welcome back to the weekend everybody, the director of donald trump's project 2025, paul vance is stepping down, the trump campaign is distancing itself from the 900 page manifesto. but let's be clear, folks, get that coffee cup and get in close. this is not the end of project 2025, okay? don't get that lifted because it is in. the heritage foundation president said online that the groups plans are still running on a timeline they laid out more than two years ago. and that, quote, project 2025 will continue our efforts. so that's it, folks, the trump campaign knows that project 2025 is toxic for trump's

brand. it's not working the way they thought it was going to work. and they wanted to go away, so they are doing the old bait and switch thing oh no, we are firing people, we are not doing this but the people who were supposed to be let go were let go because that was part of the plan but it's not going anywhere and we will keep reminding everyone including the former president of all of that. joining us now is legal analyst joyce vance, a former u.s. attorney and cohost of the sisters-in-law podcast and also with us is cory schneider, author of the new book, the president and the people, five leaders who threatened democracy and citizens who fought to defend it. welcome to you both. >> nothing to me says that you

are very knowledgeable of what is happening and you are in fact in charge of the people over at project 2025 and can dictate that by literally saying, people need to go and this needs to stop at the policy is done. one of the pillars is policy, that's the 900 page document, that's why the policy man is stepping down because the policy is done, number 2, is the personnel, that's the database that allows the candidates to build professional files, so if donald trump is elected, this is where the pull of government officials will be sourced from and vance has said the database has grown to thousands of applicants. number 4, is the playbook okay? drafting transition plans, they will move out upon the presidents utterance, so help me god, cory, come on now, the

plan is already in place and it is currently being orchestrated as we sit here, which is why i frankly think is one of the reasons this election is so important because trend -- project 2025, this is what they are planning if trump gets back into the white house. >> it's not just project 2025, the general philosophy, during his presidency, members of the federal government stuck up for the law and offended expertise, and they stopped him in crucial moments for instance in his plot to undermine the election, and what he sees now is how to

get past that, how to govern as an authoritarian and what that means is complete control over the bureaucracy. and this is a roadmap in how to control the bureaucracy because it gives him a sense of the bureaucracy and it's part of a larger plan to be able to hire and fire at will so he doesn't want people who are going to honor their oath, he wants loyalty to him, that's how an authoritarian governs. think about the environmental protection agency, and that agency you are charged with enforcing the clean water act, clean air act, and he doesn't want that, he wants loyalty to him and so he would fire i take it, anyone who tried to honor the law over him and let's get down to brass tacks, it's about the department of justice because that's where employees, they come back and they say no, we are not going to go along with this and what would happen to such people? they would face firing under his plan, that's evident for project 2025 and it's evident

from what he's told us all along. >> so joyce, you know, legal antenna you know, it's like my favorite martian, it's like constantly up in the air, over not just seen happening, this legal carousel that we've been involved in but now you have what is projected to be a dismantling of the department of justice in such a way of 2025 to make it a subsidiary of the executive branch. how do you see, from your colleagues, inside the building right now, putting up safeguards against that? are there concerns within doj and some of the other alphabet soup agencies that touch on justice

and national security, who are concerned about what is happening here because i know, you know, they've got to be, given what we've read and what is laid out in this 900 page manifesto. >> there are a lot of concerns, there is widespread awareness of project 2025, as you say, my spidey sense started tingling last november and i've been reading through the 900 page document and writing about it ever since and to confirm the place that you all started out in, the notion that it's not going away just because donald trump has publicly disavowed it, you know, the website is still there, you can look for project 2025 online and find the whole thing still there, it didn't come down but there's a

new addition in the last couple of weeks, since the trump disavowal arose and it's called the truth about project 2025, and it's pretty chilling, it's like grandpa language telling you know, there's nothing to worry about, this is all for your own good and when you dig deeper, you see it's not really for your own good, it's measures to try to control climate change, it's the end of the department of education. at the end a lot to a lot of the programs that support civil rights and one of the worst parts is the notion of taking the civil service which has always been this protected, professional core of federal agency employees, experts, scientists, who do the work, that we need to keep us safe and keep our communities moving and to make them vulnerable to firing if they don't pass the loyalty test to donald trump. and maybe it's not donald trump, right, because project 2025 is written for the quote, next conservative president and if trump wins, a heartbeat away from him is jd vance, who we all know is a supporter of project 25. he is writing the introduction to the president of the author

of the heritage foundation's book. this is the policy of the new administration. this notion that you could convert career civil servants to what is called schedule f employees and fire them if they are not sufficiently loyal to trump, is something that has to be raising eyebrows inside all of the agencies but especially the justice department, where there is a tradition that says if you are instructed to do something, that you believe you are not permitted to do, you can do a couple of things, first, you could go to your boss or supervisor and say i can't work on this case anymore and we saw people do that during the trump administration. when bill bar changed plea agreements for trump's cronies, people stepped down inside of the leadership of the voting rights section but then you resign, then you just stand up and maybe you stand up as a group, we also saw that at the

end of the trump administration, everybody will resign if they replace the leadership at doj with some of trump's new folks and this is the sort of thing that trump's project 2025 and i call it trump's project 2025 because he is a proponent of this schedule f sort of work. this is designed to strip out that layer of federal employees. >> joyce mentioned it, we should put it on the screen, nbc news obtained the forward to the new book, don's early light and vance rights, the heritage foundation isn't some random outpost on capitol hill. it's the most and the mitchell ideas from ronald reagan to donald trump. we will come back to you but first, folks, jd vance and is very weird introduction to the campaign trail and later, north carolina governor roy cooper joined the conversation. you are watching the weekend on

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it seems the trump campaign did not vet jd vance very well since he was announced, his past comments have come back to haunt him and donald trump like his support for a national abortion ban and his obsession with giving childless adults a

lesser voice in society. the harris campaign is taking note and making sure her vetting process ends with a different result. joining us now is congressman lance from ohio. congressman -- >> share with us, congressman, what do ohio voters know that the rest of the sono because y'all voted for him, number 1, and number 2, now everybody is like oops, my bad. >> we know him particularly well in southwest ohio, vance and i both grew up in a county. he lives in cincinnati where i live and we both ran in 2022. i ran on being normal and pragmatic and bipartisan and strengthening our democracy,

restoring freedoms vance, the exact opposite. he ran on this you know more chaos and extremism and far, far right craziness and was a big supporter of the big lie. he's all in on restricting access to reproductive freedom. he's all in on these tax giveaways to billionaires at our expense, and i won our congressional district by 5 to 6 points, which is a competitive 50-50 districts. vance lost it by almost 9. so at least in southwest ohio, we know him well and you know, as i've been saying, it's not everyday that one of your constituents runs for vice president but you hope that it somebody that shares your values and he just doesn't. >> i mean, it is, there are

countless examples but as the olympics are actually happening as we speak here, everyone, americans have been tuned in, rooting for americans, rooting for women's gymnastics, and then you've got jd vance, on fox and this is what he said in 2021 about symone biles he was referring to the tokyo games when he said this, when symone biles stepped back for mental health reasons, take a listen. >> what i find so weird about this and it reflects more on the media than it does on symone biles is that we try to turn a very tragic moment, symone biles quitting the olympic team into this act of heroism and i think it reflects pretty poorly on our therapeutic society that we try to praise people not for moments of strength not for moments of heroism but for their weakest moments. >> it's like, so many things

just do not age well, this clip is one of them. but every clip, every interview that i have read or listened to, he always has these existential like lofty ideas about society and life and women, right, and i am just wondering as someone who again, you know jd vance fairly well, do you think he is a true believer in some of these things because i think he is but i don't know him. it seems that he's a true believer or is he someone that goes with the flow in the moment because he just wants to get to this ultimate thing and right now, this is winning the election. >> i suspect it's a little bit of both. i think he believes some of this stuff enough to talk about it the way he does but it doesn't really matter. what matters most to him is the same as with trump. it's power and wealth and fame

and you know, they will get it however they can. let me be clear about symone biles, symone biles is an american hero, and icon and one of the great stories of this moment where we are lifting up our athletes but appreciating that they are human and you know, in her case, she needed the time and she took that time and came back and has won all of these medals, you know, it's just a remarkable story and a good example of hey, if you're not doing great , you know, take some time, do a little self- care, which quite frankly, would have been very helpful for jd vance and trump because they are taking their cruelty and this chaos out on the rest of us. >> it's interesting, congressman, given everything that we have learned over the last few years, january 6th, the events that led up to the

event. i always look for, you know, people who know you and people who understand what your game is to talk about you and one of those individuals, the editor of national review. noted recently, he's known mr. vance for years and he goes, he says, cautions that little about the policy outcomes inside any trump white house could be predicted with certainty given the man in charge. but he, this national review editor was confident that mr. vance was, quote, not going to be the guy to say i'm not sure that we really have the power to do that. what is your take away when you hear that about jd vance? >> i just call him mr. vance, it's just easier that way. i think that's exactly right, there is no restraint there. you see that as rhetoric and in

the policies that he supports. the same is true for trump by the way, they represent a chaos and extremism and cruelty, and for vance, it is, it is next level. but for trump it's next level, too, the fact that we are talking about somebody like vance, it only demonstrates just how far he is, relative to everybody else. and this is the problem. i represent, the district is one part democrat and one part independent and one part republican. and for the most part we are normal. we have all of these folks who are frustrated by this and they want to turn the

page and they don't want to keep doing this. they want to stop having to worry about their politicians and they just want elected officials who worry about them and with kamala harris and whoever she chooses, because you know, i think she is sitting down with josh shapiro tim walz and mark kelly today, you have a path to a normal kind of politics where people are not chaotic, they just do their jobs, they are pragmatic, they are reliable, they are bipartisan and they are committed to our democracy and our freedoms and an economy that works for working people and not billionaires. so the contrast couldn't be more significant and i think the vast majority of voters wanted that change and they are going to get that and we can turn the page on this nonsense. >> a normal kind of politics. we long for it. congressman, thank you for being with us this morning. coming up next, we have

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the harris campaign is focused on flipping north carolina this november. we talked about it earlier. the vice president will be in raleigh with her soon to be announced running mate this week. north carolina governor roy cooper removed his name from consideration, telling politico he made the decision in part because quote, the lieutenant governor could try and seize power temporarily whenever cooper was out of the state campaigning with harris. here's why robinson taking power would be so problematic.

>> there's no reason anybody anywhere in america should be telling any child about homosexuality, any of that filth and yes, i called itself. >> abortion in this country is not about protecting the lives of mothers. it's about killing a child because you weren't responsible enough to keep your skirt down. >> i want to go back to the america where women couldn't vote. >> if i had all the power right now. we could pass a bill that says you can't have an abortion in north carolina for any reason. >> okay, joining us now is north carolina governor roy cooper. good to see you, sir. >> governor, after seeing these clips, people will understand your decision. i mean, we read to the politico conversation that you had but i'm wondering if you could just expand upon this even more. so it is true that you actively

told the harris team you did not want to be bedded for reasons of the clips we just saw? >> that was part of the reason and i'm sorry i can't be there in person. it's great being around the table but this is the next best way. look, it's important for me to note, i am 100% behind kamala harris. i have known her since we were attorneys general. she put violent criminals behind bars, she stood up to the big banks and big pharma. i worked with her when she was in the united states senate, we would often talk about judges from north carolina and she's been to north carolina 15 times as vice president. she has to win and we will do everything we can to win north carolina. yes, i did let the harris campaign know early in the process that this was just not the right time for me or my state. we have one of these archaic

constitutional provisions, i call them wagon wheel provisions where when the governor leaves the state, the constitution says the lieutenant governor becomes the governor. now there have been a number of court cases across the country in states that have had similar provisions. you would know why you would need it, 150 years ago but those courts have ruled that now with modern technology, with the government being able to stay in touch, that is not what it means and when you think about it, it doesn't make sense, if i'm testifying in front of congress in washington or i'm recruiting a business in another state or another country, or i'm at in in-laws funeral out of state, it doesn't make any sense that the lieutenant governor would take over but when i was in japan on

a trip, the lieutenant governor held a press conference, signed a proclamation honoring the state of israel, i guess, to make up for his anti-semitic comments and denying the holocaust but we believe that it was quite possible that if i were on the ticket as vice president, he could be doing something every week. and he may or may not be successful in doing it, but he would certainly cause a distraction that would be magnified times 10 because of what is happening at the presidential level. so that was certainly part of the reason i did that. another reason is that she has a wealth of candidates from which to choose. i know the four governors now that are under consideration . each one of them brings amazing strengths and would be extraordinary serving as a vice president to her. i know she will be choosing in a couple of days. we are going to welcome them to

raleigh or maybe chapel hill, but welcome them to north carolina on thursday of next week. with a big rally kickoff, winning north carolina, i've got that 2008 field, we won north carolina for barack obama and i have that same feeling now. we are going to really get to work here. >> governor i appreciate your first point about being out of the country or out of the state and what that means. we have a similar provision in maryland, i was always inviting the governor to take a trip, so he could go anywhere he wanted to. now is the time to explore america and the world, i've got you back here. >> i was going to ask you about that, michael, i was and i decided i was not going to because i wasn't going to put you on the spot but now that you brought it up. >> but how unusual, i think it's an important point though,

because michael, were you holding press conferences -- >> no, i was doing the work that the governor allowed me to do because in maryland, as is probably in other states, north carolina, he's elected separately but we serve at the pleasure of the governor. so you have your assignments, you have the things you are responsible for and you don't go rogue on the leadership but because you have the situation in your state like in virginia for example where the lieutenant governor run separately from the governor, you can have the sort of mixed tickets where you have a republican or democratic governor and the opposite for lieutenant governor. but i do want to make a quick point because i do want to move off of the lieutenant governor for a second because i think what is happening in north carolina is important but i do think it is important, to your concern that you have someone who has said as part of a sunday sermon in a church that

some folks need killing, and church, and all these christians, applauding him, right, y'all remember this little thing called the sixth commandment, right, mr. robinson, you know what that is, don't you? so let's understand why the governor has the kind of concern he has here. so setting that aside for a moment, governor, north carolina, i think, is a state that is in play and it's been in play for a while, not just in the 2008 cycle but there's a trend line that starts in virginia and comes down into north carolina and south carolina and now we see it playing out in georgia and elsewhere in the south. the democrats have made important strides with governors and lieutenant governors and state reps like yourself who understand exactly what governing principles mean, you are a popular governor, we

see in georgia. the republican governor there is supported by democrats because in some instances, he's been good for some of the issues that they think are important. >> i will hold my tongue because governor cooper is sitting here. >> i know that is not true across the board but what i'm saying is, there are governors in states where they are serving and they can make a big difference and in north carolina, the democrats have made a big difference in a once violently read -- red state. >> we are very close to the people who make things happen unlike a legislature or the congress where they just yell back and forth, and things really get done. governors have to do that. and here in north carolina, we've been able to leverage a

lot, working with the biden/harris administration. we've been able to expand medicaid, we've got about 513,000 more people who now have health insurance for the first time and the biden/harris administration gave us a bonus for doing that, we were finally able to assemble coalitions across the state, the republicans and the democrats, tough on crime sheriffs, chambers of congress, working people needed health insurance so we were able to get that done. we are now working on getting rid of medical debt, the vice president and i are working on leveraging medicaid funds with hospitals to erase medical debt. we have about 2 million people in north carolina owing about $4 billion in medical care. so things are getting done. and i think that with this race this november, that we can leverage a lot of that in the third fastest growing state in the country, in a state which was donald trump's closest win,

he only won by 1.3%. we had people moving into north carolina from the technology center -- sector, aerospace sector, the data shows that we can flip north carolina for the democrats. and we were excited about that opportunity and it's clear that the hairs campaign believes that, too, because of all the swing states where she's going next week, this is the one state that biden/harris lost, it was the closest loss, the rest of the states which they won, and we are ready to engage our young people, they are excited for this. we just got to keep the fever

pitch and continue to run through the tape here, i said this on politico, you probably heard it but i'm a sports guy, it's like we were 12 points down and we made a big run and we caught up and we have tied the score and now we've got to take it over the finish line because sometimes people celebrate too early and people are really happy about kamala harris, as our candidate, but we cannot get overconfident because this race can go either way. it's a 50-50 race. it's a turnout race. we've got to get our people excited and got to get our people to the polls. kamala harris is getting people excited, we just got to execute now. >> people should know that governor cooper has been an elected official since 1986 and he has not lost a race since he's been on the ballot so he knows a little something about turning out folks in north carolina. governor, we appreciate your time. there is a governors race in north carolina, it's on the ballot and we hope to have you back at the table very soon. thank you so much. >> thanks, guys, have a great sunday.

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president biden is using the last six months of his presidency to push for major reforms to the supreme court. >> in recent years, extreme opinions have undermined long established civil rights protections. the court is mired in a crisis of ethics. these scandals involving the justices have caused public opinion to question the courts fairness and independence. they are essential to carrying out its mission of equal justice under the law. >> joyce vance and corey brett schneider are back with us.

the reforms are, no one is above the law amendment, justice term limits, the president would appoint a justice every two years. a binding code of ethics, mandates recusal from cases with conflicts of interest. joyce, what do you think about this push from the president on taking a direct aim at the supreme court and seeing what possibly could be done there because it is getting out of hand. >> look, passing any of these new measures would require, even if it didn't take constitutional amendment, majorities that don't exist in both houses of congress right now, but the important thing the president is doing and it's extremely important, if making

sure this conversation is front and center. we need these measures, it's unacceptable that the court does not have a binding code of conduct at this point in history so kudos to the president for making sure that he is setting the table for the next administration to get this across the finish line. >> so, i'm looking at how people feel about the court, corey, and you've got polling that shows public confidence the court is 42%, little to no confidence, that number feels like it is lower, to be honest. >> 42 seems high. >> but i will take it at face value for what it is. and i guess the point is, that number used to be 79%, who have confidence in the court. how do these reforms play into that, and what happens, do you think, if those reforms are rebuffed by republicans in the house or senate in the next term or the harris administration flounders in getting those reforms in place?

>> they are so crucial and they go to the heart of the matter which is not just the reversal of roe versus wade which is a huge deal and a huge problem, getting rid of our right to privacy, essentially, but even more than that, the court is supposed to be a check on the president and in the community decision, the supreme court says not only sitting president but former presidents can't be prosecuted essentially they are above the law. at the founding, patrick henry warned, he said look, a president is supposed to be checked but our system is weak when it comes to checking a president. the supreme court really want to be able to do it, congress won't able to do it, so much so that if you get a criminal president, the constitution assumes a good person in office. that person might actually crown themselves a monarch. that might have sounded paranoid before but now that we

have the combination of the threat to democracy that is donald trump and we also have a decision that says not only sitting presidents but former presidents cannot be prosecuted, the warning has come to life, so what the reforms do is they say if you are a former president and you committed a crime, you can be prosecutor and what the schumer bill says is that sitting presidents, if they commit crimes, that's when they are at their most dangerous, these crimes could destroy democracy, january 6th, for instance, what the bill would do and what we need to do is say if such a president, they can be stopped or indicted, the justice department has a policy that says the sitting presidents cannot be indicted, president biden should work to get rid of that policy, during the next era as i talk about in the book, the grand jury tried to indict nixon, they took a straw poll and some raised two hands

to emphasize that this president committed crimes, he should be treated like everyone else. they were persuaded to delay and the pardons stopped us from seeing nixon prosecuted and we have not recovered, and we have another one that we have seen, one that might be along the way. let me go back to the founding, george washington said in the second inaugural, i just took the oath of office, i have two reserve and protect the constitution but if i failed to do it, criticize me and if i really disregard the oath, subject me to constitutional punishment. that's what i would like right into say, subject me to criminal punishment. >> i will give the last word to you on that as someone who has spent a career within the justice department and various aspects, as i have talked to some legal scholars, one of the concerns is that donald trump has exposed the fractures and

fissures within our legal system, and frankly, how fragile in many respects, how unprepared the system has been to hold somebody like trump accountable and doing a wholesale change, like what corey just described, could potentially give license to a rogue president, to go after his political opponents in a way that they don't do now. what do you think? do you think there are some things that may be the justice department, there are changes that could be made prior to joe biden leaving office regardless of who wins the election? >> it's a great question. i mean what can you do to ensure that the rule of law survives a second, god for bid, trump term? because we will need that. the problem with trump and i know that we all know this but it bears repetition, is that he

has no regard for the rule of law, when he takes an oath of loyalty to the constitution, it's meaningless, so the problem is, where are the guardrails and something we learned about our institutions during trump's first presidency, is that the guardrails are the people in the institutions. that means at the justice department, it is the people who are willing to stand up and insist on doing the right thing. you know, during the mueller investigation, robert mueller, i think in some ways he did not appreciate that trump would not for instance obey court orders, richard nixon did that during watergate when he was ordered to turn over the tapes, he turned over the tapes. trump is an entirely different sort of figure. he is loyal to no one but himself, so formally, can doj do anything to prepare for trump, it's difficult when you have a supreme court that's willing to grant immunity but what you can do is put strong people in place who are willing

to stand up and do the right thing, federal judges like judge chutkan who yesterday was prepared to file three separate orders so that the election interference case could move forward. it's about people and to go full circle, that's why the core of project 2025 is about getting that objective core of professional civil servants. >> thank you both for hanging with us this sunday morning. we appreciate you. don't go anywhere because there's more ahead on the n the with t-mobile's reliable 5g business internet. employees get the information they need instantly. weekend. r-o-l-a-i-d-s rolaids' dual-active formula begins to neutralize acid on contact. r-o-l-a-i-d-s spells relief.

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symone is laughing at me folks, i'm letting you all know that. >> you know, we were chatting in the break about the senate and michael's like, i think the senate is, the senate is in play and i said you know, you are optimistic and more experienced than i but it is the senate, the house, its state legislators, it's the presidential enemy there's no better example than in north carolina where yes, north carolina could make a difference in the road to 274 the harris campaign, there's a governors race, lieutenant governor, the crazy man, and the senate seats. >> it's all a part of the storyline that is evolving over this election cycle, and look, we know where we were, six

weeks ago, where conversations about the senate and the house, i never bought the whole house thing, i can tell you, that's not how the process works but i get that democrats were itching that line out there like oh my god, joe biden will lose us the house, no he wasn't but anyway, the senate is a different conversation and so the reality now is with kamala harris at the top, yeah, does it raise up some flags on certain issues that republicans are going to raise in some states? sure, but you've got someone who can go battle those opposition points, head-to-head and cabinets now feel reinforced to do the same, they're not going to shy away from the fight and give up the ground and that's what makes this race exciting. one final point, y'all, i think the country needs to come to a decision about this divided government thing because that

ain't working, so you only to make up your mind what you want and what you don't want. but divided government it works on paper only, they are nice words but at the end of the day, you need to trust the people you elect to do the job and if they don't then you make that change but this idea well we are going to put republicans over here and democrats over there -- >> a republican governor and the democratic, yeah, at the federal level, we've had 20+ years of this. >> it seems like we need some reforms. folks, don't go anywhere because we have more ahead and not just us, we will talk all things 2024. we will be right back.

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coming in tight on the line. team usa, what a run! it's gold for team usa. noah lyles with another gold medal. in case there was any doubt, who was the breakout star of these world championships. so i just got checked by simone. that doesn't this weekend, folks, this sunday morning. this is such a great weekend for us and we will see you back here next saturday at 8:00 a.m. eastern and be sure, we love it when you follow us on social media. velshi continues coverage, as always, because he is at ali velshi. take it away, my friend. >> i was loving your conversation about divided government. it made me think of