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think it's a big factor anymore, really. that issue is very much subdued. >> a panicked donald trump tries to force his way back into the spotlight in the laziest way possible, frankly, in a work from home hot mess press conference following more than two weeks of getting completely upstaged by the energy of the harris campaign. but the weird old guy is still getting owned by regular folks. >> he comes to michigan, he talks about he's going to bring back the auto industry. let me tell you something. donald trump doesn't know [ bleep ] about the auto industry. and he doesn't give a damn about the working class in this country. >> and as that man, uaw president shawn fain meets today with the harris/walz ticket, we're going to expose just how bad trump and project 2025, yes

it's still a thing, would be for working men and women in america. but we begin tonight with a lesson in how to and how not to run a presidential campaign. first, the house to. just look to the harris/walz campaign. in short order, you are seeing a well organized operation that has hit the ground running, not only barn storming critical battleground states but bringing big crowds with them. 14,000 showed up with her governor walz on tuesday. yesterday, there were 12,000 out in eau claire, wisconsin, and last night, more than 15,000 people filled a hangar at the detroit metro airport. there is no understating the level of enthusiasm and energy seen this week at those rallies. and perhaps as important, if not more, is that their speeches are forward looking, filled with positive messages for what harris and walz would bring in

the next administration. and in the next administration, and not just filled with anger or fearmongering or running through a list of grievances and thankfully no mentioned of sharks or hannibal lecter. vice president harris continued that today, speaking to united autoworkers members in detroit. >> we're saying we just want fairness. we want dignity for all people. we want to recognize the right all people have to freedom and liberty, to make choices, especially those that are of heart and home, and not have their government telling them what to do. our campaign is about saying we trust the people. >> and then, there's donald trump. and the clear example of how not to run a presidential campaign. first off, it kind of helps if you take the time to actually go out and meet the voters. while harris and walz have been

putting in the miles hitting multiple states this week with more to go, all trump has done is hit the putting greens as he remained holed up at mar-a-lago. wasn't he the one who was complaining throughout his new york criminal trial earlier this year that all he wanted to do was be on the campaign trail? well, today was the first time he took a break from his demanding schedule of walking around a putting green and eating mcdonald's cheese burgers to hold a press conference at his florida estate and it was exactly the misogynistic stream of consciousness you would expect. >> nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me. if you look at martin luther king, when he did his speech, his great speech, and you look at ours, same real estate. same everything. you look at it, and you look at the picture of his crowd and my crowd, we actually had more people. i had 107,000 people in new jersey. you didn't report it.

i'm so glad you asked. what did she have yesterday, 2,000 people? i have ten times, 20 times, 30 times the crowd size. for 52 years they wanted to bring abortion back to the states. they wanted to get rid of roe v. wade. that's democrats, republicans, and independents, and everybody. liberals, conservatives. everybody wanted it back in the states. they said, at first they were going to go out to another vote, they were going to go through a primary system, a quick primary system which it would have to be, and it all disappeared and they picked a person that was the first out, the first loser. okay, so we call her the first loser. she was the first loser when during the primary system, during the democrat primary system, she was the first one to quit. and she quit. she had no votes, no support. >> oh, grandpy. that was a small sampling of the bonkers statements he made. we will not subject you to the rest, you're welcome. just to set the record straight, and i cannot believe i have to

do this. here's a picture of the 1963 march on washington, and a picture of trump's crowd on january 6th. before a bunch of them stormed the capitol. which he claims was bigger, a bigger crowd than dr. king's. one of these crowds is clearly larger than the other. at 250,000 strong, while the other is basically hooligan sized. and why is he boasting about his crowd size on january 6th anyway? and again, on crowd size. here is harris' crowd in philadelphia. and here is trump's crowd in the same exact arena. just look with your eyes as to who filled more seats. you can literally just look. oh, and abortion is a huge issue, and no, no, not everyone wanted to see roe v. wade overturned. the only ones who wanted it back in the states were donald trump's far right evangelical base. when it comes to harris becoming the nominee, his deteriorating mind is clearly fusing the 2020 primaries with the ones this

year, as he apparently thinks harris just ran for president in this year's democratic primary, when in fact, she was on the primary ballots this year. with joe biden. as his vice presidential running mate because she's the vice president. that's how that works. perhaps it is time for donald trump to take another one of those cognitive tests, to be clear, donald trump did this today because he is freaking out. because he lost the spotlight to the democratic ticket. and he decided to do what his cruddy little campaign has been unable to do, seize back center stage. he tried to have his running mate jd vance handle things on the campaign trail, but all he did was appear to stalk vice president harris across the country, including at one point trying to make his way with his entourage onto her plane, air force two, which was just weird and embarrassing. so far, trump's attacks on the harris/walz ticket are not working. no matter how many times trump posted on his third rate media platform with unhinged rants.

and they know their campaign is floundering, as "the washington post" reports, trump behind the scenes is complaining relentlessly about harris' surging poll numbers and media coverage since replacing biden on the ticket, telling an ally last weekend, quote, it's unfair i beat him and now i have to beat her too. wah. i said the wah point. the post said allies have taken to finger pointing at events that went off the rails. perhaps they'll add today's presser to the list. lindsey graham said we had a lot of good things happen in a row that were unsustainable but we hit a couple speed bumps. that is putting it mildly. i do recall you saying once upon a time, if we nominate trump, we'll lose, and we'll deserve it. touche. joining me now is former senator doug jones. he's currently a distinguished senior fellow at the center for american progress, and jason johnson, professor of politics and journalism at morgan state

university and an msnbc political contributor. i'm going to go to you first, senator, because it seems to me that what may have broken donald trump and some of his friends and allies is kind of the regular guyness of this ticket. the regular personness, they are just like so approachable and regular, you experienced that when you ran for the senate in alabama. you were running against a guy who picked his paramours from the preteen set, apparently. so people were like, whoa, too weird for us in alabama. we want you. you seem normal. so you know how this works. what do you make of the way the trump campaign has responded? >> i don't think they have a clue how to respond. you know, donald trump's campaign is always been about being unhinged. about retribution, about anger, about trying to rile up people to vote against folks. it hasn't been about joy and unity, and that's what you're seeing. and they don't know how to do

that. they do not know how to respond. they don't know how to respond to authenticity, because you can't ever tell what donald trump is going to say. it doesn't matter, he is going to say anything he believes will promote his base regardless of the facts. so i think that contrast is incredible. and the american people are seeing it. they are yearning. i can tell you, joy, i really believe everywhere i have gone in the country the last couple three years, people have been yearning for that unity, to see people coming together and enjoying what they're doing, looking to go forward and not backward. and that's why you see such incredible energy out there right now. >> absolutely. and look, the benetton ad of the harris/walz ticket and the two white dudes standing behind her, like she's gladys knight and they're the pips. it's very unifying and hard to escape that. let me go to you, jason. i almost never would dispute what a civil rights legendary

lawyer would say, but i'm going to dispute one thing doug jones has said. i can predict what donald trump is going to say. it's noun, verb, crowd size. noun, verb, i really won in 2020. let me show you an example. i had a great wonderful producer cut this because donald trump started off being asked one thing and he ended up right where one would expect. here it is. >> yeah. we gave tremendous and tremendous for child care and all that. no, our tax -- our tax cuts, which are the biggest in history, our tax cuts are coming due, as you know, soon. look, they have weaponized government against me. look at the florida case. it was a totally weaponized case. all of these cases. france learned that lesson. france had all mail-in voting and they went back to paper ballots, voter identification, voter id. they went back to a normal system. one-day voting. they don't want to be around voting for 64 days. and look, the election, i keep talking about november 5th, but

the election really starts on september 6th. that's when it starts because it's early voting. we should have one-day voting. >> jason, i promise you, he was asked about taxes. i promise you. but he ended up -- his brain just sort of goes free born. >> you know, joy, again, it's fascinating to me when we talk about now who is the sort of person who seems not mentally fit, not mentally capable of performing. but here's the thing, and i think this is very important, one of the few things i was able to get through suffering through the press conference earlier today. it speaks volumes about the lack of philosophy that trump has that one of the things he wanted to flex on was how many people he had in the crowd at january 6th. that's sort of like saying, hey, i had more people at my fraud trial than you had at your wedding. it's a fraud trial. who is bragging about that? who is bragging about how many terrorists you can bring to the table? but it speaks to the fact that they don't have a plan, a philosophy. i think from a pure campaign

strategy standpoint, maybe the first week you were shocked by what was going to happen with harris, but it has been over two weeks now. and they can't figure out anything to say other than she's black. so that, i don't think they're going to figure anything out. they're just hoping america hates change and america has wanted change for four or five years now, and the harris/walz ticket brings it. >> by the way, let me let you know, the cook political report, which the polls we have taken with a grain of salt, but they do trends. they have moved a bunch of these ratings in the swing states to toss-ups. arizona has been moved to toss-up, nevada to toss-up, georgia to toss-up. it's much closer. i want to play something for you, senator jones. this is adnan who had a brilliant explanation of why what harris and walz are doing and who it's working for. >> here is an older white man, a coach, a soldier, who is very

hard to dismiss as some kind of coastal elite, who is telling older folks and white people, you do not need to be afraid of the future. there is joy in the future. there is joy in having your boss be a black woman. he's going to teach lots of people through his role in the culture that they're going to be okay and there's joy on the far side of realizing a multiracial democracy in this country. >> doug jones, that is a powerful explanation. how real do you think that winds up being in terms of the actual electorate? >> you know, i hope it is spot on. i think that we should all hope it is spot on. i kind of believe it will be. this is not 2016 and the race that donald trump ran against hillary clinton. we have come a long way, and the fact of the matter is what we have seen is freedoms being taken away, we have seen rights being taken away. we have seen chaos created by donald trump. and the entire maga crowd. and people don't like that.

they don't want to see this. and they're looking around the room and they're seeing this, and all of a sudden, you've got, you know, a guy that's a governor, he was a coach. he was in the house of representatives. he was in the army for 24 years and served our country. and he can go into areas and have conversations. joy, you and i have talked about this for a long time. that the key to a lot of the democrats' problems is that we have not gone where people are. and listened to them. and understood. tim walz is the embodiment of somebody who can listen and go where people are and talk to them. that's how i think he's going to be used a lot. we're not going to win a lot of the counties he goes into. we'll narrow that gap and let kamala harris get out the big vote in the areas where we traditionally get out that vote. that's why i think this is a really a winning ticket for november. >> i totally agree. and democrats, look, you were

just a senator from the state of alabama. al gore is from tennessee. obviously, bill clinton was from arkansas. the south has been ignored and rural communities, and poor white voters. white voters who are in rural communities, they want health care. they want nice things. they want good things, if you talk to them, you might convince them. let's talk about this for a moment. there is an attempt to remove that advantage with the swift boating attempt that you're seeing the right do. this is what jane mayer wrote. remember when john kerry was swift boated by chris lacivita, who is now doing it to tim walz. guess who funded it. harlan crow, the billionaire who has been lavishing freebies on clarence thomas. same old playbook, same old guys. >> i'm not shocked. right? none of this is shocking to me. but joy, i think it's also -- we were in a very, very different time. we're in a country that was tired of 20 years of war and occupation. we're in a country that if you

look at the last several presidential candidates, they haven't been people with particularly stellar military careers whether it was biden or trump or hillary. people don't care about this stuff the way they used to. so no matter how much you want to attack tim walz, he looks like captain kangaroo mixed with the coach from friday night lights. you're not going to convince me that he's some stolen valor guy when your attack dog is jd vance, who we can't tell what he's ever done or what he ever believes in. that's another example of the trump campaign not really having a message, they're not offering an alternative. you can't tell america that minnesota is a hellscape. it's one of the nicest states to live in. you can't convince us tim walz is a terrible guy. >> absolutely. also, you can't convince us that donald trump is superman. let's play him today in his own home, apparently, and he blames it on the audio, but it appeared

he could not hear. >> can you hear me? >> you have to speak louder. >> do you support continuation of tax credits for evs? do you support -- >> you have to talk louder sir. >> who? >> could you repeat that, please? no, you. would you repeat what she said? you have to speak up. this room is very -- >> when you're elected, will you -- >> do you hear her? >> okay, dude, it's your room, first of all. just as a campaign matter, and look, we can are let. age is a number. it's a cruel number. it happens to all of us. but the alternative is terrible. but this is a person who is in his own home. this room is terrible, i can't hear anything. he couldn't even be bothered to take the mar-a-lago sign off of the podium, jason.

like, he's the one who now as you said earlier seems like the geezer. >> yeah, and here's the thing, i want people to be clear. this is not ageism. nancy pelosi is older than him. we're not saying that age is inherently a problem. what we're saying is someone whose entire campaign has been based on attacking joe biden because of his age is now demonstrating all of the supposed foibles, gaffes, and weaknesses he said were disqualifying for his opponent until three weeks ago. that's part of the issue here. what we're also seeing, because he's here at mar-a-lago, even when trump is on his own turf, he is now a weakened and diminished candidate. i said three weeks ago when kamala harris was endorsed by joe biden, and donald trump was like, i'm not going to debate her, i said if he agreed to debate her, it's because the trump campaign's internal numbers show he could lose. the fact he's desaying he would debate her, shows they're in

trouble. >> and doug, i guess the bottom line here is when you're running a campaign, you have to be willing to adjust. you just don't know what's going to happen. you're going to get curve balls thrown at you. i don't think i have ever seen, senator, a campaign more flat footed and unable to adjust. they just seem panicky, and it's clear he no longer has faith in them because he's now diy'ing it at mar-a-lago. >> he has no faith in them. he has no faith in himself. he has no faith in jd vance. they're really floundering this. it is stunning to believe after all of the things, i mean, remember, donald trump was on tape, he was caught on camera saying joe biden is going to withdraw. this was like three weeks before the president actually withdrew from the race, and he's out playing golf, said he's going to withdraw. we got him out of the race. one would think they would be somewhat prepared. and by the way, it's not like kamala harris wasn't running for a national office anyway.

she was still a candidate. so it's really stunning that they have been that flat footed. going back to your question about the military. i'm really shocked they're even bringing up the military. when your nominee, you know, claimed to have bone spurs to not serve and tim walz served this country for 24 years. that is an incredible record. and they are taking some serious -- >> indeed, and when he said on the radio that not getting stds was his vietnam, there's tape. you may not want to try to make those charges about somebody else's service. especially when he also said military members are losers and suckers. there's a whole set of tapes. former senator doug jones, jason johnson, thank you both. >> up next, as the trump campaign tries to distance itself from project 2025, we expose the destruction it would

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donald trump still really wants you to believe he has nothing to do with project 2025. the right wing manifesto for his second presidency. but take a look at this. that is donald trump on a private plane in april 2022 with kevin roberts, the president of the heritage foundation. the organization behind project 2025. they were traveling together to a heritage conference where

trump spoke. at this point, the trump/vance effort to run away from their ties to project 2025 are frankly laughable. jd vance wrote the forewood to kevin roberts' book, the publication which has been postponed until after the election, of course, because they don't want you to know what they stand for, but project 2025 is literally available online and it's important to know what is in it since it is the real trump 2025 agenda and a stark contrast to what democrats are offering. like what it would mean for american workers and organized laor. today, the harris/walz ticket was in michigan meeting with members of the united autoworkers. one of the many unions to endorse vice president harris and governor tim walz. >> look, and this thing of playing dumb while he sits on the planes with these billionaires and says i don't know anything about project 2025. i just fly on the planes with them. you know what it's going to do. one of the goals of that plain and simple and they know this, this has gin going on forever,

get rid of labor unions and get rid of the voices they bring. they can do whatever the hell they want then. >> governor walzs knows what he's talking about. he's a former union member and he showed up as a picket line last fall. so what does project 2025 want for america's workers and organized labor? well, to allow states to ban labor unions, as you just heard governor walz say. it would ban all public employee unions. it would also let states waive national minimum wage and overtime laws and eliminate child labor protections so that kids could work in places like mines and meat packing plants. joining me now is jody calamine, director of advocacy for the afl-cio. thank you so much for being here. one more thing, project 2025 calls for congress to pass something called the teamwork for employees and managers act. it's a bill that undermined union bargaining power. guess who two of the sponsors

are. marco rubio and jd vance. jd vance also opposes the pro act, which would expand protections for workers who want to unionize. this is scary stuff and would really hurt a lot of workers. your thoughts. >> absolutely. thank you, joy, for having me on, and thank you for doing all this work exposing project 2025 to the country. it's vital that people know what's in here. project 2025, as you have pointed out, is a 900-page document. there are a lot of details in there, and as you go through it, you can get lost in the weeds. i would like to lay out the bigger picture for labor that's in that document. i think their proposals fall into a few buckets that when you take a look at them overall, it will reimagine our society, reimagine our lives in a very dark and twisted way. like you said, there's a category of proposals that sort of eliminate the floor from workers. they want to go after minimum

wage, overtime, after child labor laws. they want to turn more people into independent contractors so they have no rights whatsoever. we have been seeing those kinds of proposals for years from anti-worker organizations. and so we have seen those before. but what we haven't seen before is the rest of it. which i think is very, very nefarious and dangerous. not to say that the rest isn't. and i would love to talk you through a bit of those other categories. >> please do. please. >> so the second category of proposals have to do with civil rights. they're going after workers' civil rights. they go after an agency or an office with a department of labor that does really strong civil rights enforcement against federal contractors. but they leave the eeoc in place. and the reason they leave the eeoc in place is they want to turn title vii on its head and weaponize it against diversity,

incluz, and equity. they want to weaponize it against employers that put on anti-harassment and anti-racism training. and in other words, they want to normalize everyday racism and sexism in the work place and in society. so that's civil rights. then, they privilege employers who are religious. that is religious bosses. and so those religions will trump the civil rights of workers. if you want a job, if you want to keep your job, if you want to get promoted, you better comply with your boss' religion. and then, as you pointed out, the team act, which is incredible when you dig into how that fits into the bigger picture. when they go to labor law, they're going to weaken private sector unions and replace them with unions controlled by companies. and then they want to totally eliminate public sector unions. >> wow. this is scary stuff. and again, it goes right back to

the sort of religious indoctrination and trying to take us back to the 19th century which they thought was the ideal era. just to let you know, viewers, who would be affected in swing states. in michigan, there are 564,000 union members. that's 12.8% of all wage and salary workers. in pennsylvania, it's 749,000 workers. 12.9% of the working population. in wisconsin, it's 205,000 union members or 7.4%. nevada, it's 171,000 union members, 12.4%. president biden won these states in 2020 by, you know, small numbers. 154,000, 81,000, 20,000, 33,000. so this is literally the difference in whether these states' workers will be able to afford their lives, will be able to work without persecution, will be able to work at all. >> absolutely, and if you are a union member and you're watching, here's a proposal to keep in mind. everybody is going to have

another contract coming up, another set of contract negotiations coming up. one of the proposals is to turn all of our employal laws into something negotiable. they won't be a requirement knbl. you're building up to go fight for a 10% raise because of rising prices and daily living. you want a 10% raise. when you show up at the bargaining table, project 2025 and the second trump administration will have made it legal for that company, for your employer, to make their opening wage proposal to be 10 cents an hour with no overtime pay. that is because the fair labor standards act will now be negotiable. now you're going to fight like heck to try to get just up to the minimum wage again. forget about the 10% raise. it's going to affect workers' bottom lines. and when it affects union workers' bottom lines, it affects everybody's bottom lines and everybody's pocket books are hurt because union contracts set the standard for industries.

>> for everybody. and i will just say, as we ran out of time, but don't be fooled by the no tax on tipped workers. know that most tipped workers don't make enough money to pay taxes. they would get literally nothing but allow hedge fund managers to say don't pay me a salary, i'll get my money in tips. it's a trick to turn us back to the era where workers had no right and made almost no money. thank you so much. please come back because we're going to keep talking about this stuff. thank you. >> thank you very much. coming up, what the unrest surrounding the venezuelan election can teach us about the possibility of authoritarian seizing power right here in the u.s. we'll be right back. ♪ limu emu... ♪ and doug. (bell ringing) limu, someone needs to customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. let's fly! (inaudible sounds) chief! doug. (inaudible sounds) ooooo ah.

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that is the statue of longtime venezuelan leader hugo chavez's statue being toppled. part of the recent protests where there's been growing unrest since the country's recent elections. stick with me here because what's happening there increasingly reflects and impacts what's happening here. there is, of course, the ongoing migrant crisis which republicans have weaponized to fearmonger about the border and increasingly about venezuelans specifically with the governors of florida and texas shipping

them around the country and calling them criminals. but there's also what venezuela can teach us about how an autocrat subverts the will of the people. here in the states, we tend to think of ourselves as a european style democracy, but our colonial history and politics are much more aligned with the countries in our own hemisphere. as samuel goldman writes, we're not exceptional. we're american. and we should learn from our neighbors in the region. after venezuela's most recent election, a state department review of the ballots and an analysis by "the washington post" found maduro lost by a lot over 30 points, but maduro is clinging to power and control anyway. mostly because of what he did before the election. including invalidating the candidacy of maria machado, probably the most popular politician in the country, leading the lesser known edmundo gonzalez to run and ultimately win in her place, but maduro had a plan b, something called the

national electoral council when he controls and which despite the election results declared maduro the winner. and while the council is yet to make precinct level results available and audited as required by venezuelan law, maduro has asked venezuela's supreme tribunal of justice, their supreme court, another institution he controls, to take up the case. promising to turn over the ballots to the court. the same court that in 2019 invalidated the election of the previous opposition leader, who is now exiled in florida, of course. maduro's strong man tactics also include controlling venezuela's department of justice. earlier this wook, he tasked his ag with investigating opposition leaders for alleged incitement to insurrection. and it's not just the levers of government that are under maduro's control and at his disposal. he also has fans whom he's called upon to counterprotest in the streets. and he's demanding venezuelans delete whatsapp from their cell

phones saying the app is used against his movement. his police are reportedly conducting roadside stops and arresting people who still had the apps on their phones. this follows a long history of maduro constraining the free press, jailing and exiling dissidents and restricting the ability to organize. yet even with all that repression, the fight over venezuela's democracy is increasingly playing out in the streets. where despite the tally of those arrests now nearing 2,000, people are coming from every part of the country to the capitol and rallying with ms. machado and mr. gonzalez, chanting we are not afraid. which makes you wonder, could scenes like this play out at home after november 5th? >> if trump wins, no, i'm not confident at all.

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it will be fixed. it will be fine. you won't have to vote anymore. >> why would someone say that? why would someone say something like that repeatedly unless you don't plan on winning at the ballot box but rather by other means. an increasing possibility not just in countries like venezuela but also here at home. in georgia, that stay's election board made it easier for trump loyalists to delay the certification of votes by approving a new rule that expands the authority of county elections boards to pause certifications if they find so-called discrepancies. trump praised the three members who voted for the new rules by name. a troubling trend that follows rolling stone's analysis which found that nearly 70 pro-trump conspiracists are election officials in key battleground counties. joining me is freddy gubarra, former vice president of the venezuelan parliament, currently a congressman in exile and democracy fellow at the harvard kennedy school's ash center.

and olivia troye, former senior adviser to mike pence. thank you both for being here. i want to start with you because i feel like the cautionary tales that americanss need are right in our backyard, and venezuela is a huge one, maduro is a huge one. you yourself have had to deal with this. i want to talk about that in a moment. here's what donald trump had to say about mr. maduro. venezuela is right now being run by a dictator. people are in our country now. they released tremendous numbers of criminals to our country. his usual bluster. but what maduro is doing is putting people like you and protesters in jail in a place which is a prison. talk about being there and about venezuela and how it is faring under maduro. >> well, thank you very much for this opportunity. and i will have to say thank you to all the americans really for the support they're bringing to our struggle. i was a political prisoner. but i am alive so that makes me

lucky. i'm outside. there's many of us that are still there, and there are many of us who unfortunately, they haven't been able to get out of the prison because they have died, because basically tortures. so of course, this is a situation that nobody wants to live. and i think it's very important that all the american society from every spectrum of the political spectrum insures that the venezuelan situation will work as it has to be, that it has to end with a transition, a specific transition that will make venezuela to recover their rights and stop this crazy migration crisis that

>> you have a democracy, voting is not enough. that's why people immediately after the electoral board that is controlled by maduro stole the elections with fake numbers that they don't have any proof, results that have been claimed as fake by many international observers, as the center. that's why, exactly the same th in a strong position to fight for freedom. because you cannot take for granted democracy.

we cannot take for granted freedom, and venezuelans are going to fight in a peaceful manner, but we're going to fight until we reach our rights again. >> and olivia, restricting access to social media platforms where people could communicate and organize, having systems in place and entities that simply deny the election results are real and then refuse to turn over ballots to an independent entity to look at them, using the courts, it literally all tracks. it's very project 2025. and it also explains why trump is being so lazy as he's not leaving mar-a-lago to campaign, because he doesn't think he has to win an election. he said it over and over again. he just assumes that these structures he's put in place will insure he doesn't lose. that is such a real and live threat that it would almost be -- we would be sort of denying our basic job in journalism if we this has happened literally

happened in our neighborhood. i do this will continue to undermine you the media when you call it out. that's what he does. anyone that takes a stand against them flips the narrative and turns the script on them and undermines whatever it is that's calling it out so i think that there's a true concern here. you're right, right now i think he is so angry at the momentum that he's seen across the country behind kamala harris's campaign so that's a reality of it. the angrier he gets about that. the more aggressive he is going to get about pushing the type of narratives that are dangerous that undermine a peaceful transfer of power that they've been talking about. that's what i think he sees as what the future holds for our country as we approach the election.

>> we don't need to win the election you need to win it clearly. this needs to be a clear win and a big win. anything close to donald trump we know what he's going to do. he's saying it, he adores him and sees him as a role model. thank you for all you are doing for your bravery and for continuing to fight for your country and you will eventually win. the good eventually due win. olivia troy thank you so much. we will be right back. >> if you've got heart failure, this can help you keep living life with the one you love. lov and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪

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