that does it for "the weekend" this saturday morning. we have a great show for you tomorrow ahead of the democratic national convention. we will be joined by elizabeth warren and new york governor kathy local. it all starts at 8:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. be sure to follow us at the weekend on social media. good morning, friends. that was an amazing show all the way through. i thought your analysis in the last few minutes about donald trump's comments about the military was really meaningful. i thought the conversation was great. i did have a conversation earlier in the week before donald trump said this, it was actually something j.d. vance had said that got him

into hot water again. it was with professor christina greer. she had the best piece of advice and someone told her, shutting up is free. >> giving out free advice to j.d. vance. sometimes, just don't talk. if you have got a big don't you want to butter up, that is fine, that is the business of politics. there was no reason to bring the military into that whatsoever. she could have talked about the metal she got and praised her. this was a complete, unforced error. he does it over and over again.>> it tells you what he really thinks the, about the military. >> again, no need to say it. he can't resist. guys, thank you so much, we will see you tomorrow morning, have a great rest of your day. "velshi" starts now. good morning, it is saturday, august 17th, 80 days until election day. this morning, we are

looking at a change the race and change electoral map. in the four weeks since kamala harris took over the democratic ticket, she has upended a presidential race that had been looking quite grim for immigrants. yesterday on the second anniversary of the inflation reduction act, one of the biden administration's signature achievements, harris traveled to raleigh, north carolina to make the comments, she would be able to handle the election better than her republican counterpart. >> there is a choice in the election, donald trump's plans to devastate the middle-class, punish working people, and make the cost of living go up for millions of americans, and on the other hand, when i am elected president, what we will do so, what we will do to bring down costs, increase the security and stability financially of your family, and expand opportunity for working and middle-class americans.

>> it is notable that harris's campaign chosen north carolina to talk about the economy. it is a strategic move. it is a sign about how democrats have grown more bullish about this november. going into this year, there were six swing states that were most likely to determine the winner of the presidential race, nevada, arizona, georgia, michigan, and pennsylvania. in 2016, donald trump won five of those six swing states, all but nevada. in 2020, joe biden managed to turn all of them blue. biden's poor debate performance in june, however, led to a collapse in support of his campaign for 3 of those swing states, nevada, arizona, and georgia. many believed that left him with one precarious path to victory, winning all three of the other swing states, wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. there were even some concerns

that the gop could flip other vulnerable states. for months, trump's campaign has signaled they think they have a chance of flipping new hampshire and virginia. republicans in those days have been skeptical of those claims. but biden's weakness as a candidate gave trump's seeming reason to make a play for them. but harris's entrance into the race right might have had a significant effect, the democrats had had long hope of turning blue. north carolina. north carolina is sometimes included in the swing state conversation. it is the most vulnerable red state on the map. democrats have only won there twice in the last few years the jimmy carter back in 1976, and barack obama in 2008. in 2020, trump won the state by only 1.3% of the vote and democrats still think it is in play this year. a poll released this year by the cook political report shows harris with a one point lead over trump, backed up by a brand-new "new york times" and siena college poll that was just released, which shows harris with a two point lead over trump in north carolina. it also holds harris leading a

five-point lead in arizona and gaining ground on trumping arizona georgia. those results are all well within the margin of error. but there is a trend there that is a very positive sign for democrats. initially, kamala harris has a more robust ground game in north carolina. her team has more than 20 offices across the state and is set to open five more. trump has only about a dozen. harris's team says, 12,000 north carolinians have signed up to volunteer for her campaign since july. the state's democratic governor, roy cooper, who was briefly in the conversation to be harris's running mate put it this way quote, we were 12 points behind, now we have made a fast, strong run, and have tied the score. harris's momentum is turning up pressure on republicans. north carolina has 16 electoral votes . it is not a must win state for donald trump. if he loses

there, that opens the multiple paths to victory for kamala harris. the prospect of this happening has put trump on the defensive. the republican nominee also traveled to north carolina this week where he also gave a speech on the economy, an issue largely considered one of the strong points among voters this cycle. even though the second event at a private club in new jersey, it was supposed to also be focused on economic issues, but evolved once again into a bizarre and incoherent spectacle as he deviated from his central message. >> why aren't we creating great energy plants, great sources of energy instead of playing this game with wind that is ruining everything, killing birds, destroying the fields, all of these gorgeous fields. you've got windmills all over the place and you want to see a bird cemetery, go under a windmill. you will see thousands of birds dead. >> first it was sharks, now it is birds. joining me now is steve bannon, the producer of "the metal

blog, an msnbc contributor, and most importantly today, he is the author of a brand-new important book, "ministry of truth democracy, reality, and the republicans' war on the recent past." we will be talking extensively about that in a moment. you are here, i want to talk politics with you. the new stuff we got this morning from the "new york times" and siena college shows harris may actually have a chance in north carolina. tell us about what that does for the race. >> it opens a lot of paths. as you noted earlier, a blockage. we were looking at this race and thinking, this will come down to michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. now we know better. as these polls indicate, there are a series of polls that should make republicans very nervous. north carolina is a state trump was not concerned about, especially when biden was in the race. now all of a sudden, harris is not only competitive, she might actually have a lead in the state. that is both that could quite

easily change the nature of the contest. >> i want to talk about the speech that donald trump made, whatever, the press conference. we don't know what to call these things anymore. when we start talking about birds. every one of these things, something different happens. it was sharks, batteries me birds, talked about toilet flushing, water and stuff. i wonder whether this is something else? whether he does not have the ability to stick to a script on policy. his team would like him to be focused on policy, not kamala harris, but every time he is not talking about policy, or gender or race, it goes to this nonsense. >> in a literal sense, he can't help himself. it is not just his campaign staff. republicans on the capitol hill are making with him, stay on message. stick to your script and deliver the message. in fact, he can help himself. we saw that at the republican convention. in the script, he blew past it in a speech that was three

times longer than it was supposed to be. it was filled with lies, meandering nonsense, complete of opportunity for him to set the stage for the coming months, and one event after another, we saw the event in montana, the event and mar-a- lago, the event at bedminster. he is simply incapable, internally incapable, of delivering a coherent message. and yet, he does not seem to realize, it is costing him the race. >> i want to ask about virginia, that came up as well. we all know there was talk of new hampshire and virginia. is that really in play, as far as you can tell, they have been trying to say that it is in play, so that this map gets bigger, is it? >> well, you know, shortly before biden dropped out of the race, there was a lot of going to suggest that was stepping right out of democrats' hands. i think it has changed the nature of the race, not only nationally, specifically in virginia. at this point, i think the republicans are not investing real time and energy in virginia because they realize it is probably out of

reach. although, with 80 days remaining, we all have to wait and see. for now, it is looking awfully low. >> going into the democratic national convention this week, the new cycle will for a fourth week straight be on kamala harris and tim walz. they seem to be using that will hurt a lot of rallies, a lot of energy. what does trump have to do? he is not getting out there a lot, is he ceding the ground because the new cycle is there, or because he does not have a message that is working? >> maybe a little bit of both. i think donald trump will not hit the trail in a meaningful way. i think he is partially lazy, coming from the perspective he is assuming things will work out for him, and he is looking at polling that points to what he wants to hear, discarding all else. at the same time, we would like to think reality would sink in. one would like to think that he has someone around him that has an ear to say, mr. former

president, things aren't going your way. the democratic convention has not even started yet, so bond with the democrat attention is going to get in the coming weeks, it has not started yet. either he gets on his running shoes or falls further behind. >> steve, standby. i want to continue this conversation after the break and dive into your important book, "ministry of truth" we will be right back. back. hidden fees, surcharges... who knows what to expect! turn shipping to your advantage. keep it simple...with clear, upfront pricing. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪ and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! an alternative to pills, voltaren is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medicine directly at the source. voltaren, the joy of movement.

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own two eyes. not to mention, there were numbers and satellite imagery to debunk this lie. the spicier administration doubled down. this referred to by a senior trump advisor as alternate facts, though silly in comparisons to the years of deceit that would follow set the tone for the presidency in the years since. when you have leaders who so openly and willingly lie, the truth at some point ceases to exist to their followers. in his new important book, "ministry of truth, democracy, reality, and the republicans' war on recent past," steve bennett investigates the attempt to rewrite the stories of the last few years and the dangerous consequences unfolding as a result. benen rats quote, efforts to rewrite history have become a scourge on the policy. they are intended to leave the public misinformed , confused, and disoriented about the critically important events of their civil society. just as

important are the practical implications. these are dangerous, authoritarian tactics that contribute to the weakening of democracy. back with me is steve benen, producer for " the rachel maddow's show" and author of the book, "ministry of the truth, democracy, reality, and republicans' war on the recent past." this warns, if you accept these lies, they become a part of your reality as in 1984, to which you allude in your book's title, you actually wreck politics? >> exactly right. the foundation of our democracy is shared knowledge about recent events and current events. once that foundation is corrupted, by partisans with an agenda, people do not necessarily know who to believe, what to believe, and how to believe. they are doing

this on purpose in a way that destabilizes democracy and makes the political system itself unable to function because people are not in a position to separate fact from fiction. >> i want to read from page 61 of your book. where you say, in the republicans' war on the recent past, there was nothing mysterious to do things against the election, trump unwilling to accept the fact that the american electorate had rejected him by a margin of more than 7 million popular votes and 74 electoral votes, concocted a dangerous tale about voter fraud he could prove, schemers he can identify and production he could not find. in early june 2020, the incumbents said about a possible defeat, so certainly a vital win, i win. if he came up short, you go on and do other things. trump did not mean a word of it. he spent months of to the election day 2020 preparing to reject the legitimacy of a possible loss. he spent the aftermath of the election lying about and reversing the outcome. he spent the ensuing months and

years pretending he had won the race that forced him from the white house. the important part of that passage to me, steve, anybody can live. lying is free. when you set the groundwork for the lie, as trump did before the last election, somehow the lie, the big life became more palatable to some people. that is actually happening now. >> it is. we have polling data to suggest the vast majority of republicans look back at the 2020 race and are convinced by the lie. they have fallen for the scam. they believe trump won, by the loss, fair and square and we are having an illegitimate president in the white house now. now, we are seeing the same thing happen again. trump and his party, his allies, the conservative media are continuing to lay the groundwork that he has to win in 2024, or they will simply

start this process anew. it is destabilizing, corrupting, and inherently at odds with the way democracy is supposed to work. >> is 192 pages, an easy read. the chapters are set up in a way that allows you to read them, seven chapters in that blog. it does not have to be linear. other than getting this book to someone who believes some of this stuff, what does this solve for this problem of the line that has permeated, and possibly is eating away at our line that has permeated, and possibly is eating away at our democracy?>> ali, i think there are three things to keep in mind here, the first is, we have to have a society that values truth, and we all have a role to play in that. these truth cannot speak for itself. all of us, all of the citizens of the united states have a role to play in promoting the truth. the thing to keep in mind is, ali, you and i are in the media business, we work as media professionals, journalistic institutions across the country, have to help separate fact from fiction for the public, because they rely on us so heavily to do so. the third thing i want to emphasize is, ali, if you and i

went to see a magic show and we saw an magician pull off an allusion, we would be amazed. after the show, if we learn how to that trick was done, we would no longer be amazed. it would lose its potency. i think there is a parallel here as it relates to republican efforts to rewrite recent history. ultimately, once we expose the scam, we go along way toward defeating the scam. if we know how and why they are rewriting history, making reality up for grabs, if we know how and why, then all of a sudden, the scam starts to fall apart. it goes a long way toward ending the war in recent past, which is why i wrote the book in the first place. >> i know when you write a book, you have to spend a lot of time doing a lot of tv shows. i want to remind our viewers, you show up on this show even when you don't have a book all the time. you are a great friend to the show and to me. take you, my friend. steve benen, producer for "the rachel maddow show, " he has a blog, and now the author of a brand-new book called "ministry of truth, democracy of reality and the republicans' war on the

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before they've left the ground. this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business. we are now a little more than two years into post roe america. from this vantage point, it is clear now more than ever that abortion bans are a threat to the lives of all women of reproductive age, all of them. if you can get pregnant and you live under an abortion ban like every american citizen in these 22 states, you're not safe. the antiabortion movement and the american citizens a steady real of lies about their aim and restricting access to abortion and about what would happen if they succeeded. perhaps the most pernicious lie was the most foundational one. the antiabortion movement told us that what abortion is and who gets abortions. they told us abortion is plain

and simple, ending the life of an unborn child and they told us that by and large, abortions are sought by bad m immoral people. those are lies. abortion is healthcare, period. it is sought and needed by hundreds of thousands of americans every year. it is routine, it is necessary, it is healthcare. forced birth, on the other hand, is a human rights violation, according to amnesty international. even now, as we are faced with story after heartbreaking infuriating story of those being turned away from hospitals and emergency rooms, the people responsible for the emergency bands are still lying to us, right to our faces. telling us stories about ins exceptions. they want us to believe that even under their dystopian abortion bans, patients they deem to be worthy of exceptions will still be allowed access to abortion. besides being a moral outrage, it is simply a lie, both in

spirit and importantly, in practice, because you cannot pass a law that bans a medical procedure and threatened doctors with up to 99 years in prison if they break that law and expect them to ever perform that medical procedure! let's take tech six texas, for example. texas has a total ban on abortion for exceptions of the life of the mother, but explicitly, and this will become important in a moment, explicitly not for the health of the mother. which means that even if a pregnant person needs an abortion to avoid serious bodily harm, a doctor cannot perform that abortion unless death is imminent. this week, the center for reproductive rights filed a complaint against two texas hospitals that refuse to provide emergency care to two women with ectopic pregnancies. an on-topic pregnancy is when the fertilized egg implants and begins to grow somewhere other than the uterus. ectopic pregnancies are never viable. they can lead to significant complications and even death without treatment. the treatment for ectopic pregnancy is abortion. the center for reproductive rights argues that by refusing to

provide care, the hospital has violated the emergency treatment and labor act, which requires hospitals to provide stabilizing treatments. kylie thurman and chelsea noris de la cruz both had a topic pregnancies and both were turned away from hospitals. noris de la cruz went to the emergency room for topic pregnancy, where she was explicitly told that her fallopian tube may rupture. against the recognition of an er physician, noris de la cruz was discharged without any treatment. hours later, she found another ob/gyn for a second opinion and was rushed to an emergency surgery that saved her life. despite the fact that my life was clearly in danger, the hospital told me that they could not help me. i ended up losing half of my fertility. if i was made to wait any longer, it is very likely i would have died. kylie thurman's story is similar. both women were rushed into

emergency surgery after being initially turned away, both women nearly died and both ended up losing a fallopian tube, forever damaging their bodies and forever impairing their reproductive health. the center for reproductive rights is currently representing dozens of women who have been denied or delayed in receiving necessary abortions in life-threatening situations, despite facing serious issues to their lives, health, and future fertility. last year, the center for reproductive rights brought a suit against the state of texas on behalf of five women who said that texas's abortion laws prevented them from getting the care they needed. the case grew to include 20 women and two doctors. amanda is one of those women. she was 18 weeks pregnant with a baby girl that amanda and her husband very much wanted when amanda had a serious complication that would be fatal to the fetus and extremely address for amanda. despite the fact that the pregnancy was no longer viable, despite the fact that the condition could amanda's life and future fertility in serious jeopardy, her doctors were unable to treat her with an abortion, because there was

still a fetal heart rate. after three days of being turned away from the emergency room, amanda developed sepsis. it was not until she was at death's door that doctors would perform an abortion on her. she very nearly died after three days in the intensive care unit, amanda was left with extensive damage to her reproductive system. her doctor had to surgically rebuild her uterus, which had collapsed and one of her fallopian tubes is permanently closed. texas recently ruled against amanda and her co-plaintiffs here let's just be very clear about this. the treatment for an roe one pregnancy is abortion. without treatment , you may die. the treatment for sepsis in the uterus is abortion. without treatment, you may die. the treatment for a miscarriage that your body does not expel on its own is abortion. without that treatment, you may die. abortion is healthcare. abortion is a medical procedure that women should be entitled to get for any reason. no one should be forced to carry out legacy or forced into

childbirth, ever, period. but this is no longer even a question about church-- choice or bodily economy. these abortion bans me every moment, every single person with the uterus of reproductive age is at risk. amanda herself will join me after a quick break along with nancy north, president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights. getting older is part of the journey, even with worsening heart failure. so when i had carpal tunnel syndrome, lower back pain, and shortness of breath,

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treatment before the break, i told you about a series of cases in texas, in which women who needed emergency abortion receipt procedures were denied the medical care because of the state's stringent abortion bans, each of those women very nearly died and each were left with permanent damage to their reproductive systems. joining me now is amanda zurawski. in 2022, she nearly lost her life after suffering competitions from pregnancies.

she is not the first plaintiff named in a lawsuit in the state of texas that grew to include 20 women and doctors. joining us is nancy, north president and ceo for the center for reproductive rights. i wanted to bring a little of this to tv and it will appear on our podcast about plans for project 2025. i wanted to remind us though, these abortion restrictions and the exceptions they say they make are abstractions. you are the part that is not an abstraction. you are the real- life example of why exceptions don't work. when people say, exceptions don't work, for people who don't have to face abortion, does not mean anything. you are the fact. it is not good for anybody to get near death, for any reason. you have to get near death to get your abortion. >> that is exactly right. thank you first of all for having us. it is good to see both of you. when people say, exceptions work, i, fortunately still living proof that they don't work. i am one of hundreds, if

not thousands of women that are living proof that exceptions do not work. it is as clear as day. >> nancy, a part of the problem here is that once you get removed from amanda and her doctor and the medical team, and the decision has to be made anywhere higher than that, it puts friction in that process, and friction becomes take the easy way out and the easy way out is, we can't do this abortion, we can do that. this is repeating itself, as amanda says, dozens and hundreds of times across the country. >> so, what happened to amanda ending up in the icu, risking her life, what happened to the women in the complaint we filed this week with the federal government who had the a topic pregnancies, this should scare anyone who is pregnant in a state where abortion is a crime, because doctors, as you pointed out, have been put in

the untenable position of having to worry about facing 99 years of prison in texas, and giving the standard of care to the patient in front of them. it is not a tenable situation. so, what is happening is, women are being turned away from emergency rooms, when they are in pregnancy complications that are risking their lives. >> amanda, i would assume that once this works its way through the system, the court would have said, okay, this is a bit of a cumbersome law, but you are definitely the exception, you should have been given the abortion you needed to save your life, that is not the case. >> no, it is not the case. the decision in my lawsuit, they actually mentioned that what happened to me should not have been made to happen, but they failed to provide any sort of clarification, and they failed to give any sort of grace to most of the plaintiffs listed on my suit. as a matter

fact, in the decision, the texas supreme court erased most of our names from the written verdict, and effectively try to erase us and our voices. unfortunately, they are not going to be able to do that and we will keep speaking out as long as this keeps happening. i am so proud of the brave women in texas who are speaking out with the center today. >> nancy, we are officially talking about project 25 year, my is in two pages and needs to be bound in two documents. it mentions abortions about 200 times, does not call for a national ban, which feels like an out. again, the reason to have a mandate amanda in the conversation and to have you is to demonstrate, in fact, you do not need a national abortion band to not only achieve your goals, but to make things much more difficult and dangerous for women in places where they think there abortion rights are

protected right now. >> right. i mean, it is really frightening, the position that states like texas have taken me where they won't even clarify that you can get access to abortion care in a medical emergency. in fact, they are fighting, they sued the federal government, because they don't want to say that the important federal statute that requires stabilizing care emergency room also covers women who have had abortion care. yet, the kind of things that will be done at the federal level, as you say, project 2025 lays them out, is really, really frightening. we will see more and more of what we have already seen, attacks by the states to stop women from leaving their estates to two states where abortion is legal, going after doctors in states where abortion is legal, who are providing care via telemedicine to the women in states where abortion is banned. it is really, really important that we reestablish, congress can do this, a federal right to abortion. it is really

important that the states that have abortion rights on the ballot in november are able to get those past and their constitutions to protect in those states where they can. unfortunately, texas is not one of those states. we met at the moment, i think there are eight states that have it on the ballot, will probably end up being 11. there are 22 states that have abortion lands. these eight states will be interesting. until now, all of those statewide elections about abortion have not only led to higher turnout, but it has led to, no matter who brings the referendum, it always ends up protecting abortion rights. this is a motivating thing for voters november 5th. tim walz and kamala harris are strongly identifying with protection of reproductive rights. this is where you are now getting involved as well. in addition to your court case, you are out there telling people, you can make a choice about this. >> that is right. i am very honored to be a part of the harris-walz campaign

and i want to add, it is fantastic there are these ballot measures in the eight states in november, that is great. i also want to remind people, if trump makes his way back to the white house, if trump and vance have the administration we know, because they have told us me not necessarily through project 2025, but in their own words they would support a national abortion ban and that they would not support legislation that would protect services for ivf. that is very, very scary. if that happens, no state will be safe, whether they have a ballot measure or abortion protection or not. i just want to remind people, it is really important to vote for all pro-choice candidates up and down the ballot. >> i remind people, does not matter whether you are a one or you can or can't get, these are rights. right on the screen, i have more rights than the two of you do it 22 states and increasing in this country.

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for the others of project 2025, the court issued with government regulation is that it has been exploited by quote, radical leftist, to advance what they derive as quote, the great woke the, a time to smear diversity and inclusion programs as well as climate mitigation programs. when they talk about dismantling the administrative state, what they are actually talking about is dismantling policies. today's gop is entirely okay with an expensive government, as long as it serves their extremist agenda. nowhere is this more evident than in project 2025's final chapter, chapter 30, handling the federal trade commission. the federal trade commission, the ftc, is the agency responsible for overseeing consumer rights and trade practices fear chapter 30 of

project 2025 is dedicated entirely to the ftc, making it the subject of today's special ongoing coverage inside project 2025. its policy recommendations for the ftc marked a dramatic shift in antitrust enforcement, which works to ensure that consumers are not subject to anticompetitive or monopolistic practices. this manifesto takes the incredible step of calling for the ftc to actively intervene when private corporations make the choice to pursue the ei efforts, or greater policies, arguing that quote, many in the conservative movement have taken a broader view of antitrust. the authors of-- our antitrust laws did not enter 10 this understanding of competitive markets. traditional economic considerations give way to an obsession with so-called woke policies, specifically targeting companies that implement the ei and climate initiatives, as well as social media companies, but only of social media companies collaborate with liberal administrations to combat

conservative disinformation. project 2025's main target is the tech, including google, which it acknowledges has an outside marketshare, but it's concerned with monopolistic practices has very little to do with alleged unethical business practices. instead, concerns are rooted in the belief that big tech is censoring right-wing thought and advancing leftist ideology. multiple right wing hundreds of lawmakers have faced social media suspensions, or bands in recent years for offenses related to election and covid- 19 disinformation. trump himself, if you recall, was banned for several platforms after inciting the january 6 capitol riot. to counter all of this, project 2025 proposes using antitrust laws to investigate companies that target right-wing misinformation . to justify this very blatant weaponization of government, which it helps eight more proactive approach, project 2025 expands the scope of ftc regulation to accommodate fringe conspiracy theories,

shifting its focus from conventional economic issues, to an ideological agenda. for example, collusion. turgid traditionally understood the two parties could earn more conspired to limit supply of product, which acquires a cost to the consumer, or share of information is reinterpreted in project 2025 to apply to be tech's alleged censorship of right-wing content. project 25 accuses internet platforms of colluding with the biden administration quote, to censor criticism, scientific fact, and uncomfortable political truths. project 2025 go so far as to reinterpret unfair trade practices to target companies that invest in diversity programs, or climate initiatives. to do this, it engages in the remarkable feats of logistical acrobatics, equating socially responsible programs with economic misconduct, stating quote, disney's managers appropriate shareholder wealth when they use corporate resources to further their personal, lyrical beliefs, even by pursuing what they consider

a socially responsible or moral agenda. congress should investigate these practices as a cover for anticompetitive activity, and possible unfair trade practices. now, recognizing that their proposals contradict traditional, conservative views on limited government, project 2025 justifies its radical departure by concluding that the only way to undo leftist, woke policies, is to unleash maga forces. quote, conservative cannot unilaterally disarm and failed to use the power of government to further a conservative agenda, unless conservatives take a firm hand to the iraq bureaucracy and marshal its power to defend a freedom promoting agenda, nothing will stop the bureaucracy's anti- free markets leftist march. in fact, the ei initiatives have been shown to help a company's bottom line. studies find the ei efforts improve company culture,

increases business success, when correctly implemented. when project 2025 claims an equity program threatens democratic notions, it is crucial to understand its authors are redefining the meaning of democracy itself. why else with the right one to criminalize corporate efforts to diversify their ranks? their aim is to rule back hard won progress. and that is the true purpose of the entirety of project 2025, to dismantle decades of hard-won social progress. what it calls, wokeism. . to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief.

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before the break, i told you about project 2025's for connie and blaine stewart denies the federal trade commission. for more on this, i am joined by cofounder to and co-author of " zucked" waking up to the facebook catastrophe. you and i talked the other day and at the end of our conversation, you alluded to this, dealing with this information and disinformation in social media today, the federal trade commission is actually a key part of it. we started looking into this by looking at project 2025, and everything you suggested should happen is by design not going to happen if project 2025 is implemented. >> ali, i think there are two things going on in project 2025, with respect to internet platforms, the first is , there are the dog whistles of the ei and wokeism that are designed to say, this is legitimate if

you are a part of our maga movement. the message to everybody else is, there are at least 300 million reasons to be against project 2025, because it is essentially bad for everybody, but a tiny core of billionaires , and the sycophants who support them. what is going out with the federal trade commission is really simple, the ftc is the one part of the federal government tasked with consumer protection. the message of project 2025 is to executives of the corporations that would be covered government by the federal trade commission, which is, get in line. corporations are not in the business of challenging governments. their whole point is to find a path that allows them to exist. as we have seen with the oil industry, as we have seen with crypto, there is a price you can pay to become a part of, or at least protected by maga. they are looking to get that

from silicon valley. what is really weird about this is that silicon valley has been supporting the right in millie many fundamental ways since 2016. they are actually on the other side at all. i think that they could though, be potentially. this is a message to them, do not get out of line or we are coming after you. feel it is interesting, you and others have argued for some time that social media requires some degree of regulation. project 2025 is a remarkably inconsistent document. on one hand, it argues about the government getting out of step, talks about smaller governments, the administrative state. but on this particular issue, they are fine doing also to regulation as it relates to roe six, as it relates to climate initiatives, or as it relates to social media companies they think are colluding with the government, but not otherwise. that is the inconsistency of project 2025. what's regulation that we could use to keep ourselves safer from the internet companies is nowhere in this 900 pages.

>> the critical thing is that the biden/harris administration has already begun that process. and we see there is a check case at the federal trade commission against meta, for both gathering data on minors, and then using it to basically manipulate to economic gain the behavior of those minors. that is something i think almost all americans agree is a terrible idea. the ftc is absolutely correct to try to bring an absolute halt to it. you also see the department of justice just won a huge antitrust case against google, and another one beginning next month, has cases against other internet platforms. right now, the current policies governed are in fact offering much better consumer protection in the very near future then we have enjoyed in the recent past , and project 2025 would not only undo all of that, i think the actual goal of it is to

shake these companies down for huge contributions and get them to do exactly what the maga crowd them to do, which by the way, at least for the last eight years, they have been happy to do without project 2025. >> what happens to the disinformation central operation of twitter, with or without the administration that we have currently got, under the harris/walz administration, or a trump/vance administration? >> to me, the really corporate issue around twitter is that elon musk has become a national security risk. he has satellites that are essential to our national security. he does spaceships that are central to our national security, and at the same time, he is actively trying to interfere in the federal election system, and doing some things that are not only questionable, but potentially violations to the election law. in that context, there does need to be law enforcement from the department of justice to at least investigate all of this.