the last thing before we go tonight, freedom of the press, a major update on an important story we have been keeping a close eye on. almost a year ago, after the children red of the marion county record, a beloved newspaper in kansas, the former police chief has been formally charged with obstruction of justice. the raid sparked a debate about the importance of local news and freedom of the press. marion county record publisher eric meyer had this to say on our show about the support his paper received at the time. >> this is one of those issues that crosses left and right. we have people on the left telling

us about it, people on the right telling us about it, they all say the same thing, this isn't american, this isn't proper, this is improper abuse of power to intimidate someone, it is it is a uniting issue, there are few and far of those in our society nowadays. >> eric meyer will join us tomorrow night to give us his reaction to today's news and share his latest reporting. for now, i wish you a very good night and i will sign off. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up with me. i will see you again tomorrow. it was a little over a year ago when donald trump got his first big challenger in this whole election, florida governor ron desantis decided he would enter the republican primary and he was going to challenge donald trump for the nomination. right out of the gate, almost

immediately, things did not go well for the governor. he decided he would launch his campaign in a live interview on elon musk's social media platform, which back then was still called twitter. >> now it is quiet. >> all right, good afternoon, good evening. incredible honor to have governor desantis make his historic announcement. >> it went on for that for 25 minutes, there were glitches and technical difficulties, it was a colossal embarrassment for

everyone involved. in the wake of that train that, donald trump posted on the social media site, wow, the desantis twitter launch is a disaster, his whole campaign will be a disaster, watch. that set the tone for the rest of desantis' flop of a presidential campaign. more than a year later, donald trump is the republican nominee and by all accounts, it is he who is panicking over his campaign and the surging momentum of this new rival, kamala harris and governor tim walz. in a questionable attempt to win back the news cycle, trump decided to take a page out of the desantis playbook, which is never a good idea, and sit down for an interview on elon musk's social media platform, which is now no longer known as twitter. the whole thing went exactly as well as it did the first time. from the beginning, the interview was plagued by technical difficulties, which delayed the start by nearly 40

minutes. the rest of the interview was not much better. in a rambling conversation, trump made several bizarre claims, he told musk, the ceo of an electric car company, that climate change is good because it will result in more oceanfront property. okay. he bragged about wanting to shut down the department of education. that is not a thing but it is in trump land. charged with felony crimes for his attempt to overturn an election, accused vice president harris, of orkin trading -- orchestrating a coup against president biden, without irony. >> say what you want, this was a coup of the president of the united states, he did not want to leave, he said that we can do it the nice way or the hard way. >> as ever, donald trump's attack is pure projection. we got more of that when trump made the very strange claim about close conversation he had

with russian president putin about putin's desire to invade ukraine. >> again, i said to vladimir putin, don't do it, you can't do it, vladimir. you do it, it is going to be a bad day, you cannot do it. i told him things, but i do -- what i would do, he said, no way, i said, way. >> i said way, party on, vlad. party on, don because this was an episode of wayne's world and not something that actually happened in reality. did not happen. literally, everything we know about trump's relationship to dictators is that he carries favor with them and regularly refuses to challenge them over atrocity. even now, in the last week, we are still getting new examples

of trump's refusal to stand up to authoritarians. in the new book, the art of power, house speaker emeritus nancy pelosi recalled previously unreported conversations that she had with trump before and after he met with president xi jinping of china. the speaker emerita rights, i asked the president to tell president xi in the house and senate, democrats and republicans were united in their concern about the uighur minority in southwest china, 1 million uighurs detained in cans to be ethnically cleansed by the chinese government. after the meeting, president trump reported back to me, when he asked president xi about the uighurs, she had responded, those people like eating in those camps. to which i replied, that is what authoritarians always say. that is certainly more plausible than the whole wayne's world shtick with vladimir putin. it is fitting that former speaker pelosi is releasing this book as donald trump struggles to regain his footing in this election and freaks out

about the harris campaign because a good portion of the book is about how trump seems to underestimate and tries to undermine strong women. as policy rates elsewhere in the book, i have had a lot of conversations with this man and at the end of nearly all of them, i think either you are stupid or you think the rest of us are. it is also fitting that pelosi is telling her story now because in many ways, nancy pelosi is a huge part of the reason donald trump is struggling against vice president harris. according to multiple reports, speaker emerita pelosi played an instrumental role convincing her party to make the difficult decision to replace president biden at the top of the democratic ticket. pelosi alone had the clout and respect and organizing skills necessary to make that change happen because that is what she has been doing her entire career. from organizing democrats to take a difficult vote to save the economy in 2008 to

convincing her party to finish the job and certified biden selection on january 6th. pelosi has always been the person who helps her party make the tough but necessary choices. all of that is detailed in her new book, the art of power, my story as america's first woman speaker of the house. earlier tonight, i spoke with the former speaker about the new book. joining me now is speaker emerita nancy pelosi, thank you for being here tonight, madame speaker emerita, it is a pleasure to have you on the program, congratulations on the book. i wonder, i was struck by the accounts in the book, a number of times you end meetings with former president donald trump, offer him the straight unvarnished truth on everything from impeachment proceedings to the fact that he lost the popular vote in 2016. i wonder, as you think about the fact he is a candidate again, could you share with the american public what it was like to brush back

a former president, specifically this president, donald trump? >> the first time, a few days after his inauguration, it has always been an historic event, i had been there a couple times for barack obama, george bush and now we were going to be there with this new president, wishing him well, even though we would have preferred that hillary clinton had won but he is the president now. when we are waiting for him to make his cousin tatian at this historic meeting, i was thinking, how would he began? talk about america and moments in our history that meant something to him, would he quote the bible, perhaps a poetic reference that captures his sentiments on the depths of this occasion. instead, he put his forearms on

the table and said, you know, i won the popular vote. having been in this meeting many more times than my colleagues who were there, i know the protocol. they didn't. i decided to break in and say, that isn't true, mr. president. that isn't true, you did not win the popular vote. this is the first sentence he says as the president of the united states, the first branch of government and i did because illegals in line, all of that kind of stuff, it is in the book. i just say this because if we are going to work together, we have to stipulate to fact. if we are going to work on infrastructure, which i believe is one of your priorities, we have to agree on the ground rules and round numbers. oh, he says. infrastructure, i have a right

here, he waves a hanky or a tissue or a napkin or something, here, i have it right here, $1 trillion, we can pass it right away. not unless it is paid for, mr. president, that was the end of that. we did not get the infrastructure until joe biden and bipartisan infrastructure bill in his term in office. the obsession with saying that he won the popular vote, which he did not, size of crowd, this is so irrelevant and unimportant . what we want to do is for the people, work together to meet their kitchen table needs, not his fantasies as he leans on the table in the white house. >> it is an amazing and checked out. -- antidote.

it is not surprising, willful denial of reality, there is a sinister aspect of that. saying over and over again, i won the popular vote in 2016 or , i won the election in 2020 has serious repercussions. the idea that democrats stole the election from donald trump came to your doorstep, your husband, paul pelosi was attacked as a result of political violence, someone looking for you. there are dangerous aspects to trump denying reality. i wonder if you think his grasp on reality is as tight as it was in 2016 and whether you yourself are, what is your concern about urine safety and that of your husband, who we send our best wishes to in his recovery? >> thank you so much for that. i will convey that to him. the respect he has for you and your family, it will mean a lot to him that you said that. here's the thing, what the president, it is a missed opportunity is my point.

here he has assuming this mantle, george washington, thomas jefferson, franklin roosevelt, john f. kennedy, the big heroes in our country served in this office, you would think he would say something about america or his spirituality, if there is any. his values, his vision. instead, he resorted to that. it is trivializing of the office that he holds. again, the fantasy that he lives in that he has bigger crowds, bigger boats and all the rest of that. but the danger of that he causes with that because he is the president. really, well-intentioned people trust the president when he speaks. but that president did not understand that a president's words weigh a ton. and when they land, they have an impact.

he has a responsibility to do something better. instead of making it a more dangerous place for reporters. if you beat up the reporters at a rally, don't worry, i will pay your legal fees. and then you mentioned my husband, after that terrible assault on my husband, which of course, imagine what it feels like when the attacker was coming for me and my husband paid the physical price, especially when he and his family and the governor and this and that of the republicans made a joke of it. it was funny or joke because they are not reality but that ain't funny either. again, we have to win this election. >> a few days ago, the former speaker talked with new yorker about her relationship with

president biden following his exit from the presidential race, something she reportedly played a significant role in. >> you think you will have your relationship will be there? >> i hope so, i pray so, i cry so, i lose sleep on it. >> you think he is angry at you ? >> i don't know. we have not had a conversation. >> here's what she told me about her relationship with president biden as it currently stands. have you called the president? >> i'm no longer the speaker of the house or the democratic leader of the house so my communication with the president is not what it had been before when he was president or vice president of the united states. i think his legacy is so consequential for america. in two years, when we had the majority and obviously still is, was president ben, we

passed legislation addressing kitchen table needs of the american people in a very substantial way. >> also asked her about the controversy surrounding donald trump's running mate, j.d. vance. there has been a lot of talk, especially on the right, especially from former president travis running mate, j.d. vance, who said a lot about children and those with children and without children. in the book, you talk personally about how you are in a career public service for the children. children a huge part of your life, you have five of them, i'm a mom myself, they occupied real estate in our hearts and heads. i wonder what you make of j.d. vance's suggestions that people with children should have more power in our democracy than those without, what is your reaction to that? >> frankly, it is dumbfounding to think that somebody would say such a thing.

what is further dumbfounding is that his wife, give her a chance, she is his wife, said that he really wasn't criticizing people who didn't have children who couldn't have children. he was criticizing people for not trying to have children. what are they talking about? people was children should have more rights, what are we talking about here? it is about the united states of america, talking about one person, one vote and i kind of resent him talking about the democrats, the democratic leadership spin about childless women with cats. i have five children in six years and seven days so i don't know what he is talking about and i was the top democratic woman. now that will change, we will have kamala harris and it

will be a wonderful thing. >> my thanks and best wishes for book sales, speaker emerita nancy pelosi, art of power, my story is speaker of the house. roger stone, do you remember that name? in the headlines for another hacking scandal. ben rhodes joins me to discuss that strange development and what it means for november. 84 days until election day, donald trump still does not know how to run against vice president harris. we will talk about what is going wrong on the trump campaign. stay with us. —ahhh! —duck! with dawn powerwash, he can fly through 99% of grease and grime in half the time. oh, my-gration. look at him go! yeah, dawn powerwash is unique. it absorbs grease with three cleaning boosters, removing it five times faster. ooh, for beak's sake, that was fast. and powerwash can replace multiple cleaning products.

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it has been a remarkable three weeks for donald trump, not in a good way. according to recent reporting in the new york times, trump has been in a foul mood and complain incessantly about having to start the race over again. people aren't mr. trump see a candidate knocked off his bearings. joining me now's politics reporter and msnbc analyst and democratic senator from missouri , claire mccaskill. knocked off his bearings. i think the beginning of the spiral probably started at the national association of black journalists conference, where you were one of the interviewers who questioned former president donald trump and he gave his incoherent answer about kamala harris and racial identity. what was it like to see him beginning to be knocked off his bearings and what do you make of the weeks since then? >> it is very surprising. i did not expect that. i just interviewed donald trump

in june, a few weeks before that interview. to hear him with this new attack line about kamala harris ' race and her not identifying as a black person or a black woman and now she is indian, it was very surprising. all of the other rhetoric around the sound and everything else and attacking essentially the interviewers. it was surprising because i didn't, i feel like i had not seen that since 2016 on the campaign, anyway. it hasn't tapered off, as you just mentioned. there are reports of raised that he is frustrated privately. >> it has not tapered off. by some accounts, trump is

angrier prior than he was to the tragic assassination attempts. yes, the reports from inside trump land, according to nbc news, when we are effectively able to put biden's record on harris, the polling will go back to what it was before, according to outside adviser talking about the trump campaign. my question is, what do you make of the spiraling that is happening in trump land and going back to what it was before , do you think that can actually happen? >> i think you have to remember what donald trump is, he is a marketer. he has succeeded in american politics by building what he sees as a brand, marketing himself and somehow on the side of grievance, and getting attention, saying things normal candidates would not say, doing things that normal candidates wouldn't do. when he did that, he got so much attention, so much earned media because

everyone was astounded that he would say and do the things that he was doing. now all of a sudden, he has shrunk. he is no longer the bmo see, he is no longer the guy everyone is talking about on tv. we are talking about him now but really if you look at the coverage of the last three weeks, it has been all kamala harris and tim walz, it is their crowd, not his crowd, it is their polling, not his polling. what he does when he gets into that position, he gets angry and he gets more crazy. he says even more crazy things like him and vladimir putin saying, way, no way or that her crowds are a.i. generated. i don't think it is going to get better, i think it will get worse to i don't see anything, events that will change the trajectory of this because you can't change donald trump.

>> i was surprised, not surprised actually, he has been unable to find his line of attack for harris. i think some of that is because his previous opponents, hillary clinton and joe biden are known entities in american politics. with kamala harris, he is dealing with someone that does not have decades of elected surface on the national level, he has not been able to land a punch at all. it really undermines the myth of him being a genius marketer that can pin the tail on any politician that dares run against him. >> he does not know how to run for anything, alex. he never had policies. he runs against everything. america sucks, china sucks, immigrants suck, everybody, calling people names, he is a negative guy. he knows that negative works, if you run down your opponent, run down the other guy's land, then your brand emerges. it is not working

because people are looking at kamala harris, they are seeing someone who is smiling and happy, and aspirational and hopeful. they go, you know what, i kind of like that better than all of the darkness gloom and doom that donald trump specializes in. i think he has a real problem and he is still so mad he is not running against joe biden, he can't get over it. >> it feels like there's a lot of reporting, talking a lot about communities of color and young voters, which was a problem for the biden campaign, though the biden campaign would deny it. the polling showed a loss of support, which seems like from the numbers we have now, kamala harris is making up dramatically, the new york times siena poll in the three battleground states democrats

have to win, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, among black voters, harris is getting 81% of the vote, trump is getting 13, among young voters, biden is getting 56% or harris is getting 56%, trump is getting 41%. can you talk to me a little bit about, the degree to which a, this is surprising to you from your reporting, and b, you think this is fungible, support that comes and goes or whether you think this truly represents turning of the tide? >> reporter: i think what you definitely see is a re- energized democratic party. we see some of the base coming back home, some of them weren't happy with the former candidate, joe biden. i think you see some of that, that is where the numbers creep up and tie with donald trump to i will say, republicans will float between 11 and 14% on the presidential election. it is not surprising that trump is at 13% right now. i think the race going forward

will be chipping away at some of the black votes. i talked to people in the inner cities, new york, cities that have been impacted by the migrant crisis, they are a little on the fence about whether or not kamala harris will have a policy different from joe biden. while she is gaining momentum, i still think there is work to do because republicans see an opportunity, especially among black men. >> can we talk about her strategy going forward, claire? i think there is a vague debate about the specificity with which she should campaign in terms of policy over the coming month, i should say 84 days, do you have an opinion on that, whether there should be more policy or riding the biden momentum, extraordinary outpouring of grassroots enthusiasm is enough to get to election day? >> no one should confuse the enthusiasm for kamala harris

for a lack of substance. she knows her stuff, she knows where the country needs to go. i'm sure they will lay out the policy positions and they will be available for people to look at on websites and think about and research. she needs to be careful because democrats sometimes fall in the trap of thinking, if i can get one more detail about how we are going to convert green energy into jobs, if i can give them one more in the weeds factoid, that will do it. keep in mind, alex, the people who will decide this election are not high information voters, they are, many of them, don't pay attention until the last 60 days of the campaign. yes, she has to have the substance ready to go and she's got to answer questions about that substance. but, she needs to keep her campaign where it is now in terms of, hey, we are not going back to maui or going forward. this is about you, it is not

about him. those are the things that will convince the low information voters, that frankly decide, decide many close presidential elections . >> good point. donald trump is leading the party with no decipherable platform other than tax breaks for millionaires. kadia goba and claire mccaskill, thank you for being here, appreciate your time. coming up tonight, donald trump's wild conversation with elon musk last night leads to complaint with national relations labor board. more on that coming up. new allegations of foreign interference in the presidential election targeting both the republican and democratic campaigns, that is raising disturbing questions about post-november and roger stone. we are going to get expert help to discuss that from ben rhodes coming up. up. rance pl that's . i'm 65. and really smart later i'm 70-ish.

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russia, if you're listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. i think you will probably be reported -- rewarded. >> nearly three years after trump made that statement, the mueller investigation concluded russia did interfere in the 20 16th presidential election to help donald trump, by hacking and releasing internal emails and documents stolen from democrats. after last week, trump's own

presidential campaign hacked by iran, his campaign spokesperson declared any media outlet or news outlet reprinting documents are doing the bidding of america's enemies and doing exactly what they want. for the record, the fbi is also investigating suspected hacking attempts by iran against the biden/harris campaign, attempts made before president biden dropped out of the race. according to the former white house acting principal deputy national cyber director, unfortunately, this is not the new normal, it is just normal. joining me is former deputy national security adviser to president obama and co-host of the podcast, todd save the world, it is great to see you, thank you for being here. the russians are hacking us, the iranians are hacking us, the chinese are hacking us, should we assume that all foreign governments are somehow involved in our elections

systems one way or the other? >> those are the three big ones, 2016 rocha seal on this where you see repeated efforts to hacked information, hacking release information, social media campaigns, better one candidate or the other, it is to sow chaos. this is the world we live in, in 2008, we got hacked in the obama campaign by the chinese, they did not release that information, that was traditional spying. this is the new normal and part of what we are seeing, how do you play defense against it, how does the press you with it, how do campaigns make sure they don't click on the wrong link or open the wrong attachment? that is the world we are living in. >> it is being reported that roger stone, the trump confidant, was used as a stooge, if you will, in his email was hacked to get into the trump campaign files. can you talk a little bit about your level of surprise roger stone is involved in another

foreign hacking scandal? >> somewhere around zero, this is both one of them our odious people in recent american political history, not exactly the guy i would expect to be engaged in good cyber hygiene. this is what a good adversary does, think about who is probably sloppy with his email, sloppy with his phone, who might have access to other people's information that we want. because of the inbox. they found an easy mark in roger stone to try to access documents they wanted from the trump orbit, that appears to be what happened here. we don't necessarily know the motivation, governments like iran may want to demonstrate it can penetrate the defenses of american presidential campaign, it may want to sow chaos within the u.s. political system, benefit one candidate or another, that is a different assessment. roger stone appears to be that easy mark . >> thank you for putting the

words, roger stone and hygiene, we can't unsee that visual. when you talk about iran, motivation here, i want to telescope 30,000 feet out, the whole conflict in the middle east, we talk about shaping voter attitudes toward democratic or republican candidate, i wonder what you think, actors including iran and israel may be motivated by that conflict to engage in nefarious ways in the american election because both of them have really vested interest in the outcome in november. >> that is exactly right, russia is easy one, existential war with ukraine, they will get better returns from the united states, less arms if any arms flown to ukraine with donald trump. with iran, you have to consider that they believe essentially in conflict with israel and the united states. they believe this is an ongoing

low boil war, feeling the seas, looking at anyway they can to lash out. cyber is one domain in which they are doing that. they see us putting sanctions on them, they have seen allegedly u.s. cyber activity against them in the past. this is what they see as a broader conflict playing out in the middle east. if they can penetrate either the biden/harris campaign or the trump campaign, they want to send a message to the united states, you're not beyond our reach. they have done this with nongovernmental space in the past, hacked into u.s. businesses, we have seen them try to demonstrate that they have leverage on us. that is part of what is happening, whether they have a candidate preference, whether they can do things that impact the election, they don't have the kind of capability, the scales capability that russia has but they do have abilities. it is something we have to watch and play defense on, just like we have to do against other adversaries. >> i wonder, the whiff of

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just to be clear, the vice president and i, we note exactly who built this country. it was nurses, it was teachers, and it was state and local government employees that built this nation. people in this room built the middle class. but it is not just a saying, it is a fact. when unions are strong, america is strong. >> that was vice president,

harris' running mate, minnesota governor tim walz, his first solo campaign event since joining the ticket, addressing one of the country's largest public sector unions today. for years, unions have big fans of governor walz, noncompete agreements, guaranteed paid sick days for workers, he made it so that companies can't force workers to attend meetings where they argue against unionizing. the guy joins picket lines. walz himself is the first union member and a presidential ticket in decades. the reason i bring that up is because it all stands in sharp contrast to how the other side of the race things about labor. last night, donald trump sat for a livestream interview with the billionaire owner of tesla and social media site formerly known as twitter, the guy named elon musk. the last few years alone, musk fired nearly 80% of the twitter workforce and found liable in court for illegally firing a tesla worker who was trying to form a union. here was trump's take on those cuts last night >> you, you are the greatest

cutter, i look at what you do, you walk in, you want to quit, go on strike, that's okay, you are all gone. >> they go on strike, that's okay, you are all gone. today, the united auto workers union filed federal labor charges against trump and musk for that statement. the president of the united auto workers, shawn fain, put out a statement that said bluntly, when we say donald trump is a scab, this is what we mean. the united auto workers endorsed kamala harris and backing from labor unions like the uaw, those backings in specific could help the harris/walz campaign buttress the blue ball states they must win in november. coming up, i talked to the head of the democratic party, the great state of wisconsin about how that race is going, that is next. dd-on trent for eosinophilic asthma

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tonight, the senate matchup in the battleground state of wisconsin is set. trump backed businessman eric humde has won the state's republican primary and he will face two-term incumbent democratic senator tammy baldwin in a race that is crucial for democrats if they want to keep control of the senate. it is also crucial for democrats who want to keep control of the white house. new polling in wisconsin shows kamala harris leading donald trump by 50 to 46%. a four-point spread within the margin of error. joining me is ben wikler. i'm looking forward to hearing what you think of this polling and how optimistic you are. let's start with what's going on in the state of wisconsin to explain this swing. >> it's great to be with youings alex, this was election

day in wisconsin. across the state, people have been voting against a gop power grab with constitutional amendments. they have been voting in primaries in fair maps for state legislature. we have a chance to break the republican super majorities. the backdrop is a surge of enthusiasm. people feel like they have a chance to vote for their freedoms. and vote against maga and the attacks that have afflicted our state since trump won here in 2017 by seven tenths of a percentage points. this shows democrats coming off the sidelines. young people getting reingauged in politics. people saning up to knock on doors. knocked on tens of thousands of

doors over the weekend. our job is to keep it going all the way to the next 83 days until the polls close on november 5th. >> do you think tonight would have been different if it was still president biden at the top of the ticket? it sounds like you are saying for lack of a term trickle down effect. the halo effect. >> the wisconsinites saw the impact of president biden's policies. they could see the bridges being built. the microsoft data center being built in the same place that donald trump promised this giant fox con facility that never materialized. another broken trump promise. so, we had a path to victory. and it was likely to be very, very close. under president biden. the difference, now, i think, is that there is is a difference between the future and the past. and wisconsin state motto is

the word forward. it is a one word motto and it embodies the progressive spirit of social security. the state that created workers compensation, unemployment insurance. earth day, this is the state that believes in moving forward to a future that works for everyone. and i think that is the kind of energy you feel coursing from the state legislative races all the way to the presidential race. >> when you talk about the working class right before this segment, we played the sound of former president trump congratulating elon musk on his ability to just shred workers jobs at the tesla factory at twitter and fire illegally or criminally liable workers at tesla. is that something wisconsinites will hear about and vote on? is that the stuff that resonates with the voters trump needs to win over? >> wisconsin, there's a saying that is heard all around the capital.

and former governor scott walker attacked unions. and that phrase is union busting is disgusting. it is not something that wisconsinites agree with. and this was a state built by working people and by unions. where union density is rising after years of falling. where everyone knows that unions built the middle class and republicans try to smash them because they want to rip up the economy and give the pieces to billionaires. when trump talks about firing all the workers striking for better working conditions, they see their family members losing their jobs. it will motivate voters to ensure we elect a pro labor, protecting the right to organize, a pro act administration which is the harris walz administration that will end wisconsin's right to work policies which are a relic from the scott walker era. >> why is eric the flaming disaster, ben? >> will rogers, the famous

comedian and song writer had this phrase i never met a man i didn't like. he never met a wisconsinite he did like. he said women pay too much attention to what is happening in hollywood. farmers don't work hard anymore. seniors in nursing homes don't have the mental capacity to vote. single mothers lack morals and ethics. young people don't have the work ethic that they once did. he said people struggling with their weight need to face consequences and wanted to add extra charges for health insurance. this is not something wisconsinites want. >> et is great to see you. thanks for joining me tonight. >> thanks so much alex. >> that is our show. it is time for the last word for ali velshi in for lawrence. i owe you a thank you for last week. you kept the home fires burning so i could go on vacation with my crazy children. i appreciate that and you in ways you cannot know. >> it is