forgiveness. of lingering grief for her father. and as for melissa, after the trial, she told us she was ready to move on. >> where will you keep been? >> he will always be in my heart. you will never be forgotten, but we have to go on. we still have to be here and live a day-to-day life. >> if he's looking down watching you, what would he think about his daughter? >> i think he still loves me, and i'm doing much better than i was at my other house. >> you miss him? >> i miss him a lot. >> you are a pretty strong kid, aren't you? >> yeah. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin. thank you for watching. watchin good morning and welcome morning joe weekend we have

just been through a major newsweek that's a, harris pick are running it. with us, we have the host of way too early, the jeep of political, jonathan lemay her. msnbc contributor and author of the come out the right lost its might, charlie sykes, congressional investigations reporter for the washington post, jackie, is with us this morning, and white house correspondent for political and co-author of the playbook, eugene daniels is with us now. good to have all of you with us this morning. so, vice president, kamala harris and her running mate, governor, tim walz spent their first full day together on the campaign trail, with two stops in the midwest. the pair visited eau claire wisconsin to yesterday, looking to build more momentum for the new democratic ticket. it was plenty of enthusiasm for harris and walz. this is everything you need to know.

standing in the sun, waiting for a chance to get to a kamala harris, tim walz rally. 12,000 people, packed the outdoor rally, despite warm temperatures, which governor walz acknowledged when he spoke to the crowd. meanwhile, the vice president drew a contrast between their campaign and the republican ticket. >> and a real special thank you to everybody here, looking out across here, look you are busy people, things to do. summer day. walk two miles, i had nothing to do with that, by the way, nothing. but you came here for one beautiful, simple reason. you love this country and this democracy. >> and understand, in this fight, as tim walz likes to point out, we are joyful warriors. joyful warriors.

because we know that, while fighting for a brighter future may be hard work, hard work is good work. hard work is good work. and so, we will continue to fight for affordable housing. for affordable healthcare, affordable childcare and paid leave. we believe in a future, where we lower the cost of living for america 'family's, so that they can have a chance, not just to get by, but to get ahead. >> so, than it was on to michigan. after that event in wisconsin, vice president harris and governor walz spoke to a fired up crowd in detroit, michigan last night. the campaign says it was forced to change venues, to a airport hangar, after receiving 47,000 ticket request to the event.

according to the campaign, 15,000 attended, making it one of their largest rallies yet. >> unlike donald trump, i will always put the middle class and working families first. because coach walls and i know the middle ground class built this great country of ours, and the middle, when the middle class a strong, america is strong! the man has openly vowed, if reelected, that he will be a dictator on day one. think about what that means, when he said that he will even quote, terminate the constitution of the united states. let us be very clear, someone who suggests we should terminate the constitution of the united dates should never

again stand behind the seal of the president of the united states. never again. >> i don't know if we can find some video of the crowds there, but surely sykes, i would like to go to you, because in the show you said i think it will be interesting to see what happens in michigan and wisconsin, so what you think about what is happening in michigan and wisconsin, especially at rallies like this, where you have people showing up in the heat, showing up because they just met tim walz and they want to get more, and they are just eating kamala harris as a candidate, but they are showing up for her in droves, and i will just a personal anecdote, i know some republican women, who worked in government for republican candidates, like politicians, who are showing up at one of these rallies, who are going to travel across the country to be there for kamala harris and tim walz, what you make of it?

is it a sugar high or is something happening here? >> well, it may be a sugar high, but something is definitely happening here. you know, you always try to sift out the speculation from what is actually happening and that is actually happening. eau claire, wisconsin i would say is 52, 53% biden in an area surrounded by-- surrounded by a sea of red. that is a big crowd turnout in wisconsin. but you are seeing this around the country and i think it is an indication of the fact that, here is a thing. where it hasn't had this kind of big rallies and it hasn't had this kind of enthusiasm and it is really-- it is generating a lot of activism that you don't see, i was talking to some democrats yesterday here in wisconsin and they are seeing this up and down the ballot. it is not just the presidential race, these people are being activated, and again, just remember, where we were three weeks ago.

the mood of the democratic party, compared to this, is really extraordinary, so, that turnout in wisconsin is more, this is the theory of the case right? for tim walz is that he will have this kind of appeal, not just in minnesota, but in rural areas and eau claire wisconsin, and in michigan, and at least that is playing out in the short term. in the contrast, the contrast between what you are seeing on the screen and the fact that, where is donald trump? donald trump is not on the campaign trail and jd vance is doing this weird stalking thing. so, this is an extraordinary split screen, then on trump campaign, versus these type of enthusiastic rallies. >> brian, we are going to get to the awkward stalking plane moment in just a minute. but i am just curious, jonathan lanier, because, of course, of course, joe doesn't like it

when i do this, but i do watch a lot of the right, whether it is foxnews or newsmax your podcasts and i want to hear what the reaction is on the right. and what i found interesting is that it is extremely mixed and extremely vitriolic and extremely loud, but not all the same stories. almost as if there is a grasping going on, i could be overstating it, but it is everything, from talking about his walk, talking about his appearance, trying to spread this information about his story, but very loud, very-- there's almost like a manic reaction to scramble to figure out what is wrong with this guy. and then you, like cut to a picture of tim walz and he is on the shotgun with his daughter at the minnesota state fair, surrounded by kids. i mean, he doesn't have-- i don't know. i mean, does this look like a

cruel, mean guy. does this look like the bogeyman? because last time i checked, he is a pretty popular guy, who has now garnering tens and 12 thousand from kamala harris. so which is it, jonathan lemaire? >> republicans are straining for any coherent attack lines on the democrats to get on vice president harris and governor walz. we will see if they have any traction or not, including calling out parts of governor walz's military service. this is a remarkable rollout for the democrats and start stark contrast to the rollout that jd vance has had so far since he was added to the ticket. we should note, that report which has a pretty good read on polling just moved three states, arizona, nevada, to georgia, all three had been leaning republican and now in the toss up category, which shows harris moved anywhere from 2-5 points, showing just how tight this race has become.

and eugene daniels, we saw there in wisconsin the appeal of this ticket, sort of in more suburban, rural areas, where tim walz has spent a lot of time, with the vice president and her running mate were in detroit last night you were in detroit at the rally and she drew a big there as well. and that is also so key here. there are so many democrats in months. the last few months where president biden was at the top of the ticket. we are worried he could turn out cities, he could turn out young voters and voters of color. we need to run of margins in the big cities and win those battleground states. at least for one night harris proved quite the draw. give us your readers to your takeaways of what you saw. >> yeah, 15,000 people can kind of in an airport a is not how i typically did go with vice president harris and i have been clearing her for this entire time and in 2019 and these people looking for and i talked to these folks yesterday

who were hot and people who are kind of without any water, who stay there for hours to just get a glib said it is something we have never seen because they see it as a solution to they have had. for a lot of democrats felt like they had no chance and and a lot of the states, including michigan, they were losing their about the possibility of winning later in november that they were losing their ability to beach donald trump and so, what you are hearing and from folks is this a segment that like we are back on the board right? that is how democrats are right now, and they see vice president harris and tim walz as a new beginning to something they have not a lot of time. i will say, vice president harris, herself, has been very clear with her team, talking with her staff in the hotel and here in detroit. and the think they keep saying is that she has brought up over and over again, to remind her team to not get obsessed with the sugar high. we reported this at political a couple of weeks ahead.

she is saying all of this in this speech, we are the underdog, because she is very cognizant of 2016, when democrats felt like they had it in the bag, and folks didn't turn out to vote. so, she is telling everybody, including the folks at the rallies, the folks behind closed doors, don't get used to the sugar high, get out and do the work. we are the underdogs, because she just can't see how excited a candidate could get with all of these rallies and at the end of the day it may be doesn't turn itself into an actual win in november, it is, you know, like i've said we have heard this entire time and the idea that vice president harris would have 15,000 people in an airport hangar in michigan is just like -- it is kind of head spinning for those of us who have been paying a lot of attention and also president biden, his biggest event with 2000, 3000 people, those pale

in serious comparison, including to the folks in wisconsin, walked for miles, literally two miles, group including our colleague, helena, who had to get out of her car and walked two miles and people have been doing that here, they are going to arizona later today and tomorrow and it seems like the campaign, there's thousands and thousands of people ready to do the same thing. so, this is the swing in this rollout of tim walz mac and this ticket has gone really well for vice president harris and her team right now. >> we have lots more to get you this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. ♪ ♪ and i'm keeping the weight off. wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only fda-approved weight-management medicine

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marine who served this country in uniform, when the united dates marine corps, with united dates of america ask me to go to iraq to serve my country i did it. i did what they asked me to do and i did it honorably and i'm very proud of that service. when tim walz mac was asked by his country to go to iraq, you know what he did? he dropped out of the army and allowed his unit to go without him. what bothers me about tim walz mac is the stolen valor garbage. >> in a moment, a fact check, but here is msnbc's chris hayes on his record and why he left the guard. >> among the tiny fraction of americans we list, and much smaller share make a career of it, serving 20 years or longer, multiple points. only a tiny fraction of those thought to say it stay in the service after being disabled on the job, and one of them is and a soda governor, tim walz mac. and a list of soldier in the national guard for nearly a quarter of a century. a journey that began on a nebraska farm as soon as he was

eligible to join. >> my thought father served during the korean war and the day after i turned 17, he took me down to an army national guard recruiter and i raised my hand and signed up. >> that was in 1981, ronald reagan was president, and walz continue to serve for the next 24 years. under four commanders in chief. he spent the most of the time as an artillery soldier and a tour in his hearing. in fact, in 2022 after 20 years he qualified for retirement and a medical board consider discharging him because of his hearing impairment, instead, he convinced them to convince his final which began after 9/11. but rather than stay and complete the schooling for that rank, walz retired in 2005 at the rank of master sergeant. the party says, because he wanted, at that point, to speak freely about political injustice, specifically the iraq war.

the following year he was one of more than 60 antiwar veterans running for congress, fighting, including a group called jim webb, patrick murphy and duckworth. >> i spent 24 years in the army national guard, i spent two decades as a public school teacher, i am a small business owner, i'm a father and i am a husband. i intend to come here to washington to provide authentic leadership and to truly represent the people of my district on the people of the united states. >> walz experience in the united states is a popular one, particularly politicians at the national level. there is literally no one like it. i know walz is running against kamala harris and jd vance. and republicans are trying to swift boat him the way they did with vietnam vet, john kerry, 28 years ago, saying he still valor, and left the army going to iraq. it is something they used against him when he he was

running for governor of minnesota, which failed, because they are lies. he spent since fighting for veterans to get the benefits they deserve. it is a rare kind of veteran in politics who can cut through the self-serving bs rather than adding to it. >> so, here are the facts, according to minnesota public radio, a medical board considered dismissing walz in 2002, due to hearing problems he developed, while working with high-powered weapons, during his more than two decades in the mid-national guard. at that point s guardsmen, who served under walz says, he was already openly discussing retiring in order to run for congress. records show that, in january of 2005, he did, indeed, take that step and filed a statement of candidacy with the federal election commission. two months later, walz acknowledged in a campaign statement that there were talks about units potentially being

deployed, but wrote quote, i do not yet know if my artillery unit will be part of this mobilization. in may of that year, documents show he officially retired from the military, meaning he likely had to inform the national guard of this plan many months earlier. in july of 2005, six months after walz declared his intention to run for congress, his former battalion received a mobilization alert and then, the following month, the order to deploy. vance also accused walz yesterday of lying about his rank of command sergeant major. but in a new statement, the national guard says the governor did, indeed, reach that level. though he quote, retired as a master sergeant for benefit purposes, because he did not complete additional coursework at the u.s. army sergeants major academy, jonathan lanier, again, different people to

different types of service, and jd vance is going after tim walz mac and lining a with untruths, but also i feel like a servicemember denigrating another servicemember for his services just -- i don't know. i'm not sure how that is going to play. that may go in the jd vance category as well. >> yeah, the governor walz dedicated two decades of his life. both men should be praised for doing so, this shouldn't be some sort of attack line. and we are expecting to hear more from the harris campaign, clear up a few discrepancies, but the overall argument, as you just pointed out and that fact check and last night, it simply doesn't hold water, this idea of stolen valor, this idea that he bailed on his units to combat. these are attack that don't seem particularly honest, and it is unclear whether they will resonate, and i think a couple

of other things need to be noted here, first of all, this just shows how the trump team it has really struggled to come up with any sort of effective attack lines against president harris and now, in his early days, running mate, so they are seizing upon this. we should say, perhaps it is not too surprising, chris, one of the top trump aids, he was the architect of this with vote attacks against john kerry, back in 2004, a similar playbook with him. those, also, many of them, factually inaccurate, and we should leave no conversation about political candidate polsky military service without noting, donald trump repeatedly dodged military service, because he had claimed he had bones burks and later, when asked what what they were in, couldn't remember. >> no, exactly, the two words i was going to use were bone spurs here, look. i spent a lot of time around-- not as a veteran myself, but one thing we did a 44 times was to raise money to send world

war ii veterans to their memorial in washington, d.c. and one of the points that we often made with the veterans was -- the goal of their service was honorable, wherever they were, whether they were radar operators or whether they were in supplies and this is what i think is so beneath jd vance here, go after someone like tim walz who served 24 years and was disabled in his service, jd vance, and we should thank him for his service, but it is not in combat either. but he has made a-- he has kind of a penchant of attacking other members of the service, denigrating them, a while back general mccaffrey, it seems to be kind of a thing for jd vance. it is the dishonesty of all of this. reaching back into the swift playbook to go after someone like walz who said, as you pointed out, 24 years, more than two decades serving his

country. the timeline that you layout, very clear, when he retired, people retire all the time in the military and this is not that radical. people in the military understand this, when you have made a career of it. so, i just think the attacks, the attacks are potentially potent, but they are so fundamentally dishonest, the harris campaign has to take this seriously, because things like stolen valor can resonate. this is one of the things that the conservative media is very effective at getting out there. and i think that they do need to engage and i do think that they do need to push back but i also think that they need to go on the offensive about this, that a presidential ticket headed by donald trump, who used bone spurs to avoid service in vietnam, the fact that donald trump led ticket would once again attack a member of the

military, who lived to serve, i couldn't help but think about his attacks on john mccain, i couldn't help but think about the reports in the atlantic about the way that he had denigrated servicemembers, when he was president of the united dates. this is not something that they should take lightly and i don't think that they should be overly defensive about it, as you point out, if there are discrepancies, you know, clear those discrepancies up, but this is honorable service and there is just something particularly loathsome about jd vance's decision to go after tim walz on this particular issue. >> we have lost more to get to at this hour, morning joe weekend continues after a short break. (elevator doors opening) wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪

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in battleground states, titled determination, it is their first and since governor walz joined the ticket. take a look. >> when you are raised by an immigrant mother, you will learn learn what is possible with determination. >> determination is about kamala harris. >> working from mcdonald's to prosecutor. >> state attorney general. >> u.s. senator, and vice president. in only one generation and with that same determination. >> she always defended us. >> is a prosecutor, she protected us from violent criminals. as attorney general-- >> should be the banks that kicked families out of their homes. >> as our vice president she fights for women polsky reproductive rights every day. >> and she be the companies to lower cost for insulin and prescriptions. >> as our president-- >> determination is how she will stop the corporation to gouge our families on rent and groceries. >> and she won't stop fighting until we win. >> because she knows

determination. >> when we fight we win. >> i am kamala harris and i approve this message. >> the ad is part of a two week seven media blitz on radio platforms in english and spanish. harris and walz will campaign in arizona tomorrow. they got a lot in there. in a short amount of time. they heard a lot of topics, what you think about this strategy here? >> well, first of all, i have to say i have been traveling the country all year for "the new york times," talking to voters within the democratic base, but we have to remember is an exceptionally large and diverse water-based. mostly that is an advantage, and i think when you see ads like this and you see the rallies that we have this week diverse, vibrant, you know, harris and walz are writing this wave of enthusiasm that is

real, because they are representing the america that actually exists, the america that we have, which is a vibrant and diverse nation, people from every background and there is an excitement about that. you know, a majority of americans in this country do want to see democracy continue. they do believe in multiracial democracy. they are excited about the democratic agenda, which is hugely popular. so, to see them out there, fighting for it and fighting for the america that we do have, not some 1950s version filled with grievance, is exciting to voters, and i think the challenge that harris and walz are going to have and i think this ad is a part of that is that when you do have a diverse space you have got to make it clear that there is something for and is a place for everybody within that coalition. and clearly that is, you know, genuine, because this is a

country that harris and walz, it is clear that they believe in diversity, so it is not a stretch for them. it is not difficult. but, you know, i watched her campaign earlier this year in las vegas and she just is-- she is really good at this, this ad is totally in keeping with her views, her deeply held beliefs on the beauty of the american experience and story as it is, which is a complicated one, so, this is going to land a lot better than it would if we were seeing donald trump you know, trying to do outreach, which we are, with black voters in some really ugly ways, it just doesn't work, because it is not real. >> for sure. joining us now, democratic congressman, dan of michigan, he spoke yesterday at the harris-walz rally in detroit. thank so much for being on the show this morning, love to hear your reflections on how yesterday went. and also, following up with

that, you know, michigan is a diverse state and you saw some of the challenges play out during that rally, when kamala harris was confronted with some protests she managed through the rally, but also it gives us a sense of some of the challenges moving forward in addressing the needs and the concerns of michigan voters. so, what do you think their strategy should be in making sure that they hear everybody in that state? >> well, first of all thanks for having me on, it was an amazing rally, i have been involved in every presidential campaign, since i did 76 and, maybe with the exception of 2008, i haven't seen energy like i saw yesterday. you mentioned that i spoke to that crowd, had a great reaction, but i think i could have gotten up and read the phone book and they would have been screening on their feet. they were really excited about this ticket. but, to your challenge, to the

challenge you present, i think with the vice president harris and tim walz, what they have to do, they will be here and they will be back again. there are diverse views and diverse voices within the democratic coalition. those voices are being heard and i think we need to allow that to take place, but what vice president harris wrote yesterday, she is willing to listen, but she has a message that she is going to deliver and i think that message, as compared even on this issue of israel-palestine as compared to that question is a much better path forward for this country than the dark, dystopian angry and yes, weird agenda that donald trump and jd vance are offering this country. >> the harris campaign hasn't made no secret of governor walz and the governor will spend a lot of time in michigan, as well as wisconsin and western pennsylvania. you served with him when he was

in congress for a number of years. tell us why you think he is the right messenger there for a state, michigan really diverse, in terms of the type of voters that the harris team needs to turn out to win november. >> i think it is because tim's whole career has been focused on service and we appreciate that in the state of michigan, as others do around the country, but he is also very practical, very pragmatic. folks in my state don't necessarily want to hear the big talking points, they want to hear somebody who speaks the language that they speak every day at the kitchen table and that-- just in the last couple of days we have seen such an overwhelming response to tim walz, because even when he is standing there in front of the microphone he is one of us. i have heard people say well, you don't know tim that well. they are going to have a chance to get to know him, but here's the real point, they may not know him yet, but he has known you all of his life. because he

is one of us. he grew up on a family farm. they went through those struggles, in the army to serve his country, he was a teacher, he was a coach, he was not born with a silver spoon in one hand, like the other side of the ticket, donald trump and jd vance does not have that same biography, he is one of us. and in michigan and lots of other places that really makes a difference and i think it will. >> yeah, you notice that and i think it is really going to play a huge role in the selection dan that a school is like a little country you know, and you have to be a leader in that country and you have to be a great example and you have to be fun and you have to be a person, who respect others and leads by example, but also makes sure that things stay in line, and you just see it, when he does the rallies, you see the teacher or the coach and i think it is going to help him a

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are you suggesting she was a di higher? >> 100% she was an di higher. >> apparently they feel or a lot of democrats feel they have to stick with her, because of her ethnic background. >> i think she was a di higher and i think that is what we are seeing and i just don't think they have anybody else i just think that they are in disarray. >> i have known her a long time directly, not directly very much and she was always of indian heritage, and she was only promoting indian heritage. i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago, when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black. so, i don't know, is she indian or is she black? >> she has always identified as black. >> i respect either one, but she obviously doesn't, because she was indian all the way and all of the sudden she made a turn and she went-- she became black. >> republican lawmakers, donald trump and some party members have used harris's biracial

identity and the existence of diversity, equity and inclusion programs to degrade and downplay her qualifications. it is a story very familiar to former wnba president, lisa borders, who writes about it in a new sub stock article, entitled kamala harris, the divine nine, and dismantling the di dog whistle and lisa joins us now, it is great to see you. tell us about the di dog whistle and what do you-- what are they attempting to do here? >> well, good morning, mika, joe, and team, morning joe, it is great to be with you and here's what i would tell you all, that, when you hear someone trying to turn di on its head this is an effort, by folks, who, number one, don't understand it, number two who fear it and anytime you see fear you see people behaving in this very poor way.

it is racist, it is reductive, and it contemplates that, for one person to move ahead someone else must move behind. so, that is not true command kamala harris is objectively qualified, not only to be vice president, but all obviously to be president of the united dates. joe, you ran down her resume from da to ag, to u.s. senator, and now, vice president of the united dates. what are these people talking about right now? >> lisa, this is gene robinson, and vice president harris, there was a-- a brief response, from her campaign to what donald trump was saying and then they have just sort of pushed it off and not engaged in the this ridiculous, i guess debate, it is not really a debate, do you think that was

the right course of action, you think that she is right just to sort of kind of do the jay-z number and just brush your shoulders off? >> right, hey jean, i absolutely think it was the right thing to do. if you engage with it, you give it oxygen, you give it air. you don't put out fire with fire, you put out fire with water, so, for her to pivot and go back to policies and remind the american people that this race is about policy, it is not about personalities-- or it shouldn't be about personalities, it should be kitchen table issues that everyday americans worry about of every stripe, political party, nick, cultural background. so, this notion that donald trump and the political folks on his team feel like they need to make personal attacks, just demonstrate they are losing. they are desperate. if you look at what kamala harris is talking about, we can have a spirited debate about the approach to immigration our

economic policy or inflation, we can talk about all of those things. we do not need to refer to gender, race or ethnic background. for those who are doing that, it is unfortunate, so, absolutely i think she did the right thing to just ignore it and move forward. >> lisa, a few months ago, the trump campaign was saying that they saw themselves taking some inroads with black male voters, and actually, the biden campaign was worried about some of those numbers, suggesting they have been a draft of some, not hugely numbers, but some black voters to the trump side, that, with having kamala harris at the top of the ticket, that changes that equation? >> i do think that changes that equation, kathy, and thank you for that question. one thing that i think donald trump and his team were attempting to tap into was the perceived anger on the part of black men, they are angry, yes. the world is not as we all would have it be for anybody right now.

that is why we need kamala harris in the white house, but at the beginning of this campaign, trump tapped into anger for everybody, even in his former campaigns and when he won we are in a different place and a different space today, and i think kamala harris at the top of the ticket is really a response to some of what is happening in the world today and she is absolutely the right candidates to address black men, white men, white men- - excuse me, black women, white women and to stop it with the identity politics and say this is what matters most. it is not. >> got to call it out. you can read the new piece online for sub stock former wnba president, lisa borders. thank you for so much for being on this morning. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, we will dig into a new documentary series that

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stories from actors, writers, directors and producers who fought to make their mark in the industry, both on and off the screen. joining us now, the director and executive reducer of hollywood black, justin simeon. thank you so much for coming on the show. congratulations on this. >> thank you. >> tell us more about it and explain, i know one when i see one. >> you know, i think-- we were trying to kind of define, what is this thing, called black film? because there is tension around that, like, or we really meant to be thought of as something separate? i don't think so, what i ended up coming to was we defined the film as the black audience, black people, how we use that film in the fabric of our lives. so, i think that is what i would say, i know when i see it. >> one of the things, justin, i thought about, as i saw the

real on the film that you had done is how we have evolved in the country, to where now you can take for granted going to see a black film or who you are, and i am old enough to remember when we would say oh, there is a black on tv, we want to watch the guy on tv. or go to a movie that blacks were in, just to cheer on black. you deal with how the evolution of society works. >> absolutely. to me it is central to understanding where we are right now, and one thing that i felt was anger actually, someone discovering these films, because especially, if you are talking about cabin in the sky, or gone with the wind, some of that stuff was kind of locked away in the past and we are told, like oh, that is offensive it or it sort of represents america at a certain place in time. listen, it represents america at right now, right now o'

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weekend. it is 7:00 a.m. on the east coast, 4:00 a.m. out west. we are just getting started this sunday so let's jump right in. >> i was going through some of these things, some of these quotes. donald trump talking about john heilman. peggy noonan's column in the wall street journal hits it on were donald trump and kamala harris find themselves in this very topsy-turvy political season. first of all, peggy writes, "i continue to believe the woman isn't creating a movement about a movement is creating her and they are showing up. man are they showing up. " mr. trump spent most of the be kevin what a gop strategist said is a "public nervous breakdown." that's donald trump. finally, another telling quote from peggy, and this is fascinating, "for the first time this week i thought people

were wondering about the impact of mr. trump's age. he is 78. he hasn't been able to focus, make his case. is he, in another irony of 2024, turning into joe biden?" the split screens have not been good for him at all this week, john. you look at the polls, you can read these holes that are coming in and it is only august but there certainly is momentum. but, there's also, again, something we haven't seen from donald trump since 2016 and that is the complete feelings of his political instincts to rise to a moment. >> i think you are seeing fear, joe, above of anything else. the last bit of sound were you know, he's letting the democratic convention go

through. i wanted to announce i'm going to allow morning joe to continue for the rest of the morning in the same spirit as donald trump. i have as much control over that as donald trump has over the democratic convention. people addicted this would happen, the thing related to trump becoming the old man in the race, and that the focus, it was that, you know, there was a lot of discussion about this when joe biden was still in the race. people would say, correctly, donald trump is also an old man, donald trump is also slipping, losing miles per hour in his fastball, has difficulty processing as a cognitive matter and they went, you know, say, there is a double standard here and he would say yes, there is a double standard here. i will tell you what the double standard was always. the press is terrible at focusing on two things at the

same time. for a long time, the fact joe biden's affect, he seemed less energetic than trump, gave trump manatt saying a good thing or a bad thing, justifying it, just what happened was people focused on biden and trump got, trump's failings in this area got ignored. we on many occasions pointed out various trump mental failures. now, though, you know, without joe biden in the race, the press is focused on that question and it is much more glaring to people how many failures, cognitive failures donald trump has, especially when he stands in an unscripted way in front of the press and part of it is cognitive, but if it's psychological, part of it is emotional. going back to the same grievances over and over again, the inability to process basic facts, the massive errors he makes all the time, the incoherence, all of those things stand in much starker relief now, which gets to your point i think is the key point in the point that peggy noonan is making, it is the case the

split screen now is a split screen that is much more punishing to donald trump than the split screen when it was joe biden on the other side of that screen. you can talk about how you want the world to be, i will talk to you about how the world is, it is the reality. >> last weekend, you know, last weekend, my kids and i were watching the olympics and there was a local news break and they showed one of these polesitter came out that showed split screen of the two candidates on both sides and it was the first time that i had seen kamala harris , 59-year-old kamala harris, i think she is 59, next to 78-year-old donald trump . and, it was actually, it was quite jarring. politics is all about contrast. that is what i learned in the first campaign school i went to 30 years ago. they said campaign is about

contrast. the visual contrast is striking. you look at the press conference yesterday and the exaggerations and outright lies that were told in donald trump's is conferences, also talking about us a being on the verge of a depression with the united states is more powerful economically relative to the rest of the world that it has been in 20, 30 years. i can go down that list again but there's no need, people know that that is the truth. you have kamala harris siding we love our country . we believe in our country, on one side, and then you have donald trump on the other side is saying our country is lousy. that is, again, going back to peggy noonan and her life's work, regardless of ideology, americans want optimism. they want hope, they want someone looking to the future. the boy that is another stark contrast that you see in

yesterday and in the previous few weeks. >> there's a lot more sunny reagan about the democratic ticket at the moment and then there is about the republican ticket. you see it in the rallies. you see it in the fact that donald trump is not holding rallies, he's doing one rally today in montana in a state where he's 15 points ahead. that is a had to scratch her. it was a case of grievance. that is what we are seeing from the campaign. case in point about donald trump's mental acuity. during yesterday's news conference, he told us some weird story about nearly dying during a helicopter ride. as the 2024 points out, there was one problem with the story, maybe three problems. here is the ex-president yesterday at mar-a-lago when asked about former san francisco mayor willie brown, who briefly dated vice president maga decades ago. take a listen. >> i know willie brown very

well. i went down in a helicopter with him. we thought maybe this is the end. we were in a helicopter coming to a certain location together and there was an emergency landing. this was not a pleasant landing. willie was concerned. i know him pretty well. i haven't seen him in years. he told me terrible things about her. this is what you are telling me anyway, i guess. but, he had a big part in what happened with kamala harris. i don't know, maybe he changed his tune . he was not a fan of hers very much at that point. >> what is the real issue with that story? well, it appears it never actually happened. first, trump was never on a helicopter with willie brown. he's confusing him with former california governor jerry brown. the two don't look terribly similar. secondly, there was never any emergency landing, as trump claimed, and the helicopters

passengers were never in any danger. mayor brown, who, as the times notes, left regaling anyone who will listen with stories said, "you know me well enough that if i almost went down in a helicopter with anybody, you would have heard about it." according to gavin newsom, who was also on that ride, there was never any discussion at all about one kamala harris. for his part, willie brown isn't setting terrible things about harris at all. he remains an avid supporter of hers. to understand why they use the word weird. the group took a helicopter to survey wildfire damage and 2018 in any event we are trump would confuse the name of the town that was destroyed and also claimed the solution to california's wildfire crisis was to "rake the forest floors." do you remember that, joe? that was one of those particular moment. the story didn't make sense, it didn't really happen. the people were different than the people he said it was.

otherwise, we are going to. >> it is unbelievable. it reminds me when we got into that sort of dust up. on the international space station, stayed up there longer than we expected. it was tension city. you know, yesterday, the "wall street journal," editorial page wrote an op-ed talking about how donald trump now seems primed to lose yet another race that he should win. you look at this is conference, you look at the fact that his people just don't want him to go out and give speeches. i'm sure they didn't want him to go out and give the press conference yesterday but donald trump, probably still driven by

that belief "alone can do it," but, again, there is nothing comforting about that. and, again, i go back to peggy noonan asking them question or second for the first time this week i thought people were wondering about the impact of mr. trump's age. he had not been able to focus, to make his case. is he, another irony of 2024, turning into joe biden? well, nothing that happened the past week would suggest otherwise, would it? >> nothing would suggest otherwise. i would say to anyone that joe biden never just started remembering emergency landings with people that didn't exist. even the story in itself, can you imagine in the middle of an emergency landing you start talking about somebody you dated years ago? the whole story doesn't make sense. aside from the fact that he had the people mixed up. then he said that his rally,

january 6th, drew as many people as martin luther king's march on washington. i assume he's talking about 1963 because that is the only march on washington, the king had. he said they said martin luther king had 1 million and i had 25,000. that is what they said. the million man march wasn't until 95, 25, 27 years after king was dead. king didn't call that march. and the fact he would compare the million man march the king march of 250,000 to who he had january 6th and not remember january 6th was an attempt to overthrow an election shows that i think we might have chosen the wrong old man to walk off the stage. morning joe weekend will be right back. right back. your - oops - energy, immunity and metabolism. and yours too! you did it! plus try centrum silver,

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pod save america and former senior advisor to president obama, dan pfeiffer. over the past several weeks, we were talking about the pod bros. goes didn't is coming on? i wanted to ask you because you were there. and, you saw what happened with the obama campaign. and, i was just sending this morning three times in my life i've seen a presidential campaign that was really not about politics is much as it was about a pop culture phenomenon. first was ronald reagan in 1980 near the end of the campaign. you could feel it. with everybody you talk to, wherever he went. other times, 2008, 2012 with

president obama. and, we felt it over the past week. i go out and meet with people that aren't involved in politics and they are talking about kamala harris in a way they just don't talk about politics. it is a well i did leave out donald trump and 16. donald trump in 16 was that way. so, do you feel the same way? are you seeing the same thing, are you hearing the same thing? if so, how did this happen? how did we go from kamala harris, person most democrats were going oh geez, are we stuck with her ? snl parodied, her replacing joe biden, how do we go from that to where we are right now? >> first, i am excited to be here. there was a big debate in the democratic party. we are all unified. happy to be back on morning

joe. second, exact same thing, people i have not talked about politics with in four years have brought up kamala harris and tim walz to me in the past few weeks. they are interested, they are excited, they are watching things. the way we got here is twofold. one, the debate happened, people paid real attention. the fact that democrats and the president are considering taking this unprecedented step of him stepping aside at this point made, raised the stakes of this election, reminded everyone how important it was, how dangerous it would be if donald trump one. then, kamala harris killed it when she started. this has been one of the most flawless three weeks of campaigning i've ever seen. there is excitement i have not seen since obama in 2008. that rally in philadelphia with tim walz, the selection of tim walz. people of tim walz and it has broken through on the internet

in a way that is really awesome. it is engaging people who really checked out of politics after joe biden beat donald trump in 2020 and they are back and that is fine race went from one where donald trump was measuring the drapes in the white house at his convention to an absolute tossup with less than 90 days to go. it is really awesome to see., after tim walz was elected, republicans were lined up and they had two lines of attacks and you heard it not just from the trump campaign but from everybody. one was his military service, they were going to swift him like they did john carrie in 2004. the second had to do with the national guard and him not calling it out and sitting back while minneapolis burned. both of those attacks have gone up in smoke. let me first play for you a clip we played everybody yesterday. this is donald trump praising the minnesota governor for his handling of the aftermath of the george floyd killing. >> i know governor walz is on

the phone and we spoke and i fully agree with the way he handled it the last couple of days. the best example, i alluded to it a couple seconds ago is minneapolis. it was incredible what happened in the state of minnesota two days, three days later. i spoke to the governor and the governor is on the call, he's an excellent guy. all of a sudden, i said you have to use the national guard. they didn't at first and then they did. i don't know what it was. it was the third night, fourth night, those guys worked through that stuff like it was butter, they walked right through. you haven't had any problems since. >> all right, some, that obviously totally undermines. the best example, he talked about minneapolis. this morning, "the wall street

journal," editorial page called attacks on governor walz military service "finger rule. mr. walz rose to the highest rank of command sergeant major. he retired in may 2005." the quote a fox news report were mr. walz put his retirement request in several months earlier. to conclude by saying he served his country. less than 1% of americans serve their country. governor walz served his country. basically, the wall street journal saying this line of attack is bogus as well. so, where does the trump campaign go next with this campaign that is, a marquette paul had him up eight points. we know that is an outlier. they've got momentum. where do they go next with their attacks? >> based on the incoherent, bizarre press conference yesterday, they don't know yet. attacking tim walz service

record is not going to fly. frankly, they are focusing on the vice presidential nominee without any connecting to the nominee itself, that is a waste of time. keep doing that. this idea they are going to make tim walz a gun owning veteran, state champion football coach from rural minnesota to be a radical liberal, that is absurd. i was interested to hear you say they want to have a press conference for the sake of a press conference because that is the sign of a campaign that is flailing. they don't really know how to attack kamala harris in a constructive way that works for them. this is probably why they want to have debates after running scared from a debate a week ago. i think they will probably go right to the old republican, maga tricks of immigration , divisiveness, stuff like that. the harris campaign has come up with really good odds preemptively pushing back on those today. we will see where the trump campaign goes. i know, it seems clear they have no idea where they should

go., dan, let's talk debates. donald trump the idea of doing three with the vice president. he got the dates and networks mixed up. the vice president said, look, i am in for september 10th. that is the one that had been agreed upon previously, the one that was going to be trump versus biden. we will see if we do more than that. let's make sure trump shows up to the first one. what would you do if you were advising the vice president, how many should she do and should one of them be on fox? >> her approach right now is the right one. trump has been all over the map. you can't trust any deal with trump. follow the rules and go from there. it is a great side-by-side for her. what got lost in the conversation around president biden's debate performances, donald trump's was also terrible. he was miserable in that debate, he was miserable in that press conference. if you can get what you think would be a fair debate on fox news and beating on fox news, that would be huge. let's see if he can act like a

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to continue to fight through the months ahead for my personal vindication. most totally absorbed the time and attention of both the president and the congress in a time when our entire focus should be on the great issues of peace abroad and prosperity without inflation at home. therefore, i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. vice president forward will be sworn in as president at that hour in this office. >> 50 years ago today, richard

nixon resigned from the presidency in the wake of watergate. you heard part of the speech from the day before announcing the decision. the scandal began two years earlier in the d.c. headquarters located in the watergate office building in d.c. were broken into. investigations revealed subsequently that richard nixon's participation was in the cover up and remains, to this day, the only american president to resign from his post. bring in chair of the american presidency at vanderbilt university, historian john beauchamp. that, of course, once a shocking moment in american political history. the next day extraordinarily revealing, richard nixon said goodbye to his staff, said goodbye to some of his close friends and in an address where he talked about his father being poor, he talked about his mother and he had this

confessional. always remember others may hate you but those who hate don't win unless you hate them. then, you destroy yourself. historians would say it is the first time she was clad people got to see her father as he really was, as he was sitting there talking personally about his family. the next ordinary day 50 years ago. what are your thoughts? >> president nixon, it was tom wicker argued this and abdul picked it up at nixon's funeral in 1994. anyways, that was the age of nixon. our politics as we experience them now, in a way, are bracketed by both nixon's checker speech in 1952, which was a massive television event at the dawn of the medium, and

the moment you just played, which was this incredible inflection point in the life of the postwar era. i think it was somebody, someone's wife who pointed out that jfk and richard nixon, their rise was the junior officers of world war ii had finally come into command. it is this generational seismic moment where you have this cohort of people who, as president kennedy said, were tempered by war and then guided us through the cold war for good and for ill. nixon, in many ways, represents the best of us and the worst of us. vivid political figures often do. >> coming up, former trump attorney janet ellis cuts a plea deal in the arizona fake electors case. more on that, next. next.

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is it your decision to waive these rights and entered a guilty plea because you are in fact guilty? >> it is. what i did not do but should have done, your honor, was make sure the facts the other lawyers alleged to be true were in fact true. i believe in and evaluate election integrity. if i knew then what i know now, it would have declined to

represent donald trump in these postelection challenges. i look back on this experience with deep remorse. >> that was jenna ellis, a former donald trump attorney when she pleaded guilty in the georgia election case and was sentenced to five years of probation and $5000.00 in restitution. now, jenna ellis is cooperating in another election related case. she's one of the 18 defendants in the arizona fake electors indictment. yesterday she signed a cooperation agreement with prosecutors there who are dropping the nine felony charges against ellis in exchange for her testimony. joining us now, former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. tell us where this entire case stands, what impact it could have on donald trump, if any, or if not, and how important would her testimony be? >> let's start with where this case stands, which is at the

outset of proceedings, we had a series of hearings earlier in the summer where the defendants got to enter there please. shortly after that, the lead prosecutor told a gaggle of reporters, who include msnbc news, "we expect the next steps will be to make simply offers." when he made that statement, he knew he had met with jenna ellis the day before in a meeting that is referred to in these plea documents. that is where jenna ellis laid out for prosecutors , here is what i can give you, here is what i am prepared to say, here is what i know about the events at issue in this indictment. indeed, jenna ellis, in cutting a plea deal, is pleading guilty. but, there will be no charges against her. there will be no consequences for her. unless, and this is a big unless, unless prosecutors find during that june 17th meeting, or at any time in the future, she lies to them about what transpired in arizona. now, with respect to the former president, as you noted, he hasn't been charged yet. he is unindicted co-conspirator number one in this indictment.

jenna ellis's plea deal necessitates she cooperate with prosecutors in a variety of different ways and across a variety of investigations. there is a very subtle suggestion in the plea documents that not only will all of her statements be provided to defendants in the existing case but they will be provided with respect to any criminal case that arises out of a referenced investigation and a reference to grand jury proceeding. does that mean prosecutors are contemplating potentially charging the former president? it could be they are waiting to see what happens in others of these cases, including the presidential immunity decision affects the federal election interference case before judge tanya chutkan, which was just reactivated. >> do you think the plea deal was unusually generous? >> i think the plea deal was

exceptionally generous but she is the first person to plead out here. she also is the linchpin, potentially, to perhaps the person that executors are most interested in hearing from next. that would be rudy giuliani. when you look at this indictment and look at where jenna ellis is mentioned, it is only in relation to her work with rudy giuliani and meeting with arizona legislators. we know rudy giuliani played two parts. one was part of the campaign to convince arizona legislators to have a do over, somehow invalidate the certified results of the election. but, he was also involved in the corresponding and parallel fake electors scheme that was run through another defendant in this case, boris epshteyn. she has been charged with forgery in respect of the fake electors scheme, just like everybody else has. so, is jenna ellis going to be the person who can connect the

dots for prosecutors? she very well may be or she may provide such damaging information about rudy giuliani that he has no choice but to talk with prosecutors himself, something he has avoided in some of these other cases. >> lisa, i was going to ask you about rudy giuliani. if i recall, through most of them fall and into the winter of 2020 and 2021, she was next to him. he was leading the charge but she was his right hand person. putting rudy giuliani aside, we establish trump is unindicted co-conspirator number one here. does this have any potential to plead into the presidential election? obviously, it is a state case but trump is going to argue he has nothing to do with this. even if it were to touch him, that he had some sort of immunity from it. curious for the viewers, can you give us a sense the timing of this and this has the ability or the possibility to

affect the presidential campaign? >> that could affect the presidential campaign, sam, in a political sense. depending on what jenna ellis says and how it incentivizes other people, perhaps, to seek or accept plea deals, there could be some information in the public domain that isn't get common knowledge that could in fact voter behavior. but, as to the carrying out of this exact case, do i think, for simple, arizona is barreling toward a trial before the election or shortly thereafter? certainly not. of done something here other states and the federal government did not, which was to avoid a charge in former president trump. insofar as they have done that, they have a clearer path to pretrial proceedings working more smoothly than perhaps we are seeing in the federal cases and certainly we are seeing in georgia right now. we have lots more to get to. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. break.

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that maybe don't have quite enough to get where they need to go, how is the vice president going to address that? >> we see that inflation is coming down. the markets have stabilized this week. when you look at the contrast between where we were four years ago there is no, there is no contrast. other than we are on the upsurge. the american economy is the envy of the entire world. every country wishes their economy looked like hours and had a bright future that ours has. that is because of the policies of the biden/harris administration. those are the policies that kamala harris will continue and build upon in order to make sure that all americans have the availability to live the american dream, to be able to afford housing, to do good things for their kids moving forward in the future. i am really, really excited about it and i am excited about this team. when you think about the

contrast that we have right now, the split screen, it is a stark contrast. you have our mvp, that is what i called madame vice president, and coach, who are bringing hope and joy to this campaign. on the other side, we have fear and chaos coming from the want to be dictator, who had a mental meltdown yesterday, and his running mate, who is this weirdo stalker guy hume tells his seven-year-old to shut up so he can talk to donald trump. we are focused, democrats are focused on the future of the american people, making sure that everything is available for them to live the american dream. donald trump, j.d. vance are focused on just getting power for powers sake. >> mr. chairman, it seems to me, and i have talked to, as you know, the vice president often. the sustaining of this momentum is probably the challenge. i think that one of the things

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talk about how you maintain that momentum and not be defined by your opponent. >> thank you for that, reverend. the first thing is to go out and campaign. talk to the american people. i have been doing this since i was 16 years old in terms of presidential campaigns. i have not seen the energy i've seen on the ground ever. the only comparison would be 2008. i have the fortune of opening up the rallies in philadelphia and detroit these last few days. i can tell you people are happy. they are dancing. there's so much joy. you just say kamala harris's name and the crowd will erupt. you talk about tim walz and the crowd will erupt. that is because kamala harris and tim walz are giving people hope, they are talking about the issues that are important to the american people.

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she determined that there is a diversity of professional experience spanning the last five presidential administrations. most of you have sworn under oath to defend the constitution. what happens when those in uniform break that oath? >> january 6th demonstrated a false sense of security. >> the next insurrection could involve members of the active- duty is returning their weapons around on the folks they are there to protect. one of the recommendations was to wargame what that might look like., chief executive of the united states of america. >> you have six hours to avert a civil war and ensure the peaceful transfer of power. >> we will be starting a game

in three -- >> we are here to stress test our national security system. i want them to be prepared for the worst case scenario. >> that was a look at the new film "wargame and it follows real former top government officials as the take part in a six hour role-playing exercise. set in the white house situation room on january 6th, 2025, the group simulates a response in real-time to a failed presidential candidate claiming the election has been stolen from him and calling on active u.s. military troop to join his coup attempt. joining us now is emmy award- winning codirector and writer of the film, tony gerber. tony, i will let you explain the inspiration for this. i can only imagine. >> absolutely. shortly after the events of january 6th, three retired journals penned an alarming op- ed in the washington post in which they pointed to the potential for lethal chaos in the military in the wake of a

contested election. no, this alarm was the result of their awareness that the far right had been actively recruiting active-duty troops, national guard, sheriff's departments, police departments across the country and their recommendation was that the administration wargame, tabletop exercise to imagine the unimaginable, to not be caught flat footed again. and, the administration couldn't do this because it is such a partisan issue, which tells you something about washington. but incomes of that voice foundation and ceo janessa goldbach, who picked up the mountain, the challenge and organized this exercise that you see in the film "wargame." >> tony, we know each other a little bit. it sounds like you are feeling less dystopian these days. we have seen a major shift in

the presidential race in the past few weeks. i guess i wonder as we've got candidates across the country trying to get voters to the polls, as someone who creates art, what is it that actually moves people? there is a debate, for example, within the democratic party about whether scaring people about the real threats to democracy is the way to motivate people to get to the polls. what is it that allows us to take someone like donald trump seriously, to take the threat of anti-democratic forces seriously? when you think about building characters in your own work and what moves people, you know, can you talk a little about that? >> i can tell you when jessie moss and i made this film in january of 2023, we found january 6, 2023, we had no idea who the presidential candidate would be. in essence, we've made a film about a what if scenario that everyday becomes more real,

right? and, yes, the film is a touch scary. it has been called, "rolling stone," called it the scariest film of the year. it is not without hope. what you see is a group of reasoned leaders from both sides of the aisle coming together to diffuse an incredibly fine with the situation. situation. provocation for the conversation. a conversation we need to have for our country, because it doesn't end with the election, it is about how are we getting here, how are we standing on this precipice, how are we allowing this to happen? that is it for us this weekend, i am jonathan maher. thinks for joining us, we are back at 6:00 a.m. for morning joe, until then, take care of yourself. good morning, it is sunday, august 11th. the gang