination attempt of former president

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welcome back to "morning joe." the director of the u.s. secret service is facing criticism from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle over security failures that led to the recent attempted assassination of donald trump. nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles has the latest. >> reporter: for more than four hours, secret service director kimberly cheatle faced an avalanche of attacks from both republicans and democrats in congress. >> if you had an assassination attempt on a president, a former president or a candidate, you need to resign. >> not only should you resign, if you refuse to do so, president biden needs to fire you. >> cheatle attempted to take the blame for the security lapses that led to the attempted

assassination of former president trump. >> we must learn what happened, and i will move heaven and earth to ensure that an incident like july 13th does not happen again. >> instead, she left many members of congress frustrated. >> was there ever a moment where the secret service considered pausing the rally? >> the secret service would have paused the rally had they known. >> so the answer is no. >> -- or there was an actual threat. >> the answer is no, correct? >> i can speak to you in generalities. >> no, no. i don't want generalities. i want specifics. >> reporter: unable to answer basic questions, like when the gunman got on the roof and what he had with him. >> was the gun already on the roof, or did the shooter carry the gun up with him? >> i do not have that information at this time. >> reporter: trump turned down more security assets. cheatle responded by saying there were no additional asks for the july 13th rally.

but her inability to provide an explanation for what went wrong made the congressmen call for her to resign. >> i call for the resignation of the director, just because i think this relationship is not fixable. >> reporter: there are bipartisan calls for you to step down, ma'am. will you take those calls to heart? >> jonathan lemire, what are you hearing? it seems just as ryan was reporting that this is sort of unequivocal. there was a huge gap that day. there was a wide-open gap, and it's unacceptable. it doesn't make any sense. >> there were massive security breaches. the director said this was the lowest moment of the secret

service in decades. she was still unable to provide answers to basic questions as to what went wrong that saturday evening in butler county, pennsylvania. and the rare bipartisan nature of the condemnation of the secret service is continuing this morning. just a few moments ago, speaker make johnson and hakeem jeffries said they're going to form a bipartisan task force to investigate the secret service failures. there's a lot in the mix. this one will likely take precedent. i think there will be increasing pressure in the days ahead for the director to resign. >> reporter: o resign. >> reporter: we begin the fourth hour of "morning joe" withendorsements. we have reports from nbc news chief correspondent peter

alexander and capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. >> reporter: overnight, a major boost for kamala harris on her first full day in the race, the vice president securing the support of the delegates she would need to win the democratic nomination. that makes her the party's clear frontrunner ahead of the convention in chicago. on monday visiting what's now her campaign headquarters in delaware, harris offering a preview of her case against donald trump. >> donald trump wants to take our country backward. >> reporter: casting herself as a former prosecutor going after her political rival, a convicted criminal. >> i took on perpetrators of all kinds, predators who abused women, fraudsters who ripped off consumers, cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. so hear me when i say i know donald trump's type.

>> reporter: harris in her campaign debut taking the torch from president biden, still sounding hoarse from covid-19 as he called into the event, vowing they're still in the fight together. >> the name has changed at the top of the ticket, but the mission hasn't changed at all. >> reporter: the two sharing a virtual embrace. >> i'm watching you, kid. i love you. >> i love you, joe. >> reporter: as many top democrats coalesce around the vice president's candidacy, nancy pelosi endorsing harris, chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries, though, holding off for now, expected to meet with harris soon. with no major candidates challenging harris, the spotlight has quickly shifted to her possible running mate. arizona senator mark kelly, north carolina governor roy cooper and governor josh shapiro of pennsylvania, a must-win state for democrats. >> this is a deeply personal

division that the vice president will make. >> reporter: also under consideration, kentucky governor andy beshear saying he's flattered to be part of the process and attacking the vice presidential pick on the republican side. >> the problem with jd vance is he has no conviction, but i guess his running mate has 34. >> reporter: this morning the republican ticket adjusting to that political earthquake. >> i was told i was going to get to debate kamala harris, and now president trump's going to get to debate her? >> reporter: sources say the trump campaign and allies have been preparing to face off against harris for weeks, launching ads tying her to immigration and inflation just hours after he endorsed her. >> if you ever wondered how joe biden got the border so screwed up, remember, he had help. >> reporter: trump said over the weekend, quote, now we have to start all over again.

jd vance taking on the traditional role of attack dog in his first solo campaign appearances. >> i guess you'll remember joe biden as not just a quitter, which he is, but one of the worst presidents of the united states of america. but, my friends, kamala harris is a million times worse. >> reporter: also going after democrats in middletown, ohio. >> they say it's racist to do anything. i had a diet mountain dew yesterday. i'm sure they'll call that racist too, but it's good. democrats are the ones who want to throw out 14 million ballots and not elect kamala harris, but select kamala harris with a bunch of billionaires and barack obama and nancy pelosi making the decision instead of democrat voters. >> reporter: the language from some in the gop turning apocalyptic. introducing vance at his first stop, ohio state senator george lange, warning of violence if

former president trump doesn't win the election. >> i'm afraid if we lose this one, it's going to take a civil war to save the country. >> reporter: former president trump who previously warned of a bloodbath if he didn't one, saying he's ready to face any opponent. >> look, they have bad policies. forget about the people. the whole thing is a miss. if we don't win this election, we may never have another election. i'm telling you, this may be our last election. >> nbc's peter alexander and garrett haake reporting. joining us now, the cohost of msnbc's "the weekend" symone sanders townsend, staff writer at "the atlantic" mark leibovich and stuart stevens, a senior advisor for the lincoln project. i have so many questions.

i could ask you about the mountain dew comments and jd vance. >> jd vance, i think, is maybe a little bit out of his depth here. you set up this matchup, if you will, prior to sunday that would have been vice president harris and senator vance, the experience she had versus he had, it was like night and day. but the trump campaign, tim alberta has said they all

thought that, look, they had this in the bag and jd vance was tripling down on maga. this is not a play for minnesota, as they kept saying in virginia. now that the vice president is at the top of the ticket and we don't yet know who will be her running mate versus vance, the trump people got to be [ bleep ] in their pants this morning because yesterday was insane. anybody who's been watching jd vance over the last couple of years could have told them that. this is what happens when you don't take advice from the expert. >> you mentioned vice president. there's a lot of things that still have to happen to seal this deal. stuart, you wrote a piece on what happens next. tell us, how does it work? >> i think this is unfolding as a best case scenario for the

democrats. it's almost impossible to start a presidential campaign after a convention that ends on the 22nd of august. so the best scenario for them was for harris to take over the biden/harris campaign. that clearly is what's happening here. they say they have 1200 staffers, all these offices. that's really essential. so where are you now? the trump campaign became the first campaign in history to attack somebody who's not in the race, spent four days doing that. they clearly are at sea with what to do here. i think you have someone like jd vance, who's this weird, little odd guy who underperformed on the ballot by 400,000 votes. this is not a guy who's very good at this thing called politics. >> franklin, you have a new piece out in "the atlantic" that joe biden's greatest strengths

are somehow also his greatest weaknesses. we're talking about a guy who's been in the business of politics for 50 years, a public school guy, a guy who can look people in the eye, slap them on the shoulder, establish an instant rapport with them, a guy who has known world leaders, a guy who has sponsored a lot of legislation that passed and might change the country eventually down the road, the chips act, the inflation reduction act. sum up for us how some of those strengths are also part of his weakness. >> the qualities he possesses that were on display in the last couple of weeks were his stubbornness. as the pressure built on him to get out of the race, he resisted

it. but, as president, his stubbornness also led him to get out of afghanistan when people said you shouldn't do it. it led him to go big and propose these massive pieces of legislation, his age, which was deemed to be a weakness and was obviously a weakness as he entered this stage of campaigning, was actually one of his strengths as president, that he brought a lot of experience and wisdom to the job about how to navigate washington and global affairs. i think when we look back at this chapter in american history, we'll see there were two joe bidens. there was joe biden who governed, where all of these qualities led him to do big and important things and to be a very effective president. and there was this period where he was running for president again where those strengths became obstacles to his successfully achieving his

goals. >> it is remarkable how seamless this transition has been from biden to harris. we saw it yesterday at her new wilmington, delaware, headquarters. at least for now with the fundraising pouring in and enthusiasm up, democrats feeling better. and they have also now flipped one of the republicans' central arguments in this game, age. mark, as you write, there is a candidate who's really old in this race, but it's not kamala harris. >> that is true. kamala harris' age begins with a five, which feels very unnatural at this point after all these years. i agree with what stuart said, this is unfolding like a best case scenario. the uncertainty of what would happen if joe biden stepped away was really his biggest argument

for the status quo. the kind of energy unleashed, the kind of instant excitement of having the age issue off the table for democrats which had become some exhausting had sort of conveyed to going forward has been a great surprise and a great asset. i think that's also reflected in the how the republicans seem quite ill prepared for this, surprisingly so given that this was the most likely scenario over the last few weeks. this is a classic example of how age, i guess, can be an asset as a governing tool, but also a serious, serious liability if you're running for reelection, especially in this environment. >> members of the congressional hispanic caucus are endorsing kamala harris for president. joining us now is the chair of the caucus, democratic congresswoman nanette baragon.

>> once joe biden got in, it was a matter of who is the best for our community, who's the best for america. that is kamala harris. she's been a champion for working families. take a look at latino communities. it's about working families. somebody who's been fighting with the farm workers, not against them, somebody fighting to protect daca and daca recipients has been one of the biggest things. she's been a partner with the president on many, many issues that have helped latino families. so part of this is the vision, of course, not just on what is done, but moving forward what we're doing. if you think about the latino family and you think about the vice president, she's the daughter of immigrants.

she is the story of the american dream, very much like our communities. her parents were immigrants, came here, she was successful, she became the prosecutor. that's what people want, just an opportunity. she's going to be fighting for that. we know that the key to that opportunity is education, something the vice president believes very strongly in. when you contrast that with project 2025 to eliminate the department of education, when you tell latinos that, they're quite shocked to hear that. they want an investment in education. that's why teachers also stand with the vice president. i'm glad to see the hispanic caucus and our members are so excited to go out there and campaign for her, but to also share her vision of the future. >> what do you think some of the challenges will be if kamala harris does officially become

the nominee for president in the race against donald trump as it pertains to messaging to the latino community. >> well, i think the biggest challenge is going to be reintroducing her, which is why she's on the campaign trail today, why she's out there. it's being seen. it's engaging. let me tell you, the vice president wanted to engage early on even before she was the nominee. she went with the hispanic caucus to houston, texas, where she talked about women's reproductive rights. she has been the messenger and leader on protecting the right to choose. the biggest challenge is going to be how quickly can we get her everywhere engaging as much as possible, but also making sure people like me and my colleagues are out there on the trail as well talking about what she's

done and her vision for america, which is fighting for working class families and contrasting that with somebody who's fighting for the billionaires. that is going to be an important message in our communities. >> democratic congresswoman nanette barragan of california, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. this is the story joe mentioned last hour. the southern baptist convention says it's removed the president of his ethics commission. there are no details on why brent leatherwood was removed. the move came after leatherwood praised president biden's decision to withdraw from the presidential race, calling it the direct decision for the country in "the baptist press." he also wrote, quote, we should

all express our appreciation that president biden has put the needs of the nation above his personal ambition. despite what some partisans will say, to walk away from power -- the comments immediately sparked backlash from some within the conservative evangelical denomination. stuart, i'd love to hear your communities and thoughts on this. but also in this group, the challenges they face supporting president trump in the months ahead, it has seemed to be a difficult balance to be a conservative, a christian, member of the evangelical community and to also bow to

this man. >> yeah. you know, this has been a phenomenon since trump first emerged. i wrote about this. it was all a lie. there's something strangely reminiscent in donald trump of one of these evangelical fraudster preachers, a kind of jimmy swaggart type that had this odd look to him, the strange hair, the way his skin is never a natural color and the belief he should live by a different sets of rules than the rest of us. you know, i don't think this is really very complicated. sadly, it's exposed at the heart of a lot of these voters the fact that they don't really believe what they say they believe. it is impossible to say you believe in christian values and support a man like donald trump. i think that you just can't reconcile that. that's why you have people like russell moore who has spoken out

against this, a southern baptist leader. david french has been extraordinarily prescient on this. these are all evangelicals saying what has happened to our community. >> let's switch gears now. israeli prime minister netanyahu in the united states in washington. he's supposed to address congress tomorrow. u.s. officials tell us likely to meet with president biden on thursday. he will also have a meeting at some point with vice president harris, though she will not preside over his speech on capitol hill. fill in the blanks as to what more we should expect from this visit, your sense of what biden visit, your sense of what biden and netanyahu's respectivet a rl company, but there is no way

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♪♪ 28 past the hour. new this morning, after writing a scathing "new york times" op-ed calling for president biden to drop out of the race, actor and democratic fundraiser george clooney is now backing vice president kamala harris. in a statement to cnn he writes, president biden has shown what true leadership is. he's saving democracy once again. we're all so excited to do whatever we can to support vice president harris in her historic quest. some other major party donors appear to be holding back their endorsements. for some insight on why, let's bring in andrew ross sorkin. andrew, who is it and why is it?

>> there's a couple of things going on here. first of all, i should say it sounds like, based on the conversations i've been having with business leaders who historically have donated in big dollar numbers to democrats, that they will eventually probably fall in line. but there's a couple things happening, if you will. one is -- and we talked about it a little bit yesterday -- the sense that the elites don't want to be seen as supporting somebody without more of a process. even as days go by and you see more support for harris, i think you will start to see some of the big names come in. there's another camp that is in the group of, you know, what are you going to do for me kind of thing, which is to say they are sort of back and forth with the campaign trying to understand what her policies are going to be around business, tax, a.i., technology. there's a little bit of, well, if i hold my fire, maybe i'll

have some influence over how that all plays out. then the third group is in the sort of -- i hate to say they want to be only in the winner category, so they want to wait for the polls and see how things shake out, not necessarily that they're going to then switch allegiance per se to former president trump, but in terms of dollars, if they were to see from a polling perspective that was a non-winning situation, they might hold some of their fire. there are three different camps playing right now and all of them are jockeying behind the scenes. >> i want to talk about that second camp with symone sanders townsend, the what are you going to do for me part of the business community comes down to dollars and cents much of the time, not all the time. how can kamala harris work to -- i think that's the area where you could have republicans uncomfortable with trump, but what are you going to do for me

if i actually vote democrat in this election. >> i doubt, frankly, that the business leaders are going to have a conversation with the now harris campaign, a conversation they have had with donald trump, particularly the oil executives. donald trump is like, give me the money and i'll open up the flood gates to you all when i get back in office, that kind of quid pro quo. the conversation some donors and those in the business community are asking about her policies. there is a lot of excitement around the vice president. i would be remiss if i did not say this moment does not happen without joe biden, who backed up his vice president, who had his back in a way that many other people did not have and look out for joe biden. but what are her policies around business, what work has she done? this is the opportunity, i

think, for her team to talk about her work on the root causes of migration and how she marshalled the business community. the former ceo of mastercard was instrument in that work in the early days of the administration and bringing in other ceos to look at what is referred to as the northern triangle, guatemala, el salvador and so on and so forth and what investments can be made in that region. those are all things that are going to have to take shape a lot quicker, which is why pulling some of those that used to do some of that work for her, like mike pyle works for the president on the council of economic advisors, but before that he was the vice president economic advisor in the office of the vice president. prior to that, he was at black rock.

marshaling some of these folks that have worked with her over the years to make that case and be clear about what her policy actually is. >> andrew, there has been a pretty fierce competition to broadcast nba games, the media deal there likely to be the national home of defending champion boston celtics. there was a twist yesterday where warner brothers, which of course is the home of "inside the nba," everyone's favorite sports studio show, say they'll natural what amazon did. tell us what that means going forward. >> this is a fascinating showdown that ultimately may end up in court. when the last nba rights were bought by tnt in this case owned by warner brothers, the next time this contract comes up for sale, if somebody else has the

higher bid, they have the opportunity to, quote, unquote, match that bid. interestingly in this case, warner brothers effectively lost the auction. they did not bid as much as the other players, amazon being one of them, nbc and peacock being another one of the reported winners in the bidding contest, if you will. but in this case, warner now saying we're going to try to matchçóñiñr

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once harris got the nod from joe, it was off to the races with endorsements rolling in from the likes of bill and hillary clinton. hilary offered these words of

wisdom as to what it's like to run as a woman against donald trump. [ screaming ] >> to the point. [ laughter ] >> joining us now is democratic senator tim kaine of virginia, hillary clinton's running mate in 2016. i fee@r like kamala harrisñr ca handle donald trumpñr on a prosecutorial ñilevel, especial given all the criminal charges stillçki againstñi him and the , sexual abuse, definition he's been found liable and also the fact that he's a convicted felon. this kind of puts him in her sweet spot. >> ñimika, i completely agree. prosecutor versus felon. you know, i tried a lot of civil rights cases and i reconazed good lawyers. kamala is a great lawyer.

when she stands on that stage with a convicted felon, that's a huge contrast. i tell you the other contrast i think might even be more palpable to voters yesterday versus today and tomorrow, donald trump is yesterday's chaos, and why would we go back to it? in any race, i always think being the today and tomorrow candidate is much better thanñi being yesterday's chaos candidate. >> i have to imagine that a lot of people are calling you for advice nowadays. you notably were the running mate to secretary hillary clinton in her run in 2016. that was a long process of selecting a running mate. this is a truncated process of maybe about a week, maybe two weeks. what advice would you have for folks?

not asking you to divulge any private conversations unless you'd like to, but what would you tell some of these folks? >> i was vetted by barack obama in 2008 and hillary clinton in 2016 and each vet took months. i think they have to do the in-depth vetting, but i think the short time means the list will be a lot shorter. it'sñi not going to be 20 peopl to ten to five to three to one. it's going to be a handful who will be intensely vetted. so we hear word that that's already going on. eric holder, who's doing it for the harris for president ticket, eric was in charge of it for obama in 2008 and did a fine job. so he knows what to do. and the group of people who come together and volunteer their time to do the work is sizable. i'm sure they just sprung that network into action with small group of contenders.

>> good morning. a briefing that aides gave president biden over the weekend showed him that a number of polls had him losing and several democratic states would be in jeopardy were he to remain on the top ticket, including virginia. let me get your assì5qof your home state. do you t from what you're seeing each and every day talking to constituents, and do you think it will change now with vice president harris on the topáo % the ticket? >> that is accurate reporting. i'm on the ballot too, so i'm doing my own polling. i shared with the campaign the results of five post-debate polls that showed that the race was a dead heat. i shared that directly with the white house and the campaign, because it was data that they

needed to know. and they were doing their own polling as well. joe and kamala won virginia by ten points in 2020. so when you see polls showing it's a dead heat in virginia, you take that very seriously. to the biden/harris and now harris campaign's credit, i was at the opening of the 17th office they have opened in virgs#rp unlike some past campaigns, these offices are staffed with fantasticñr virginiañi politica talent. theseñr areçóñiñi battle-readyñ virginia-contested campaign pros staffing these offices. that was already happening ade, and already happening it's goingñi to continue. they are taking virginia very ñ% seriously. >> that's an interesting point, that a state like a virginia -- and we've heard the same with new mexico, colorado and even perhaps new jersey. these are reliably blue states,

but this shows that had president biden stayed atop the ticket they were at risk of going away, and that would have opened up countless paths to 270 electoral votes for donald trump. >> that's not going to be the case. >> no longer. >> the sitting president of the united states is a man noted for his compassion, his decency, his empathy and, above all,ñi hisçó character. so myñr question to you, were y at all surprised at the level of attemptedi humiliation of the president over the past ten days by dropped leaks from democrats, members of congress, members of the senate indicating that úez hadçó to go? it was the way and the language that was used to describe him being in the office and not having withdrawn a month ñiago. did that surprise you? >> mike, it made me sick, but it didn't surprise me.

it made me sick the way people were so quickly airing their concerns publicly when they had the white house's phone number. i had concerned, but i picked up the phone and talked to the white house and shared concerns, here's the polling data. i knew in my gut joe biden was going to make the patriotic call. i knew if he decided he wasn't in it for the next four-plus years, he'd level with the american public. i was not happy with the degree of public airing of concern,ñi especially by the electeds. i get it if pundits and pollsters talk publicly about their concerns, but those of us who have long-term relationships with this man and have seen him

again and again and again put country first, should we have communicated? absolutely. you communicate directly, privately and respectfully. so, no, i was not happy about this over the last 3 1/2 weeks. >> democratic senator tim kaine of virginia, thank you very much. >> glad to be with you. >> you look like you're feeling better too. >> i'm feeling great. i've been doing too much handholding in the last three weeks. now we're off and running. ì(lc% >> thanks. good to see you. coming up, we'll look atñi storieti making front page headlines across the country, including how some texas residents are still struggling in the aftermathçó of hurricane beryl. "morning joe" will be right back. beryl. "morning joe" will be right back hurricane beryl. "morning joe" will be right back. hurricane beryl. "morning joe" will be right back

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welcome back. time now for a look alt the morning papers. "the miami herald" has a front page feature on the financial struggles behind many floridian households. according to a report by united way, in 2022, about 4 million households out of nearly 9 million in the state were either in poverty or unable to afford the basic cost of living despite being employed. the group analyzed data from the u.s. census and federal reserve. the report does not identify any specific causes. but analysts say inflation and the end of covid-19 public assistance programs exacerbated financial issues. that's a big one. "the houston chronicle" reports residents are suffering in the extreme heat as some continue to live without electricity in the aftermath of hurricane beryl. at least 11 people in the houston area have died from overheating or hypothermia.

hurricane beryl hit the state earlier this month leaving over 2 million people without power, hundreds of thousands of residents are still in the dark. "the altoona mirror" is reporting on updated mail-in ballots for pennsylvanians. state officials are trying to eliminate ballots getting rejected or having the wrong date. counties will now preprint ballot return envelopes with 2024 in the date field, leaving voters to fill in the month and day along with their signature. and in new jersey "the record" reports on new safety plans for the world cup after last week's chaotic copa america final. organizers of the 2026 world cup at metlife stadium will install security perimeters and ticket checkpoints beyond the venue's parking lot, creating a buffer zone around the stadium to avoid overcrowding. footage from the copa america

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right now on "ana cabrera reports," harris hits the trail, the vp heading to wisconsin this hour for her first rally as a presidential candidate. her growing momentum and new reporting on her three-week sprint to find a running mate. plus, trump's vp pick already pivoting to harris. jd vance's new attacks as