nights have been impacted and -- have been canceled and hundreds of thousands ever passengers impacted and that is unacceptable and we're concerned about the delay and cancel and how hard it is to get someone on the phone. we launched a new era of enforcement with the action that we took against southwest. $140 million which was a record penalty designed to send a message to industry and to get accountability and some compensation for passengers. of course, i can't prejudge an investigation that is just started today on the delta side. but that same high standard is going to guide us from now. >> pete buttigieg, thank you. good to see you again. and that is going to do it for us. our coverage with continue with katy tur reports right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur.

oh, what a 48 hours it has been. kamala harris has now earned the back of enough convention delegates to be the de facto nominee. he's raised more than $100 million according to her campaign with 62% of donors giving for the first time. she's made her case against donald trump for her campaign. saying that as a prosecutor, she knows his type. she's made her first came stop just now in wisconsin leaning hard into her background as a prosecutor. but perhaps most incredibly, she made the senate majority leader giddy. >> we are here today to throw our support behind vice president kamala harris. i'm clapping. you don't have to. it is a happy day. what can i say. >> i've never seen him like that. it is clear the vice president is on a glide path to the nomination. but will the ride to november be

as smooth. we're talking to voters today. we're talking to pollsters today. and we're talking to the very best reporters about what kamala harris will campaign on. what we know about who she's vetting for vice president and what to expect from both the electorate and her opponent, who is already showing what he'll do and what he'll say to beat her. joining us now, senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. it sounds like you were going to have to compete with the siren but it feels like it is fading. kelly, quite an appearance today in wisconsin. the energy in that room, we're told by far the largest crowd for a campaign event this cycle. probably last cycle as well for the democrats and that the mood was just different. >> reporter: certainly a page has been turn and some energy has been unleashed in the democratic party and they are seeing that and one of the challenges will be to harness it

to build on it and move forward in the remaining months of the campaign. there is no question, there is new infusion of excitement among democrats. and when president biden was running, they weren't looking to build big crowds. they were looking for a different style of event, that played better to his strengths. kamala harris is a new candidate. she is in a different position. she has a different argument to make and we've now heard what is the initial phase ever a stump speech where she takes us through her own journey and she pays respect to the president who put her in this role to begin with and has endorsed her going forward. and she talked about some of her law and order background as a former attorney in the state of california and some of the -- the skills and experiences she had in that role and how she could use them in this campaign. and she can make some difference arguments than joe biden could make when he was running and he'll obviously continue to influence where things go by bringing his sort of support

within the party to her. but now it really is hers to run with. and we saw the makings of that today in wisconsin. a state that she lives in for a time as a child so she has a connection there and a state that we know will be among the small group of battlegrounds where this will be decided. so, not to mention the fact that the republicans were just there having their own impression in milwaukee and she was able to go in today and sort of create a new story line in wisconsin whereas with local voters there, who live in that state are experiencing things and have a chance to get to know her as a candidate. being vice president could be challenging to be front and genter because the job is not to do that. and now she can. as the presumed nominee, she has enough delegates and there is a process still to go for her to fully claim that. but she is the candidate and she's off and running. >> and so far no one has come

out to say they want to run against her. and joining us now, political contributor jake sherman. washington post senior correspondent and political analyst ashley parker and staff righter for the atlantic and political contributor mark leibovich. i've never seen senator schumer, going on nout for 20 years, i've never seen him like that. what it was it like on the hill today and what has it been like now that there is a new candidate on the democratic side. >> well i think in a weird way it highlights just the -- the discomfort perhaps with joe biden as the party standard bearer. he was uneven on the campaign trail. uneven in public appearances and we wrote this morning in the morning edition of punch bowl news that democratic house and senate candidates, endangered candidates will be fighting for their seats in november, feel

like they have a new lease on life. they're raising more money than ever before. they are -- they feel like they have somebody at the top of the ticket who they could run with or not someone who they have to run away from. and that is something that took them months. it is been a month since the disastrous debate performance by joe biden. and democrats finally feel like they have a pep in their step. now, let's remember. it is day one. right. or day two of members being back up here and contending with kamala harris and the top of the ticket. but it is a different feel. now on the republican side of the aisle, katy, they've been running now for two years against joe biden on capitol hill. they've investigated him and tried to tarnish his name and tried to ensnare his family members and now they're stuck running against a relatively young in portfolio terms, a woman of color. and that is difficult for a lot of house republicans. many of whom have made either

outwardly racist comments or vaguely racist comments about the vice president in her campaign and about her campaign. and speaker mike johnson and the leadership have urged them as much as they can to stay on policy and not criticize her as a person. republicans don't listen, of course. they're not very good at that. and they will do what they want. but this is going to be something that we see a lot over the next couple of months as republicans have to quickly adapt to this new reality. >> ashley, i've been thinking about how donald trump ran against hillary clinton in 2016. you've covered that alongside me. and he ran straight ahead at her as a woman calling her nasty and saying that she wasn't ready, she didn't have the temperament to be president. there were dog whistles, but there were direct insults and direct attacks based on her gender. is that what we should expect donald trump to do this time around? >> so, i've also been thinking a lot about that.

and not just about how he ran against hillary clinton, but how he ran against carly fiorina in the 2016 republican primary before hillary clinton and how he ran against nikki haley in the republican primary and that is all instructive. when you look at that, from a 30,000 foot view, he was successful, right. he won in each case. but when you drill down those sort of insults and attacks really hurt him with some of the voters who he will need, who vice president harris will need this election. and it can really backfire. and then you could also take it a step further, he's not run in a imaginer way against a black woman. but when you look at some of the things he has said about black women, and how he has treated them and spoken about them, that is another area where he has been both overtly sexist and misogynistic and also much more latent. so it is something that the

harris team is expecting and it is something that can potentially backfire if trump goes over the top on that. but, in a nation that still has certain racist and sexist bias, s notair for a female candidate but it is certainly a challenge and a dynamic she has that other male candidates don't. >> again, so much has changed in the past eight years since hillary clinton ran, it is the most me-too movement and we've seen women ascend to very high offices all across this country. a lot of female governors out there. it feels like a different moment than it did in 2016. we also had a number of women run in the democratic primary in 2020. nikki haley ran pretty fiercely against donald trump during this primary. garnered quite a bit of the republican vote, not enough to get the nomination. but enough to make it clear that not all of the republican party was on board with donald trump. mark i want to get to you. but i want to bring in yamiche

alcindor from wisconsin. she's at the rally. the site of kamala harris's first campaign event. what did she say today and what does that tell us about what she's going to say for this campaign going forward? >> reporter: well, vice president kamala harris spoke before a raucous crowd here in the milwaukee area. she started off by saying the road to winning this election runs through wisconsin and then went on to attack former president trump. she laid out what i think will be the thesis of ore campaign. take a listen to that. >> i was elected attorney general of the state of california and i was a courtroom prosecutor before then. and in those roles, i took on perpetrators of all kinds. predators who abused women.

fraudsters, who ripped off consumers. cheaters, who broke the rules for their own gain. so hear me when i say, i know donald trump's type. >> reporter: so there you have it. kamala harris really thumbing up her campaign message in just a couple of words there. the prosecutor and the convict. i also want to point out that you could hear people in the crowd shouting lock him up. this is wan an energized of 3,000 people and this is the biggest campaign event that they've held since the biden-harris and now harris campaign started. it was also important to note that the vice president talked about the fundraising. she said in the last 24 hours they've had the best fundraising of any presidential campaign in history. she went on to talk about the middle class and she's not just running in contrast for donald trump but running for a vision

for america and she doesn't want to go back and going forward and embracing a america that is diverse and inclusive and this is a campaign of the people and she also said this is going to be a campaign where all of the people who support her are going to have to get to work. at one point, she said we have doors to knock on and phone calls to make and she said are we ready and they shouted back yes. and this energy has been palpable. yesterday she went to the came headquarters and people were sweaty and packed shoulder to shoulder because they were excited to see her in wilmington and that carried over here in wisconsin. i'm told by aides they're making the case that she has an expanded bio here. one of the aides said she lived in wisconsin for a little while. so while we know her as district attorney and attorney general of california there is pieces of her childhood that they're rolling out. so a powerful moment for the vice president as she is wanting to make the case against donald trump, but also really cognizant

of the idea that this is going to be a history making campaign by her own standard talking about the idea that women are the center of this and that voters of color are center of this and it is inclusive where everyone is welcome and so a lot there and a lot to go forward. >> thank you very much. mark, let's get into this some numbers. there is a new poll out. a reuters poll that shows kamala harris in the lead. that she has 44% of registered voters and donald trump has 42%. this is a snap poll, just been two days since president biden decided to step aside and not run for the white house. it also comes alongside a morning consult poll that had donald trump up two points. but what it shows here, mark, is that there is movement. >> yeah, i think so. i think obviously there is going to be some sugar high element to this. this is brand-new and i think that you can't underestimate just the power of basically

relief that democrats are feeling and that is probably propelling kamala harris just given what the last three or four weeks have been like. it is been divisive, it's been exhausting. yeah, it is been difficult to watch, i guess if you're a democrat, there has been a lot of gloom and doom around it. but i don't think, you don't want to put too much stock in a snap poll and a national poll when the state by state is determinative here. it is probably likely that the numbers will move in a good direction for democrats which, if nothing else, will sort of help momentum. but also it is a long haul and we're just getting started and this is day two. and the republican party, the trump campaign obviously has a plan for kamala harris which we haven't really seen to this point. but it is going to be a lot more difficult going forward than just the initial few days. >> the trump campaign said, donald trump himself said he

will debate her. there was that post he put out on his social media saying that he would debate her. but he thinks it should be on fox news because abc is unfair. on an rnc call, he said he would absolutely commit to debating vice president harris. and that he would be willing to do more than one debate. he said that he believes she'll be easier to beat than joe biden because he was slightly more mainstream. but not much. mark, there is also just, in terms of the polling, the numbers are moving, i wonder how much stock you put into the -- i'm out -- the amount of money raised. it is even more than that if you talk about major donors who have contributed to the campaign. just so much money, a flood of money that has come in. and the campaign said 62% of the donors are first-time donors and pointing to that as a sign of enthusiasm among donors an not just the big money folks.

do you put a lot of weight there? >> both sides are raising a lot of money. it is a sign of early momentum and also some pent up demand for democrats. to have something to put their money. that could speak to a long momentum stretch for her. because early shows people putting their money where their mouth is, it is very encouraging for that. i'm a little bit -- i would be interested to hear what the democrats response it to donald trump's openness to multiple debates with kamala harris. i do think one thing she's probably going to try to do is be everywhere. try to be much more ubiquitous than joe biden certainly was. because, look, her youth, her vigor, her presence is going to be a major asset and also contrast to what the ticket look the like a week ago. won't be surprised if the debate calendar or the discussion opens up again. eerm way, it is new and it is

interesting and it is more unknown than what last week looks like. >> and tammy baldwins with with her today, the senator from wisconsin did not show up with joe biden when joe biden had a campaign event in wisconsin. jake, there is also a big protest behind you because tomorrow the prime minister of israel netanyahu is going to be speaking to congress. what are you seeing there? >> reporter: it is a deafening cheer about [ inaudible ]. expecting thousands and thousands, this is a protest in the middle of the -- it is deafening. you're going to see a lot of -- in the next couple of days an the speaker of house has warned members of congress that he'll have protesters in the house chamber arrested. so we're in for a fascinating few days. >> deafening indeed.

benjamin netanyahu speaking to congress tomorrow. vice president kamala harris said she will be meeting with the israeli prime minister but she's not going to be at his address to congress. jake ashley and mark thank you very much. and the secret service director has resigned. there is a new acting director, ronald roe jr., assumed the role this afternoon after kimberly cheatle come to intense bipartisan pressure to resign. we saw that pressure reach a crescendo yesterday when she testified in front of the house over sight committee. democrat and republicans increasingly angry that she could not answer basic questions about how a gunman could get within line of sight to a former president. joining you nous, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. what do we know about the new director. >> reporter: ronald roe was the deputy director and he was helping to run the secret

service and in kind of variety of management jobs and he's been with the agency since 1999 so he's of the institution. and question is is this a caretaker getting through the transition or could lead the secret service going forward to salvage his reputation and i think the answer to that depends on what the various investigations find about what went wrong here. how deep is the run. how systemic were the fail oars. was there an operational failure on one day or does it go deeper than that. nbc news reported two days ago that the area of the secret service that protected the president has shrunked. so there is real budget issues and we don't remember hearing about that before. so where was the leadership on this. so those are the kind of things that these investigations are going to take a look at and that will influence whether this interim director staying on board. >> ken, thank you very much. and still ahead, already on the attack with the trump campaign is doing to recalibrate

and turn its focus to a new don't opponent. and in his endorsement, governor josh shapiro said the road to victory comes through pennsylvania. congressman madeleine dean represents the pennsylvania voters and what she thinks harris needs to do to win. first live to another swing state that could decide the race. with what voters are saying about the democrats' campaign pivot. we're back in 90 seconds. after careful review of medical guidance and research on pain relief, my recommendation is simple: every home should have salonpas. powerful yet non-addictive. targeted and long-lasting. i recommend salonpas. it's good medicine. ♪ hisamitsu ♪ switch to shopify so you can build it better, scale it faster and sell more. much more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify.

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it is now mistake that vice president harris made her first campaign stop in wisconsin this afternoon. the battleground state helps joe biden win there 2020. but it is not in the bag for november. notably, among those who attended her rally today were ivew workers who. you could see them there. from the fluorescent yellow t-shirts they're waying. support from rank and file union members will be key to winning the cheese state as will rank and file voters. especially the ones who were either unenthusiastic or still on the fence. joining us now shaquille brewster who is in kenosha. what is the sentiment on the ground now that the race has been changed? >> reporter: there is a gap that i keep hearing about in my dozens of conversations that i've had specifically here in wisconsin.

among the core democratic base, there is truly a lot of energy and enthusiasm around the vice president now taking the lead in this fight. they talk about feeling more confident in their fighter and someone who could take the message on to donald trump. but among those swing voters, unexcited or unenthusiastic before, there is more work to be done. the vice president is trying to do that by coming to wisconsin and campaigning today. but listen to a sample of the conversations i've been having. >> just exciting, having another woman candidate. energizing and exciting. >> i have much more confidence for sure. things were looking a little grim at a point. i think now having a younger, more energized candidate helps me feel better, i think, if the dnc would have taken this path

two months ago when the same problems existed, i might have leaned toward kamala, now knowing the things that they've been hiding in plain sight from the american public, i cannot find it in myself to vote for a democrat and potentially i might never vote for a democrat again. >> and with that last conversation, it was the first time i heard someone bring up that point. at least in my conversations. that the idea that the vice president is almost being anointed, that there wasn't the primary process, someone who could go and cast a ballot in a primary. that made him kind of turn him off from supporting any democrat or anyone on the democratic ticket. but i think one thing that he said, when we continued to talk a little bit, was that he will watch closely who vice president harris chooses as her vp nominee. what is her vice presidential pick. because that is something that he admits could bring him back. at least make him a little bit more interested. so i think, again, among the

core base, a lot of excitement, among those who were undecided or unenthused. there is an interest there that wasn't there before but they don't know what decision they're making. >> shuch interesting kofgs. thank you. coming up, what vice president harris is facing from republicans just two days into her campaign. but she represented pennsylvania, congressman madeleine dean on what she's hearing from voters. madeleine ds hearing from voters. the itch and rash of moderate to severe eczema disrupts my skin, night and day. despite treatment, it's still not under control. but now i have rinvoq. a once-daily pill that reduces the itch and helps clear the rash of eczema —fast. some taking rinvoq felt significant itch relief as early as 2 days— and some achieved dramatic skin clearance as early as 2 weeks. many saw clear or almost-clear skin. plus, many had clearer skin

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how republicans spent the last three years probing every facet of president biden's life. trying to exploit his every weakness and misstep and fumble and was seen an attempt to try to weaken him. but president biden isn't running against donald trump any more. vp kamala harris is. so how is she being framed by republicans on the hill. >> first off, he's going to hire a black female for vice president and that is not just -- just skipped over, what about -- what about white females or any other group. when you go down that route, you take -- and that is what they have right now as a vice president. >> you're suggesting he she was a dei hire. >> 100%, she was a dei hire. >> that was tim burchett of tennessee on cnn saying that

kamala harris was a dei hire and he wasn't alone in saying that. host of politics nation reverend al sharpton. thank you for being here. we spoke about this yesterday. we're hearing more of it on the hill today with republicans saying that she is only in that position because she's diverse. how does she fight against that. >> first ever all, i think that she could clearly run against it by her record. she was elected, the district attorney, in san francisco. then she was elect the the attorney general of california. and then she was elected by the vice president of the united states. everybody that voted for biden voted for her at the same time to be vice president and that he got more votes than any election for president in american history. so, when you look at the fact that the majority of san

francisco, majority of california and a majority of the united states are not black, it is diverse and she won all of them with a diverse electorate, it shows how ignorant or if not asinine that it is. so they have to reduce to it dei or some form of giveaway. she, in fact, has held three elected offices, two state wide, and they are supporting a guy who has never held elected office and in fact his only connection to government is 34 felonies that he's going to have to report to a federal or a local parole officer, according on the sentence of the state charges and if he's convicted in the others. donald trump has never been elected to anything. so, if they're saying that

kamala harris is a dei, a dei appointment, are they selling that -- to elect donald trump, would be to reform felons. >> the term dei it is used a lot in the right-wing media ecosphere. they use it a lot to paint policies in a certain way, to paint people in a certain way. be them other media figures or other public figures or, you know, presidents of big institutions or in this case the vice president. it is not just, though -- it is coming from a lot of different types of people. there is burgees owens of utah, one of the four black house republicans who is saying that kamala harris is a dei candidate. who is calling her the greatest example of dei.

when you hear him say that, rev, what are you thinking? >> i'm thinking that, again, the record speaks for itself. i just gave her record. and i think the record shows she's more than qualified. >> why do you think -- but why do you think this is the attack that they go for. going after her record. >> i think that they're trying to go and appeal to people, that are misinformed that, blacks only receive higher office or receive higher positions even in the corporate world because they're black rather than dei programs. and there is no dei program in the selection. but for those in the corporate world that adopted it, it is to make sure that blacks who are qualified are not excluded and therefore you must undo what was done by law. you have to remember, affirmative action was dei comes out the spirit of that. it started under richard nixon.

deputy secretary of labor under richard nixon, a republican started affirmative action. because they were saying the only way that we could catch up was making fair and equal what we made unequal by law. it is against the law to hold certain positions, it is to have an affirmative action to effort to do that. dei, that got popular as a result of george floyd, which i was intimately involved, was to say that we take taxes and consumer dollars from diverse communities, we must show that those diverse communities can hold corporate jobs, corporate contracts and be on corporate boards. so they don't mind diversifying our tax base in terms of tax ever taxpayers. they don't mind diversifying contracts. all of that to make them a profit. but how dare you asked to be treated equal and asure that we have goals that your consumer

base and your electorate is reflected in your jobz and in your boards. >> could i ask you about another story out there and you've been following it. there is this dushing body cam footage out of illinois of a police shooting. the cop in this footage, it is tough to watch. the cops get called to a woman's house, sonia massey. she called them. they go and look for a prowler. and they end up shooting her to death in inside her own home. you could hear on the tape after the shooting, the officer who fired the gun saying she was coming at me with a pot of boiling water. but the video doesn't show that. what is your reaction? >> the video does not that he that. eye talked to her father this morning and attorney ben crump. they'll be on politics nation with us over the weekend. and i intend to be in chicago next week holding a rally. i know they'll be right there in

springfield, i believe on friday. the fact of the matter is, this unarmed woman, shot in her own house and what we were told from the video is that the policeman said to take the hot water off the stove. you'll start a fire and when she went to get the hot water he turned around and said drop it and shot her. and she said i rebuke you in the name of jesus. this is a brutal unquestionable frontal attack, not only on killing her, i mean, from the tape, it was cold blooded murder. but in terms of how we see law enforcement just feel they could do anything. now i give credit to governor pritzker, who has denounced it and i believe the family met with the governor today. they were telling me they were on the way to do that when i talked to the father. and i also know that both vice president harris and the white

house has released a statement. but, again, here we are four years after george floyd still dealing with police brutality, which is why we need the george floyd justice and policing act as federal law. so law enforcement will know you can't even play in the state courts and i remind you, george floyd and that bill came about under donald trump who never stood up and said anything about the nine minutes and some off seconds of george floyd. he only denounced the protests. do we want to return america back to that? i don't think so. >> there is also brianna taylor who was shot in her home. >> and ahmad aubrey. and the list goes on. he never said anything about any of them. >> it is shocking that it is happening and still on video showing us. by the way, the saga mond county sheriff's office said that the officer had other options available and he will face judgment by the criminal justice

system and will never again work in law enforcement. they're also questions about why he had the job in the first place. he had been moving from department to department. i was listened to an interview with his father this morning on another network and it is heartbreaking to hear what that family is going through. and i look forward to your interview this weekend, rev. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, a lawmaker from a state that will be critical for both republicans and democrats. what pennsylvania voters are saying today. congressman madeleine dean joins me in just a moment. n madeleines men ijust a moment.

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we don't know much about her yet. she was the vice president in the biden administration but she doesn't play a major role besides immigration. >> think she's been a part of the biden -- president biden success. she's been there sever step of the way. and lately she's been out talking about the abortion issue, i think she's been on the trail with him. she has to introduce herself to a little bit more to america. >> those are voters from pennsylvania, another must-win state looking to win more about the new defact or democratic nominee. so what does the commonwealth want to know. joining us now congressman madeleine dean who represents the fourth district which includes the mainline. so many suburban women that are

key and donald trump wanted them in 2016 and didn't get them in 2020. what are they looking for today and how should she be campaigning in the state of pennsylvania? >> well, good to be with you. apologize for my delay. i will to move locations because of a very large protest going on in the rotunda. in advance of mr. netanyahu's joint address tomorrow. so forry for my delay and i'm here with you now. i am very excited to tell you that my congressional district, the fourth congressional district is fired up. i'm hearing from so many folks, whether their donors or people who knock on doors, committee people, volunteers who are never volunteered to do any of this before are so fired up about kamala harris campaigning in pennsylvania and winning in pennsylvania. we see that canvassing requests are up. we see that phone bank requests are up. people are saying, what can i do

to help this ticket. and so what i -- i do want to back up a little bit to say this excitement has been brought to us because of an extraordinary president of the united states. joe biden, through his own discernment, through his service, decided that what was best for country was to put himself aside and put country first as he has done for more than 50 years. and then so enthusiastically to support his most able vice president, who will be able to prosecute this case against mr. trump. >> the state of pennsylvania, as we've been saying, is necessary to win in 2020. both candidates obviously really want the states. should kamala harris come armed with a running mate who is from the state of pennsylvania? should it be governor josh shapiro? >> not a bad idea, katy, i could be very excited about that.

i have known josh shapiro for more than 20 years. governor shapiro now. he is my friend. he is a man of faith and family and such ability. i have had the opportunity to talk to him recently. he has -- he really enjoys what he's doing. you know where he's come from. he was the youngest chief of staff on the hill many, many years ago, to then congressman joe hopple. and since then, he was a state representative and i had the honor of sitting in the seat when he went oun to county government and he went on as prosecutor and now as our governor of pennsylvania. wow, that would be a fantastic, exciting ticket and i recognize completely that this is kamala harris's choice. >> madeleine dean of the great state of pennsylvania. the commonwealth of pennsylvania. excuse me. thank you very much for joining us. i appreciate it. i'm sorry you had to move. but thank you so much for the

hustle. >> thank you, katy. and coming up donald trump and his republican allies step up their attacks against kamala harris. what they're saying. kamala harris what they'reay sing. ok y'all we got ten orders coming in.. big orders! starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant.. that's a different story. i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground up. people were showing up left and right. and so did our business needs. the chase ink card made it easy. when you go for something big like this, your kids see that. and they believe they can do the same. earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card from chase for business. make more of what's yours.

like we said at the top of the show we got some new polling

today. interesting polling showing us the state of the race now that president joe biden has decided not to run for re-election. this is a reuters/ipsos poll. you can see she's ahead of donald trump by two points. the head-to-head matchup is within the margin of error, but when you add in rfk, there's a four point margin that's outside the margin of error. it also is -- should be shown alongside a morning consult poll we also got today that shows donald trump in the lead, 47 to 45, again within the margin of error. joining us now, cook political report, senior editor david wassermann, a man who knows the numbers, deals in probabilities like this. again, these are very quick polls. the race is going to change

going forward. but does this say anything to you about where we might be headed? >> look, katy, it's going to take at least a week before we get a robust samples of national polls that tells us what's changed that said i expect a honeymoon period for kamala harris and after a while it's going to come back down to earth opinion similar to the honeymoon she enjoyed when picked by joe biden four years ago but can she get ahead of republicans' attacks. when she ran in 2022 she laughed at joe biden on several issues, and her position on cash bail in the past and particularly on crime in the wake of what happened in minnesota that summer, can she address democratics' biggest weakness

when it comes to immigration? and rather than simply be on defense with regards to her role as border czar, go out on offense against republican scuttling of the immigration compromise. >> i think on policing and immigration it's clear she's going to go there. do you think she's going to go there on health care? during the 2020 campaign she said she was for medicare for all but her policy didn't quite look that way. she wasn't getting rid of all private insurance, she didn't go as far as bernie sanders. but she was squishy on it, do you think she has to get on the record on health care in this campaign? >> she is. in 2020 part of the reason she didn't get off the ground she was constantly trying to split the baby, and appeared as though she stood for now. so now she has moved to the middle and the question is can

she seize that. one way to do that is pick a running mate that balances her out. donald trump was superconfident picking a running mate with plenty of -- kamala harris has an opportunity to try to move towards the middle by picking a running mate who has a more conservative set of positions, she has the opportunity to articulate her own visitation in a generally without having to get through a primary, which was her biggest challenge four years ago. >> i have ten seconds is this you saying she needs to pick andy beshear? >> i think he offers the most ideological balance, shapiro is possibly the most able attack dog so it depends on what she wants. >> thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. that is going to do it for me

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