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president? simone biles leading team usa to gold in the women's team competition. >> the fans have dubbed clark kent, stephen nedoroscik showing his superpowers . she was always of indian heritage and she was only promoting indian heritage, i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black. >> i do hope you will can reconsider meet me on the stage because the saying goes, if e you've got something to say, say it to my face. a beautiful and emotional

homecoming this week for three american citizens detained for years in russia. on thursday night, their families, along with president joe biden and vice president kamala harris greeted evan gershkovich, paul whelan, alsu kurmasheva, who were among the 23 people freed who are being held in seven countries and a historic prisoner exchange with moscow. their return was the result of r several years of international diplomacy that included vice president harris herself, personally meeting with world allies to help lobby their support. the moment was a highlight for harris and her presidential campaign, as the momentum for candidacy barreled into yet another blockbuster week. the harris campaign announcing, and astounding 310 -- $310 million raised in july, two n thirds came from first time

donors with 94% of the donations being under $200. and the week ended with kamala harris crossing the delegate threshold to secure the democratic presidential nomination ahead of the virtual on lcall that will close monday. next up, the big reveal of her running mate, with no campaign event scheduled for this weekend, harris is reportedly meeting face-to-face with some of the top contenders to fill out her ticket. congresswoman, as always it's an honor to have you, i wanted to speak to you about your thoughts on the historic and emotional moment thursday night, president biden, bringing americans home? >> it's such a testament to the power of diplomacy, and i commend president biden and vice president harris for making it possible. it was a beautiful and w emotional thing to see that reunion. >> so congresswoman, you also

spent some time last week in pennsylvania, stumping for vice president harris, it's a battleground state that could be key to winning the white house in november. you spoke about quote, a truly just america that resonated with me. do the voters that you met with and spoke to on the ground, do they also believe in the power of their vote? >> absolutely. the momentum, the excitement, is palpable on the ground, people from every walk of life, i have every confidence in her ability to tilt the coalition necessary to ensure that we are successful in november. abortion is on the ballot across the country and pennsylvania is no exception, and as the chair of the abortion rights task force, i can say vice president harris has been full throated and consistent and in her advocacy,s she's been a champion for accessible birth control and more.

i spoke with young people, 18 to 35, who said they love that she is future focused and they feel more helpful -- hopeful than they have in a long time. i spoke -- >> oh, i think i think we might have lost her, we have tech gremlins, we have lost congresswoman presley and when we get her back up, we will bring her back into the conversation but in the meantime, to join me for more on this conversation, i will s bring in susan percy, and nbc news political analyst. thank you for joining us early but it's always good to see you. listen vice president harris, she's off the campaign trail reportedly meeting with several of her candidates, there's

speculation of course all around, who the pic might be, but i wanted to get your opinion. who do you think brings the most to the ticket? >> i think it comes down to two folks, governor shapiro out of g pennsylvania and senator mark kelly from arizona. shapiro has a 61% favorability rating in his state which is skyhigh but i think he could be limited as far as his story going kind of national whereas, senator kelly, out of arizona, only has 11 electoral votes, but, he's a border state, he's got a great story to tell about his career that is very inspirational to a lot of americans. he was a combat pilot, he was in astronaut, he and his wife, what they went through when

gabby giffords was shot, they created a foundation for gun safety and now he is a senator. i know there's a question about, should we pick a senator because of how slim the margins are in the senate but i think e he could really, he is who i'm leaning towards, who can bring it all together for her. >> i'm pleased to say that we have congresswoman presley back with us and i'm happy to have both of you. congresswoman, i did want to play sound for you, we saw donald trump in chicago at the annual meeting and he resorted to old tired racist attacks while he was there, take a quick listen. >> i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black. i don't know, is she indian or issue black. because she was indian all the way and all of a sudden, she made a turn and she became a black person. >> i mean, congresswoman, you turn black? it's, it's offensive and i

guess the question for you i have is this, trump ran on the obama birth or conspiracy, some people running with that when it came to wanting to ascribe to that type of racist concept as well, does this work, l, though? it's red meat for the republican party but when he does something like this, how does this not totally alienate not only minorities, not just blacks by the way, let's be clear, minorities, as well as women? >> well, it's deeply offensive a but predictable. it's a play from a tired handbook but they are desperate. kamala harris has been a woman of color her entire life, these racist tropes and sexist tropes , that's not a new experience for her, and so, we are going to keep doing what we need to do to build this broad and diverse coalition to ensure that we are successful in

november. donald trump, just like kamala harris has always been a woman of color, he's always been a bigot and a racist, discriminating against black tenants as a landlord, i could go on, he is in x essential threat to every person that calls this country home and ll that is why project 2025 is so frightening because it is institutionalized trump-ism and it speaks to what would happen with another trump white house and a weaponized department of justice and a weaponized trump supreme court. so i'm going to stay on my black job, and do everything in my power to ensure that since donald keeps mispronouncing her name, if you can't get kamala right, soon enough, she will be madam president. >> congressman, i want to stick with you on this project 2025 thing.

the policy director of project i 2025 announcing he is stepping down but look, it's clear, the insult to americans intelligence is to think that the attempts by trump, vance and the republican platform to distance themselves from project 2025, if it means anything, you are one of the founders of the stopped project 2025 task force. your thoughts on this idea that they are trying this. >> the american people see right through this, i heard this on the ground when i was in pennsylvania stumping for the vice president. you know, project 2025 was written by trump allies for a trump white house to advance a trump agenda which is meant to take us backwards. pennsylvanians say they think that kamala will take us into the future. project 2025 aims to control every aspect of people's lives.

it was incredible to see the di momentum on the ground, talking to people who were coming back from doorknocking and many republicans in pennsylvania said they plan to vote for kamala, so they are very clear that she is future focused and about preserving the freedoms that we have gained and building upon them while project 2025 which is a policy plan, a transition plan, a far right manifesto that we have to do everything possible to ensure that it is not manifest. when i say taking us back i mean all the way to jim crow and then some. >> susan, donald trump is going to do a rally in jordan with jd vance, does he dump vance? >> i don't think so. first of all, that would require him admitting that he made a mistake in choosing him which we know donald trump does not admit that he has ever made a mistake but the second thing

is, vance, he's got to keep going through it, and i think , at the end of the day, he will just, he will just do what he has to, but i think he has taken a few lumps on the head and will downplay his role in the campaign. >> yeah, susan, we just found out from kamala harris and her campaign team, they have basically said donald trump is running scared, he's chicken, he will not meet her on a previously agreed debate stage. susan, this idea that he wants to go to trump friendly grounds of fox and he will do it before some huge live kind of audience, i mean what is the idea of the fact that he actually won't meet kamala where he agreed to meet her before? >> he is scared of her, that's why his attacks on her are basically hateful and mean, there's no substance to anything he has to say about the vice president, and let's not forget, now we are going to have a candidate up there, we will see two people debating and i do believe she will

debate him even if it means going to fox. but, she's going to present a case and donald trump is going to be left wandering off and not finishing his sentences and talking about sharks and boats n and who knows what, and i think he is afraid of that comparison, even if they both agree to a fox debate, i still think he says at the end of the day, i'm a no-show. >> congresswoman, if i'm kamalar harris, i say exactly what she's done, meet me at the one you when you said you would. >> we have someone like harris father who was very trump er family giving them the softballs for him to answer any still dug himself into a whole. do you think there will be a fox host a debate between ho harris and trump? >> i won't speculate on that but i will say kamala harris can debate donald trump anywhere

or anytime, he is no match for her intellect and her preparedness for her vision for a more just america and the issue of reproductive freedom, abortion access and maternal justice, that is a winning ic issue. dads are organizing on behalf of their daughters, women are organizing, young people are organizing, and donald trump and project 2025 are active in an extremist march towards a ban on abortion which is a io nation of forced birth, what could be more violent than d that. he is no match for kamala and we are going to go out here and do our best to ensure that we are successful in november. >> thanks to both of you for going with the flow at the beginning of the show. i appreciate it. thank you so much. and still to come, florida forecast the chair of florida

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what's your first thought when you think of florida? disney world, florida man? let me add one more thing, testing ground for project 2025. in recent years the florida governor has enacted the unconstitutional stop woke act which limits discussions of race, gender and other dei topics in the classroom and adds strict new regulations on unions and a signed into law a measure that erases all mentions of climate change from state statutes and has enacted a six week abortion ban. all of that might sound familiar because it echoes the heritage foundation's project 2025 which among other things calls for ending diversity, equity and inclusion efforts in the workplace and across education limiting worker rights to organized unions and enacting a national abortion ban. trump has disavowed any links to project 2025 but this is also the man who says that he didn't know kamala harris was black so -- joining me now nikki free, chair of the democratic party. frankly it's terrifying how

much project 2025 echoes ron desantis and his movements in florida, do you think our state was a testing ground for this extremist plan? >> so good to see you. and absolutely. i've been saying that for years about the extremism that has come from ron desantis. it started as consolidation of power underneath him stripping rights from the cabinet to the legislature to the judicial and enacting all of those policies you just went through. so florida has been the lab rat of the heritage foundation to such a point that in project 25 which is trump's project 2025, even references ron desantis throughout the 900 pages including mentioning all of those policies that you are alluding to but it's also why we are in a moment in the state of florida and you are seeing

the irruption of energy and momentum and excitement for harris, because ron desantis and these extreme policies that are now all throughout project 2025, they have been, you know, we have been suppressed so much and he's been standing on our next and our backs and that's why you are seeing all of this energy. people are tired of the chaos, rhonda try taking these policies across the country for his presidential run and americans rejected that just like they are doing with project 2025 and donald trump. >> another thing that strikes me is if you don't care about the policies, maybe you care about your pocketbook for example a judge has entered a permanent injunction against desantis and part of the sop -- stop woke act to say it's illegal to try and prevent this idea of being able to limit dei and being able to talk about that in a workplace when it comes to training and those types of provisions, it's taxpayers money that goes to have to defend this litigation. it's taxpayers money that's being used to defend the legal

fees that come from ron desantis basically mobilizing the florida attorney general's office to do his bidding. the idea that you could look at florida and replicate that and the other states, that should have a chilling effect on the idea that trump being in the oval and having project 2025 be the blueprint for all states. >> katie, to your point, since ron desantis became governor and enacted all of these pieces of legislation, even after going after disney, to the decimation of public education, you have seen lawsuit after lawsuit that he is losing in the courts, even in court where there were judges appointed by

trump and those are taxpayer dollars that are not only having to pay for the attorneys fees because not only is it the attorney general's office but we have really high cost expensive attorneys that are representing the state of florida and even one of the hearings that happened this week that said this ban on the stop woke act, is actually going to have to pay the attorneys fees for the businesses that were suing, these are coming from supposedly the republican party's talk about conservatism and lowering the cost for people, but with us seeing all of this, from texas to martha's vineyard, moving the immigrants, we are still with these issues. we are seeing a huge impact on the people on our state and that's why you're seeing this momentum across the entire country, people don't want project 2025 and they don't want extremism and they are tired of the chaos and that's why you're seeing this momentum for kamala harris not just here in florida but across the country. even here in our state, since paris became the candidate, over 16,000 volunteers, all

across the state of florida that have been wanting to get involved in the campaign including over 300 people in matt gaetz district, we saw 500 golf carts last weekend in the villages which is historically a very red area, the energy on the ground is palpable because of this oppression that we've seen in the state of lord and the country is already rejecting ron's blueprint for america and they will do the same thing for trump. >> we also have constitutional right to an abortion on the ballot in november, in a state like florida, even though we have florida governor desantis. i want to give you your flowers as we say goodbye to you, this is happening under your tenure as the chair of the order democratic party so congratulations on that and keep on fighting. it's good to see you, my friend.

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the battle against authoritarianism continues abroad and at home. on thursday, the secretary of state coming out against venezuelan president madero saying the authoritarian incumbent leader lost the election last week despite the electoral body that is stacked with regime allies claiming other way. -- otherwise. as the fight for democracy in venezuela intensifies, trump is wrapping up his authoritarian rhetoric. >> and again, christians, get out and vote! just this time. you won't have

to do it anymore, four more years, you know what? it'll be fixed, it'll be fine. you won't have to wait -- vote anymore my beautiful christians. >> and then it stops and he says i'm not a christian. ruth, i wanted to have you on for this conversation, i, being based in florida, i'm close to venezuela but also close to venezuelans and i care about what happens internationally but also the parallels are so striking and i wanted to talk to you about this. the trump campaign tried to distance itself from project 25 but whether it's that or agenda 47, the platform is focused on centralizing all power under the presidency which would be trump at how good of a job is

the republican party doing at hiding their end goal when you have trump at a rally telling christians, if he wins, they never have to vote anymore? >> yeah, they can try and they have all the people in suits who are trying to act as though kevin roberts of heritage, as though they are conservatives, and trump goes and undoes all of their you know, proclamations and their attempt to hoodwink us by speaking the autocratic truth which is that you know, dictators and others are always wanting to relieve the populations of the burden of voting and what stood out to me about that speech is that he presented voting as something that is unwanted, a burden he will relieve them of and that is the scariest thing of all that he will fix the system so they can just let him decide everything. and he has been, you know, leading people up to this for

almost 10 years by conditioning them to see elections as something that are so uh -- unreliable and corrupt that they are not a good way to choose leaders. you can track this from 2016 and here we have the logical conclusion where he is coming out and saying you won't even need to vote anymore because it'll all be fixed. >> ruth, to take it to its next logical step, we look at venezuela for example, those contacted -- contested elections it is echoing what we saw on january 6th. the concern is if trump gets back into the oval, how likely is it that he's just not going to leave after a second term. he will change the laws so he doesn't have to leave the oval. >> very likely because the thing about autocrats is you know they are very corrupt and those who have indictments or other legal problems, they need to get back into power and we saw this with benjamin netanyahu, they need to fix the system as benjamin netanyahu tried to do, those who are

sitting authoritarians like maduro, they refused to leave. in venezuela, what is interesting is this just wasn't a referendum on madero, it's also on the row in that job is brought to venezuela who he made venezuela almost into a failed state because of his corruption, and there's so much at stake for these autocrats to stay in power because the institutions are entrenched with cronies and there's also all of these relations that maduro and chavez before him had with foreign autocrats. there's too much at risk to give up so the solution is to just say well, i won no matter what the actual results were. >> ruth, you know, history, past can be prologue, we look at mussolini for example, and we have to bring up hitler as well. those are examples of dictators, autocrats that are in power and they figure out

ways to change the laws and change the policies, you know, make it so that they punish, sometimes even kill, opposition, in order to secure their continued rain over a particular country. i mean some people look at us and say, you are being hyperbolic when you try to draw these analogies and yet the word unprecedented is used all of the time to talk about what we've seen since donald trump made it into the white house. >> yeah, and we've had a special you know, problem, thinking it can't happen here because of, you know we have the stool history, we relieve other people of their freedoms like in chile, you know in 2016 when i started writing about trump, some of the first people

i heard from were people who had immigrated here and they said no, this can't be happening here. this is the place to freedom. so it's taken a long time for americans to feel that actually, this can happen here and trump has shown us the way and so i hope people are paying attention now when he talks about, there's no need to vote anymore, it doesn't get clearer than that. >> and ruth, i wanted to get your thoughts, you wrote on your sub stack which i encourage everyone to read you said every time they were shown to us behind bars, it was putin telling us, these are my bodies and i will show you my power through their decline. how critical is it to have a president who not only understands foreign diplomacy and international relations but can stand against somebody like putin? >> with all of the progress

that autocrats have made and the way that autocrats are now aligning openly with each other and helping each other, it's more important than ever to have a united states president who can stand up to this because we see from the journalists who were just released that autocrats will use them as pawns, they will be all too happy to torture us with visions of our citizens behind bars, growing thinner and losing hair and all of this, and we won't stop until we create the conditions for autocracy to fail by standing up for democracy in the world. >> jailing journalists and political opponents, that's what you have to look forward to come even here in the united states. thank you for joining me for this important conversation. >> it's a pleasure. coming up next, dumping the

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another attack on women's reproductive rights. on monday, i was highly restrictive abortion law went into effect getting most of brexit -- abortions after six weeks of pregnancy before many women even know they are pregnant. iowa is now one of four states that dance abortion after six weeks with 14 states that have near-total bands at all stages. and these restrictions could be just the beginning of donald trump returns to the white house. throughout project 2025, the forward says in part, the dobbs decision is just the beginning. conservatives should push as hard as possible to protect the unborn in every jurisdiction in america. joining me is the president of reproductive freedom for all, many, it's great to see you. this is the plan for the next

conservative administration, but project 2025 attacks reproductive rights in a number of ways including rejecting the idea that abortion is healthcare. i want to know from you, what you think is the most egregious attack on reproductive rights that we are seeing in the blueprint? >> i mean, there's so much, we put up a new webpage, documenting and highlighting it and we are promoting it on social, so check it out, if you can. there are some things that are really outrageous and some things that are underlining dangers. roger severino who was in trump's ag chest, is one of the main authors of project 2025, and he proposes changing hhs to

the department of life, so that is a good example of some of the crazy that's in project 2025 but more nefarious is what you are seeing in the republican platform and what you see throughout project 2025 are winks and nods to the idea of personhood, the idea that fertilized eggs are people and this is important because this is the kind of stuff, this is the root cause, the root basis for attacks on birth control, ivf, and abortion, plan b, you know, the next day emergency pill. the ideological underpinning of all of these attacks is this concept that life begins at fertilization point. and that might sound wonky and hard to follow but when you understand that that is what they are going for, it is throughout project 2025, so we know this document is incredibly dangerous but we also know from the past trump administration, who wrote this document, a lot

of what is in there are things they've already tried to do and republican allies have already tried to do in congress. so they can't run away from it and that is why you are seeing so many unforced errors by this campaign right now. >> minnie , they've made this big thing about the fact that the policy directory stepping down but this guy, kevin roberts is the president, he has written a new book that jd vance wrote the forward for and he says abortion and ivf are examples of quote, anti-family culture. i mean, minnie, republicans have this perverse obsession with disrupting and controlling women's reproductive rights. >> it's fascinating because you watch jd vance fumbling the last couple of weeks talking about family, talking about you know, childless cat ladies but

it's funny, and we can mock him but again, the extremist stuff is just masking and underlying ideology which is they believe out of a concept of power and control that women should be back at home, having babies and that sex should only be for procreation. there are lots of documented evidence of heritage foundation and other organizations affiliated with project 2025 talking about this including mr. roberts, and jd vance and that we should only be looking at reproductive health care from the concept of expanding families and frankly let's be clear, white families. so all of these attacks on abortion, all of these attacks in the name of family, are actually about power and control, who gets to have families in this country and who gets to really control our

reproductive health but also, our access to the economy, you know, i've talked about this with you before, it was only my mother's generation that have access to renting apartments on their own or credit cards, we still don't have equal pay so we are only a generation away from some really profound moments in our history that have allowed women to have equal rights, the advent of the birth control pill and the advent of abortion access work critical catalysts in our freedoms but also for the entire country, and they want to roll that back. that's important for us to remember, that is the goal and that is why we talk about this issue as a fundamental freedom. >> and i'm so grateful minnie, that you brought up the fact that there's an economic impact not just on the woman and the family but also on americans in general, it's not just exclusive to that, i have to say goodbye but i have to bring this up, jd vance voted against the right to ivf act.

can't ever figure them out, they want you to have the families but they don't want you to have access. thank you for breaking down. earlier donald trump opposed to debate kamala harris on fox news declining the abc debate that he agreed to debate when joe biden was the nominee, moments ago harris responded saying quote, it's interesting how quote anytime anyplace becomes, quote, one specific time, one specific safe space. i'll be there on the september 10th like he agreed to. i hope to see him there.

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specifically, 51% of the american population, women more specifically are registered to vote at higher rates than men and turn out to vote more than eligible they'll voters. with reproductive rights on the ballot, the women vote, it can usher in the first woman president of the united states. so when women vote, they can change the course of history and will they do so this time around? joining me is the executive director of super majority, an organization that focuses are making women the most powerful voting lock in the country. taylor, what is super majority's plan to get out the vote in november? >> the best question. we have a great plan. super majority is focused on growing and mobilizing the

millions of women across the country who will vote this november and specifically, we are focused on mobilizing 430,000 in frequent and nonvoting young women, they are the largest voting bloc, the largest voting bloc of the democratic party, 57% of biden voters were women and we deserve to be centered, prioritized you know, pandered to, if you will. we are the ones that are making these decisions, and the truth is, the fastest growing segment of the women's voting bloc is young women. they are the most potent political force in the country so the super majority is focused on increasing the dissipation of young voters, specifically in six states, turning out 430,000 in frequent voting women by having longform conversations, talking about our shared values and making sure they know that they are part of a super majority of women that if we vote together we have the power to pick our

elected officials and set their agenda. >> taylor, women are not a monolith, so i want to break down numbers and ask a question for example in 2016, 90% of black women voters supported biden along with almost 70% of its hispanic women, the data shows that 53% of white women voted for trump in 2020. i mean, what is super majority doing to educate and counteract this, how do you create the common cause when we have different interests and we come from different spaces? >> the short answer, the clear answer is values. we organize around a set of shared values. when you are seeing the success of things like abortion ballot measures in states like montana and ohio, in kansas, that are normally not thought of as blue or democratic strongholds, what you are seeing is a super majority of women voting together for a value of

freedom, the belief that we should be able to do whatever we want with our bodies. it is our decision. and so, when you organize around a set of shared values, you see there's a super majority of women who want a lot of the same things. we want it to be possible to make decisions about our bodies. we want gun violence prevention to be addressed. we want things like a national paid leave policy, we want childcare to be affordable. these are basic things that a super majority of americans and particularly, women, believe are true. if you organize around values, you can see a super majority of women coming together across identity, race, party affiliation, and that is what wins elections. the reason why we believe that young women are the most potent

political force in the country aned to be organized and treated as such, it's because, young women, millennial and gen z women, we are becoming more progressive as we age, not conservative. that's the first time that has happened in 100 years and gen z is extremely progressive. the reason why you have democratic leadership in the white house right now is because young women have turned out in full force and 2020, 2018, 2022, and gen z and young voters get a lot of credit for that but specifically young women who are creating that change and so this dichotomy, this narrative that young women or that white women are voting against their interest, it is true that for young white women, we are voting our interest and we believe that young women are the potential to have the potential to organize and win this election.

>> i'll say this, as somebody who's got a few years on you, there's one thing and it's not voting gender politics, there's one thing that is exciting is the prospect of having our first female president of the united states in the oval office and we could see that with kamala harris. thank you for being here, i appreciate it. i want to thank all of you for joining us, you can catch me back here next saturday at noon eastern. you can also catch clips of the show on youtube but listen, you can listen to every episode of the katie phang show as a podcast for free. it scan the qr code on your screen to follow but don't go anywhere, msnbc reports is coming up next. up next this is a hot flash. but this is a not flash. for moderate to severe vasomotor symptoms due to menopause...

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