appropriate module improvement process. as for his resignation, i find it inappropriate to speculate considering there is no concrete information other than his wife's recent epilepsy diagnosis. so i'd say there's no new information on that front. >> we should also say, a great feature of the state of florida is it has really good public records laws, which clearly you, garrett shanley and the folks at the alligator, used to great effect here and we the reading public are grateful for it. it's a really fantastic piece of journalism. i think we'll be hearing more about this story. garrett shanley, great reporting. thank you so much. >> thank you for having the. >> that is all in on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. >> florida records laws. one of the weirdly bright spots of good governance in the state of florida. >> it's why we have florida man, because everything,

reporters can get every thing, every arrest report, everything thanks to that. >> thank you for florida man. thank you, chris, as always. >> have a good night. today was a big moment. today was a big moment for the democratic party. for the first time since becoming the party's nominee, vice president, harris appeared alongside president joe biden. >> today we take the next step. thank you, joe, forward in our fight. >> thank you joe! thank you joe! thank you joe! >> i served in the senate for 270 years. i know i look 40 but i'm a little bit older. folks, i have an incredible partner. progress has been made. she's going to make one of a president. >> see, it was really pretty

joyful and forward-looking, and also policy focused. the president and their vice president talked about their record taking on big pharma and lowering prescription drug prices. and then there was the republican ticket. today donald trump held a press conference outside his home in bedminster, new jersey. now the event was supposed to be about inflation and trump had surrounded himself with grocery props including several packages of uncooked sausages that sat on a table behind him and 87 degree heat, which is not the recommended place for uncooked sausages, especially when you don't even really talk about the reason why you have a bunch of uncooked sausages on the table next to you. trump only intermittently mentioned inflation and the cost of groceries during his 90 minute press conference. in fact, it wasn't until one hour into his speech that trump even acknowledged the perspiring perishables sitting behind him. he didn't actually even mentioned the rotting sausages.

instead, trump spent the bulk of his remarks complaining about his various criminal cases and making baseless claims about a stolen election, and floating wild theories about immigration. he even took the occasion to dust off his most tired line about immigrants. >> what they're doing is they're taking all of their criminals, they're ringing them into the united states. they're taking their drug dealers and their tran 21s, murderers and every criminal, bringing them into the united states. >> it's been nine years since donald trump came down that golden escalator and announced his first presidential campaign and eight years later his campaign again still boils down to one central xenophobic idea -- immigrants are destroying america. i don't want to play too much of the former president's baseless smears against immigrants but to give you a sense of exactly how untethered from reality it all was,

consider this. >> virtually 100% of the net job creation in the last year has gone to migrants. did you know that? most of the job creation has gone to migrants. in fact, i've heard that substantially more than -- beyond, actually beyond the number of 100%, it's a much higher number than that, but the government hasn't caught up with that yet. >> more than 100% of job creation has gone to immigrants? how does that work? did the immigrants bring extra jobs with them? none of it makes any sense. well, taking questions from reporters, trump deflected a question about his recent praise for the people who fire union workers by trying to skate immigrants. >> don't forget the unions are really threatened by what's coming in by these millions and millions of people coming and. the black population is absolutely threatened. the hispanics population is

absolutely threatened because these people are coming in, they're going to take their jobs. >> not only did trump walk right up to the line of repeating his wildly criticized claims about black jobs, black jobs, he was also dead wrong about how americans unions approach the issue of immigration. over the past two decades the american labor movement has embraced the idea of america as a nation of immigrants. the afl-cio, america's largest federation of labor unions, states clearly and unequivocally on its website, the labor movement is the natural home for new immigrants struggling to achieve economic security and win social justice, and our commitment to building an immigration system that represents the needs and interests of all working people is fierce and unwavering. all of this serves as an important reminder of what this election is going to be about.

no matter how many republican strategists and fox news pundits urge donald trump to talk about inflation, talk about the rotting sausages, stay on message, donald trump is always going to go back to his comfort zone -- racism and xenophobia. yesterday the trump campaign posted this image online with the caption, import the third world, become the third world. it shows a typical suburban home on one side, which is captioned your neighborhood under trump. on the other side there is an image of migrants at a shelter in your city with the caption, your neighborhood under kamala. today in the atlantic charlie sykes wrote about that post, satan the neighborhood post went beyond trump's fixation on migrant crime to highlight his campaign's embrace of the great replacement theory, the fear that black and brown migrants will displace white americans in the voting booth, the workplace, and a neighborhood near you.

joining me now is charlie sykes, the cofounder and former editor at large of the bulwark. also with me is angela reich, cohost of the podcast, the native lands pod, and ceo of impact strategies, and the former executive director and general counsel to the congressional black caucus. charlie and angela, it's great to have you here to talk about a really unfortunate sort of -- i won't even say development because it's been going on so long and reality in the gop, charlie, i'd like to start with what you wrote in the atlantic today. at one point publicans sort of still tried to call this immigration but it seems so obvious at this point that this really is about the great replacement theory. does it surprise you and do you think it is at all a liability for voters that trump is going to have to win in this election? >> obviously he's not trying to persuade swing voters. he's trying to inject more fear and motivation to his base and

i understand that some people will say he's always been doing this, and it's true. he's been playing this card since he came down the golden escalator, and even before that, when he was pushing the birther is a conspiracy theory, what is striking about this is how blatant the racism is and how in fact it comes from the campaign itself. if that post that you were just talking about had appeared on a white nationalist website or a trump supporter, you know you could shrug it off but this is the trump campaign itself and i think it's an indication of the way they are amplifying and escalating a message that not that long ago i think in american politics, we would've recognized as crossing the line of blatant racism. and on earth 2.0 this would be dominating the news cycle. we to be talking about willie horton on steroids. but because it's donald trump it's just another day that ends with y. there's no question that this has become a central theme of his campaign. you watch any of the ads, if you see the social media, if you listen to donald trump, who

basically says -- well not basically, he said yesterday that america has become a third world country. this is a constant theme. no again, not new for him but you can tell that he's moving beyond dog whistles to fog horns and it's not a coincidence that he's trying to tie this carnage to the first black woman candidate -- possibly the nominee for president, a woman with a jamaican and indian heritage, that he's playing all of these cards and you're absolutely right. what he's doing, rather than talking about his vision for the future, is he's going back to play his greatest hits or his ugliest hits. >> yeah, angela, i'd love to get your thoughts on two aspects of this. one, what charlie is talking about, how running against kamala harris has re-awoken trump's worst racist tendencies, but also the sort of even more pernicious element of this, which is he's trying to stoke sort of -- he's trying to further a racial divide within communities of color, by saying black people, these immigrants that are coming over

the border, trying to steal your jobs. he's using racism to gain favor with a group of people that he has already established himself as having a long and racist record once. >> i think what's hard about this is there is part of the black community, there is a part of the brown community, there is a part of asian- pacific islander communities that struggle deeply with what is happening in this country and there are issues that have worked to combat or to traffic in they are taking your jobs, they're taking your opportunities, they are not paying the same amount of taxes as you, because we're talking about communities of color that have been hurting for hundreds of years. so what has been a successful tactic for the republican party long before donald trump is this bogeyman theory and for

the bogeyman theory, sometimes it's an individual and sometimes it's a class of people. in this instance it is a class of people. we are talking about migrants. that term, third world, is normally used to talk about asian countries, african countries, and latin american countries. that is not by mistake. him say in your neighborhood under me versus your neighborhood under, law is not by mistake. that mothering he's been doing since birther resume with president obama is actually, he said he reopened it, it was never asleep and the sad part is there are people who are both fans of him and foes who still have that underling of this other, this person that may be getting ahead, even though i paid my dues, even though i've been here. what they got to do is address the elephant in the room and i dare not call it a bogeyman. the fact is there are people who need to flee political persecution, who need to get out of what is very tricky politics in their countries,

and there are folks who are coming here for a better and a brighter day. and there are a bunch of us who don't all agree on immigration. what we know is that donald trump's way of doing this is highly dangerous. it is highly violent. we saw it already in his first ministration and we've got to be very clear eyed about the fact that he just doesn't like other and that is the same thing he did to president obama. >> yeah. the other. the other ivan is happening across the board, everywhere, and in this casey's rep and icing it to stoke racial resentment. charlie, you know it's like there's been this constant drumbeat since harris ascended to the top of the ticket, from the right-wing, where folks are saying donald trump needs to focus on inflation. he's standing there with the sweating groceries and there's no stopping the essence of trump, right? this is fundamentally who he is and the hires that the trump campaign announced today, including bringing back corey lewandowski, who really literally wrote a book called let trump be trump, suggests to

me that raining this in isn't actually going to be the play heading into november. it feels like it's going to get worse. >> no, and your set up really captured the moment because you look at that scene where he had all the charts about inflation. that is the message. that is the message that republicans and professional aides want him to do. what you saw was a donald trump who is incapable and completely uninterested in staying on message. what you saw is trump being trump. first of all, that was not really a press conference. it was this rambling stream of grievances, insults, fabrications and gibberish, which we've now gotten for pretty much the last three weeks, and i agree with you. i don't see any indication that that's going to change. you can see the campaign trying to make him talk about the economy like they did in north carolina, like they did today, and he just can't bring himself. one other point, attorney george conway just posted a

little while ago that apart from being deranged, trump is an idiot. for a guy who is supposed to be a successful businessman, his ignorance of basic economics is kind of jaw-dropping, and that was on display as well. i'm going to be interested to hear him be on the record or off the record reaction of republicans looking at him and going, you know, what are we going to do with this guy? we bowed the knee to him. we joined ourselves at the hip with him. do we really want to put this man back in the oval office? where is he taking us? i think it's pretty clear by now. >> yeah. like his grasp of basic math and the fact that it's hard -- immigrants are taking more than 100% of jobs, he's working on a different -- maybe just a different time/space continuum, a different set of standards than the rest of us are. but angela, as he's trying to

sort of -- to go back to what we were talking about just a second ago, as he's trying to stoke division between lately arrived immigrants to the country and those who have been here longer, especially in communities of color that are slightly more established domestically, he's also undermining that very attempt by taking on the woman who could be the first black south asian president of the united states and the racism isn't even latent. its explicit. in the press conference he said that kamala harris was unbelievable in terms of her badness. he called her -- he's called her stupid. he's called her radical. he talks about her intelligence all the time, trotting out some of the most poisonous tropes about african americans in this country, a long, long history we have of that. hundreds of years worth. and for donald trump, he cannot quit it, and i wonder whether you think that the whistle is loud enough for everyone to hear at this point. >> charlie said it earlier. i used to say it all the time during his first campaign, and that is donald trump doesn't use a whistle. it is a foghorn.

it is signaling to the grossest fears in this country, the very foundation of them. you already mentioned, alex, this stuff didn't just come out of nowhere. the reason why black folks were targeted for slavery was because there was this idea that we were somehow more submissive and could be coached into and beat into this because of ignorance. our brains are smaller, all of that. none of that is true and all of it is what he plays into. what i think is the truth is donald trump deeply fears how brilliant kamala harris is, so he's trying to psych himself up for this first debate and the debates to follow. he's trying to challenge her in the press because they he knows that he can go on the stage at any campaign rally, press conference, say whatever he wants. he won't be fact checked by most networks. he's not even fact checked on the debate stage. the president said those facts, forget about it, it's just entertainment at this point. he knows that if kamala harris goes toe to toe with him with facts and with her record, that

he doesn't have a shot. no, that is what we are really up against. i think what's scary to me, and charlie, you mentioned this as well, that donald trump is dumb. he's not really very bright. i hate to say it but it's clear that at least half of the american electorate is right there with him. that is scary but i think that we would be also very silly, perhaps pretty ignorance, if we turn a blind eye to what happened before. in 2016, that same electorate elected -- at least in the electoral college, thanks to that, they brought him into the presidency. he got sworn in with that ignorance, that he announced his campaign with the very thing we are talking about today, the very thing this story is about, charlie, is this xenophobia. he came down the escalator and called mexicans and drug dealers. that's the same thing he's doing today because it works. we've got to challenge ourselves about how to make the truth work more than the fiction and the fear. >> it so well said and also, look, demographic change is comp located.

change is complicated. what donald trump has done is exploit the fear around change and brought out the worst in the american public, in that respect. charlie sykes and angela reich, thank you both for your time. i really appreciate it. we have lots more ahead as, harris's poll numbers rise. sodas donald trump sphere about his criminal charges. we're going to get into his latest play to avoid sentencing. that's coming up. but first, j.d. vance made the mistake of taking on stacey abrams and now stacey abrams is here to set the record straight. she joins me, coming up next. stay nextwith us. us. d it on the loaded fries and now your gut is in the gutter. undo it with pepto fast melts. so you can keep on rolling. [bowling pins knocked down] when you overdo it, undo it with pepto bismol.

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mean there's another weird j.d. vance statement to unpack. in may 2021, less than two months before announcing his senate run, vance gave a speech at a maggot affiliated think tank, arguing companies that support abortion access do so to get cheap labor. >> one of the things i've been most frustrated about in american politics is when stacey abrams said about a georgia abortion restriction a couple of years ago that this was a bad bill because it was bad for business. that was the argument of our new corporate neoliberal class and she was right. when the big corporations come against you for passing abortion restrictions, when corporations are so desperate for cheap labor that they don't want people to parents children, she's right to say that abortion restrictions are bad for business. >> you heard vance name check former georgia democratic house majority leader and prominent voting rights activist stacey abrams, and abrams joins us now. she's also, i should say, the

host of the unmissable and very timely podcast, assembly required. that podcast launched today so we are very lucky to have her in her first interview as a podcast host. stacy, it's great to see you. congratulations on the podcast. i'm sorry you had to respond to j.d. vance's name check that i would love to get your thoughts on these allegations here. >> j.d. vance misrepresents, misunderstands and misappropriates information to make himself look or feel better and to try to excuse terrible decisions that he makes. what i said and what i mean is that women should have the right to control their bodies, because it determines how they secure an education, how they make a living, how they decide to grow families, and that companies are going to make terrible choices if they support restricting those rights. women make decisions about not only where they work but what they buy and if we have companies that do not respect a woman's basic human rights, the

right to abortion, the right to healthcare, than those companies are making poor economic choices. but even more, the notion that women would make these decisions because of some concern about the trade-off between parenting and having a job presumes that you understand the crisis that women are going through when they make these choices. j.d. vance has shown again and again he has almost no sympathy for how women experience life in america, and he has demonstrated again and again that he reduces women to the least and most puerile notion of our humanity, and i would encourage everyone to discard and disregard what he says. >> i also think, you know, as he has been made to explain his words of the recent past and some of the most appalling charges he's made or theories he's floated, he's gone back to

this -- what for him i think is a safe space where he talks about being a parent and he just wants to make life easier for parents in america. and yet he stands on top of a ticket that has no interest in providing services or support for mothers and fathers and errands in the workplace or otherwise, and it just seems like he's betting on ignorance all around with this, stacy. >> not only is he betting on ignorance, he is supporting and supporting those who engage in this antithetical behavior. if he is that concerned, i encourage him to call on governor brian kemp to accept the ebt funding to pay for poor children to have lunches. right now we have a republican governor, a strong lieutenant of this ticket, who is refusing to accept paid lunches for children, for poor children in the state of georgia. not because we can't afford it, but because he doesn't believe they deserve it. that's the kind of decision- making that we face when men like j.d. vance, who like to lean on

parenthood as a construct, but not the practical realities of taking care of the children brought into this world, that are caused by the laws that they pass and that they champion. if brian kemp and j.d. vance want women to have families, then you have to be there for the entirety of the decision. you can't intercede in one moment and then advocate responsibility the rest of the time. >> you know you bring up brian kemp and the state of georgia, and i do have to ask you, given your background and expertise, how you see all of this playing out in your state where the latest polling has kamala harris tied and neck with donald trump, 48%. this is going to be a very close race. for some, back when biden was on the ticket, i think a lot of democrats had given up on georgia but the race has tightened, but it's still neck and neck. can you talk a little bit about the change you've seen since the vice president has taken the top of the ticket, and what your level of optimism is for democrats in the state? >> we've gotten to see a lot of

vice president harris from the very beginning of this campaign. she understands how critical georgia is. she understands that battleground state does not mean there's an automatic win or loss. it means you've got to fight and she believes that this is the fight worth fighting. she understands that we are the most diverse of the battleground states, that we represent what america looks like and will look like, and she's willing to do the work to engage those voters. i was a very strong supporter of president biden. i am an incredibly strong supporter of vice president harris, because they both understand that what we represent in georgia is the future. when we fight, not only do we win, we create the type of change necessary to bring everyone along. while the trump/vance ticket is looking backwards and trying to return us to a halcion day of women without rights and without respect, vice president harris and governor walz are fighting for a future where we are all respected, we are all included, and where we can all win. >> you know, i mean i hear your

optimism and i hear your deep and enthusiastic support for the ticket. i wonder, though, if you could put on your voting access hat for a second, if you could talk to me about your level of trepidation about actual election day. given the fact that i believe the georgia legislature, the election board in georgia just past two rules, one of which allows election officials, some of whom are very magnified, and are election deniers themselves, to arbitrarily refuse to certify the election results. and therefore, you know, opens the door to a lot of chicanery in terms of certifying the statewide results. what your level of concern about that as we barrel towards election day? >> its deep concern but it's a deep concern that i've held for several years. this is brian kemp's baby. this is his state election board. he signed the laws to give this

elections board the ability to run amok, to not only refuse to certify elections but to enable mass challenges at the county level. we have a secretary of state that has a cancel your voter registration website that is unfortunately violated access to data privacy, at least once, that we know of. so i want us to understand that the fight in georgia is a fight to protect and defend the right to vote. i am so proud of the work that their fight continues to do, working with allies across the state and around the country to lift up what's at stake. i'm not optimistic. i am determined. i believe that we can get this done, because we've done it before, and we didn't do so ignoring the reality of voter suppression. we did so by calling it out, by confronting it, by making certain that voters understood all of their rights, and by doing what we could to raise public alarm. and while this is happening in georgia, we've got to be watching states across the country that are going to face similar challenges. voter suppression remains one of the top tools the republicans use in order to win elections, and we've got to push back by demanding free and

fair elections where we can. and so while i am very bullish on the capacity of vice president harris to win georgia, i know it's only going to happen if we do the work necessary to raise the alarm, but also to hold accountable governor kemp, secretary of state ratzenberger and that state election board that wants to have the ability without -- i mean with impunity, to actually decertify election results. this is not just a maga playbook. this is a republican playbook because republicans right now can demand better action in the state of georgia. they are refusing to because they are triangulating. they want to have credit for not committing treason in 2020 but they want the benefit of not having to certify elections in 24. we have to hold everyone accountable for free and fair elections starting at the top. >> you, you're either for free and fair elections or you're not. stacey abrams, your

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we are just about one month from donald trump's scheduled sentencing in new york on 34 felony counts related to his hush money payments to adult film star stormy daniels, and the possibility of prison is apparently looming very large in donald trump's mind. in a roughly 6 minute long rants during a freewheeling press conference today, trump repeatedly accused his political opponents of trying to lock him up. >> they want a sentence right before the election takes place. let's sentence him because he was going to vote for him if we sentence him. let's sentence him right before. no. this is interference with a presidential election. >> but from preferring to his

impending sentencing as election interference is not just talk. trump's attorneys today asked judge juan marsh on to postpone trump to up sentencing until after the november election. joining me now is melissa murray, msnbc legal analyst and cohost of the indispensable legal podcast strict scrutiny. melissa, let's just talk about what's happening here. it's been a minute since we've talked about trump's legal peril but it's clearly something that he's been thinking about a lot, especially us, harris's poll numbers go up. the first i want to ask you is this idea that the supreme court's ruling on immunity would have an effect on the ruling that judge merchan -- the guilty ruling in alvin bragg's case against trump. do you think there is any there, there? do you think there is reason to be concerned that the immunity ruling will affect this case? >> i think, alex, we have to be pretty worried about this. as we said when the supreme

court issued that decision at the end of its term, it was far more sweeping than anyone anticipated, and one of the things that the court made clear was not only was a president immune from liability for criminal acts that fell within his official duties, he was also shielded from the use of evidence related to official acts in order to prove other crimes, even if those crimes were outside the scope of official duties, and that's basically the crux of the argument around the new york hush money case. what trump is arguing is that key pieces of evidence that the prosecution submitted to the jury, evidence that was used to establish his guilt on those 34 counts were official act evidence that should not have been shown to a jury. and if that's the case, and if he is correct, and if the judge agrees with him, then that means those convictions essentially crumble. so it's a big question whether or not judge merchan buys it.

it does mean that donald trump has some room here, not only to press this argument, but then to appeal it if it doesn't go his way with judge merchan, perhaps even to appeal it all the way back to the united states supreme court for a decision there. so i will take this very seriously. >> play along with me, if you will for a moment, that the case moves forward, the sentencing moves forward. as part of that sentencing, the das office would have to issue a kind of a public memo, i believe, that would have information in it related to the trial and stuff that hasn't been made public yet, donald trump's legal team very much does not want to see released, especially in september before a november election. do you think they have a case to be made here that releasing that memo would be, i think it is politically prejudicial to president trump? >> again i think the devil is in the details, alex. we don't know what would be in that recommendation memo from the da's office to the judge. i think that's one of the things that judge merchan has to way here. impressing this argument to delay the sentencing until after the election, trump's

lawyers have made a couple of arguments. so one, that having a sentencing just as early balloting is happening or early voting is happening in many states would influence the election unduly. so we've already heard that argument. the second argument relates to the recommendation memo that there's information here that really shouldn't be seen by the voting public. it's too prejudicial. that's something i think judge merchan is going to have to weigh. the third argument is that they are inspecting a decision from judge merchan on september 16 about whether or not those arguments around immunity and the evidence he used in the case are actually holding water and they believe that if it doesn't go their way, having a sentencing on just september 18, just two days later, doesn't give them enough time to prepare an appeal or to deal with all of the repercussions that come from the decision on immunity. so there are a lot of different moving parts to this request to delay and the real question is, i think, whether or not alvin bragg and his office is going to oppose this motion to delay the sentencing. they've already acquiesced shortly after the immunity

decision to delay in order to deal with the question of what the immunity decision means, and i think if they don't object here, judge merchan is likely to delay this going forward. but again, i think it does come down to whether or not they decide to object. >> so it's been a minute since we talked about trump's legal peril, as we talked about, and a lot of it, as you point out, may be pushed off to a later date but the reality is we are going to be talking about crimes and indictments in september and presumably october of an election year. and boy, that is an x factor we have not seen in american politics yet. melissa murray, we have more to talk about, unsurprisingly. please hang with me for a few more minutes if you can, because coming up, donald trump is pleading ignorance about project 2025. but a new video shows one of its leaders saying he has trump's lessing to reshape the federal government. how exactly does that arrangement work? we are going to talk about that next. next. ry action hero ... the nemesis. -it appears that despite my sinister efforts, employees are still managing their own hr

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everything he can to pretend he doesn't know about project 2025, or project 25, as he calls it. and there is good reason for that. project 2025, also known as the presidential transition project, is just that. it is the plan for what trump might do if he retakes the white house. it is an extreme right wing roadmap for a second trump administration, put together by a consortium of conservative groups and it is filled with stuff like this -- >> i think you have to rehabilitate christian nationalism, the largest deportation in history. pull out funding for planned parenthood. i want to be the person who crushes the deep state. >> this is russell vought. he led the office of management and budget in the last trump administration and he was the policy director for the republican national committee's platform committee just last month. he is one of the main architects of project 2025. today a british organization called the center for climate reporting released footage of russell vought that they

secretly taped last month while pretending they were potential voters to vote's group. listen to how mr. vote talks about trump's attempt to distance himself from project 2025 one-vote things he's talking to conservative sympathizers. >> i expect to hear 10 more times, the president estimating himself from the left's bogeyman of project 2025. >> you're not worried about that? >> i'm not worried. he's running against the brand. he is not running against any people. he's been on our organization, he's raised money for our organization. he's blessed it from -- i remember walking into our last day in office and telling him what was going to do. he's very supportive of what we do. >> trump is very supportive of what we do. we have reached out to the trump campaign for comments on these videos but we have not yet heard back. a spokesperson for the organization vote runs says their policy work is totally separate from the trump campaign. clearly. that was actually the second video leak from project 2025

this week. on saturday propublica published 14 hours of training videos made by project 2025. they are similar to the kind of video training manuals you have to watch at work on things like password security and how not to give away corporate secrets. but these videos are about stuff like how to eradicate left-wing coded words from the government. totally normal stuff. a spokeswoman for the trump campaign quickly disavowed the videos and that spokeswoman's name is caroline leavitt. >> my name is caroline levitz and i'm a former political appointee in the donald j trump administration. >> that is right. the trump campaign spokesperson who the campaign had disavow the project 2025 training videos is herself in the project 2025 training videos.

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spending a small amount of time trying to get some distance between himself and project 2025. it is all there. we are going to use him to end choice as we know it, and we are going to go after contraception and ivf too. >> this is more sweeping than reproductive rights. that is a big part of it . a part of his deal to the evangelical base. the fact he pointed three supreme court justices who are pivotal in overruling roe versus wade. that is just the tip of the >>. by the on acknowledgment this goes beyond reproductive rights to deal with and to capture the very levers of government. the author of the section of project 2025 deals with the executive branch and the president's office. he has said and did say in those meetings that they had

real trouble in the first trump administration. things were always successful because they had republicans in these offices and career bureaucrats, but they were not towing the party line. they have decided in the second trump administration if it happens they won't make the same mistake you they will replace those career politicians and rhinos with true party loyalists. i think what that means for the american public is they are being very clear that they are not going to fail twice. they are going to get it right this time and they will have the christian government that they wanted in 2016. >> just to drill down on abortion specifically because it is driving people to the polls and a very real struggle for people and families across this country. basic healthcare and reproductive choice. it keeps coming up in this campaign. j.d. vance was on fox i believe yesterday talking about the issue of abortion as an election time issue.

let's take a listen. >> all they care about is abortion and do not understand that decision is with the state now. it is not banned nationally even if some of them wanted to the. it is with the state but would you say to suburban women out there who are marinating in this propaganda? >> i do not buy that. i think most of them care about the normal things that most americans care about. >> just to be clear here caring about her body and surviving in an emergency room is a normal thing to care about. i want to set the record straight on that would you think of his contention that most suburban women only care about normal things with their bodies? >> it is a day that ends with the y. something he says something that is offensive to

the majority of women. i am more concerned about what laura ingram said. she made clear there is no threat to american women because this is being handled on the state level. that is delusional. it is an opiate intended to anesthetize the masses to the true threat they will pose. it says that this administration if it comes into power will use the power of the executive branch to reinforce and to begin enforcing again what is known as an 1873 law that has been languishing on the books. they are going to revive it, and if they do it will enable them to effectively have a nationwide ban on abortion because it prevents the transition in interstate commerce of any kind of article that might be used for an abortion whether that is medication abortion pills or speculate used to provide surgical abortions. they do not need a nationwide ban from congress. all they need is a willing department of justice that would reinforce this, and they are ready to go and in business be the idea it is staying with

the state under any trump administration is intended to distract americans from the very real threat this administration poses. >> i think you are right about her being the most alarming part of that interview saying that women who care about this stuff our marinating and propaganda. it is not propaganda. women's lives are being threatened and lost because some of these policies that are happening at the state level and the gas lighting does not really seem to be an election time strategy if you ask me. thank you for hanging around for an extra block. thank you for your expertise on all of this. that is our show for tonight. now it is time for the last word . great to see you. >> and you. that was a great doubleheader. there was a lot that you had to unpack. i am glad that you brought up that j.d. vance and laura ingraham conversation. they are hearing more about

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