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redemption tour aiming to reclaim the top spot. when biles had to withdraw for mental health reasons. biles, jordan chiles beat out italy and brazil who placed second and third. and to top it off, this was biles eighth olympic medal making her the most decorated athlete in the history of the olympic games. she will compete against others in the individual all around final. it will be the first time two all around gold medalists will go head to head at an olympic games. you know i'll be watching. on that note i wish you a very good night. stephanie ruhle will be back tomorrow. you can catch me on saturday and sunday mornings on our new show, the weekend. from all of us across the
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networks of nbc news, thank you so much for staying up late and i'll see you this weekend. the momentum behind the kamala harris campaign shows no signs of letting up. the vice president was introduced by three time grammy winner and rap megastar megan tthee stallion. vice president harris used that moment to issue a direct challenge to donald trump. >> the momentum in this race is shifting. and there are signs that donald trump is feeling it. he pulls out of the debate in september. he had previous agreed to. well, donald.
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i do hope you will reconsider to meet me on the debate stage. the saying goes if you have something so say, say it to me face! >> well that rally comes as polling shows she has effectively wiped out trump's lead in all of the key swing states. harris is leading trump by 11 points in michigan. a major shift in that state. in all six other battleground states, they are in a statistical tie within the margin of error. harris leads by two points in arizona, nevada, and wisconsin. trump leads by four points in pennsylvania and two points in north carolina. they are running dead even in georgia. as the vice president's campaign heats up, the republican candidate and his running mate, well they are
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spending their time running away from their own unpopular statements and policies. for weeks democratting have been hammering the trump campaign over project 2025. the extreme policy agenda created by a conservative think tank is a blueprint for a second trump administration. today the daily beast was the first to report the trump campaign has officially forced the conservative think tank to part ways with an architect of project 2025. the campaign manager put the screws to paul danes in an effort to force him out and shut down the right wing shop behind project 2025. the trump campaign released a statement trying to publicly distance itself from the project saying quote reports of project 2025's demise would be greatly welcome. but if trump really wants to cut ties with project 2025, well, he might have to start firing people a little closer to home. a new book from the architects of project 2025 promoting their
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extreme agenda is set to be released later this year. and the forward to that new project book was written by none other than trump's running mate jd vance. and promoted the book back when it was called dawn's early night. burning down washington to save america with a cover image showing a match over the word washington. trump campaign has already spent the last week in damage control mode over the choice for trump's running mate. vance as you know has tried to explain away bizarre and offensive statements he made denigrating adults who do not have children. referring to them derisively as childless cat ladies. even arguing that parents votes should count for more than those of not parents. those comments appear to be more than just a one off. reporters have now unearthed more video of jd vance calling people without children deranged, psychotic, and sociopaths. >> they are just these basic
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cadences of life that i think are really powerful and really valuable when you have kids in your life. and the fact that so many people, especially in america's leadership class just don't have that in their lives, i worry that it makes people more sociopathic and our whole country a little bit less mentally stable. you go on twitter and almost always, the people who are most deranged and most psychotic are people who don't have kids at home. >> we care about children because we are not sociopaths and we don't want to live in a society of sociopaths. >> joining me now, democratic senator from california, at lek barilla. we will get to your fellow senator jd vance in a second. but first i want to talk about the new polling out today from bloomburg news. it shows trump and harris in competitive races across seven swing states. arizona, michigan, north carolina, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. that is of course a stronger showing than we saw when that
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was a matchup between president biden and former president trump. i wonder what you think it is about harris' candidacy that is act visiting the voters. >> the numbers are not surprising, the one thing that we didn't hear kamala say is bring it on. because we know that vice president harris is bringing it to the campaign trail. and you see the numbers shifting. you see the excitement. you saw that crowd in atlanta. more than 10,000 people at that rally. felt like a mini convention already. but i think the response to her entering the race, what we are feeling on the ground, to me doesn't come as a surprise, i have known her, i have known her leadership. and the electric nature of her personality from our days in california. you don't get to be a successful da in san francisco,
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a successful attorney general in california, a u.s. senator for california, and then be picked by president biden to be the vice president without the credibility, the experience, the credentials to move our country forward. we are feeling increasingly positive about democratic wins in november. we just have 98 days to continue to do the work. >> there is new reporting harris is planning to campaign with her running mate as soon as next week, your sense of the most important qualities she needs to be looking for as she vets those candidates? >> yeah. it is a combination of things. it is probably the most important and personal selection that she will make in her career. who will be her ultimate governing partner in the harris administration in the next four years? and i think just as president biden did with her, she is
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going to look first at somebody who is ready to step into the role of president of the united states. if necessary. it couldn't be more exciting. >> a lot of excitement that bears out in the polling that you and i were just talking about. it also bears out in the fund raising numbers we have seen since she announced her candidacy. and yet the campaign and vice president harris herself quick to remind us she remains the underdog in this race. how do you see it? >> look, we have to keep it in mind. someone who has been a first in so many steps in my career, first latino president of the city council. i know what she has gone through and has to fight to
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overcome to prove herself. her election as attorney general, da. to become the first african american southeast asian vice president of the united states and on the verge of making tremendous history for our country. that's a lot you are working against. let alone the negativity, the hate, from trump and maga republicans. it is not lost on us. november a victory is not guaranteed. we know the stakes are high. but increasingly, democrats across the country and independents across the country are ready to put in the work to organize, fund raise, get out the vote, because we need to win this november. >> senator, only about a minute left. but i do want to get your take on your colleague jd vance and the fact that americans are continuing to learn about some of the comments he has made about childless people specifically. childless women. you surprised by any of it?
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>> it's appalling and offensive and as much as we have learned by now, i'm sure there is more coming from where that came from. but it is not shocking in the least bit because we also know who donald trump is. and donald trump chose as his running mates, nothing other than a yes man mini me and it is a continued reflection of what we know donald trump is all about. he is not about governance or inclusivity or anything positive. he is about hate, bitterness, division, his only agenda, tax breaks for the wealthy and extremist judges that are part of why we are in this position to begin with. democracy is at stake. democracy is on the ballot this november. and we will do what it takes to win. >> i have asked you a lot about a odds so thank you for refocusing us on the stakes. alex, thank you. joining me now, erin haines and roger sullenburger. thank you both so much for being here. you have senator schumer planning to hold a vote this
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week that could expand the child tax credit while you have republicans planning to block it. i wonder how all that looks for senator jd vance. especially after his comments about the importance of having children, taxing parents less than their childless americans. >> yeah. i mean it just continues to draw a contrast. especially in this 2024 presidential campaign. you had kamala harris at the rally. i literally just left in atlanta talking about fighting for middle class families. she brought up the child tax credit as something as president she would prioritize. so you know, i think we have seen that jd vance's role >> oh no. erin, i lost you, but i'm coming back to you, roger, let me go to you, you have a new piece called trump forces out project 2025 master mind. tell me what you know.
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has the damage been done? >> what project 2025 is and what it will do as much as it is about who project 2025 is. right now, there has been a lot of jockeying for power over people installing what would be potential next trump administration. and, in my reporting, trump's top campaign adviser has forced out the director of project 2025. the trump campaign, the demise of project 2025. the head of the heritage foundation responded with a statement of his own saying well you know, project 2025 is going to be ongoing. it is really about who is going to be at the controls implementing these policies and
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it does come at a pretty politically testy moment for this initiative. we have seen a whole lot of popular blowback against project 2025. these were published more than a year ago. and they have been out there for a while. a lot has been accomplished in terms of this think tank's efforts. but you know, what we are seeing now is just sort of maybe a rebuffering of who is going to be in charge of implementing it. >> especially because a lot of it squares with trump's own stated agenda. all of this about gutting the administrative state. gutting federal agencies. we have heard that from trump himself. you don't necessarily need to see it in project 2025 to know it is something he is interested in. you know how jd vance's fingerprints are all over it. he wrote the forward of a
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forthcoming book about project 2025. taking back washington to save america. i don't know how they disentangle vance from any of this. >> yeah. it is pretty tough. the timing of project 2025 really hitting the mainstream has jammed them out. been out in public reports more than a year now. and what we are seeing now is now people are paying attention to it and it has become just a little bit too late for jd vance to withdraw maybe his forward to this book from kevin roberts. the head of the heritage foundation. that forward was an excerpt in the new republic just published today. i suggest that everybody go and read it if they can. there are some allusions to i guess a violent stand against
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the existing system. but yeah. they have gotten jammed up on it. the timing is everything here. >> the language addressing violence is in fact worth everyone reading for themselves. i lost you, but i got you back erin. which is critical because you were at that rally today. and i want to know as our eyes and ears on the ground, what you saw in that room. what you saw on that stage that we might have missed watching feedback here at home. >> i think it probably did come through on the stage. i mean, i literally left that rally. literally thousands of people. and they had the stars out in atlanta. i'm talking politics and entertainment which is how we do things in atlanta. you have people like stacey abrams who made a rare joint appearance. bringing back some of the nostalgia from 2020 when they won their historic victories
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and became two democratic senator ifs georgia. you had megan thee stallion. and cuevo talking about their relationship that came around working toward addressing gun violence. and so you no what i also notice that felt familiar was the same energy that i saw here in georgia in 2020 when democrats turn this state blue for the first time in a generation. elected those two democratic senators. i don't know if they can keep up the same energy for the next 98 days. 14 weeks from now. but if they do, this really feels like a winable state and race for her. >> i have less than a minute left. do you think project 2025 recedes into the night? >> the head of the heritage foundation came out with a
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statement today saying the work is not done. i want to impress upon folks the distinction of what this agenda is and who it is. and it is just about who is going to be in charge of potentially staffing a second trump administration. i think the agenda, trump has tied himself to all these things quite clearly. he spoke at the heritage foundation and announced this groundwork that will be coming for it about his next administration. a lot of the maga right is unhappy with this. the person who forced the red, the director is a top term campaign staffer.
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an institutionalist. and he is not very well liked or trusted on the true believer side. so we are seeing just that in fighting playing out right now. >> the who as important as the what. erin and roger, thank you both so much for being with us. we have more to come including an inside peek at the supreme court under chief justice john roberts after a session that granted big items on donald trump's wish list. but first, donald trump trying to hang the fake title of border czar on his democratic rival. we'll get a reality on that from senator chris murphy. that's next. that's next. ♪ “billathi askara” by björn jason lindh ♪ [metal creaking] [camera zooming] ♪ [window slamming] woman: [gasps] [dog barking] ♪ woman: [screams] ♪ [explosion] [explosion] ♪
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thousands of venezuelans have taken to the streets to protest what they say is a blatant attempt by nicholas maduro to retain power after a flawed election. as many as one-third of the country reportedly considering migrating if the current government remains in power. many of them to the u.s. this threatens to inject venezuela's crisis here. with multiple political ads released today, falsely claiming harris was named
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border czar by president biden. joins me now, senator chris murphy, democrat of connecticut. member of the senate foreign relations committee. senator, always good to see you. thank you so much for being with us. let's start by talking about venezuela. can you just connect the dots for our viewers between what we are watching unfold in venezuela and the immigration crisis, asylum crisis we so often talk about here at home? >> so, over the past decade, nicholas maduro, the brutal dictator of venezuela has presided over a stunning collapse of the venezuelan economy that has caused nearly 8 million venezuelans to leave that country. most of which destined for the united states. part of the the reason we saw 10,000 people showing up at the border every day last year. a number that the united states just can't handle with current resources because of the meltdown of the venezuelan economy. it is no surprise that in the election that was held this
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week, maduro clearly lost. the briefings i have received today suggest that he not only lost, he probably lost in a landslide and is attempting as we speak to steal the election. if he is successful not only will venezuela continue to spiral into political and economic chaos, but you be see more people come to the southern border. that is why the biden administration engaged in some really creative diplomacy over the course of the last six months to unite the venezuelan opposition so give them a real chance at beating maduro which it appears they have. maduro is in a corner. we are working with our allies and partner ins the region to try to get him to accept the results of the election. the reason we are here today with a chance to be able to transition away from power to the opposition, a united opposition, is in part a story about effective biden harris diplomacy. >> and understanding when you
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talk about migration to this country, you have to talk about push and pull factors and why it is people flee their home country to seek safety and refuge in the united states. which is why i find it particularly rich when you have donald trump running not one, but two ads attacking vice president harris on immigration falsely claiming she was named border czar by president biden. how do you see vice president harris' record on immigration? >> well i think democrats should go on the offense when it comes to immigration and border policy. first, because kamala harris was not named border czar, but she was given a very important but discreet task. she was asked to try to work with our central american countries to reduce those reasons that you properly explained that people leave those countries because of violence or political disability or economic destitution to come to the united states. she did exactly that. in fact, she organized over 50
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american companies to invest $5 billion in three key central american countries and guess what happened? over the first two years of the biden administration? migration from those countries was cut by 50 to 60% so she should run on her record of reducing flows from those countries but also this. we constructed a bipartisan border security deal. and it would have passed if not for donald trump and jd vance. they killed the first meaningful bipartisan immigration and border security deal in a generation. kamala harris was for that agreement. she rearticulated that again today in atlanta. and she has the opportunity to not only run on her record of successfully reducing migration in the united states, but on her clear preference for a bipartisan solution that donald trump did everything he could to scuttle so he could get political advantage in this. all donald trump cares about is
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himself. all he cares about is political advantage. he doesn't actually want to solve problems like the problem of so many people showing up in an unplanned way to the southern border. >> to your point, we heard the vice president make that exact argument on stage in atlanta. the campaign also also has an ad out. before you go, i want to ask you about the situation in lebanon, israel has blamed hezbollah for a deadly attack over the weekend. the israeli controlled golan heights. killed 12 children. they retaliated with an air strike in beirut they claim killed a top hezbollah commander. how concerned are you with the escalation? >> i'm deeply concerned. there is no doubt israel has the right to defend itself as you know. thousands of families have had to flee northern israel because of ongoing attacks from hezbollah since the october 7th attacks but it is not in the interest of israel or in
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the interest of the united states for there to be a second front opened up between hezbollah and israel. and so, my hope, my belief is cooler heads will prevail. the biden administration has been hard at work to keep that conflict from erupting and there is frankly hope that we could build upon some of the successes we had in allowing israel and lebanon to be in a more functional diplomatic conversation. that can only happen if there is a cease fire in gaza and cooler heads prevail with respect to the northern front. and the biden administration is hard at work trying to make sure that this doesn't spiral into something much more deadly and long term. >> senator chris murphy taking us from latin america to the middle east tying it all up for us. thank you so much for making the time. still to come, the atlantics joins me to talk
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even been a month since the united states supreme court ruled that donald trump is entitled to substantial immunity from prosecution for alleged crimes committed involving core official presidential acts. effectively placing him and other u.s. presidents above the law. now, while we await the impact of that controversial ruling on several criminal cases pending against trump, we are getting new insight into how the conservative majority at the supreme court came to its 6-3 decision. cnn reporting today that chief justice john roberts who previously has been able to broker compromises made no serious effort to entice the three liberal justices for even a modicum of the agreement to distinguish such presidential power cases in the past. people close to justices in the far right told cnn those justices were heartened by roberts after years of suspicions about his efforts at the center of the bench. according to cnn, all told, roberts appears to have reached a turning point.
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joining me now, melissa murray, cohost of the podcast stripped scrutiny. my friend it is good to see you. are you at all surprised by the reporting i just shared? >> not at all surprised by the reporting alicia, but i was one of those people who for years had noted that despite being raised in the crucible of the conservative legal movement, john roberts had really proven himself to be something of an institutionist. he sided with the liberals on key abortion cases. he was the lone conservative who refused to overrule roe v. wade in dobbs but there seems to be a limit. this case, the immunity case took a long time. that seemed to have been by design. the court waited until the last day of the term to announce a decision which according to joan who reported this seemed to compress the amount of time for negotiations and that was really meaningful because it seems clear that chief justice
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roberts was not interested in negotiating. that he was interested in brokering a sweeping grant of immunity and he wasn't interested in any kind of compromise. that to me was actually a real surprise. because i thought the amount of time the court was takeing to decide this case was because the chief justice was trying to get everyone on board for some kind of a unanimous decision. that would require time. turns out they were just running out the clock. chief justice roberts wanted an imperial presidency and he got himself one. >> will you help me understand this reporting and the context of this speech yesterday? you had president biden laying out proposals for supreme court reforms. mandatory ethics rules. 18-year term limits. a constitutional amendment that would overturn the court's ruling on presidential immunity. given the insights we are getting into this court, i wonder how we should be thinking about those reforms. >> well they are obviously
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urgent and necessary. this is a court with a 6-3 conservative super majority and it will be that way some time. they have broad power to do what they like and they have been doing what they like. they have had the 6-3 conservative super majority about three years and each year, they have overruled a major precedent. dobbs, the affirmative action cases and this year, they overruled chevron and with the immunity decision, they overruled some of the earlier precedents so this is a court that is bent on doing what it wants and it does need reining in. to be clear, i'm not clear that the president's proposal will get a lot of traction in this election year. but it signals the democrats are no longer putting this on the back burner. they recognize that this court is an impediment to any kind of progress that elected officials can make in their domestic
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agendas going forward. if they pass something in congress, this is the court that will unravel it in the courts so they need to address the court and this imbalance and they need to do it sooner rather than later. >> you had ohio becoming the latest state to ban abortions. they joined 20 other states that ban or severely restrict the procedure. the iowa ban is purposely vague. are there legal remedies for this or are the solutions largely political? >> well going forward seems like this will be a political fight. it will not necessarily be a legal fight. i note the iowa supreme court that upheld this ban, it was a narrow decision. voting in dissent saying the law should not have been upheld.
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in states where you have the prospect of ballot initiatives, you can use direct democracy to achieve these things but this will move from the legal realm to the political realm. here is where i think people in iowa have an advantage. this question of reproductive freedom enjoying majority support in iowa. the reason it can't get through the legislature is because the legislature is so gerrymandered such that iowa legislators don't have to be responsive to their constituents. if you can address the gerrymandering and the distortion, people can have their preferences reflected. until then you'll have to see these match nations. coming up, atlantics mccay
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play. >> our enemies are trying to steal, kill, and destroy our america. so we need you to intervene. >> believe it or not, those what you just heard there, those were prayers. if you have never had the pleasure of sitting through the entirety of a trump rally, you would not know many of them start with prayer. the whole rally is framed as a quasi religious event and the way the pastors preach, it is not just dark, it is evolving. the atlantic analyzed more than a year's worth of these trump rally prayers to try to understand how the religious right views trump and how they are framing the upcoming election. joining us now, mccay coppin. you listened to more than a year's worth of these prerally prayers. what did you learn? >> there are a couple of different themes that stood out to me in reviewing all 58 of these prayers. one of them is that the way
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that the prayers describe the state of america is almost borderline apocalyptic. you heard a couple of clip ins the intro there. but people describe america as being on the precipice of catastrophe. as wallowing in addiction and sin and death. and at the root of this is a theological belief that america much like ancient israel in the old testament has broken its covenant with god and is being punished for its sinfulness and to renew its good standing, america needs to reelect donald trump who is a righteous leader and will lead america back to a bodily place. the other thing i think is important to note is that a lot of the prayers, not all of them, but a lot of them framed the election as part of a spiritual battle. there was one pastor in south
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carolina who said we are battling demonic forces led by joe biden and kamala harris. you could chalk this up to fringy provocative rhetoric. but if truth is if you believe this election is a front in a spiritual war, pitting supernatural angels against demons it changes the way that you think about winning and losing. the stakes are just much higher for people who have internalized these ideas. >> i want to stay on that exact point. we have more video of televangelists saying a prayer in that trump rally. >> let us pray because we are fighting a demonic force. a real enemy that comes from the gates of hell led by one of its leaders joe biden and kamala harris. >> it sounds different coming from you than it does coming
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from the televangelist. and you talked about winning and losing so if this is the frame this is all part of a religious battle, what happens if they do lose in november? how, then, do they process the losing? >> well that was the question that i kind of had and it was rattling around in the back of my mind the whole time i was reading these prayers and watching these videos. because it seems to me that if you have internalized the idea that you have a divine mandate to win this election, that god is on your side, that god has anointed donald trump as his chosen leader and he is supposed to lead the country, if he loses, you kind of have two choices. you can accept defeat and accept that your entire theological framework, your faith, was misplaced. and that is going to be difficult. it is going to take some really hard work. or you can believe that something that was amiss. that the election was stolen.
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that satan has his hand in this outcome. and you can fight it and my fear is we will see a replay of january 6th in 2020 but maybe on a larger scale because i will tell you, i have covered more than a hundred of these trump rallies and the prayers have evolved overtime. there were prayer ins 2016. i'm sure there were some more kind of extreme prayers like these ones. but is theological underpinnings of the prayers have shifted and the way they are shifting this election as something that has eternal consequences is new from my perspective. >> an incredible new piece in the atlantic you have, thank you so much for making the time. >> thanks. coming up, identity groups are rallying behind kamala harris' historic white house run. the organizer and a member of the newest group white dudes for harris joins me next. stay with us. stay with us. les under $40 that are anything but basic.
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it started with a relatively small group of black women who four years ago began gathering on a weekly virtual call. then kamala harris entered the presidential race. 44,000 black women joined the call and raised $1.5 million for harris' white house bid. that fundraiser with the hash tag win with black women network has reinvigorated democrats and fueled a fund raising boom among other identity groups. in the last week alone, 53,000 black men backing harris raised $1.3 million in just four hours. more than 164,000 white women raised more than $8 million. crashing zoom multiple times in the process. and last night, the new group white dudes for harris attracted more than 180,000 participants, raised more than $4 million in a star studded zoom call of its own. joining me now, ross, the organizer of white dudes for
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harris. and rory o'malley. tony nominated actor. so tell me, why white dudes? >> for too long, we have been seating white men to the maga republicans. the left hasn't been doing anything to talk to those folks for years and years. and something that the call showed us last night is the fact that there's a hunger among white men who are nonmaga republicans. i think about those folks as the silent majority of white men who don't support donald trump or his antics. and last night shows how powerful that can be. we had 200,000 people get on the zoom. and today, we had another 100,000 people watch the zoom, or watch the feed after the fact. we raised over $4 million. we had over 60,000 donations that were made during the zoom
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call. there is just a ton of energy out there for it and we were able to capture some of it last night. >> i want you to know ross who is a once in a generation organizer who said the thing you need to know is while rory is an incredible actor and performer he is in his heart and soul an organizer so i want to ask you as you were recruiting other folks to this call, what did you find to be most resonant? is this about kamala harris or is this about something even bigger? >> this is 2008. this feels like a political earthquake. i remember when obama said we are the ones. we have been waiting for. and how that changed my life. and how it changed the lives of a generation. a call to wake up and take action. and you can't fake this kind of enthusiasm or energy around vice president harris. this is real. and so it was very easy to get
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people to sign onto join this call. we had the dude. we had luke sky walker. we had samwise gamgee also known as rudy if you're from the midwest. we had olaf. doesn't get any whiter than that. harris is a woman. more specifically, a black woman and black women have been showing up to elect progressive white dudes for generations. it is time we show up for them. >> it has been described some of these calls have been groups dragging themselves for the first 20 or 30 minutes between moving onto the other parts of the program and there is for some folks. when we talk about race and ethnicity in america, we talk as though it is only all of the groups that have traditionally been disenfranchised.
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the emerging majority. what do you say to those folks who might have heard white dudes for anyone? >> i was one of them. i don't know, this feels so strange joining a call that has white dudes. i tell you what, these women started this movement, it is vital we as white men show our faces. standing shoulder to shoulder with them over the next 98 days showing them that we are ready for kamala. the only reason they think we aren't is because of white dudes and that breaks my heart. over the next 98 days it is incredibly important that we phone bank. knock on doors. that we stand next to these leaders. these black women and women who have been the forefront of
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progressive movement for so long. to show them that we have their back and we are not going back. >> what do you do next? >> we are trying to raise money for vice president harris. we are trying to get folk to sign up to volunteer. folks can go to whitedudes for harris.com and do both of those things. this is not the last you will see. we are not going to seed white men to the maga republicans anymore. >> thank you both so much for joining us tonight. and that is our show for the evening. now it is time for the last word with jonathan capehart who is in for lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening. you know as someone married to a white dude, a gay white dude, i think it is just terrific
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