on this new hour of ayman, jd vance under fire again for comments about women as new polling reveals a start disconnect between his views and the voting block he and trump needs. plus trump claims he knows nothing about project 2025, but guess what?

the new video proves otherwise. and the new documentary revealing how israelis truly perceive the war in gaza. let's do it. donald trump's sexist and misogynistic commentary about women has been out in the open for decades. now his running mate jd vance is infusing the ticket with his own brand of mad men and it's era of sexism. here is the gaffe machine himself this week, putting his foot in his mouth again on fox. >> all the suburban women, all they care about is abortion, and they don't understand the decision is with the state now. it's not band nationally, even if some people want it to be band nationally. as with the states. what you say to suburban women out there who are marinating in this propaganda? >> first of all, i don't buy that, laura. i think most suburban women

care about the normal things most americans care about. >> according to a kaiser family foundation survey published just this week, 3 in 4 women of reproductive age in the united states think abortion should be legal in most or all cases. yes, that figure even includes so-called normal suburban women. here is something the trump- vance ticket should know. an april wall street journal poll of several battleground states, found that abortion wasn't just important to suburban women, it was a make or break issue for their vote. now if that wasn't enough this week, we saw another unearthed vance interview, this one from 2020. >> they spoil him, sort of all the classic stuff that grandparents due to grandchildren. but it makes him a much better human being to have exposure to his grandparents. >> will i don't know. >> and the evidence on this by the way is super clear. >> that's the whole purpose of the postmenopausal female in theory. >> yes, no woman is safe from

the judgment of jd vance. childless cat ladies and now, quote, postmenopausal females as they look to be called. the trump campaign is instant i that vance believes, quote, the whole purpose of the postmenopausal female is to help raise children, despite is actually hearing him on tape agree with that sentiment. look, it may not be obvious to republicans, but 2024 is a terrible gear to alienate and anger a large swathe of women voters. remember, it is the first presidential election since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, ending the federal protection of abortion access. remember voters in at least eight states will decide whether or not to enshrine abortion protections in state constitutions. this week missouri and arizona joined that list. we know that women overwhelmingly support the right to abortion, and in every presidential election since 1980, women have voted at higher rates than men. that is a fact.

this year's race has become tighter ever since vice presidents kamala harris became donald trump's new opponent, and vance has been hurting trump more and more than he has been actually helping him. according to 538 spooling average of jd vance's ratings, he is now among the least popular vice presidential candidates in modern u.s. history. he is less like an absolute terms than john mccain's running mate, sarah palin believe it or not, and some of his unpopularity could be contributed to him utterly failing at him writing his own business is a much more popular vice to make -- democratic vice presidential candidate tim walz would say. he tried to bring walz down to jd vance is a bye-bye to quitting him tampons him, by signing a lawless year requiring minnesota public school to provide menstrual products to everyone who needs them, a move which likely endears walz to the vast majority of women , unlike republicans who are turning this election into a boys versus girls contest they are doomed to lose. joining me now to discuss this,

columnist and host of the serious xm show, and the host of the daily podcast and cohost of democracy-ish and the new abnormal podcast. the busiest person in the podcast industry i have to say. grades have both of you with us today. give me your response to jd vance and his inability to take his foot out of his mouth, and why he seems particularly obsessed with women and what women are doing all of the time? >> he doesn't like women. that is like this year fact. every time he is given an opportunity to correct himself, he just finds a shovel and keeps digging. i think that this last audio of the postmenopausal female, just the pure role of an older woman , is just to cater to a younger women having children. when you listen to that audio, and it was just, like, isn't his wife's mother at dr., like a biology professor, esteemed? and he is like yeah, she should

absolutely leave her job for a year and just take care of children, because isn't that what their role is, and every time i listen to it, because i had to listen to it a couple of times, because i'm like no, he couldn't possibly, this isn't right, but he is. this is how he feels. he said when asked about the childless cat ladies, what did he say? oh, i have nothing against cats, because that was supposed to endear him more to women? i don't think they believe that women are able to vote in this election. i think that they believe that they are 19th-century fantasies come true. >> if it were up to them they probably would not want women to vote. >> 100%. >> what you make of the fact that he is now hurting donald trump's ticket. it's hard to imagine something hurting donald trump, but donald trump managed to find the one guy who is actually hurting his campaign, and here he is obsessing about women and talking about them in this disparaging way. >> i think donald trump pick to jd vance to make himself look better.

i can look less misogynistic left next to this guy. i'm awful, but this guy, their stds more popular than jd vance right now. that is where we are as a nation. he used the term gaffe and i know it is a term of art, but to me it's a mistake. these aren't mistakes. he's sharing his views. he is saying that i believe the only women who have any value are the ones who are childbearing and they should have no choice in it. if they get accidentally pregnant, they should be forced to carry children against their will and anyone who doesn't have children are miserable cat ladies, and anyone who can't have children any longer there to care for people who are having children. you could not get more dismissive of women. by the way and that fox news interview, he continued to say examples of normal things, grocery prices and things like that, women can be concerned with grocery prices and reproductive freedom. i am being forced to carry a fetus against my will to term

is one of the most egregious things. i think they don't get it. it's not politics. nothing can be more personal than telling a woman you because of my religious beliefs, you are forced to carry the fetus to term. that is what we are doing. that is their arrogant elitism is on parade. >> what is the strategy here? at the end of the day, they are politicians seeking to win an election. i'm thinking about, i want to redo this quote from doug says nick my political strategist. he advised president bill clinton. he wrote a memo earlier this week, quote, the gap between how women vote compared to men is likely to widen and could determine the outcome of the upcoming election, which brings me back to my point about what is the freaking strategy here you have to win this group of women over. why are you attacking them? why are you alienating them? what you think these types of comments are going to somehow help you win an election? >> i think they are going after the tread women vote, this idea that somehow women want to be forced back into the home and just shrieking care of children and taking care of men.

there is a whole industry on tiktok and on social media, hashtag trad women, that is all about glorifying this 1950s way of being. i think that in their mind, because they live inside of this very weird bubble , that they think that that is what a majority of women want. i mean you saw senator katie britt sitting in the kitchen whispering in the creepiest possible way, and with it her republican colleagues say about her? well, she is just a mom. actually she is an entire senator. not a good one, but he is one. the fact is that they just dismiss women from beginning to end, and are hopeful that their handmaiden's tale desires will come true, and that somehow look, here's the thing. i think that if kamala harris had not become the top of the ticket, i think that we would have been driven by our hopelessness, and that is not something that gets people to the polls. it is something that we just acquiesced to. but the fact is that now that we have this brilliant woman at the top of the ticket, i think that other women are saying, yeah, we don't have to

acquiesce to these men, their desire of this 19th-century handmaid's tale version of who we are to be, because we have a model of what we can be and what is possible to move america forward. >> and what we should be as a country. again, one of the things is the overturning of roe v. wade that you have seen in these more or less state referenda that have taken place unless some of them in staunchly red states, people have come out and enshrined abortion-rights into the state constitution, as we mentioned, eight times. it will also happen on the ballot in november in eight other states. again as a republican you have seen the result. you know that abortion is an issue is mobilizing voters to the polls in red states. it stopped the red way from happening two years ago. yet again, they are doubling down on this kind of rhetoric. >> look, you mentioned handmaid's tale. i think that jd vance, that is a feel-good comedy. that is his tent lasso,

watching that. but let's take a step back for a second. with religious fundamentalists, and that is what some of their true believers are, they are never going to compromise. they are only going to change their tactics. >> is this a play for the extremist religious mail right? >> they can finally, this court chipping away at the war between church and state in case after case. not to stop's decision, but other cases, this is their dream. it's going to happen. i want to turn america into a theocracy. they want to turn their religion into law and the caliban should sue them for trademark infringement because they've already been doing it and these guys want to follow the same path. they are going to change. it's not about losing. they're going to change the game, making it harder for people to vote against them, but not change their view because they are religious fundamentalists. >> let me put up this new poll that found more u.s. voters like tim walz than jd vance.

39% of u.s. adults have a favorable opinion of walz, and for walz, 32% , early days of both of them, certainly for jd vance. do you think these initial impressions are going to stick? >> i think that they are going to grow. the more that we see jd vance, the more that we hear from him, the less we like him. i mean, he's not a likable person. that's the thing. >> that's probably why he was picked, going into his theory. >> but i think that donald trump and his campaign thought that they had a home run. all they had to do was write out by different age and they would be able to coast into november and then take over their country with a christian fundamentalism. so jd vance was the rubberstamp on that ticket, because you know where he stood. he has been so outspoken on the fact that he doesn't believe that women should have the ability to have access to ivf, the birth control, to reproductive freedom. so, for donald trump, this was like the younger mike pence in a way for him, to nail down

these white evangelical christians that were the basis of his election in 2016. >> he is mike pence without the boring snooze monotone voice of mike pence. >> but he is not actually entertaining either. >> he would overturn the election results that mike pence wouldn't do. >> were dangerous. >> jd vance, he comes from this appalachia background, he wrote about in hillbillies. he should be like, you get this idea that this is a working- class guy juergen said he comes across as an elitist to his born into wealth and he's not. he goes to yale law school. goes to silicon valley and makes millions of dollars in everything he says is like he is talking down to us. that's how i feel. >> we have a lot more to discuss after the break. a new secret video revealing trump's ties to project 2025 and how it is essential to a second trump term should he get one that no one is surprised about. to quit the kibble and feed their dogs

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store make donald trump's campaign to distance himself from the radical and hugely unpopular dangerous project 2025 took another huge hit this week. a british nonprofit called the center for climate reporting published a video of a secretly recorded interview they conducted with one of its key authors, russell vought. vote served as donald trump's director of office manager and budget and he now leads the center for renewing america, part of a network of conservative advocacy groups

staffed by former and potentially future trump administration officials. take a listen to what vought had to say to the two men he thought were relatives of a conservative donor about donald trump's involvement with project 2025 and his plans. >> he's been at our organization. he's raised money for our organization. he's blasted from, you know, walking in our last day in office and telling him what we were going to do. he's very supportive of what we do. >> vought also dismissed concerns about trump who has been trying desperately to distance himself and separate himself from project 2025. >> i expect to hear 10 more times from a rally, the president distancing himself from project 2025. >> you're not worried about that? >> i'm not worried about it. >> danielle and dean are still with me. this is probably the least surprising video to come out. i mean, it has come out, but i

don't think any of us who have seen the circle of people around donald trump who are involved in project 2025 of the last several months is somehow surprised that this guy is coming out and saying donald trump is in on this and we aren't worried that he is saying he wants it insists himself from it, because he's all in once he is reelected. >> do they vent anybody? could i show up and say that i, hey, i'm -- >> i'm his cousin entered to fund raise for an event. >> i'm a billionaire, and the doors open wide. i think that this video is really important, though, because i did not know who russell tran30 we -- vought was peeking over the other big names are that are associated with project 2025, but this man that they have essentially named him as the script writer, he is a playbook man, he is the one that the republicans have welcomed in, and for him to say don't worry about what's happening in public, because we

haven't on lock in private, and any other clip, i don't know if you all will show it, but the one where they are talking about, you know, this is the public book, the other one, the transition plan, we are really holding that close to the chest. i'm saying some of the 922 page version was offensive enough, so we can only imagine as they are trying to diverge the freedom of information act, how they are trying to navigate this space, because they know that this is unpopular. so the fact is that they have told on themselves. donald trump is distancing himself in public but he is all about it, at a boy in private, flying on private jets, giving them roles inside of his team. like, we know what the deal is. the idea that he can distance himself is more lies. >> it speaks to a bigger issue of what's happening right now in the campaigns. you have kamala harris, tim walz out there giving a vision for the future, talking about economic policy, talking about the threat to democracy. they are giving us with the future, and as you said earlier, a sense of hope, you

know ima that's out there. these guys, trump is running backwards. he's running away from project 2025. he's running trying to keep himself out of association with this authoritarian playbook. >> i love that russell vought, he is going to state a few more times but don't believe him. he's a liar. you know donald trump. >> he's a liar. >> project 2025 is their version of fugu, for us, by us. it was written by them. it is vought and so many of the maga people. i believe donald trump when he says i never read project 2025. it is inspired by what he did in the first term, and when he talked about doing the second, and on the trump website, people go look at it. not now, agenda 47. agenda 47 is what is on the trump website of what they are going to do. mass deportations, getting rid of diversity programs, the idea

of ending the department of education. it is the same idea. it is more spread out in project 2025. it is the essence of maga. it is right there. >> it is diet coke. it is like the diet coke version of project 2025. as agenda 47. >> we don't want coke coming after us, all right? >> it is crystal pepsi. >> let me play for you guys this other part of this clip, which i think is an extremely dangerous part, and to your point, it is something that donald trump had set when he was in office. take a listen. >> george floyd, honestly, was not about race. it was about destabilizing the trump administration. we put out for instance a 15 page paper designed for lawyers to know that the president has come you know, the ability both along the border and elsewhere to maintain law and order with the military. >> so using the military to go after protesters in this country, something that we know

donald trump favored when it was during the george floyd protest, shooting protesters in the knees, something that mark asper at the time the secretary of defense did not want to do and certainly did not do, but this really speaks to just, to your point, there is the project 2025 that the public is debating about it just kind of discussing, but then there is this like kind of secretive agenda that is way more dangerous that they are planning in the pipeline should he win. >> sure. they aren't going to let democracy or freedom stand in the way of their dreams. they view donald trump as a vessel to deliver the dreams they have had for years and years and years. you know, the idea of, the first comment about george floyd, not really about the murder of a black man, but was being used by people to destabilize society is outrageous on its own. can you add the military stuff,

and is consistent with everything donald trump. again project 2025 wasn't out of the blue. it is all trump stuff put into writing. they added some things. it's what he's about. donald trump gets back in, our freedom and self determination as a people are really at risk. i think we all know that. i think we are losing some of that hope part. we are hopeful about kamala harris and the fear is going second, because we are so tired of being run by fear. we love the hope but we can't forget the fear part. >> this week is going to be split screen, because the dnc is going to be taking place. you are going to see what i suspect to be protests. they are expecting up to 20,000 protesters in the city of chicago, and you are going to see republicans pounce on these protesters and exploit them for their own political gain. i was going to say, how do you think democrats should counter message that, when you have people like this and you want to shoo protesters in the knees and go after undocumented immigrants? >> look, i think that the

harris-walz team, they believe in democracy, and part of democracy is dissent. we have the right to speak out against actions that our government is taking that we don't agree with. we have a right to say that our tax dollars should not be going to places that we don't want them to go. i think that they use it as an opportunity to say you know what, we welcome dissent. we welcome people to criticize this country, because we have an opportunity with each generation to make it stronger to make it better. i think that that will be the split screen that we need to see because first of all, we have to remember. had the supreme court made a decision when donald trump was president of the united states, given the president immunity, do you think that he would not have shut those protesters in lafayette square? he absolutely would have. what would have happened? nothing. >> such an important point, and a reminder of just how bad the supreme court got it wrong with that immunity decision. don't go anywhere, we have more to discuss after the break. right after this i will switch gears. i will be speaking to my old

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here is a soldier saying that they have destroyed the university. there is no more education in gaza. >> you think education in gaza -- >> is humiliating -- >> i don't -- as i told you before, i don't see any, any problem -- there is nothing humiliating. >> that is a clip from the new zeteo documentary "israel's real extremism." it offers a rare glimpse in israeli society through the eyes of soldiers, politicians, and even prominent media figures. it also features everyday people being unfiltered in describing the war as the world inches toward one year of violence and devastation inside gaza. joining me now is the editor and chief zeteo. it is good to see you . this is

quite a powerful documentary, and it shows this through line in extremism that is running through israeli society. you have been covering this work from the very beginning. we've been talking about it for 10 months now, but was there anything new that you took away from this film that we have not before? >> thank you for having me and for watching the film. look what we all saw the tiktok and instagram videos a lot of the israeli soldiers have put out while serving in gaza, destroying houses, stealing children's toys, wearing women's underwear, pretty disgusting's death. when basement films in the uk came to us with this pitch, this proposal, this film were they were going to talk with israeli soldiers, actually get israeli soldiers on tape talking quite proudly about how come you know, they don't see the palestinians really is people. one of the soldiers says in the film, of course i'm superior to them. i walk around superior to them because i'm superior to them. you saw that israeli media

personality saying i don't see anything wrong with humiliating the palestinians. i think the boldest of the rhetoric, the complete lack of any shame, the idea that what they are doing is totally normal to them is quite horrifying. it is the normalization of this extremism with them within israeli society. it's important for americans to see this because we found that is really miss attending. >> is one of the most shocking moments of the documentary was an interview with an israeli mother, and it truly was, this interview with an israeli mother actively trying to lock food aid from getting into gaza. i want to get your reaction, but i want to play it to our viewers first. >> how is your baby doing? >> it's hard, but i can't stay at home. >> are you not concerned that by blocking the aid going to gaza, a lot of palestinians who are already suffering are starving? >> it's the wrong question, because aid gets to hamas. the aid goes to hamas. >> you know, when you see something like that, and people

might watch this and say it is a one off or random, it is much more widespread than one mother saying she doesn't want aid to go into gaza because she thinks it's going to hamas. >> first of all, it is shocking to see a mother with her baby trudging across the desert in whatever it is, 90 to 100 degree heat, to stop palestinians from getting food on the grounds that it is only hamas to get the aid. which is nonsense. you're right it is not just one person. if you watch the film she has a growing group of activists. since we made the film, they have been going out and wrecking trucks and setting trucks on fire. it is just this idea that ordinary people in israel have become so numb to the idea that palestinians are people with rights, with dignity, with a need for food. you are playing that clip right there, soldiers laughing as they are on the frontline in gaza as a blow stuff up, as

they destroy people's houses, schools, universities for fun run along the beaches as if they owned the place. that for me is a sign that israeli society we knew had been moving to the far right over the years, but since october 7, that has been given booster rockets. the fact that these videos are going viral, that they aren't just producing this stuff, but it is welcomed by a lot of people in israel, and one of the soldiers tells us that the very start of the documentary, my commanders want me to do this. they want me to post this stuff. >> the documentary also featured an interview with one of netanyahu's former bodyguards, because he is now spoken out against the israeli government and their actions. i mean, so much of the discussion around whether israel is legally committing genocide in gaza or not is based upon the rhetoric and the words that come out from officials who are conducting this war, what their goals are, what their objectives are, and that you also hear commentary from everyday israelis to that

end. >> yeah, we wanted to have dissenting voices in the film as well. that's important because as you say, it is not one person nor is it all israelis. it is important for us to recognize that someone like the former bodyguards and yahoo is one of his biggest critics, leads protests in the streets. you made a very important point in the film which is look, we can go after these soldiers, we can be horrified by what the soldiers are doing, we can call for them to be prosecuted, investigated, punished, but with the phrase, the fish rots from the head. we have to deal with netanyahu. we have to deal with the israeli government we have to deal with the head of the israeli military, the commanders okay with these films going out. i think that is so important. that is where the culmination of the film is, and is israel's real extremism, but again where do these videos come from, who is approving these videos, who is allowing this to happen, and

you do have to go all the way to the top to benjamin and jeanette who come into the defense minister, who by the way both of whom international criminal court chief prosecutors have requested arrests for. >> i hope this movie is seen wide and far. when he will viewers take away from this documentary? quite honestly i know you and i see this stuff on social media, but it is not being reported in mainstream media in the united states at large. these videos that we see, these horrific accounts, it is not commonly covered, to say the least, in u.s. media. >> well one of the reasons zeteo wanted to find the film is because major media networks on both sides of the atlantic decided not to. basement films is an award- winning production company that worked with major networks but no major networks wanted to touch this film. but it is very important that we look specifically at what is happening on the ground right from the horses mouth. it's not me or you or anyone else seeing this stuff.

it is israeli soldiers seeing this stuff on tape. so often in our media coverage, american politicians in particular are able to get by talking in broad bromides and sweeping statements, abstract statements about we share values and we support israel's right to -- congress should watch this film and say am i okay voting to fund this stuff. >> it's always good to see you. thank you so much for the incredible and important work you are doing there. >> think you so much. >> and all of you at home, stay put. the ring kissers edition is up next. ♪♪ ♪you know you got to live it,♪ ♪♪ ♪if you want to win...♪ [bump] time out! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty, liberty,♪ ♪liberty, liberty.♪

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it is time now for rest of the week, the ring kissers edition. the first contender former arizona governor doug ducey who once publicly defied donald trump's election denialism. in 2020, the republican

famously ignored a call from travis he certify the election results in his states. for a time that snub made him entering the number one to donald trump who warned, quote, republicans will long remember. fast forward to this week when doug ducey chose to endorse trump for president and lake for senate, despite also denouncing her election conspiracy theories. then there is former senator richard burr of north carolina, one of seven republicans who voted to convict donald trump during his second set of impeachment trials. at the time, burr said, quote, the evidence is compelling that president trump is guilty of inciting an insurrection against a coequal branch of government and that the charge rises to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. but now, burr, just like ducey , has suddenly seen the maga light. >> will you be supporting trump? >> i will be supporting trump. >> i think some people will be surprised to hear it your vote for trump despite your call for impeachment. >> that's not a disqualifier to whether you can serve. it is a bad choice that i

thought the president made one time. >> not a disqualifier to serve, launching an insurrection apparently is not enough to get you disqualified. what have you got? i was like, i will start with you. >> first of all, he said it was like, bad one time. nike chose the wrong tide to go with his shirt, a little bit of a clash. for me it is richard burr because first of all, the man is retired. i don't understand what you are doing this tap dance four. you literally were on the record saying that donald trump is responsible for the insurrection. you were one of just a handful of republicans decided to side with the democrats and i would say our democracy and told donald trump accountable, and now you are saying to yourself you know what, 34 felonies, adjudicated sexual offender, he is my guy. like, he did a bad thing once. it's okay. for me i'm just like, you are a fool, and i don't understand

what he is trying to maneuver for here, like what he gets out of the deal. i can understand ducey maybe wanting to get back in to the good graces of the trinity for republicans, but burr is sitting on his couch. >> unless he is invited to all of those mar-a-lago parties. >> you can visit trump in prison. that is what he can do. this is unbelievable, though. burr just said it is not a disqualifier. burr glittery voted to disqualify trump from ever holding office again and he voted to convict him. you had richard burr listen to all the evidence and decide to be one of seven republicans to convict him of inciting insurrection, a terrorist attack on our capital, to overturn an election and end our democratic republic. he goes it's one time. he did one thing. what is one insurrection between friends. it makes no sense. it doesn't make sense to me why burr does this , but he is the worst, and it reminds us all there are many republicans were

not silent about donald trump's stuff because they feared him. they were silent because they agreed with him or they agreed with the power and the tax cuts and everything else that will benefit them. >> you know, we have had this conversation before, when it comes to dictators overseas, part of the fear is actually the threat of violence. theaters and dictators, in north korea they would kill their people if they were disobedient, but at least now we have not had that in the republican party. we are trying to understand what is this fear that grips a ducey , a burr. mitch mcconnell we get. he's in office and wants access to the president and be part of the good graces of the republican mega-donors that are paying for this, but i don't understand why people like ducey and burr are doing this. what is the fear factor that has people doing this. and if people like burr and ducey that have the courage and convictions to stand behind what they have said and done

previously, why would voters who may have shunned trump in 2020 not do the same with their vote this time around? >> honestly i don't understand it, but what i will say is the republican party is not filled with strongmen. they are filled with men that cause play, right, in a way their toxic masculinity. the reality is that they could not take the insults from donald trump. you had donald trump insult people's wives, right? insult people's wives on social media, and they went around and they shook his hand and they kissed the ring. so if you are a man like that and you can't stand up for your own wife, like, you really think that you are going to stand up for democracy? it is silly for us to think that, but the thing is about these people is that they want to be liked, and they want to be in donald trump's club. they do not want to have a desire, because the reality is while we may not have had people accidentally get pushed out of windows or diet food poisoning like they do in

russia, the reality is that we have seen an escalation in violence in this country. we have seen people need to get their own kind of security like mitt romney had to do and pay for it out-of-pocket, like these judges have had to do. so they don't want that. they are, i believe both living in fear, but living in the spotlight of what maga can provide them. >> look, we are talk about richard burr and nobody had ever thought we would be talking about him for any other reason. let me give you a bonus pick here. this may not be a popular one. president biden told reporters this week that if trump were to win, he would attend his inauguration. he said, quote, i have good manners, not like him. this is a show of decorum, a relic of old-school politics. does decorum to have a place in today's politics? can biden say that trump's term would mean the end of democracy as we know it and then go and attend the inauguration of the guy who would end democracy. i don't know why president biden would say that. i would expect him not to attend the inauguration. if you are telling the world is

going to end democracy, you don't want to be in the photo with the last time our democracy is functioning. >> it is about the trappings of democracy to president biden. donald trump was the first president in over 100 years not to show up for the transition to the new person, but i think joe biden has to be reminded. he has absolute immunity now. you don't have to let this happen. you can stop the swearing in scope -- i have absolute immunity, what are you going to do about it. until trump has sworn in with absolute immunity, joe biden has got it. use it. i've got creative ways. we can talk. if you are listening give me a call. but we are going to win the election so it never happens. vice president harris and tim walz are going to win the election. we don't have to go with this horrific scenario where we are doing this show in the future from canada. >> your thoughts on that? >> i believe that joe biden is a statesman, and he has 40 years of being inside at this democratic institution, and he

wants to believe that we will proceed into the future, even if donald trump is president of the united states. but we all know that is not the case. so unless you are showing up to the inauguration and your pajamas with signs that say "run now run" to the american people, like get out now, leave. unless you are going to do that, i don't know why you would be there. >> i did not give you a chance to ask about george santos, but i think that is probably for the better this week. there is always next week. we will have you guys come back on. stick around, because we do have a bonus round a forest of the week after this. this. blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention.

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we are back with a bonus round of worst of the week. this was a presidential candidate robert f kennedy junior. believe it or not he still believes he has a path to the white house, or does he. this week the washington post reported he tried to set up a meeting with vice president kamala harris to discuss the possibility of serving in her administration should she win. it was an offer that harris reportedly did not respond to or show any interest in. kennedy has denied he begged harris for a job, but thursday in an incoherent post, he lashed out at the harris' campaign and denied the vice president and endorsement, which guess what, she never asked for. you have to give it to rfk junior for being a true independent candidate. last month he also spoke with trump about a possible job in a second trump administration, and guess what? he got absolutely nowhere. my panel is back with me. so what does jfk, i'm sorry,

rfk junior -- what is his story? he's just trying to be relevant? >> he wants to be secretary of conspiracies i think, the department of homeland craziness. here's the truth. he was at 9% -- >> he was too close to area 51. >> he was at 9% of our kamala harris came the candidate. he was down to 5%. he had no chance before. he wants to stay relevant so he lashes out with that ridiculous statement saying he's for freedom and democrats aren't. he spoke at the mom's for liberty convention where they are banning books this guy. he's about anti-vax, conspiracy. he should've ran as a republican. roger stone loves him. steve shannon loves him. he is a right-winger. he should be in the maga party. >> what you think is happening here with the rfk junior? what, what is the desperation plea all about? you have to be pretty bad if

donald trump doesn't want to have anything to do with you. >> he wants a job, right? he should just go on linkedin. i don't know why he is knocking on everybody's door right now. the fact is, we heard him on audio with donald trump return was saying great job, thank you for the work that you were doing, so who knows if there isn't going to be a role for him someplace inside of donald trump's cabinet, because he fits right in. as dean is saying, he is maga. what about him isn't ? >> the truth is politically he hurts donald trump more, so if there is an incentive because of the crazies out there and because of the conspiracies and stuff, he peels away more from donald trump than he does from democrats, so if there is someone out there who is going to try to make a deal with him, to bring his voters in, it would be donald trump, with a wink and a nod to my probably say bring your, drop out of the -- exactly. endorse me with your seven voters and i will give you a position in the cabinet. >> i think -- >> how good is donald trump.

if you are robert kennedy, do you take donald trump at his word? >> he has nothing else. there was breaking news in the marshall, he just called jill stein and asked for a job in jill stein's candidate. why not? he's a kennedy jerk you have money. i hope someone else in the family will hire him, give him a job, give him something to do. he might just be bored. as someone who is a fan of the kennedy's, congressman kennedy on my show a lot of mes, john kennedy, bobby kennedy, to see this, and his own family has come out to publicly denounce him and say don't support him. we actually is democrats want him to run, because you are right. polling shows now in states where he is running, he has pulled more from trump than he has from harris. >> so listen, you know my said we were going to talk about santos, but we do have 60 seconds, so give me your thoughts on george santos leading guilty to fraud. i should say expected to on monday. he is expected to, we have the headline number expected to plead guilty on charges related

to campaign fraud. surprised? surprised that he is pleading guilty? >> i guess i am surprised that he is admitting that he is guilty i thought that maybe he would go to his grave being like , i did nothing wrong on his way into prison. but there is video. i mean, the receipts are deep. there are literal receipts. so, you know, maybe he is hoping for a lighter sentence. >> which of his personalities are pleading guilty? >> we will see who shows up on monday, right? >> donald trump should take a lesson from this, because the deal is he won't get a longtailed term. after this election is over, if donald trump loses, he's facing serious felonies still. >> i suggest he will spin it in some way to say he's pleading guilty but he doesn't really mean that he is really -- >> santos? in his only fans from prison. >> all right. danielle, dean, always a pleasure. thank you so much as always.

have a safe trip to chicago. check in with us next week? >> i will. >> i just booked our next show. thank you for making time for us. be sure to come back tomorrow when we speak live with former congressman beddoe at work about the state of the race in texas, and why he believes the longtime republican stronghold could actually swing in harris' favor . that and more starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc. until then , have a good night. . make more of what's yours.

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