about and trump, god forbid another trump disaster would mean for working-class people. they will go backwards. the last 40 years in this country, since reagan took over and busted the patco strikers, we have been on a downward trend where the rich keep extracting more wealth, they don't pay taxes, they take all the prophets the working-class people generate. working-class people keep getting further and further left behind. that is the epitome of this election. we say it is a who's aside are you one moment. we know donald trump stands with the billionaires of the world and he will do whatever he can to them at the expense of working-class people and we know kamala harris and tim walz are one of us. kamala harris started her career at mcdonald's. she worked her way up.

she got an education, work to retrieve the ranks. tim walz, same thing. he's a schoolteacher. they understand what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck, to scrape together by, to struggle and that is who we need in the white house representing us. >> tim walz, a union member. shawn fain, head of the uaw, appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. >> began of the lesson we had a handoff joe biden was still the democratic nominee? that is not a lie, that is how long it has been. >> it has been a while. >> has it been a long time? it is a short time. time is an elastic rubber band. it is good to see you, my friend appeared one day, we will be reunited in the same studio. have a good tuesday night. okay. it was just a little over a year ago when donald trump got his first big challenger in this election. florida governor ron desantis decided he would enter the republican primary and he was going to challenge donald trump

for the nomination. right out of the gate of the goalposts, immediately things did not go well for the governor, who decided he was going to launch his campaign in a live interview on elon musk's social media platform, which back then was still called twitter. >> great. all right. it is certainly an incredible honor to have governor desantis make this historic announcement. >> it went on like that for 25 minutes. there were glitches and technical difficulties and it was just a colossal embarrassment for everyone involved. in the wake of that train

wreck, donald trump posted on his social media site, "wow, the twitter lunch it's a disaster. his whole campaign will be a disaster. watch excavation mark" that set the tone for the rest of ron desantis flop of a presidential campaign. more than a year later, donald trump is the republican nominee. by all accounts, it is he who is now panicking over his campaign and the surging momentum of his new rivals, kamala harris and governor tim walz. in a questionable attempt to win back the news cycle, trump decided to take a page out of the desantis playbook, which is never a good idea, and sit down for an interview on elon musk's social media platform, which is now no longer known as twitter. the whole thing went exactly as well as it did the first time. from the beginning, the interview was plagued by technical difficulties, which delayed the start by nearly 40

minutes. and, the rest of the interview was not much better. in a rambling conversation, trump made several bizarre claims. he told musk, who was, of course, the ceo of an electric company, that climate change is good because it will result in more oceanfront property. okay. he bragged about wanting to shut down the department of education. that is not a thing in mainstream politics but it is in trump land. he, the man who has been charged with felony crimes for his attempt to overturn an election, accused vice president harris of orchestrating a coup against president biden. without irony. >> say what you want, this was a coup. this was a coup of the president of the united states. he didn't want to leave and they said we can do it tonight's way or we can do it the hard way. >> as ever, donald trump's attack here is your production. we got even more of that when trump made this very strange

claim about a supposed conversation he had with russian president vladimir putin about vladimir putin's desire to invade ukraine. >> again, i said to vladimir putin, he said don't do it, you can't do it vladimir, you do it, it would be a bad day. you cannot do it. and, i told him things that, what i do, he said no way. i said way. he said "no way," and i said way. and then i said party on and he said party on donald. this was actually an episode of wayne's world and not something that happened in reality. it did not happen. literally, everything we know about trump's relationship to dictators is he curries favor with him and he regularly refuses to challenge them over atrocities. even now, in the last week, we are still getting two examples of trump's refusal to stand up

to authoritarians. in her new book "the art of power," nancy pelosi recalls previously unreported conversations she had with trump before and after he met with president xi jinping of china. the speaker emerita writes, "i asked the president to tell xi jinping in the house and the senate, democrats and republicans were united in their concern about the minority in northwest china. about 1 million uyghurs had been rounded up and detained in camps to be ethnically cleansed. after the meeting, president porter back to me that when he asked xi jinping about the uyghurs, he responded, "those people like being in those camps." to which i replied, "that is what authoritarians always say." that is certainly more plausible then the wayne's world stick with vladimir putin

. now, it is fitting that former speaker pelosi is releasing this book as donald trump struggles to regain his footing in this election and freaks out about the harris campaign because a good portion of this book is about how trump seems to underestimate and tries to undermine strong women. as nancy pelosi writes elsewhere in the book, "i've had a lot of conversations with this man, and at the end of nearly all of them, i think either you are stupid you think the rest of us are. " it is also fitting that nancy pelosi is telling her story now because, in many ways, nancy pelosi is a huge part of the reason donald trump is struggling against vice president harris. according to multiple reports, pelosi played an instrumental role in convincing her party to make the difficult decision to replace president biden at the top of the democratic ticket. pelosi alone had the clout and the respect and organizing skills necessary to make that change happen, because that is what she has been doing her entire career. from organizing democrats to take it difficult vote to save

the economy in 2008, to convincing her party to finish the job certified biden's election on january 6th, nancy pelosi has always been the person who helps her party make the tough but necessary choices. and, although that is detailed in her new book. "the art of power, my story as america's first woman speaker of the house." earlier tonight, i spoke with the former speaker about the new book. joining me now is speaker emerita nancy pelosi. thank you for being here madam speaker, it is a pleasure to have drawn the program and congratulations on the book. i wonder, you know, i was struck by the accounts in the book, the number of times you in meetings with former president trump offered him the street, unvarnished truth on everything from impeachment proceedings to the fact that he lost the popular vote in 2016. and, i wonder, as you think

about the fact he is a candidate again, could you share with the american public what it was like to push back on a former president and specifically this president, donald trump? >> the first time a few days after his inauguration, it has always been a historic event. i have been there for a couple of times for barack obama, a vendor for george bush, and now we were going to be there with this new president, wishing him well, even though we would have preferred that hillary clinton had one but he is the president now. and some when we were waiting for him to make his visitation at this historic meeting, i was thinking, how will he begin? will he talk about america and moment in our history that meant something to him? will he quote the bible? perhaps a poetical reference that captures its sentiments the depth of this location? instead, he leaned forward on his arms onto the table and

said "you know, i won the popular vote. " having been in this meeting many more times than my colleagues who were there, i know the protocol. they didn't. so, i decided to break in and say "that isn't true, mr. president. that isn't true. you did not win the popular vote." this is the first sentence that he says as the president of the united states as he accepts the first branch of government. "i did because there were illegals in line, all that kind of stuff." it is in the book i said, i just say this because if we are going to work together, we have to stipulate to fact. if we are going to work on infrastructure, which i believe is one of your priorities we have to know what we, we have to agree on what the ground rules the ground numbers are. "oh, and structure. i have it right here."

he waved something like a tissue or a napkin or something and said i have it right here. $1 trillion, we can pass it right away. right, mitch? mitch says not unless it is paid for, mr. president. that was the end of that. we didn't get the infrastructure until joe biden and the bipartisan infrastructure bill in his term in office. but, the obsession with saying that he won the popular vote, which he did not, size of the crowd, this is so irrelevant, so unimportant. what we want to do is for the people, work together to meet their kitchen table needs, not his fantasies as he leans on the table in the white house. >> it is an amazing anecdote and it also, while it is, i think it is not surprising two

people. trump has this willful denial of reality, there is also a more sinister aspect of that, saying over and over again i won the popular vote in 2016. or, i won the election in 2020 has a serious repercussions. i mean, the idea that democrats stole the election from donald trump came to your doorstep. your husband was attacked as a result of political violence, someone who was looking for you. there are dangerous aspects to trump denying reality. i wonder if you think his grasp on reality is even as tight as it was in 2016 and when are you your self are not, i mean, what is your concern about your own safety and that of your husband, who we send our best wishes to in his recovery? >> thank you so much, alex, and i will convey that to him. the respect he has for you and your family will mean a lot to him that you said that. here is the thing. what the president, it is a missed opportunity, is my point.

here he has assuming this mantle, george washington, thomas jefferson, franklin roosevelt, john f. kennedy. the big heroes in our country, served in this office. you would think he would say something about america. or, hits spirituality, if there is any. his values, his vision. instead, he resorted to that. so, and the trivializing of the office that he holds. and, again, the fantasy that he lives in that he has bigger crowds, bigger votes and all the rest of that. but, the danger that he causes with that because he is the president and, really well- intentioned people trust a president when he speaks. but, that resident did not understand that a presidents words weight a ton. when they land, they have an impact. he has a responsibility to do

something better instead of making the place a more dangerous place to the reporters. if you beat up the reporters, he says at a rally, don't worry, i will pay your legal fees. then, you mentioned my husband. after that terrible assault on my husband, which, of course, imagine what it feels like when the attacker was coming for me and my husband paid the physical price, we are all paying the dramatic price, especially when he and his family and the governor and this and that of the republicans made a joke of it. made a joke. it wasn't funny. in some ways, they are a joke and because of they are not reality. but that's not funny either. so, again, we have to win this election. >> a few days ago, the former speaker talked with "the new yorker" david remnick about her

relationship with president biden following his exit from the presidential race, something she played a significant role in. >> do you think your relationship will be there? >> i hope so. i pray so. i cry so. i lose sleep on it. yes. >> do you think he's angry at you? >> i don't know. we haven't had a conversation. >> here is what she told me about her relationship with president biden as it currently stands. have you called the president? >> i am no longer the speaker of the house or the democratic leader of the house. my communication with the president is not what it had been before when he was president or vice president. i think his legacy is so consequential for america. in two years, when we had to leave majority and he obviously still is but was president

then, we passed legislation that addressed the kitchen table needs of the american people in a very substantial way. >> i also asked her about the controversy surrounding donald trump's running mate, j.d. vance. there has been a lot of talk, especially on the right, especially from the residence, former president's running mate, j.d. vance, who said a lot about children and those with children and those without children. throughout the book, you speak very personally about how you are in a career of public service for the children. children animate a huge part of your life. you have five of them. i know what may occupy the most real estate in our hearts and our heads. i do wonder what you make of j.d. vance's suggestion that people with children should have more power in our democracy than those without. what is your reaction to that? >> frankly, it is dumbfounding to think that somebody would say such a thing.

what is further dumbfounding is that his wife, give her a chance, she is his wife, said he wasn't really criticizing people who didn't have children, who couldn't have children. he was criticizing people for not wanting to have children. what? what is he talking about here? and that people with children should have more rights? what are we talking about here? we are talking about the united states of america. we are talking about one person, one vote. one vote. i kind of resent him talking about the democrats leadership, the democratic leadership has been about childless women with cats. i have five children in six years and seven days. i don't even know what he's talking about and i was of the top democratic woman. now, that is going to change. we will have kamala harris and

it would be a wonderful thing. >> my thanks and best wishes for brisk book sells to speaker emerita nancy pelosi. author of "the art of power, my story is the first woman speaker of the house." we have a lot more this hour. roger stone is back in the headlines for another hacking scandal. ben rhodes joins me to talk about what that means, coming up. first, donald trump still does not know how to run against vice president kamala harris. we will talk about what is going on in the trump campaign. stay with us. ay with us.

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it has been a remarkable three weeks for kamala harris and it is not over. nbc news reports that the harris campaign is transforming its massive rally crowds and thousands of ground volunteers in key swing states. but, it has also been a remarkable three weeks for donald trump, just not in a good way. according to recent reporting in "the new york times" trump has been in a foul mood and complaining about having to start the race over again. the people around mr. trump, the times reports, see a candidate knocked off his bearings. joining me now, politics reporter for semaphore, and and political analyst and former democratic senator from missouri, claire mccaskill. knocked off his bearings. now, i feel like the beginning of the spiral started at the

national association of black journalists conference, we are you were one of the interviewers who questioned former president trump and he gave his incoherent answer about kamala harris's racial identity. what was it like to see him beginning to be knocked off his bearings and what do you make about the weeks that have ensued? >> it was very surprising because i just didn't expect that. you have to realize, i just interviewed donald trump in june. a few weeks before that interview. so, to hear him, you know, with this new attack line about kamala harris's race and her not identifying as a black person or a black woman, you know, now she is indian, it was very surprising. also all of the other rhetoric around the sound and everything else and calling, attacking, essentially, the interviewers,

it wasn't, it was, and was surprising because i didn't, i feel like i haven't seen that since 2016 on the campaign anyway. and, you know, it was, it hasn't tapered off, as you just mentioned. there are reports where he has been frustrated privately. >> it hasn't tapered off. claire, by some accounts, trump is angrier than he was prior to the tragic assassination attempt. yet, reports from inside trump lander, according to msnbc news, "when we put biden's record on harris, the polling will go back to what it was before." that is according to an outside advisor talking about the trump campaign. my question is what do you make of the spiraling that is happening right now in trump land and, going back to what it was before, do you think that can actually happen?

>> well, i think you have to remember what donald trump is. he is a marketer. and, he has succeeded in american politics by building what he sees as a brand, marketing himself as somehow on the side of your grievance, and getting attention. saying things that normal candidates wouldn't say, doing things that normal candidates wouldn't do. when he did that he got so much attention, so much earned media because everyone was astounded that he would say and do the things that he was doing. no all of a sudden he has shrunk. he is no longer the big man on campus. he is no longer the guy everyone is talking about on tv. we are talking about now but if you look at the coverage over the last three weeks, it has been all kamala harris and tim walz. it is there crowds, not as

crowns. there polling, not his polling. what he does when he gets in that position, he gets angry and gets even more crazy. he says even more crazy things like him and vladimir putin saying way, no way. it is just, or that her crowds are ai generated. i don't think this is going to get better. i think it's going to get worse. i don't see any event that will change the trajectory of this because you can't change donald trump. >> i'm surprised, not surprised actually, he has been unable to find his line of attack for harris. some of that is owed to the fact that his two previous opponents, hillary clinton and joe biden, are known entities in politics. with kamala harris, he's dealing with someone that is not a cipher but does not have decades of elected service on the national level and he has not been able to land a punch at all. it really undermines the midst of him being some genius

marketer that can pin the tail on any politician that dares run against him. >> he doesn't know how to run for anything. he's never had policies. he runs against everything. america sucks, china sucks. he's a negative guy. he knows negative works. if you run down your opponent, if you run down the other guys brand, your brand emerges. it's not working because people are looking at kamala harris , they are seeing someone who is smiling and happy and aspirational and hope. they go you know what, i kind of like that better than all the darkness, gloom, and the doom that donald trump specializes in. i think he's got a real problem and he still is so mad he's not running against joe biden. he can't get over it. >> kadi goba , it feels like

there is a lot of reporting, we were talking about young voters that were a problem for the biden campaign. the polling showed there was a real loss of support. it seems like from the numbers we have for their, kamala harris is making up dramatically. the new york times/siena poll in the three battleground states of michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin shows among black voters, harris is getting 81% of the vote, trump is getting 13. among them young voters, harris is getting 56%, trump is getting 41%. can you talk to me a little bit about, i mean, the degree to which this is surprising to you from your reporting and to which you think this is fungible, whether this is support that comes and goes or whether this really represent a turning of the tide? >> i think what you definitely see is a reenergized democratic party.

received some of the base coming back home. some of them weren't happy with the former candidate, joe biden. i think you see some of that. that is where those numbers creep up and tie with donald trump. i will say that republicans will float between 11 and 14% on a presidential election. it is not surprising that trump is at 13% right now. i think the race going forward will be chipping away at some of those black votes. i talked to people in the inner cities in new york and cities who have been impacted by the migrant crisis, they are still a little on the fence about whether or not kamala harris has the, will have a policy that is different from joe biden. while she is gaining momentum, i still think there's work to

do because republicans see an opportunity, especially among black men. >> can we talk a little bit about her strategy going forward? i think there's some vague debate about the specificity with which she should campaign in terms of policy over the coming months i should say 84 days. do you have an opinion on that, whether there should be more policy or whether writing the momentum, the next ordinary outpouring of grassroots enthusiasm is enough to get to election day? >> no one should confuse the enthusiasm for kamala harris for a lack of substance. she knows her stuff. she knows all where this country needs to go and i'm sure they will lay out these policy positions and they will be available for people to look at on websites and think about and research. but, she needs to be careful because democrats sometimes fall in the trap of thinking if i can just give one more detail about how we are going to convert green energy and jobs, if i could give them one more

in the weeds factoid, that will do it. keep in mind, alex, people who are going to decide this election are not high information voters. they are, many of them don't pay attention until the last 60 days of a campaign. yes, she has to have that substance ready to go and she has to answer questions about that substance. but, she needs to keep her campaign where it is now in terms of we are not going back, we are going forward. this is about you and it is not about him. those are the things that will convince those low information voters that frankly decide many, many close presidential elections. >> also, donald trump is leading a republican party with no decipherable platform other than tax cuts for minors. kadia goba, claire mccaskill, thank you for being here, really appreciate your time. coming up tonight, donald trump's wild conversation with elon musk last night leads to a

complaint with the national labor relations board. more on that, coming up. first, new allegations of foreign interference in the presidential election targeting both the republican and democratic campaigns. that is raising disturbing questions about the bills november and also roger stone. we are going to get expert help discussing all of that from ben rhodes, coming up next.

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russia, if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> nearly three years after trump made that statement, the molar investigation concluded russia did in fact interfere in the 2016 presidential election to help donald trump, including by hacking and releasing internal emails and documents that were stolen from democrats. after being informed last week that trump's own presidential campaign had been hacked by iran, his campaign spokesperson declared any media or news outlet reprinting documents or internal communications are doing the bidding of america's enemies and doing exactly what they want. for the record, the fbi is also investigating suspected hacking attempt by iran against the

biden/harris campaign, attempts that were made before president biden dropped out of the race. according to jacob ron, the former white house acting principal deputy national cyber director, unfortunately, this is the new normal, it is just normal. joining me now is ben rhodes, for reading national security advisor to president obama and cohost of the unmissable podcast "pot save the world. should we assume that all foreign governments are somehow involved in our election systems at this point question >> those are the big ones, alex. 2016 probation on this where you see repeated efforts to hack information, to hack and release information, to engage in social media campaigns to benefit one candidate or the other or just to sow chaos.

new normal is a good way of describing it. i should add, alex, and thousand eight, we got hacked in the obama campaign by the chinese. they didn't release that information, that was more traditional spiting. this is a new normal and that is part of what we are seeing. how do you play defense against it, how does the press dealing with it, how do campaigns make sure they don't click on the wrong link or open the wrong attachment? that is the world we are living in. >> it is being reported that roger stone the trump confidant, was used as a stooge, if you will in his email to get into the trump campaign files. can you talk a little bit about your level of surprise that roger stone is involved in another foreign hacking scandal? >> it is somewhere around zero, alex. this is one of the more odious people in recent american political history, but also not exactly the guy i would expect to be engaged in good cyber hygiene. this is what an adversary does. and thinks about duke, who is probably going to be sloppy

with his email, sloppy with his phone, who might have access to other people's information that we want because it would be in his inbox. they found an easy mark in roger stone to try to access documents they wanted from the trump orbit. that appears to be what happened here. we don't necessarily know the motivation. a government might want to demonstrate it can penetrate the defenses of american presidential campaigns. may want to sow chaos within the u.s. political system. it may want to benefit one candidate or another. that is something that is a different assessment. what is not a hard assessment is roger stone appears to have been an easy mark here. >> thank you for putting the words roger stone and hygiene in the same sentence, been. we can't un-see that visual. when you talk about iran's motivation here, i want to go telescope, 30,000 feet out which is the conflict in the middle east. we talk about it shaping voter

attitudes toward a democratic or republican candidate. i wonder how you think, for example, actors in that conflict, including iran and israel, maybe motivated by that conflict to engage in mysterious ways in the american election. both of them have really vested interest in the outcome in november. >> that is exactly right. russia is an easy one. they are in an existential war with ukraine, they know they will get better terms with the united states and less arms, if anyone's if donald trump wins. with iran, what you have to consider is the belief that they are in a conflict with israel and the united states. they believe that this is an ongoing low boil war. feeling besieged, they are looking at anyway they can to lash back out. cyber is one domain in which they are doing that. i see us putting sanctions on them, they have seen alleged u.s. cyber activities against them in the past. this is a part of what they see as a broader conflict that is playing out in the middle east. if they can penetrate either the

harris campaign or the trump campaign, they want to send a message to the that it states that you are not beyond our reach. they have done this in nonegovernmental spaces in the past. we have seen them hack into u.s. businesses, we've seen them try to demonstrate that they have some leverage on us. that is part of what is happening here. whether they have a candidate preference, whether they can do things that impact the election they don't have the kind of capabilities, the scale of capabilities that russia has but they do have capabilities. it is something that we will have to watch and play defense on, just like we are going to have to do against other adversaries. >> every even a whiff of controversy gives fodder to right-wing conspiracy theories. if they can find a way to suggest the 2020 election was stolen by italian satellites and nest thermostats, the factual involvement of a country like iran in the election will give them all the fuel they need for further conspiracies come november. with that note, ben rhodes,

thank you for making the time and explaining this complicated situation. >> thanks, alex. still to come, donald trump faces the wrath of organized labor after praising elon musk for unionbusting. democratic vice presidential hopeful tim walz courts members of one of the biggest public sector unions. that is next. next. stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels. because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away.

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just to be clear, the vice president and i, we know exactly who built this country. it was nurses, and was teachers, and it was state and local government employees that build of this nation. people in this room built the middle class. that's not just a saying, it's a fact. when unions are strong, america is a strong. >> that was kamala harris's running mate, minnesota governor tim walz in his first solo campaign event since joining the ticket, addressing one of the country's largest public sector unions today. for years now, unions have been big fans of governor walz. he banned noncompete agreements, he guaranteed paid sick days for minnesota's workers. he made it so companies can't force workers to attend meetings where they argue against unionizing. of the guy even joins picket lines. walz himself is the first union member on a presidential ticket in decades. another reason i bring all that up is because it all stands in

sharp contrast to the other side of this race thinks about labor. labor. and social media site formerly known as twitter, the guy named elon musk. in the past few years alone, musk fired nearly 80% of twitter's workforce and found liable in court for illegally firing a tussle worker trying to form a union. here was trump's takes on those cuts last night. >> you, you are the greatest cutter, i look at what you do, you walk in, you want to quit, i won't mention the name of the company, they go on strike, that's okay, you're all gone. >> they go on strike, that's okay, you're all gone. today, the united auto workers union filed federal labor charges against trump and musk for that statement.

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kamala harris leading donald trump by 50 to 46%, four point spread within the margin of error. joining me is the chair of the democratic party of wisconsin, it is great to see you. i'm eager to hear what you think of the latest polling, what you attribute it to and how optimistic you are, what is going on in the state of wisconsin that explains this swing? >> it is great to be with you and everyone, alex. this was election day in wisconsin, people voting against gop power grab with constitutional amendments, voting in primaries in fair maps for state legislature, a chance to flip the state assembly this november and break the republican supermajority in the state senate. congressional primaries and the senate race where we have eric hovde who is a flaming disaster, will talk about him in a minute the backdrop to all of this is a surge of

enthusiasm, democrats feeling like they have a chance to fundamentally vote for their freedoms, fearlessly, opportunity for everyone to get ahead and vote against maga and the attacks and abortion ban undermining democracy and afflicting our state. ever since trump won in 2016 by .07 percentage points. young people are getting re- engaged in politics, people that never volunteered before putting on handsets and knocking on doors, knocked on tens of thousands of doors over the weekend, that surge of energy, our job as democrats, keep it going all the way for the next 83 days until the polls close on november 5th. >> do you think tonight would be different if it was still president biden at the top of the ticket? it's not like you're same for lack of a better term, trickle- down effects, halo effect from the choice of harris to be the presumptive democratic nominee here? >> wisconsinites saw the impact of president biden's policies,

they could see the bridges being built, the microsoft ai data center being built in ray s.a.n.e. county, the same place donald trump promised this giant facility, another broken trump promise. crime rates came down after the shot up when trump was president. we had a path to victory, likely to be very close under president biden. the difference now i think is there is a clear sense this is a choice between the future and the past. wisconsin state motto is the word, forward. it is a one-word motto and embodies the progressive spirit of the state that created social security, the medicare and medicaid pack, created workers compensation, unemployment insurance, earth day, the state believes moving forward for future that works for everyone. that is the kind of energy you feel coursing through the states from the state legislative races to the presidential race. >> you talk about the working class, right before the segment we played the sound of former president donald trump congratulating elon musk on his

ability to shred workers jobs at the tesla factory and twitter and fire, illegally or credibly viably, workers at tesla. that has resulted in a lawsuit by the uaw, is that something wisconsinites are going to hear about and vote on? is that the kind of stuff that resonates with the various voters trump needs to win over? >> wisconsin, there's a saying heard around the capitol when former governor scott walker attack unions, that phrase is, union busting is disgusting. it is not something wisconsinites agree with. this was a state built by working people and by the unions, union density is rising after years of falling. where everyone knows unions built the middle-class and republicans try to smash them because they want to rip up the economy and give the pieces to billionaires. when trump talks about firing all the workers striking for better wages and working

conditions, they see their family members losing their jobs. it is something i think will motivate voters to ensure that we elect prolabor, protecting the right organized, the pro- act administration, the harris/walz administration, that will become law and end wisconsin right to work policies, the scott walker era, win tammy baldwin and the presidency and they pass that bill. >> why is eric hovde in your words a flaming disaster ? >> will rogers, the famous comedian and songwriter had this phrase, i never met a man i did not like. eric hovde never met a wisconsinite he did like it he said some meetings, women pay too much attention to what is happening in hollywood, farmers sit on a tractor, don't work hard anymore. seniors in nursing homes do not have the mental capacity to vote, senior mothers lack morals and ethics, young people do not have the work ethic that one did. people struggling with their weight need to face consequences, add extra charges for health insurance. this is not something

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