so, there is no incentive on his part. i think we need to up the support for the ukrainians substantially in the coming months and take off some of the restrictions on their ability to do counter fire across -- i think that is the direction we have to go. >> so far the counter measures that ukraine have done, the incursion into russia, the u.s. said it is not violated any of the terms they've had with volodymyr zelenskyy in return forearms and military assets. general, thank you very much for joining us. >> and that is going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right this second. ♪♪ hi there, everyone. it is 4:00. and your governor tim walz just seconds ago finished speaking to

the country's largest public sector union in los angeles. what a difference a week makes. exactly one week ago, governor tim walz joined the democratic ticket as vice president kamala harris's running mate. today he is flying solo, kicking off the campaign swing through five states and delivering a joy-filled master class in strategic and disciplined messaging. something that after last night, whatever it was with elon musk, donald trump may wish to emulate. just watch. here is tim walz bringing the heat, as he addressed one of the country's largest unions. watch. >> i keep saying this. i know you know it. but i hope -- i think it keeps us focused. we all understand it in here. you've heard me say this. i know i'm preaching to the choir a little bit today. but the choir needs to sing. the choir needs to sing. and just so you know who is not in the choir. donald trump and j.d. vance, they seem the world very differently than weo.

the only thing those two guys know about working people is how to work to take advantage of them. that is what they know about it. every single chance they've gotten, they've waged war on workers and their ability to collectively bargain to take that away, all we're asking for is better wanls, better benefits and lives and dignity in the work that we do. >> meanwhile, the disgraced four times indicted guilty or liable and sexual abuse and convicted on 34 felony counts ex president is trying to pull himself out of a spiral. following with what "the new york times" generously described as a glitchy two-hour ramble by donald trump that started half an hour late, included by one count more than 20 false claims about everything from global warming to crime rates and has prompted the united auto workers union to file federal labor

charges against donald trump and elon musk. but trump and elon, to our ramble, show cased something else. something that is becoming harder and hard tore ignore. namely, that more and more when donald trump speaks, he does not sound okay. >> with so many millions of people and it is an honor. and then you do want silencing of certain voices. you -- at gavin newsom, the governor of california. s biggest threat is not global warming and you'll have more ocean front property, right. the biggest threat is not that. the biggest threat is nuclear warming. >> i mean, you could just stop and deal with the ocean front property. it would all be under water. call it a technical snafu, a medical issue, call it a problem with his dentures, age, call it

whatever you want, but we see what we see. and at best, donald trump is having a difficult time enunciating his words. it sounds like -- like it could be any of those things. we don't know. but we're not going to ignore it. either way, the harris campaign summed it up best with their review of the last night's trump and elon musk buddy romp. quote, donald trump's extremism and dangerous project 2520 agenda is a feature, not a glitch of his campaign which was on full display for those unlucky enough to listen during whatever that was on x.com. trump's entire campaign is in service of people like elon musk and himself. self-obsessed rich guys who will sell out the middle class and who cannot run a live stream in the year 2024. it is where we start today with some of our favorite recorders and friends. curt anderson joins us, from studio 360. also joining us host of the

bulwark podcast, tim miller is here. here at the table, professor from columbia university, basil smikle is here. and special correspondent for "vanity fair," molly jong fast is here. the tim walz speech was ending as we all sat down. is there any more of it that we have. let's play a little bit more of that. >> these guys have -- are even attacking me, for my record of service. and i just want to say, i'm proud to serve my country and i always will be. with my dad's encouragement, i guy who served in the army during the korean war, i signed up for the army national guard two days after my 17th birthday. i served for next 20 years for the same reason all of my brothers and sisters in uniform do. we love this country. then in 2005, i felt the call of duty again.

this time, of being service to my country in the halls of congress. my students inspired me to run for that office and i was proud to make it to washington. i was a member of the veterans' affairs committee and a champion of our men and women in uniform. i'm going to say it again as clearly as i can. i am damn proud of my service to this country. and i firmly believe you should never denigrate another person's service record. anyone brave enough to put on that uniform for our great country, including my opponent, i just have a few simple words. thank you for your service and sacrifice. >> bazil, this is something that j.d. vance is unapologetic about. as recently as sunday, he told cnn's dana bash, he will

continue to attack tim walz. governor walz also has -- defended his record and did it there today. but the facts was sort of in -- maybe in this post gaslighting moment here. where the fact is, moments after he was selected, i get a long email from the veteran who is appeared on this program about all of the ways that he worked with and supported veterans. this feels like a fruitless line of attack. but j.d. vance seems committed to it any way. >> it is interesting. the term gaslighting, because it does seem as though all of the usual tactics are not working. they're falling flat. because we're in this space where you have two candidates, one for vice president walz and kamala harris who have picked up on the momentum and the voters wanted this change and this turn and they are feeling deputized

to fill this ticket. and with donald trump, you have former speaker mccarthy saying you need to get back on message. but if you have kevin mccarthy saying we're going to lose seats because you can't stick to the script, then you get a sense that that campaign is flailing. and donald trump is flailing. on the flip side, when you listen to tim walz, you could hear the teacher and the coach in him. he's able to distill these complex issues down to points that are relatable to the points and the coach who is motivating and getting his team out there to say, hey, hope is one thing, but you also have to have a plan. >> he said i know i'm preaching to the choir here, but i need to you sing. >> exactly. because yes, you want to beat donald trump but how are we going to do that. it takes you going out and doing this organizing and getting into your social networks and getting folks out and that is what woof

seen a campaign develop and that is the result of the kamala harris and being on the top of the ticket. but if he continues to do the kind of motivating that he's been doing in that speech, you know, it is getting more people out. >> do we have more of the walz speech. we're trying to turn that around. as soon as we have that for you, we'll play that. the contrast again, a campaign firing on all cylinders and i don't know what the most generous way. trump is -- it is hurricane season. he's a storm. he'll gather more steam at some point and blow back over us. but that moment is not today's news cycle. >> in 2016, whatever trump did worked. but it only worked in 2016. and it worked incredibly well and i think it was -- he got out voters who were those lowe propensity voters who tended not to devote and the hidden trump voter and he was able to connect with those people. since then he struggled and i think he believes he could get those people out and there are enough of them to put him over the top.

and i think the lesson that biden -- that harris has really learned from this, from hillary clinton in 2016, is you can't take anything for grant and you have to get out there and that nothing is a fait accompli. we do see her saying that. that we have to get out there and they just have to campaign. >> and let's not ignore what is happening on the other side. your tweet got all of my attention this morning. writing this, after one nominee dropped out for seeming too elderly, an i don't understand how they publish a 900 page article and technical problems without menging the feature. donald trump's continuous slurring. >> yeah, i mean, it is surprising. i managed to get through half of the whatever it was last night. >> good on you. >> i did my best. well, first i couldn't get in.

and that frustrated me, as well as pleased me that they were having this. and then i thought i would listen. knowing you would call me and i would go on your show. so, i woke up this morning and as i do, read -- >> everything. >> and i was well -- and they're straight main news story, almost a thousand words about this event, and they talk some about the things they talked about. but the writer clearly knew that wasn't very relevant that he was saying the same things and it was stylistic. he rambled and meanders and there were softball questions and technical glitches. yes, this main thing that everybody i know, and thousands of people online, and elsewhere, were talking about it. what is with his voice? they didn't mention. all they needed was one sentence saying, this was a knew fact about his -- his seeming

elderliness or whatever it is. and then maybe get a comment from the campaign. and they didn't do any of it. and i mean, people say well are you surprised. it is the times. i'm not among the reflective times haters in that sense as so many of my friends are. but this just -- once again, i was surprised that they would do this and i don't get it. so, and, but, i heard things like trump say to elon musk, speaking of -- speaking to laborers, you know, i love that you just walked right in there and said you're going on strike. good, i'll fire you all. that is how you, as a candidate, try to lead this new workers' party in america, really get the workers on your side. by saying you're going to fire striking workers. it is amazing. so, yeah, that was staying on

message in a certain sense. that wasn't calling kamala harris a name. but it is a message that i don't think is going to play well. >> curt, let me show you some of what he did say about vice president kamala harris's ""time magazine"" cover. >> she's terrible. she's terrible. but she's getting a free ride. there is a picture of her on "time magazine" today. it was a drawing and she looked very much like our great first lady, melania. she looked -- didn't look she doesn't look like camilla but she's a beautiful woman so we'll leave it at that. >> i don't know -- i don't know. i don't know what the question is to ask of you. so i -- i guess i'll tell what you i thought about. in the robbie kaplan depo for e. jean carroll, they show a picture and it is marla.

that is marla and i don't know which was. maybe it was the alina habba, said, no, no, no, that is -- i mean, he didn't know who he was looking at and who his wife was and who e. jean carol was. he's talking about a cover of kamala harris who he has all sorts of different names for and again because of the slurring, which you point out, it is not clear if he can't remember her name or is using derogatory nicknames and anyone who thinks they know, i don't know how they know. becausee so scattered from reality. but thiss calling vice president kamala harris so beautiful and saying she looked like melania. what is this? >> well, you know, his various descriptions of his daughter, his comparisons of this person who is -- he's in litigation with, etch jean cheryl, this other one looked like his

current wife, it is a new wrinkle in the pathology of donald trump that we could fill textbooks one day. it is bizarre. and he -- you know, as you say though, it is hard to know. is this an impairment or just a different version of getting old. whatever, again, it is another reason why it seemed to be develop vant to the story. it is just after a guy left the race for appearing too old as well as scatter brained and everything else. well this is relevant. so, it was bizarre. so many things, and as elon musk promised, it was a real conversation and it was that. i had a feeling that it was like a conversation he would have with some guy or person at mar-a-lago, right. just going off the cuff and i think this and i think that. look at that picture of the time. and just the stream of consciousness with which he does have conversations with his

sycophants at his clubs and he had a sycophant that is not a member of his club, doing the same thing that i expect the people in the palm beach do. >> so what i think is amazing also, tim miller, is that elon musk makes things that are technical in nature and the platform that was so giveny that curt and the many others couldn't get in is one of the things that he owns. what of the incompetence of all of this? >> yeah, well, he's working on that neurolink, which is a chip that he's going to put in our brains apparently. and i hope the team that is working on the brain chip is not related to the team that can't figure out how to do a audio live stream. it doesn't seem that hard. we're having a conversation now. there is not 30 minutes of static before we come on. you could do it on many different platforms to figure out how to do this. so it is a little bit concerning for the brain chip folks. and i think it is probably the technical difficulties led to

the slurring. it might have been a compressed audio issue. hard to know. but to me, like as a political matter, just listening to you all and listening to tim walz and donald trump grossly complement kamala harris's looks and comparing her to other first ladies for some reason, i've just come to -- they're flailing. i mean, he has no message. he does not know what to do. and my colleague mark caputo wrote about this. you remember that press conference last week where he compared his insurrection to martin luther king's i have a dream speech. >> how could one forget that. >> was that last week or two days ago. >> it feels like 11 years ago but, yes, it was last week. >> according to the reporter, they wanted that to be a small briefing where he talked about how extreme kamala harris's agenda is. the typical political thing that you do in a campaign. we're going to have a press call and our message is the other

candidate is extreme. here is three bullet points and take one or two questions and leave. that is how a campaign works and you do politics. instead he gives that rambling talk. and then he goes to minnesota -- to montana and he complains that kamala harris gives the same message all of the time, and boring, no, that is how politics works. so he's self-sabotaging in a lot of ways with all of this. and i think it is working out to the harris-walz team favor and you look at that was speech, it is classic politics. he's explaining which issues their aligned on and addressing a false criticism that j.d. vance has issued on him and pushing back on him and here we are and trump is just not capable of that at age 78.

>> it is so interesting that you make the point about the attack on the harris stump speech. i had the job in 2004 of updating the george w. bush speech and we changed the greetings at the top and then i gave them, it was lower tech than today and i'm lower tech than that. so when fox news finally had the gotcha, they believe they have their tape editor and they cut the speech and oh, my god, there were whole paragraphs that were the same. everybody until trump did that for every event, tim miller. >> yeah. it is called messaging. i say that in 2004. i had a friend text me about 2012, they're job was to write two new sentences on top of mitt romney's speech. we want to give someone news so we'll have one piece of rhetoric about whatever the piece of latest news. >> and politics change. i'm open to that. >> that is how politics works.

so that is how i drive a message and people know what you're campaign messages and what your agenda is going to be. and trump isn't, he's too narso cystic, he's a mega lo meiny ac, he wants to vamp and do these personal attacks and go on these strange asides and he wants to brag about things, so his sycophants could cheer for him like they're outside of the mar-a-lago club on the lanny. >> we haven't talked to molly jong fast yet and we have turned around more of tim walz' rally that was taking place just as we -- just ending as we came on the air. we'll show that to you. and also still to come for us, it was less than a week ago, and in that press conference, we've been talking about, that donald trump declared abortion to be this. quote, a very small issue in november. well, in just the last 24 hours,

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dishwashers and waiter and cut over time benefits and opposed any effort to raise the minimum wage. that is all you need to know. you don't have to ask twice. we know who they are. a guy who goes to mar-a-lago, and this is a direct quote, he sits there and tells his friends, you're rich as hell as we're going to cut your taxes. i believe him when he said that. but he also turns around and tells workers their wages are too high. i keep bringing this up. who do you know who is asking to cut taxes on billionaires while stiffing working people? i don't know anybody -- and i'll tell you what, i think there is a lot of people think they're on his side or voting for him, that when you put it to them like that, that is when we need to talk our neighbors and engage. his running mate, i don't know if that was a value add to this campaign or not. but he's one of four senators

that has never cast a vote on a proworker bill in his life. not once. i -- twice a day. this guy can't get it right once nor workers. >> the j.d. advance attacks feel different for governor walz. >> they are such very different men. but i do think the larger message of what you do in uniform matters and that is counting and it is honorable. i thought that was a good way to just deflect it. because the idea of getting in there and arguing about who did what when is pretty disdainful to voters i think. >> this is his first solo event. they now have two extremely effective messengers who could both garner extremely large crowds and donald trump to curt's point was slurring

through a conversation with a friendly billionaire ally and j.d. vance, according to our ohio local reporters, is not a very big hit in ohio. just talk about what each sides have to deploy in terms of political assets. >> when you talk about the crowds, the campaign is talking about the 800,000 volunteers now as a result of these crowds and these rallies. so when you add that to -- doing their first endorsement in the history, voting latino endorsing right after kamala harris became the nominee and putting $45 million on the ground, this is going to be the part of the plan that they are talking about, this ground game that is going to be extraordinary. on the the other side, you have donald trump's campaign and kelly anain conway, like that you need to run like in 2018. one of the biggest difference is

that donald trump has had a taste of power. he has the supreme court at his back and he talks like someone who is going to be the authoritarian and the dictator that he wants to be. the question is, and i think what harris-walz campaign is doing, is that what you really want or think you're try -- >> walz is saying nobody wants that. >> and going back to the teacher in him. to take something so complex, this idea of democracy, this idea of dictatorship and without using those words and looking at what greed they're talking about on that side and we're talking about supporting the worker class and kamala harris has an ad that said exactly that. this is what she came from and these are the folks that she's supporting. so the rhetoric and the money is matching every step of that message, consistency and reputation, the thing that donald trump does not have. >> curt, let me play you some more of this first solo outing for governor walz.

>> you watch our next president as she comes out on stage and she comes out to a song about freedom. when she's talking about freedom, she means your free to make your own health care decisions. you don't need us. you don't need us. and as a schoolteacher, i'll tell you what, children should be free to go to school without worrying about being shot dead in their classrooms. education should be a ticket to the middle class, not crippling student loan debt. here is the thing. we don't have that long to go here. but think about the future that we could create. we know what the past is and what these guys are going to do. they wrote it for us in project 2025 so we know that. that is not the future we want. we want future.

>> hope is the most powerful word in the english language. it was so powerful for when my wife and i have had a child, we named our daughter hope. but hope is a great word and a beautiful name. but it is not a damn plan. we can't hope that we defeat donald trump. we can't hope that we could collectively bargain or hope to protect social security. >> curt, this is, it doesn't matter what party you're in, it would bee hoff the republicans to see this is an extremely effective campaigner who has joined a ticket for someone who is a political phenomenon. i don't think anyone knew that would happen on sunday on 1:40 when joe biden stepped off the ticket. what are you watching news cycle to news cycle in the next 87 days? >> well let's go for next seven.

>> okay, fair. >> you know, that was speech right there was a good performer and a deliver, but the writing of that speech, the way that he warns you, warns the speaker, the listener, here is what they are about but he weaved it right into, here is what we'll do. here is the hope and help we'll provide. and it is seamless, rather than this kind of apocalyptic, look at this terrible thing they've done and communist that will take over. this over the top threats, what the world will be, and but a kind of realistic and properly proportioned sense of here is what they'll take away, here is the good thing it will provide.

and i think -- and i'm interested in so far as how far little either of them and this campaign have been talking about, in these grand terms of the existential threat to democracy. not denying that there is potentially and probably an existential threat to democracy. however, that very phrase, so rand and abstract, i think they believe that it doesn't really have much traction with the undecided or am i going to vote crowd, right. the lessen gauged people. and we're all versed for the people engaged by that and frightened by that, they've got so i think it is interesting that they haven't played that instrument very much. rather, it is tim walz talking about very specific things and now kamala harris is talking about very specific thing, of reproductive rights and so forth. so i think the -- the tethered

to real life-ness of the future and the hope that this democratic ticket to provide, it is just sort of perfect and frankly the better messengers and the political performers than president biden was, i think the subtle nimble accommodation of messages is better than he could do. because he could, again, passionately and sincerely, i started when i saw -- [ inaudible ] we have to save democracy. yes, yes, yes. but all of the thing things that make all of the other kinds of voters wan to vote. >> yeah, i think tim miller, that they either strategically shifted the frame, recognizing that someone smart said to me today, inadvertently recognizing trump as a existential threat to democracy.

you have to be strong to destroy america. and you have to be strong. and this deflate at all costs feels like a political gamble that has paid off already. they took a pin in him and popped him and now he is, as was pointed out, slurring either at a performance level, because this audio file is compressed, or for some other cognitive reason. now that trump is an existential destroyer of the greatest democracy if the history of democratic free people. and it is a choice and they've made it. and it is got david plouffe's fingerprints on it. but it feels very natural and organic to vice president kamala harris, maybe the frame that she's always had on the race. whatever the reason, it is landing. i mean, this is -- you look at people nodding at the freedom sentence and project 2025 and

they have clearly grown the pro-democracy, anti-trump coalition. >> yeah, it is funny, i was doing an interview in a conservative space and i had to hash things out and why conservatives should vote for kamala and i called them a unique demagogue and this maga person said i bet he liked being called that. you're building him up in that sense. and i think in a lot of ways, there is the notions of the harris campaign, where it feels so natural, we're not going back and being forward oriented. kind of implicit in that, mean we're not going back to the tiring bites that we've had over last eight years, that's culture war fights and having to have donald trump be in our brains constantly. we're not going back to that. and so you can't be saying oh, we're not going back and then also be talking about existential threats to democracy. so it allowed to get into the

bread and butter frame. and the tim walz is perfect kitchen table issues and working class issues. that is not a feature for me per se. me and tim walz disagree on some economic policy. i care about the existential threats to democracy. they're trying to get to working class people who have other issues who are concerned about the threats of trump, but have maybe other issues, maybe it is inflation, jobs, economic, you go down the list. he's speaking to them in their own language, you know, in a language that is natural to him about issue that's matter in their lives and just as a political matter, that is just obviously smarter than the alternative. >> because i guess, i kind of comment this same way that tim does. but the problem with only talking about why trump is such a threat, it is not about you the voter. a conversation about trump, even the moat biting, could never be,

even about trump slurring last night, it is still a conversation about trump. >> all central to the voter. they're the ones that you have to move to the polls. and that is what they're doing. and you made a point about strategy and kamala harris and maybe we should give her some credit in this. because she said in one of her very first speeches as a prosecutor, she knows the type. and if she has been behind popping that balloon and saying, and treating us like a jury. how are you going to decide the fate of this country. how are you going to decide this election. let me give you the facts. let me prosecute the case against donald trump and center you in the solution that you are part of if you vote for this ticket. >> and she's the we. we're not going back is very much to everything everyone said and she's not going to take us back. curt anderson and tim miller and braz bazil, thank you. molly sticks around. when we come back. the message half a million

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to make your voices heard. >> president harris firing up voters in arizona late last week. as they've delivered their answer on that issue loud and clear. late yesterday, arizona put abortion on the ballot this november. with the most ballot signatures ever for a ballot initiative in that state's history. it is just one of the many, many, many signs of how angry and energized they are about abortion rights. eight states have abortion initiatives on their ballot in november including deep red states like missouri, which certified the abortion initiative today with another three states awaiting certification. and the stakes could not be higher as we learn how dangerous trump returning to abortion rights to states, that is his platform as of late, new analysis finds this, more than

100 pregnant women in medical distress who sought help for emergency rooms were turned away and negligently treated since 2022, including left to miscarry in public restrooms and going into septic shock after an emergency room sent her home and women with ept optic pregnancies. an absolute epic scandal. joining our conversation, mini timerage. we've women in this country, in 2024 dieing in public bathrooms not because they live too far away from the hospital or the untent care was closed but because doctors are terrified because of donald trump ripping away a right that men and women have had sex under for 50 years.

this to me feels like a flashing red light. >> and this is the very matter that was in front of the supreme court just recently in the idaho case. that this court punted and it is an issue that we know should trump and vance take back the white house, they will continue to create more danger for us. so this is the issue that the biden/harris administration and the law that they chose to enforce that multiple state a.g.'s, republican a.g.'s challenged and this is the emergency care statute that allows women in these crisis situations to get emergency abortion care even in states with bans. so all of that being said, it is not over. it doesn't stop with this. should a trump-vance administration take power, they will no longer enforce and the supreme court will have a chance to rule again on this issue and

with this trump appointed court, it will not go well. so it is absolutely a red flashing light. but it is a continuation of an issue we've been covering and seeing in the courts and it is a example of how this court, this radical extremist court is in bed and in cahoots with the future trump administration to allow them to continue these policies and to, this is important, roll back the advancements that a biden-harris administration has put in place to protect women in all 50 states. >> mini, let me read you more about what trump has ushered in for american women. this is from the a.p. report. kelsey norris della cruz lost a fallopian tube after she was sent home after treating her ept optic pregnancy. the doctors knew i needed an abortion but the bans are making it nearly impossible to get

basic emergency health care. in florida a 15 week a pregnant woman leaked amniotic fluid for an hour in broward health. and a woman miss cared in a bubble bathroom that day after the emergency room doctor listed her condition as improved and discharged her without consulting the hospital's ob/gyn. i know you're not a doctor. but you could put into context for anyone who has never been pregnant or had a high risk pregnancy, just how serious and the leaking of nam -- of amniotic fluid it. >> both could result in the death of a patient and completely compromised fertility and the ability to have any future children and both will absolutely end in dramatic health conditions, beyond the two that i -- i can't go beyond

death. but death is the worst. but both could result in permanent disability for the pregnant person in both of those cases. so, look, on my home state of texas. i spent a lot of time there talking to doctors and providers but also in states like florida, also in states like iowa, idaho, and arizona. i was just in arizona. you know, the conditions currently are so bleak that many physicians are questioning whether they could continue to practice any kind of medicine in these states. and they are really compromised ethically for what they could do and how to counsel their patients. could they say you could leave the state and get your abortion right now and is that enough when someone is literally bleeding out or leaking amniotic fluid in the emergency room of a hospital. it is outrageous. it is untenable. but it is been going on for now close to two years, longer than

that in texas. and we have stories that we don't know yet that haven't made it through the press and haven't had representation by organizations like our center of reproductive rights that have taken this case to court. i imagine there are countless more stories like this, nicolle. >> both of those things are -- are terrifying and anect optic pregnancy and it is unbelievable to read the stories in the year of 2024 in america. nobody is going anywhere. i'm going to show you what j.d. vance has to say about abortion. it won't make trump's political crisis any better. that is next. i got to watch her play at her highest from when i was born. from one generation to the next, to the next, we don't stop. i always wanted to know why i'm the way i am. my curiosity led me to ancestry. it breaks down like everything genetically.

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policies, the states will make up their minds. >> certainly would like aborg to be illegal nationally. >> what is interesting, is that there is a lot of chatter that may be too much of a liar and a hypocrite, for donald trump. >> these two have painted themselves into a corner, because the right wants an abortion ban and we heard during the supreme court argument thomas and alito talking about the com stock act but the question i think will be what, you know, if they get re-elected or they get elected in this case, i do think they will do that. but they're going to have to it, because there is really so much of their coalition is anti-choice. >> but so much of the american public is -- by that and so much of the pro-democracy coalition is motivated by making sure that what j.d. vance said never comes

to -- he wants laws to prevent people leaving their state to get health care. we're talking about women dieing in bathroom because doctors are afraid of that. >> but this started with embryonic personhood. this is going to regulate abortion and ifv. and that is part of 2025. they make it so you could not do ivf the way they do it right now. you'll have to be accountable for every embryo, because in this world view, embryos should have the same right as people. >> what about this effort at clean-up, from j.d. vance where everything that he said could be easily fact checked with the last thing he said on these topics. >> i think they needed to be able to pivot to the center to get these centrist voters to get the mainstream and the promise is these ideas are so extreme that most people don't want them. and then you have stories and

these red states, you already have the pregnancies and the women for instance in louisiana, you have women who can't get first trimester medical care because doctors are afraid to treat or be blamed for a miscarriage. so it really is, people are seeing firsthand what these abortion bans look like and it is not good. >> minnie, what is the state of the statewide measures? >> yeah, i mean, right now, they're pretty success. as you mentioned earlier, we just got on the ballot in arizona. missouri has got good momentum. things are looking, even in the reddest of the red states, florida, things are moving and we know that people are with us on these issues of abortion access. but, you know, i think what is important to understand about state is when we go, as a reminder when we go directly to the people, when abortion is on the battol, abortion can win.

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kamala harris, you any it is interesting, nobody really knows her last name. if you ask people, do you know what her last name. nobody has an idea what it is. harris. it is like harris. >> she was indian and then she

made a turn and she became a black person. >> just because -- >> i'm going to hand that man a shovel. hi, everybody. it is 5:00 in new york. when you're in political trouble, you're not supposed to keep digging but trump is determined to stick with that strategy. we're watching what axios called the first moment of the former president trump's came and spoiler alert, he's not handle it well at all. he seemed to feel -- in his standing in the 2024 presidential context. but now donald trump is seeing a new opponent do much better than he is in the polls, get much bigger crowds than he gets at her rallies and bring back momentum and bigger and enthusiasm and money and volunteers and all of that stuff to the democratic party. a former speech writer for george w. bush writes this in the atlantic, the more she

succeeds and the more trump rages. at precisely the moment when trump needs to elevate his performance to a degree that such a thing is even possible, he's go back to erratic and crazed and self-indulgent and enraged, the prospect of not just being beaten but by a woman of color has sent trump in a frepzy in a way nothing else could. the yrk times reporting on how disorients he has become now that things are not going his way politically. nearly three weeks since she became his opponent, donald trump anz his campaign are still trying to define harris and what message to attack her and with what nickname to belittle her. he's so unprepared to handle running against vice president harris. he's recycling the same old attacks that he used on joe biden who he's not running against any more. here is the side-by-side put together by the daily show.

>> the worst president in the history. the worse vice president in the history. >> she's incompetent. >> anything she's touched has been to -- >> she's worse that bernie. >> he's a lower iq. >> she happens to be a low iq individual. she really does. she has a very low iq. >> says the man who walks around saying tomato, tomato. and he goes on, the whole landscape of the campaign has been transformed, the rise of harris cast trump in a new light. he formerly seemed more ominous and threatening which whatever its political draw back signaled strength. and now he just seems not just old but old and pathetic. he's become the political version of fat elvis.

that is where we start the hour with our friends. charlie sykes with me here and at the table president of the leadership conference mia rile is here and donnie deutsche is here and rick stangel is here. charlie, i'm going to start with you. because i've tried to own all of my political culpability, but i want to own this cable host culpability. there is a piece accurately describing donald trump as a lethal threat to democracy and democratic norms that what pete winner did there, seeing if you could tear down american democracy, you may be evil, you may be corrupt, but you were strong. and we talked about this in the last hour, harris came out at her her first event in delaware, and it had the consequence of popping that balloon and

bringing him down to side and all with beyonce playing in the background. what do you make how she's totally reframed any contest against donald trump? >> well, this is why donald trump is so disoriented. because, and why he looked to shrunken, so slow and so -- and so, you know, i'm sorry to say it, petty as opposed to this, you know, this colossal of stride american democraciment -- democracy. and you could tell that he's struggling, he can't came up with a nickname. and that is a tell. but also the fact that he's indulging in fantasies that joe biden is going to come back and show up at the democratic national convention and reclaim his presidency. i mean, you you want to talk about wish casting here. but i think pete winner is right. donald trump now looks like a

smaller man. he looks like an older man. and he is the old man in the campaign. and i do think there is some deep sense of how awful it would be for donald trump to have his political career ended by a black woman. so, all of hi normal instincts, will be to play the birther card, which he started doing four years ago. talking about her race. he's campaign is now putting out blatantly racist memes that really are not dog whistles, they are fog horns. because he cannot figure out how to deal with this woman. and what is amazing about this, is that he's had weeks if not months to prepare for it. his campaign, i think has a strategy for doing it. but as we've talked about on the program, it is the candidate stupid and there is something in

trump's psyche that is deeply troubled by this particular challenge. >> i keep thinking, mia, about the piece of testimony from the january 6 select committee, i think it was cassidy hutchinson's live testimony, where she said -- oh, no maybe it was sarah matthews but he said to one of his aides, i can't believe i lost to this guy. emergency what the testimony will be if he losed to this woman. >> this black, asian woman. with a jewish husband. look, this is donald trump being donald trump. i mean, all that has happened is he has been foregrounded in a way that is his true self. we saw the effort to make him appear as if he was a kinder, and gentler person. and that is never been would he is, from whatever he's projected

publicly. but when it comes to race, beginning in the 1970s when the nixon administration's department of justice went after him for race discrimination and housing, when we heard that in the 1980s, that black employees had to be cleared from a casino floor if he was going to walk across it because he didn't like seeing them. or in 1991 when he was apparently accused of calling his black accountant, talking about his black accountant, hating that a black guy was counting his money. i mean, this is -- i say this because then if you go all the way into how he campaigned in 2016, we're not seeing anything new. >> yeah. >> and when we talk about what happened with the insurrection, look, he has -- every time he's had a black prosecutor go after him, he has lost his mind. and all he was able to do is revert to really offensive name

calling. of black people in elected office chosen by the people who voted for them to do the job they were doing. and instead of being able to come up with defenses, all he could come up with was offensiveness. so, what is really happening here is he's unable to project a persona that is not authentic and we're seeing who he is. and that was harder when it was joe biden on the other side and that is not joe biden's fault. and it is going the way it is going because kamala harris is being kamala harris. and donald trump is being donald trump. >> yeah, i mean, she's always been underestimated. i'm not sure i understand exactly why. everybody -- people sort of in good standing in the democratic party, smart people will say, well she didn't run a good campaign. joe biden was the only one that

won a campaign to win and he became the president. but she got criticized in a way that bernie sanders and elizabeth warren didn't coming out of the 2020 election cycle which is interesting to me. you could run a reel every day of her work on the senate judiciary committee and the people that they was up against, the people carrying legal and policy water for donald trump, bill sessions and bill barr and cavanaugh and she's punctured them with facts. >> we have a hard time in this country, i think, really reconciling whether or not we truly believe black women are qualified and credible no matter what we see. and i say that not as an accusation, i say that because, you know, we've been experiencing it, all of us, last time i was on deadline and -- >> and i was left out. >> i know. but the point is there is a

real -- this is real. that black women -- because you have both race and gender. so women in general, and we saw it with hillary clinton, we saw it with -- in terms of the gender dynamic of how women in power get covered. but when you add in race and gender -- >> let's top this conversation. because i think there is an appetite to fix that and i think there is a lot of remorse about some of how hillary was cover and talked about. and i think you look at all of these zooms and it is started with black women for kamala. but every wanted to be part of it. and i think that is some of getting what you're talking about. the next one was black men for kamala harris. and then the next one was white women for kamala harris. and then not to be outdone, the white dudes for kamala harris. and now republicans for kamala harris. >> right. >> and i think this is the complexity of what it means to be a black woman in america.

because on one level, black girl magic. i just gave you some. black girl magic. >> i felt it. oh, my god. >> we're put on a pedestal on one level, and then dealing with the very real and long-standing stereotypes on another. and both of those things can be true at the same time. that is what makes it so complicated. you can be revered at same time you that could be torn down. which makes it next to impossible to constantly please the chattering class. because, to be able to be strong and confident, but then not angry. to be your authentic self but not laugh too hard. and all of these things. and to constantly have to demonstrate just how good you are, because one of the things that i was seeing and i say this in my role leading the

leadership conference, where we've been focused on voting rights, focused on artificial intelligence. i have seen kamala harris in the room commanding it, not just with facts and figures and knowledge and policy, but with the ability to command that room. that is something that we were seeing that the pundit class wasn't necessarily seeing. so i am not surprised, because i have seen how she has shown up. and i think what you're pointing to, rightly, nicolle, was when the public saw her sitting in that senate seat being prosecutorial, people got it. when they saw her being a vice president, you're not the president. suddenly she was somehow supposed to be the president and the vice president at the same time. and now overshadow her bod. that is impossible. so, a lot of us were watching this thinking, there is

something that we have to work through. but i think it is also something that is real, and true, and exciting in this moment, which is a recognition that she can lead. >> well, i think that part of the story that gets edited out is that she -- she is exactly who maya is saying because there was no time to be anybody else. she doesn't even have time to buy a new suit as democratic nominee. -- he alerted the world and next morning she glides into this role and she couldn't have done it if she wasn't already excellent and hadn't been what maya is describing, loyal to the last nano second to joe biden and she couldn't have done it if the party wasn't hungry for exactly what she is out there talking about.

>> she has overwhelmed any expectation. i mean, didn't know much, i was kind of like, okay, kamala, i guess so. and i mean that. because there wasn't -- >> and i know what you're saying because some of it is the way she did job. vice president. i felt the same way when biden was the guy coming up after obama. it was like the vice president, it is not -- it never gets a chance to shine. what is stunning to me right now is what a loser donald trump looks and smells like. and i don't mean his cologne. you contrast, i'm just going to break it down so simply with a word game. old, new. yesterday, tomorrow. mean, nice. cool, empathetic. happy, angry. it just these visceral -- >> walls. >> and you could assign it to the campaign. and in the most sim police tick

words, it is nottine about the people themselves, but they demonstrate, it is just -- people used the word vibes, it is just the feeling that is coming out both. and i don't know how you fight that. and the more it comes to be that, the more trump drills down into the angry, mean, reactionary, old, loser quality. and there is this incredible visceral contrast that is going on that you can't help but feel. >> well, the piece of it to the -- that is so amazing. two things, one, i've worked on a campaign that was running against both a candidate and a movement. the obama campaign. and you know it. you know it the way you feel a wave. you know when you're fighting not just an opponent, but an entire movement. and i don't know about trump to know if they know it. but the way he's acting that at

a reptilian level he might. and what we've talked about for years, he will actually potential face legal accountability for his alleged crimes and things he's been charged with committing. i feel like that still has a few more acts to play out in terms of his conduct, incredibly detrimental to his politically, in terms of your frame around the winning keeping on winning and the loser keep spiraling. the second piece is this thing that can't be manufactured around a political campaign or a movie, it is so organic. one of the consequences of 8, 9 years of covering trump, is people have all of the information. and i know investigate journalists, what story -- he's now committing things that were front page investigate pulitzer prize winning scoops on his social media platform. so people have the information but the way people are

responding to her is so organic. >> and i want to pick up on something, maya, that is angering me and i i don't like kamala. well why. i don't know, and i think it is because she's a black woman. think there is a soft racism that exists that people see this woman of color and in command and in control, and they don't know how to handle it. most of the country does. but there is part of this country now and i feel it when i talk to people. and it makes me sad. it makes me sad. >> you know, it is sad to hear that for a couple of reasons that are obvious. but i do also want to say, the traditional civil rights movement, the coalition that was the civil rights movement was black and jewish. and kamala harris is very much a product of the civil rights movement as am i and others who parents were that generation.

and for whom that relationship was very strong. but i also agreed sadly that for some, for some, i think there is coding that makes assumption about whether or not there is coalition. but think she's breaking through this to your point nicolle, and that doesn't mean there is not still work to do. that is what campaigns are for. but we're already seeing and feeling the walls start to crumble as people are feeling her. because we know that is part of what people who are asking for people's votes have to do. is be self. >> for sure. i think, we're going to get into -- i forget what we were supposed to do. because i put it aside when i blew my mind. but i think all of the republicans that would have been there for joe biden, part of the pro-democracy coalition and they would have been there for

president joe biden, but they're out there campaigns for her in a way that i think helps ameliorate or tear down the walls that are resistance to her. nobody is going anywhere. we'll get back on topic. we'll bring rick stengel in as we prove the disgraced ex president, proves when the going gets tough, he goes coo coo. and the life long republican mayor of mesa, arizona, john giles. he torched his party, he showed you some of it red for his blind loyalty to a candidate he called morally and ethically bankrupt. and he'll be our guest. ant the first invasion, how the ukrainians caught moscow by surprise. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. and keeping? same.

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you've watched your -- sow chaos and division at every opportunity and that is to say nothing as his record as president. as governors, as governors, he froze during covid and pitted us in a hunger game against our neighbors to try and find basic life-threatening needs and because of him, our neighbors died. by failing to address covid, he drove the economy in the ground. and let's be very clear. the statistk and the facts are clear about this.

violent crime was up under donald trump. >> you could get distracted by the political acumen of both vice president harris and governor walz. but we shouldn't overlook the strength of the facts. that the democrats have to work with in this cycle. >> yeah. i mean, to talk about kamala first and then talk about trump. i mean, it turns out that the greatest gift that she had was after the first year, the president corp turning their attention away from her. dismissing her, saying she wasn't up to whatever the job is, by the way it is a job that no one is ever up to. and it allowed her to get better when nobody was looking. she improved. i saw her at munich security conference a year ago she was fantastic. and she was able to grow without the klee gliets being on her. and i'll stipulate everything you said. but the instant that day that she presented, she used

competence. whatever you think about -- >> and confidence. >> and that sense of joy and suave de viv. and she just had that and then grew and then suddenly she's fully there. it was fantastic. now to talk about trump, and why he is fading. it is like there is a kind of a paradox here. you think well he does no preparation. he accident read anything. so it ought to be pretty easy to change. because like, you know, you don't have anything said. well he can't. he has lost whatever nimbleness and agility he has. the thing from where he's recycling the same thing. he can't get out of his rut. an that is why he's probably going to lose. because he can't actually adapt. >> that is how you feel about the race. do you feel like the race is formed? >> i feel like -- the race is forming.

i feel one of things that she has to do, she has to keep incrementally adding information. he does something different every day. >> but she's taken the lights off of him and i think that benefited him when we were in 24/7 trump's latest outrage. i think part of the reason he's cracking up is that she's shifted the spotlight away from him and on to her and walz. >> yes. and one great things and peace about toxic nassistics is they fear irrelevance. people not paying attention to them. i said this in 2016, we shouldn't even talk about him or write about him. >> it is a thing that we struggled with for nine years now. do you ignore him and then people -- fox stopped carrying his rallies when they started sounding crazy and that was intentionally as welcome. but right now editorally, she's

the bigger story. >> she's the bigger story and he's old and yesterday and she's new and tomorrow. and everything that she does is newsworthy. and the thing that we'll never get back is all of the hours that we've spent trying to think about what donald trump is thinking about something. that is just -- >> or what -- >> he's going to blow off the house. he cannot -- >> wait, what does that mean. >> blow up his ticket. >> what, went, who. >> during the convention. nikki haley. >> and he thinks that he's going to leave the race. >> he needs to -- this train is going so firm and so fast and so on target that he is the most transactional guy in the world will do whatever it takes to derail that train. and that is just something a transactional guy does. >> look, i don't know what donald trump is going to do. all i can tell you is that it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter. because i think you're exactly

right, nicolle. what the harris-walz campaign has done has been to set the narrative about their campaign. what donald trump is still searching for and if he blows up the ticket, it will be -- >> it will look weak. >> what it is. which is desperation and it doesn't change to rick's really important point, that donald trump is un -- is not able to be nimble but also not -- we should just acknowledge what he did in 2016 to win. he upended and flipped the script on the southern strategy. it used to be dog whistle, dog whistle on racism and be a true republican in fiscally and in terms of national security. and trade. and what donald trump did was say, i'm going to be explicit about all of my

isms, but it didn't matter because what he was doing was appealing to a base sadly has been amenable to those isms, but he said i'm going to be protecting u.s. jobs and workers which created something that was very different from what we saw from richard nixon when he really solidified the strategy. this now is out of the window. it is not working. that formula that he had is not working and it is not going to work. and it was an anomaly. he was the first to win the presidency, someone who ran down the country and said the american things that he said. how many campaigns have we worked in that you say the american dream is dead, you're out. well, now, people are realizing, candidates and campaigns are always about the future. and look at that future democratic ticket, look at that

past, the republican ticket that wants to destroy. >> let me bring charlie back in this. one of the things that i think six weeks ago was concerning to a lot of political strategists was the issue of immigration. her ability to do the two things i asked rick about. to sort of put the facts in the center, the facts are that he was going to sign a bipartisan piece of legislation, but i couldn't tell you how many of the republicans things got kicked out of it. president biden was going to sign it into law. donald trump killed it and bragged about killing it. she's been able to put that fact at the center of the political conversation in her rallies and people clap. it is -- it is a provocative piece of legislation. but the idea that she what going to do something about it and trump stopped her is now known by voters.

>> no, this is, i think one of the smartest thing that she's done. leaving aside all of the vibes, she went right after one of her biggest weaknesses and vulnerabilities and went on the offense. and said, look, if donald trump wants to solve this problem, he would not have killed this bill. that is a signal that she's prepared to be very nimble and aggressive on policy. but having said all of this, there is a lot of campaign yet to go. trump aligned superpac is about to drop $100 million in negative ads on her. so she has not been fully tested. maybe none of this matters because of the moment. it is not just kamala harris. it is this moment we're in and i think that the optimism that a lot of people are feeling, this recent of the campaign, and what donald trump i think in his rep

tillan, that donald trump is not our destiny, but he may be a parenthesis. by one man named barack obama and on the other side by a woman named kamala harris and in donald trump's mind, that he may be reduced to a foot note in history. sort of a parren these is as opposed to this massive trade agent has really upset him. >> that is an amazing way to think about it. charlie sykes and maya and donnie deutsche, rick sticks around longer with us. when we come back, more and more republicans are ditching the republican party's standard bearer and backing enthusiastically this democratic ticket. we'll be joined by two of them, including the arizona mayor who blasted his party at that boisterous harris rally on friday night. boisterous harris rally on friday night

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so, would you say in the spirit of the great senator john mccain, please, please, please join me in putting country over party and stopping -- and stopping donald trump -- and protecting the rule of law,

protecting our constitution, and protecting the democracy of this great country. >> it feels as if the four corners of the harris-walz content continued to expand to accommodate an ever larger and determined pro-democracy coalition. one diverse in some cases matters of policy, but one united in purpose. and in recognizing this moment. that is to prevent a coup plotting want to be dictator from ever stepping foot in the oval office again. outer reaches continues to grow even today. we're talking about life long republicans putting country over party. you heard from mesa, arizona, mayor john gilles. now welcome suze man molinari, telling new york one that she believed that kamala harris is

smart, strong, knows how to handle herself on the world stage and oh, yeah, she's not crazy and an argument gaining steam among those who wouldn't otherwise vote for a democratic nominee. joining us now, republican mayor of mesa, arizona, the aforementions, john giles and senior adviser to mike pence, olivia choi is here. mr. mayor, you gave a tremendous speech. i played it yesterday, i was happy to get to play it again today on the occasion of your being here. this is not an original thought but i thought, pointing out, if you said something about john mccain at a trump rally, people would not have clapped and applauded and that having had the privilege of working for him, made me emotional. i mean, to see that the pro-democracy movement and to give credit to the democratic coalition for letting folks like us into it, you had an

incredibly enthusiastic reception there. tell me what this is been like, to be in messenger. >> well i'm a big fan of senator mccain as well. i worked for him as an intern when i was in law school when he was congressman john mccain. and he was very kind to me. i've been the mayor for ten years so the first six or seven years, five or six years i got to work with senator mccain as well. so it is painful to see the -- the way that he's treated by the republican party now. it is shameful. and that is part of what motivates me to -- to speak up. i'm a -- i generally try to avoid partisan fights. it is not necessarily productive to my goal of being a good mayor but occasionally you have to wade into the waters and denending the good name of john mccain is a cause that i'm anxious to be involved in. >> you didn't even stop for the

applause, it just erupted. i want to ask you what conversations you're having, not in front of thousands of thousands of people, but what are your private persuasion messages to republicans? >> well there has been a lot of them. way stopped yesterday in the gym by a couple of young man that had concerns. they were watching a lot of fox news and they were telling me that they could never afford to buy a house now and what am i thinking. why i am becoming a democrat. and there is -- -- multiply that by thousands. all over our country. it is easy sometimes to forget that this country remains very evenly divided and there are folks that are misinform and i think it is important that vice president harris continue to run like she's behind. because underestimated donald trump is something that we do at our own peril. so we do need engage in the gyms

and in the grocery store lines and at churches and everywhere and try to overcome some of the conservative propaganda that is out there preaching that vice president harris is an existential threat to our country. we need to -- to get good information out to people and, again, run like we're behind. >> olivia troy, one of the places where the disinformation that trump views and vance parrot and fox news has paid hundreds of million dollars of disseminating is about the sanctuary of our elections and what brought the first high-profile republican liz cheney and adam kinzinger to the side of being republican lightning rods on the pro-democracy side. what is your sense of how much is achievable in the next 87 days? >> look, nicolle, i'm inspired.

i'm actually inspired by the conversation and i'm inspired by the mayor who is having those conversations with the fox news watchers. because i think that is what needs to happen. we need to be reaching these voters and having these just one-on-one conversations on the center right side. i was in michigan with the vice president last month. i saw her extend that olive branch to republican women and conservative women in that moment and i saw her speak in a way that was empathetic and impactful and understanding of how conservatives differ on the views. but i saw her saying you are welcome as part of the coalition and think that is what she's true i to do. we don't have aagree on anything, but we want a better future for our country and straighten our democracy and we want a better future for the republican party and best way to do that is by defeating donald

trump. >> olivia, i thought so much what was missed in her decision process to select a vice president for her ticket was that what was reported to be her final two candidates, josh shapiro of pennsylvania, and governor tim walz are two of the most successful politicians at a-a sembling coalitions across party lines in the country. in other party. that what josh shapiro has done, with a 61% approval rating in pennsylvania and to have had all of the republicans endorse him when he was running for governor is to be someone doing what you're talking about. speaking empathetically to republicans in that state. and governor walz being the first democrat to win his congressional district in forever and ever. talk about the way they doesn't get credit to do what you are

talk about, assemble a broad coalition in november. >> you're exactly right. when i see governor walz and i saw him in meetings against trump, i saw him behave in a very bipartisan manner. and i think he does represent the working class. the middle class. i think of my dad, he was a life long truck driver and i think he would have as a republican, identify with walz. so we have to trust instincts. and she has very strong instincts and she is smart and knows what she's doing and willing to work across the aisle and i think that is the bridge that she's built with choosing a candidate like that. i think we have to take a step back and just let her campaign for a while. let her get the message out to the american people which is what she's doing right now. and you know, i think you're seeing it. you're seeing people come forward, we've got a zoom rally tonight with republicans for harris with coalitions coming together on this like we've never seen before. we're going to reach out to those nikki haley voters that we

had in the primaries and i think it is important to recognize that moment and give her credit for that for once. i think we're very disparaging of women sometimes in these situations to be honest. and quite frankly, i'm exhausted by it. let's give some credit where credit is due. >> mr. mayor are you planning to speak at the convention. i am planning to aend it the convention. and i would suggest that you stay tuned and check local listings for who the speakers might be. >> if i were better at this, i would be able to pry that out of you and i will respect in the spirit of olivia's analysis. the vice president's schedule. it sounds like yes would be a fair assumption to make from that answer. we'll look forward to that. a rousing speech friday night and if you're inching it, yes, i look forward to seeing that.

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ukraine, ukrainian forces are turning the tables on the russian dictator. ukraine today is continuing and expanding its assault across russia's border. according to kyiv, it's even forced putin to pull units out of ukraine to defend russia. as nbc news reports, quote, the russian leader now faces one of the most damaging moments of his tenure with the kremlin reeling from a foreign power invading russia for the first time since world war ii. rick, it is a stunning turn of events. i think we've had a lot of lessons in the fact that nothing is preordained, inevitable. ukrainians proving that in the most existential way on the battlefield. >> i think what zelenskyy has done is strategic and psychological. from that region, they've been launching thousands of missiles

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