helping him cover up the alleged plot. both pleaded not guilty and are awaiting trial. >> some people call this a twisted love story. >> i think it's true love. >> that's what kelly said before she went to prison. but true love didn't last. in 2023 kelly's attorney told us his client wants nothing to do with her former lover ira. as for marckensy the car salesman who played the role of a life time in the investigation targeting kelly and ira. he says the good guys one. >> the detectives and prosecutors say you're the hero in this. do you feel that? >> not at all. not for like, you know, that was the right thing to do. being a hero, no, they are the hero. the one out there every day. th. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i am andrea canning, thanks for watching. good morning, and welcome

to the sunday edition of morning joe weekend. is another fast-moving newsweek. so, here are some of the conversations you might have missed. >> the washington post is highlighting what it is calling donald trump laundry list of increasingly bizarre claims. take a look at this, the post's analysis reads quote, it is difficult to try and repair the relative ridiculousness of trump's claims at the time, but there is no question he has pushed the envelope in new and astonishing ways. let's recap. 10 of the most recent examples. number one, his claim last week that a massive crowd at a rally for vice president,, lane harris quote, didn't exist, and nobody was there. trump wrote on social media that photos and videos of the crowd were ai generated, which they were not. number two, that president, joe biden, prepared to have the of i assassinate him, when it lawfully seized classified

documents from mar-a-lago in 2022. number three, that it is the democrats in their messaging that is to blame for last month's attempted assassination of trump. let that breeze for a minute. number four, that biden faked having covid 19 last month in the days leading up to his withdrawal from the 2024 race. i number five, that trump was nearly in a helicopter crash, with former san francisco mayor, willie brown, after brown insisted last week that the incident never happened, a different, black lawmaker from california can forward to say li it was him in the chopper with trump, not the former mayor. number six, that biden will try to reclaim the democratic nomination at next week's democratic national convention. number seven, that harris only recently started identifying as black. number eight, that the crowd at

his rally at january 6th was bigger than the one martin luther king jr. had for his famous i have a dream speech. number nine, that other countries are emptying their presence and sending criminals to the united dates. and number 10, that democrats want to allow killing babies after birth. >> let me tell you, that is an oldie, that they-- >> an oldie, but a trend toward sickie. jonathan shay wrote a column in the new york magazine writing about media bias that it is not the left against the right, against donald trump that it is, in fact, the mainstream media, desperate to just keep, keep this narrative going that this is an election just like any

other, and acting like it is clinton versus dole in 1996 and these extraordinary bizarre claims that would be this all of the vying, and i have seen it time and again. t a lot of people that sit around at home like, oh my god, the media, it is so biased, it is so biased to get donald trump. and donald trump will go out into the crowd of 10,000, 15,000 doesn't exist and it is ai generated. he will just kind of sit there and go, you know, when is, lane harris going to have her first sit down with george stephanopoulos? you are sitting there, going, weight, don't we stop the presses on that? t don't we stop the presses when you make some stories about willie brown is a helicopter crash? don't we stop the presses? you can go down this list of 10, joe biden, there is going to be a coup in chicago and joe bidenc will be writing in on a white stallion? i mean, there's just -- i exaggerate a bit on that one, but all of these things are

just crazy, and yet the press will just take it in, because they are so numb to it and go, what you expect her economic theory is going to be on quantitative easing, and it is just madness. >> you hit a keyword there, it is numb. i think the media, and i think sometimes there is a struggle to give him the coverage they deserve. now, i think the press has done better in 2024 than in 2016, to be sure. progress has been made, but there is a long way to go, because, as trump is, as we have discussed in the show a cu lot, has a firehose of sorts, it is tough to keep track of everything he doesn't put it ino the proper, sort of context. look, the mainstream media, one speak for everyone, but certainly outlets have suggested this, that there is a perception that the media is liberal, the mainstream media,

in an effort to bend over backwards to ensure that they are not, they overcompensate and they are not as critical with the republican candidates as they should be, but look, i think what this show certainly has been doing all along is focusing on the stakes of the election. we have calling donald trump when he lies and his dangerous policies. yes, was there an overkill of coverage about president biden's age? no doubt. this show has talked about how the fact that donald trump is old too. but we are focusing on what is c at stake in november and les still day today dramas. >> yeah. i mean pick your favorite from david letterman's worst ever list that you can just reveal yo there and look at january 6th versus the i have a dream speech. he is raising, as a point of pride, the crowd he sent to the capitol an attempted coup against the united states government. the building was defaced, the officers edwere beaten, many of them now going to jail, favorably comparing that day,

the darkest dark history to thea i have a dream speech. given by martin luther king, that is who he is and we have to keep talking about that. the first claim from donald trump on the washington post list that vice president harris's crowds are ai generated, not real. some of the signs bernie sanders is pointing out is that donald trump is setting the stage to deny the results of the 2020 election if he loses in november. and in a statement senator sanders writes, donald trump may be crazy, but he is not stupid. when he claims nobody showed up at a 10,000 person harris-walls rally in michigan that was live streamed and widely covered by the media, that democrats cheat all the time there is a method to his madness. senator sanders goes on. if you can convince your support of the thousands of people attended a televised rally do not exist, it would not be hard to convince them that the election returns in pennsylvania, michigan and elsewhere are fake and fa

fraudulent. this is what destroyed faith in institutions is about. this is what undermining democracy is about. this is what fascism is about. and this is what he has done from the beginning. undermining the institutions, so that you don't believe your own eyes, you believe only his voice. >> and i agree with senator sanders, he is preparing us to deny the election results in november, because he believes that he has a chance of losing and so does most people at this point. and i think, again, your point, i don't think people understand how deeply insulting it is to compare the march on washington and 63 when dr. king gave that speech with an attempt to overthrow an election violently that his followers did, that he was president, sent them to the capitol. i mean, they had national guardu and 63. mr. king said they expected a riot, that it was the most

nonviolent expression of tens of thousands of people for the civil rights movement at that time in 63. to compare that to people beating on policeman, law enforcement and desecrating the capitol in and of itself is insultingly un-american. >> you know, and bernie sanders, that-- everybody needs to really take an interest in what is going on in this country, needs to take that to heart. because you can look back and look at the rise of other fascist governments and it is the playbook. it is the playbook that you lie so much that you numb the media, you numb the masses, you numb people and soon they give up. >> right. >> on trying to figure out what the truth is. and i hear this from people i grew up with all the time. they go, you know, joe, i just don't watch the news anymore. i don't read news anymore,

because you just, you can't tell who is telling the truth and who is not telling the truth, and then you talk to them further and you ask where do they get their news from? and it will be from a conspiracy website. that spreads these sort of lies. and so, in part they get what they are looking for, but also o in part, they hear these lies, and again, it numbs them so much that they just give up. and that is exactly what is going on here. and what is the purpose of it? as bernie sanders said, it is to undermine faith and institutions.ai when you have a presidential candidate saying, don't trust american democracy, because i lost, and you have republicans that follow along and undermine the american institution of democracy, and what trump's own

people said was the safest election ever, the cleanest election ever, and then you have a former president saying don't trust the jury system. and then you have senators, like marco rubio going out and saying that trial by jury in the united states of america, with all of checks and balances is no better than castro's cuba? that is the undermining of institutions that radicals on the far left did in the 60s and 70s and the conservatives used to push back against. edmund burke said that you can tear down institutions in the day that it took centuries to build up. that is exactly what is going on here. again, edmund burke, the father of conservatism said, you can tear down institutions in a day that took centuries to build.

and the essence of conservatism is to respect the institutions, to protect the institutions and not be radicals who try to undermine and tear down those institutions, which, sadly, is what the so-called conservative party has been doing now for 9 years, if their prison doesn't win. >> nine years, if you can believe. and if you think about how this show began, 17, 18 years ago, really it was supposed to be a discussion, democrat -republican, about ideas based on facts and that is what we celebrated. the civil conversation, the joy of debate and disagreeing on issues, based on facts and today we fight for the truth. today it is a completely different landscape because of what has happened over the past nine years. and, as bernie sanders pointed out, if you can take a crowd

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we are seeing a surgeon enthusiasm for the kamala harris campaign. the new polling from you covered the economist, 53% of harris supporters say they are asked dreamily enthusiast to vote this november, compared to 48% for donald trump supporters , in a poll conducted last

month, before president, joe biden's withdrawal from the 2024 race, just 37% of his supporters said they were extremely enthusiastic to vote, while 51% of trump supporters said the same. joining us now, longtime pollster and political strategist, frank luntz. frank, tell us about this new focus group that you lead with voters, who did not support biden's campaign a few weeks ago, but now they say they support the candidacy of kamala harris. what happened, what did they say? >> they are tired of trump puffy abuse and of trump's personality. they still question whether harris is mainstream or extreme. they are eager to return to a normal see in the country and, most importantly, their issue agenda, inflation is america's agenda. but they are younger than the average voter, they are more female than the average voter, and in fact, what is unique

about them, you can see how many young women are participating now. they are the ones that switch, from undecided from supporting kennedy, and you notice that kennedy's numbers have completely imploded. they had the support of kennedy or trump are undecided, and they are so excited about this younger, fresher woman running, that you can see it and feel it in their intensity, in their passion and in their desire for change. >> so, let's listen to some of the answers to the first question you asked the focus group about why they are now supporting vice president, kamala harris's campaign. >> what has vice president harris said or done that have turned you into a harris supporter, at least at this moment? we weren't supporting joe biden 14 days ago. eric i am going to start with you. >> for me it is more of an issue with donald trump and the

options that are now available. >> because of the lack of respect coming from one side about the republican party. i do believe that the far right has taken over the republican party. >> i switched, because jd vance scares the heck out of me. and that joe is just a little bit too old to have some fresh blood and to have some focus and to have somebody who is not a misogynist has made me happy again. >> based on her, her presence, her intelligence and even if i don't agree with all of her policies i trust that you will have good judgment. >> i actually was a trump loader and 16 and 20. and it was, despite his personality and a lot of the other extra issues, however, when he chose jd vance, it kind of pushed me over to having an open mind. >> i don't want to be taken

over by christian nationalist, with project 2025. the debate was a disaster, and the rnc looked like a wrestling match and jd vance is bubbly the most unlikable american i can possibly think of to run our country. i just feel like we need to take the party back, and it is not going to happen if trump or another republican is in office right this second. >> wow, frank, tell us more. i mean, it seems like jd vance played a big role in the changes and shifting attitudes in this campaign? >> well, what is happening right now is, initially, when joe biden was the democratic nominee, trump was playing on his turf, reaching out to his voters, and that is when we saw two, three, even a four point advantage for trump. these are people who disappointed, disengaged from the democratic party. now it is exactly the opposite.

these are ex-republicans, ex- conservatives, who are looking at trump and his personality, who look at the trump-vance ticket and say, this is not what i want. i want to be clear about this, the two issues that matter the most are immigration and inflation, and all those issues, donald trump still has the advantage over harris. but on these personality traits, harris has a tremendous advantage over trump, and there are people who voted for trump in 2020 that will not vote for him again, because they are tired of his rude and abusive behavior. he is literally losing this election, and i am starting to wonder, does he want to lose? is this something that is going on inside his head? simply because he doesn't want to be president for 4 more years, because no sane person would campaign the way donald trump is campaigning. >> yeah. he is exhausting a lot of people, perhaps even himself, frank good morning, good to see you. also asked the focus group to describe vice president harris

in one word and here are some of the answers frank.. >> intelligent. >> jenae? >> she is ready. >> eric? >> popping. >> krista? >> relatable. >> energetic. >> sylvia? >> annoying. >> louise? >> while five. >> carry? >> qualified was my words too. >> bella? roberto? >> unique. >> sheila? >> informed. >> kimberly? >> grounded. >> erin? >> i like grounded. >> so, frank, positive sounds like, for the most part, talking about kamala harris, and i'm sure you picked this up more broadly with the focus group, just a striking distance from where this race was a month ago and the way people are feeling about a potential democratic candidate. >> you can't even compare these responses to what was happening

three days ago, and i remind you, this is before the convention. she has getting a convention bounce before the convention, so one wonders what it is going to be like exactly 8 days from right now. they are not set in stone. i do want to emphasize that this election is still so close, it is still so inconsistent in its-- who has got the lead. but that said, all of the wind is propelling harris forward, and in the end, they are giving her a chance not only to be heard, not only a second look, but they are not considering where she was joining in 19 and 2020, this is a complete reevaluation and if i am the trump campaign right now and i am watching this, i am scared as hell, because all of the negativity, all of the hostility is directed at him, because he is still doing the same politics of 2016 and 2020 and it is 2024.

one last thing, you can talk about attributes, you can talk about issues, or you can talk about common conditions. common conditions are beginning to favor harris as inflation comes down and the economy appears to be strong. issues still favored donald trump, but the attributes are overwhelmingly in harris's favor. that is why she loves this campaign, and donald trump is playing right into her playbook. coming up, "new york times" opinion columnist, david french, joins us to talk about his latest op-ed on why he is voting for kamala harris, despite being a lifelong republican. morning joe weekend will be right back. right back.

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while there are voters experiencing a degree of trump nostalgia, remembering american life, pre-covid of a time of low employment and inflation, there is a darker story to tell about trump's first term. our social fabric, it is not just the portions have increased, drug overdose deaths hit new highs, marriage rates fell and continued their long decline. i am often asked by trump voters david writes, if i am still conservative and i responded that i can't vote for trump,'s precisely because i am conservative. the only real hope for restraint conservatism that values integrity, demonstrates real compassion and defends our foundational constitutional principles is to try and make the best of trump, a man who values only himself. if he wins again, it will validate his cruelty and his ideological transformation of the republican party. if harris wins, the west will still stand against vladimir putin, and conservative americans will have a chance to build something decent from the

ruins of a party that was once a force for genuine good in american life. david, i will let you expand a little bit on that. this is something joe talks about all the time. i'm still conservative, it is the party, the trumpets that have changed. >> yeah. absolutely. it is not just that the party has changed, but events, things have changed. so s 2016 and 2020, i voted third party, i wrote in, i could not vote for the democrat and i was not going to vote for donald trump. but there are seems things that have changed since 2020. one of them was january 6th that illustrated the lengths donald trump don't to our own constitution that donald trump would go in the next year when russia invaded ukraine you see the incredible stakes for the international order for american national security and on both of those just paramount issues trump is, not just on

the wrong side, in many ways, especially here domestically, he is the instigator of the crisis itself, and so, if you are dealing with change events, i feel like it is incumbent on me to be open to changing my mind and at least one element of my stand, and that is, in this case, to vote for the party that, at the very least is going to stand against russian aggression, and joe, you know, saying that out loud that i am voting against a republican, to make sure that the united states resists russian aggression is, again, one of those moments where you can't believe how much things have changed. >> it is a surreal moment, and i have explained to people before, i explained when donald trump was president, that i will always have great faith in america and many people say and they do. many people say that i am too optimistic. it is too glass half-full, but my feeling has always been that madisonian democracy wells off the sharp edges, that is why while donald trump was resident

that people go up to me and they go well, you are just -- this is all about, you know, an ideology, i say, no, no, you don't understand. i say it is about respecting constitutional boundaries. i am fairly confident that everybody from mike pence to bernie sanders would respect constitutional boundaries and if mike pence were president or bernie sanders were president i would worry much less than if donald trump were president because again, madisonian democracy, checks and balances and separation of powers. that rounds off the sharp edges. we can survive four years of somebody who is very conservative or very liberal. the problem here is someone who just doesn't respect constitutional boundaries and brags about being authoritarian to his supporters and, you know, the truth is, i agree

with david, there's a lot of people who think this is like clinton versus dole in 1996. but there are a few republicans i have talked to like the authoritarian streak and donald trump. they like the strawman approach. >> yeah. mike pence put his own life in danger, he put his family's life in danger in order to protect and defend the fans of constitutional democracy. it is night and day for the former president, who is now running again, telling christian, conservatives, don't worry, you won't have to vote again in four years time, because i will have it all fixed. and who knows, donald trump says stuff that is random and makes no sense, and maybe it was just another thing, he says that is random and makes no sense, but it is pretty striking when you have a candidate running for the president of united dates, who is telling his supporters and telling american voters you will not have to vote again in four years time. the implication being that

there will not be an election in four years time. now, i am one of the people who think that the american guardrails hold and that the courts are strong and the press is strong and that there will be an election in 2028 and there are an awful lot of democrats who believe there will be an election in 2028, because they want to run in 2028 but it is very different at all about donald trump. and david, when you look at kamala harris's record, as a conservative, and i know you have got fellow conservatives who are voting and people in the conservative wing of the republican party who have endorsed her, and you look at her record of things like immigration, or, as a prosecutor in san francisco or what she has had about a single- parent healthcare system or what she has said about ending fracking in pennsylvania and i know she has reversed some of that, reflections of her liberalism, is it hard for you to say that you are going to vote for her? >> yeah, it is, actually. i am a little bit encouraged that come in many ways, she is moving closer to me,

disclaiming the defund the police stuff and the defrocking bands, endorsing the border bill, for example, so, in some concrete ways she is moving more to the middle, and that is somewhat reassuring it but, yeah, at the end of the day, if she wins the presidency, there are a lot of policy issues that we would disagree on, a lot of policy issues. there are some we would agree on, such as support for ukraine, but as joe is saying, we can have that conversation, and there are other elections i can vote in, like for senate and the house that can blunt some of her more left wing policies, but we are doing it within the norms of american democracy, within the rules of american democracy, and then in the next election, if she has gone too far i will vote a different direction. but we can't treat this-- this is a core element of my peace, we can't treat this like a regular election, where some of the regular policy issues dictate our vote. there are other front-line top-

tier issues, like respect for american democracy, defense and maintaining-- defending and maintaining american allies, that are just at this very high level. and we can't pretend that they are not there. >> as david lays out the piece, the republican party now unrecognizable from what it was just a few decades ago, in terms of foreign policy and some matters here at home, but really i think the great unanswerable question is, what happened next? even if donald trump were to be defeated this fall, does that mean trump is him? does that mean the popular movement goes away? there are some in the republican party who say yes. we will rebirth this party into something new for 2028, i don't know there is a guarantee of that. he is still going to be the loudest voice in the party, most likely. certainly, he-- his running mate is set up to be allowed for his party going forward. the maga has captured so many

statehouses, the house of representatives, in particular. i don't know that even if donald trump remained in december that this would change. this is the maga movement. it might look different, have a different name on top of it, but i don't know that we can just take, as faith . >> tens of millions of regular supporters as well on board. as well as inside the editorial pages wall street journal, jared baker writing this morning trump is looking like a loser again. talk about the press conference last week that he calls false, obtuse and lunatic. next. an increasing number of pregnant women say they are being denied care at emergency rooms, even when they are facing life-threatening complications. we will get into that, right after a short break. break. [rumble] [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong. missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra,

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according the to the aap, two women, when in florida and one in texas were left to miscarry in public restrooms. and arkansas, a woman went into septic shock and her fetus died after an emergency room center home. at least four other women, with ectopic pregnancies have trouble getting treatment, including one in california, who needed a blood transfusion after she's nap for 9 hours in an emergency waiting room the biden administration says hospitals must offer abortions,

when needed to save a woman's life, despite state fans enacted after the supreme court overturned will be weighed more than two years ago. joining us now, the president of the ceo for the center of reproductive rights, nancy north right, her attorneys are representing two women in their complaints. also with us, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance. thank you both for being with us. nancy, i guess it is an understatement that the case that you are representing, and that you are talking about were preventable, but for these laws. am i wrong? >> yeah. what happened to these women should frighten anybody who lives in a state, where abortion is banned. the women in the complaint that we filed with the federal government almost died. they had an ectopic pregnancy, a pregnancy growing in the fallopian tube that cannot survive and it is life- threatening to women, and yet,

they were denied care, when they went to the hospital, they had to be on death's door before they got abortion care. because it is just dangerous to live in any state where abortion is banned. you don't know if your pregnancy is going to be the one that has such a complication that it threatens your life. >> now, i have heard of these complications, they are not very unusual situations. joyce vance, how important are these lawsuits, and do you agree , but for these laws, these women wouldn't be in this situation? >> well, i think that is absolutely right. but for the end of roe versus wade, but for dobbs, which permitted all of the states to adopt these bands, we wouldn't be in this position. and the work that nancy is doing is incredibly important, these are complaints that are filed, administratively, to try to get to the bottom of what went on here and expose these facts on a parallel track that

the biden administration is trying to get this law back in front of the supreme court. last term they had a case from idaho, from the ninth circuit and they ducked the issue. now, the solicitor general has asked the supreme court to revisit this law and to assure doctors and states across the country that they can provide emergency care without facing some of the draconian penalties these state laws now provide for. >> nancy, looking at the big picture here in the work you do every day and have done for a long time, can you speak now that we are just over two years since the end of roe by the supreme court as donald trump selects the supreme court justices and the law is overturned. can you just speak, generally to how the reproductive rights have changed on the ground as a practical question, that it is not some abstract thing, but what it is like to be a woman in some of the states? >> absolutely. we have 14 states that banned abortion, and counting, banning

abortion and pregnancy, and in those states, you cannot get abortion care, and they claim to have exceptions, you know, for health, but we are seeing right here with these, even ectopic president pregnancies, a pregnancy going down the fallopian tube, you can't get care, but you can't if you are in the middle of an a medical emergency, you are in the er, you need care right then, so-- and doctors, you know in texas they are looking at 92 9 1/2 years in prison. so they can't provide the care they need looking over their shoulder and whether they will be prosecuted. >> right. nancy, i am curious that one of the women that we are looking at in these terrible cases is from california. california doesn't have the band. doesn't speak to the confusion that doctors and hospitals are facing, when dealing with women with complications in their pregnancies, when they come into the er's? >> welcome to the california case may be one am aware it was delayed care. she was in the er, but what you

see in states where abortion is banned is that they are really frightened to act. that is just the case. we assume texas on behalf of a lot of women who have need for abortion, the standard care that, in the past they would have been given in a pregnancy complication. and again, you don't know if your pregnancy is going to result in a complication, like people didn't think about that when roe versus wade was overturned, that it makes every single pregnant person in a state, potentially threatening to be able to lose their lives, because of these abortion brands. >> joyce, i want to follow up with what nancy just said, the prosecution part of this. for the provider, for the doctor, for the clinic that is now suddenly a legal jeopardy. how sound is this reasoning? is there anything of the appeals courts that could look at? give us your take of this review. >> so, of course, every state has its own law, different

laws, but these laws are now constitutional, following the supreme court's decision in dobbs, and just like any other state law, if you have a willing attorney general, and many of the states that have banned abortion do, then that attorney general can begin to pursue these sorts of prosecutions, when they decide the timing is right, and very often that timing has more to do with politics than what makes sense for women's lives. >> all right, we would like to track these cases and more, as they come to you. president and ceo for the center for reproductive rights, nancy northup, please come back. thank you so much for coming on this morning, and msnbc legal analyst, as always, joyce vance, thank you both very much. joyce, of course, cohost of the famous sisters-in-law podcast. coming up, emmy nominated actress, liza stops by to talk about her role on the hit show, the bear, which received a record-breaking 23 emmy nominations, that is right after the break.

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two my husband has been waiting for a promotion for yours that is probably not coming., i lost my job, four, i have been for every job in the and i can get arrested. five? i am 46 years old. >> oh boy. >> yeah. >> is there are number six? >> i also can't remember the last time i went to bed. >> well, you feel better. >> no. >> she is so good. a flashback scene from season three of fx's the bear, released to rave reviews last month. critical plan, nothing new for this show, of course, his

second season recently earned 23 emmy nominations, breaking your time with since berkeley comedy series. joining us now one of the coasters of the bear you just saw there, liza colon-zayas, she has been nominated for an emmy award herself, progress pending actress in a comedy series for her role as tina on the show. liza, we are so happy to have you here at this table, and you, in particular, i am just curious what it has been like to be a part of something. you have been at this, like tina, for some time, off broadway, broadway, making your name earning a living, and now you are on the show at the moment, what is it like to be standing here? >> it is surreal. i never imagined that this would take off like a wildfire, globally. i feel so blessed, i love the cast, i love my job. >> for people who haven't seen

the show and i am told there are some, i guess. tell us a little bit about tina, who she is and where she fits in the story, what you loved about her on the page when you audition for her. >> i didn't have a lot of information. i only had one scene. it was in the middle of the pandemic, and so, i just went with my natural riffraff impulses and then we shot the pilot and we had so much fun. we had so much fun and so, to watch it, my stress level and so high, and to not expected, but i am so proud that it-- so many people from different walks of life share and empathize with tina's struggle. >> one of the beautiful things to watch within the context of the show is, we meet tina early on and you say i like her, she is complicated, she has got a lot going on in her life.

she is just trying to get by command to see the role grow over the three seasons of where we got your own episode and we are learning everything about your story, as an actor that has got to be incredible to know that the audience, the writers, everybody saw enough and you and that character to grow the way it has. >> absolutely. i feel like i have really earned it. you know, i am from theater, so i always feel like every night the pressure is on. this is a new performance, you have to earn it. and i feel that they saw the skills even deeper this beautiful episode is just so happy. >> let's talk about this, we just played it coming in, and for so many viewers it is a signature moment of the season, what was it like >> when i got the script i started crying. then i saw that iowa's going to direct and then my husband playing my real husband, who

isn't, you know, bad news, he is a staple, good sweetheart. that is my baby. and it-- it almost feels like an embarrassment of riches i feel so lucky. it is not that i haven't heard it. i know i have earned it. but you have this caliber of writing. >> we have a second hour of morning joe on this sunday morning. coming up right after the break. um-hum. they're not sitting. -and it rocks... you need to sit down. ♪ wayfair. every style. every home. ♪

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welcome back to morning joe weekend. here are some of the big conversations from the past few days we didn't want you to miss. >> with 81 days left until the election, trump needs to focus on the issues. let's hear this intellectual, focused economic policy speech. >> crooked joe. remember what kind of joke? what kind of ice cream is we favorite? vanilla. i love vanilla. >> okay, i guess you have to warm up first. you can't just jump into the economics, start by attacking the guy you aren't even running against anymore. now that you are warmed up, economics, go. >> we can do it the nice way or we can do it the hard way and he's getting out. he is getting out. they are not even getting him a good spot to speak. you know when he's speaking?

monday. monday is the worst day. >> monday is the worst day? that is a garfield policy. joe biden is not in the race anymore. let's focus on your current opponent. >> barack obama. >> oh my god. girl, you've got to move on. he does not think about you. >> it's like "the daily show," said he goes off on a tangent. he doesn't talk about the issues his staff wants him to talk about, his campaign wants him to talk about, republicans want him to talk about. they keep saying talk about inflation, keep talking about crime, keep talking about the border. instead, he does the very things they repeatedly say he

shouldn't do. he makes fun of kamala harris, he questions her intelligence, he questions her blackness. you name it, he does it. all these things that are showing that he doesn't have the discipline his own campaign staff and republicans think he needs to have to win this election. >> there's this ongoing charade were inside her speak to the press about donald trump and sometimes they go on television and say he has to change tactic, he has to get down to the issues, as if he ever has or ever will. he's donald trump. i don't know what they think is going to change. the strategy appears to be to put him out there a lot. needed a news conference at mar- a-lago, yesterday in bedminster, new jersey. the result is always the same just as it is at the rallies. personal grievance. there was a telling moment when he was asked about nikki haley's criticism and rarely politely for him didn't attacker. he said appreciate your advice

but have to do it my way. we see where my weight has landed him so far since kamala harris took over. we have a great group assembled, the host of inside jen psaki is here. national affairs analyst and partner achieve columnist, john hellman, pulitzer prize author, presidential historian doris kearns goodwin, and ceo of the mussina group, jim messina, who served as deputy chief of staff to president obama and ran his 2012 reelection campaign. jim, i will start with you. we haven't talked in a few weeks. there was early in the summer, after the debate with joe biden and donald trump, true doom and gloom among democrats about where this was headed. hopes that they could hang onto the senate and the house and sport donald trump as he went to another term. that has been turned on its head. how are you looking at this race with the stipulation that it is still the middle of august and there's a lot of road ahead?

>> you are exactly right. there's a long road ahead. the two numbers i'm looking at the first is enthusiasm. that's the number you can track the best. put aside the daily polls. who has enthusiastic supporters? right now, it is the harris campaign. democrats were down 25 points in enthusiasm before joe biden got out. they now have a 14 point lead in enthusiasm. why is this important? you need people to do two things. you need them to vote and you need them to get their friends and supporters to also felt. that is incredibly important. in these orphan states that aren't part of the presidential landscape but will decide control of the house and senate, democrats have exploded and in these senate races, immigrants are four points since harris got into the race in the senate races. the horse races, they are showing big numbers in the states of new york and california, which is where the

biggest number of these swing seats are that will decide who has the election. that is the first number we are looking at. the second number is these double haters, voters who don't like either one of them. think about politics only four minutes a week. they have gone from basically a tie between the two parties to now kamala harris leading donald trump by 41 points with these double hater voters. that is a big number and chose this enthusiasm we've been talking about. >> john, one of the problems with the campaign staff that they are having right now is they can't get donald trump to focus on the issues. on inflation, on crime, on the border, the issues they want him to talk about. it seems every time he goes out and he gives a press conference or a speech or whatever you want to call what he's doing at all of his country clubs, he says things that are either deeply insulting to women or,

you know, yesterday, deeply insulting to medal of honor winners, devaluing the medal of honor, citing the civilian honor that he gave to miriam adelson was much better because if you are a medal of honor winner, the chances are good you are shot up or dead. >> joe, i think the specifics, i'm still processing that line of reasoning from yesterday and how deeply insulting it is to anyone who served and how i can't imagine any previous republican or democratic candidate doing something that egregious. here is the thing. we've talked about this before. there is this race, this battle to define kamala harris. she is trying to define herself and her allies are trying to define her. republicans, donald trump, trump campaign are trying to

define her in a different way. why is she winning that battle? she is winning that battle because she wins, she has won every single new cycle since she became the defector the democratic nominee. she has talked about the future. donald trump is stuck in the past. she is putting out, piece by piece, whether it is on things, on policy. today, she is going to start to outline her economic policy whether it is talking about her biography, whether it is this well-crafted stump speech she's been given, she is building the bricks, laying the bricks the foundation of her public image for those who don't know, don't have a clear sense of who she is. the republicans are not just running a bad campaign to try to define her, they are running nine different campaigns at the same time. i just saw an ad on air where they are trying to willie horton her, try to turn her into to caucus. they have ads that try to make her a clone of joe biden, make

her own all the biden administration's, the things people proceed as have not gone well in the biden administration. she is the dei candidate, she is the manchurian candidate. we don't even know her last name, harris, what is that last name as if she is some kind of mysterious other who we can't get a bead on. on the other hand, she is familiar, according to trump, she just turned black in order to take advantage of some kind of affirmative action program. at the same time, she is a san francisco radical. we note that the who she is, she is your standard san francisco leftist, communist. if you are going to try to define her, you are never going to succeed if you have nine different messages and the most undisciplined candidate in the history of the world because the advertising doesn't matter in a presidential race this late compared to the free media, the media, especially when your candidate is donald trump.

every time he goes out, he's spouting all kinds of different things about her. in the middle of that, he says at least five things the media focuses on instead of his message against kamala harris. that is the story right now. she is winning the most important battle right now because, partly because of how well she is performing but partly because of how much the trump campaign and donald trump are flailing. >> the harris campaign is gleeful donald trump wants to keep having these news conferences and these events. every time he does, he said something else that is them more material. so jen psaki, because of the enthusiasm jim was talking about him polling among democrats, we have an entirely different convention next week in chicago than we would about a month ago, where there was a lot of consternation, let's say about the candidate appeared joe biden now speaking on monday instead of thursday, where he would have been as the nominee. kamala harris on thursday.

what should we expect and what do you think this dnc needs to topless for democrats questioning >> i spent the day in chicago at the united center. i spent some time with the governor. i had a shot of the lord with him. he's quite excited about next week. the interesting thing about the convention is there are some things that will feel different and be different. there hasn't been a convention that this with people attending in eight years because of covid- 19. with vice president harris at the top of the ticket, it means things like her sorority, the divine nine, they will be celebrating the room. there has never been a nominee that is a member of the divine nine. maybe we see camouflage hats for tim walz. they have a stage that is dedicated just to creators, people who do content for social media platforms. that has never been done before. there will still be speeches and balloons and things like that.

for harris, to john's point, a lot of people have gotten to know her a little bit over the last couple of weeks, there's a lot of joy around the campaign, which is a big factor as to why people are excited, same with tim walz, this is your best opportunity between now and november to introduce herself to a wider swath of the public. for her, that is about a couple of things. conveying what her bio is, talking about a future looking message, and trying to contrast with donald trump. it is really what the balance is in her speech. it will be more the first two than the last third of that. this is a huge moment for her. all of the convention builds up to her. the piece that is different, and you touched on this, joe biden, the president of the united states, whose beloved in the party, is speaking on monday night. there's a lot of excitement, a lot of people are feeling quite emotional about that. you can see that in people's faces yesterday when i was at the united center. a lot of people are flying in for that. there's going to be a staff

party after that. that would be a big moment on monday night, standing ovation, i would expect, and people want to celebrate the president, given the decision he made and all of his accomplishment over the course of his term. more morning joe weekend after a quick break. break. getting a fresh deal at subway has never been easier. just buy any footlong in the app, get another free. the only hard part is, telling travis he doesn't get the second footlong. wait, seriously? i got you next time, buddy!

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vice president kamala harris is set to release her first major economic plan as a presidential candidate later today in north carolina. we will include, we are told, proposing a federal ban on corporate price gouging for food and groceries. our next guest, democratic senator of bob casey of pennsylvania, introduced the price gouging prevention act, which promises to crack down on public price gouging and protect american families from so-called greed inflation. senator casey joined us now, he is a member of the senate finance and intelligence committees and running for reelection in a seat that could determine the balance of power

for the senate. senator casey, good to have you with us. let's start with the idea of price gouging. a lot of economists believe that the margins are so thin at a grocery store that they are not gouging prices, they are trying to keep up with supply and demand. what do you say to that? >> here are the fact in terms of corporate america. this is what we are talking about. the big companies, the companies that are producing food and the companies that are manufacturing household items, that is where the price gouging has taken place. between july of 20 and july of 22, corporate profits rose 75% in america. that is five times the rate of inflation. we should not just accept it and say there's nothing we can do about it. we should point out, as i've done in a greed-flation report, recently streaming services doing this as well. the junk fees the

administration has worked on. and a whole range of fronts, you've got corporate america, after getting the biggest corporate tax cut anyone can remember, jacking up their prices and just saying get used to it and bragging about it on shareholder calls. we have to do three things. go after them, he was price gouging legislation to do that, and get the federal trade commission the power it does not have right now. secondly, to rollback the big corporate tax breaks because obviously they didn't need them. the idea that we should throw up our hands and say that is capitalism is ridiculous. you've got, look, if a company has costs and they offset it with prices, no one would dispute that or argue with that. when they jack up their prices, hiding behind inflation or hiding behind the idea of the pandemic causing this or supply chains, it is a lot of bs. we should go after them and investigate them. if they are not price gouging, they have nothing to worry about

. >> let me just read you a quick passage from a piece in "the washington post," an op-ed that writes, "it is hard to exaggerate how bad this policy is. it is, in all but name, a sweeping set of government enforced price controls across every industry, not only food. supply and demand would not only no longer determine basis and profit levels, washington bureaucrats would. the d.c. would belittle a kroger in ohio the acceptable price it can charge for milk." curious how you respond to that from "the washington post," and who decides when a price at a grocery store in ohio is excess of. >> it is not at the grocery store level, this is at the corporate level. they were making record profits, we've never seen the kind of profits in corporate america the last couple of years and when they are doing that, they are bragging about increasing prices. my point is that we should give the federal government the power to investigate just a run- of-the-mill price gouging and

give the people an opportunity to fight back against it. if they are not engaged in corporate price gouging, they have nothing to worry about. this is long overdue. people are tired of just accepting higher prices. consumers have a lot of power here. because i have pointed it out for the better part of nine or 10 months, people are putting pressure and some of that public pressure is working on some of these big corporations. they've had it pretty good. they got the biggest tax cut imaginable, along with the billionaires. that is why they are attacking me in this campaign. they know i won't vote for their tax cuts and they also know that i'm not going to give up on prosecuting this case on corporate price gouging and people get it. >> senator casey, as you just indicated, you are up for reelection in pennsylvania. as you go around, not just

western pennsylvania, your home area, but the entire state, how do you cope with the fact that the republican nominee for president nearly every day, and he did it again yesterday, he concentrates on fear of the future without trump, fear of the future and this country is really a third world nation, all the usual stuff he's been spewing for a long time, how do you cope with that, what do you hear when you are out there with voters? >> all across our state, like in a lot of states, every state, really, people are concerned about cost. this issue of gouging and prices, food prices and prices for household items and so many other things that we buy, whether it is hotel accommodations or renting a car, just hidden fees in all of that. we hear about that a lot. i think people want us to fight back against it and have proposals to do it. one of the best things we can do is what vice president

harris will outline today, among many ideas, something i have been a leader on, which is to give families raising children the greater opportunity to benefit from the child tax credit. we found out how to reduce child poverty and we can help those families, especially if you have these prices going up for food all the time or gas prices or anything else. we should give families the power to have the resources to manage those prices. that is what i hear about most of the time. the high cost and how we can get them down. the cap on insulin that has been in effect, those of had the effect or will have the effect of lowering prices for seniors. we have a long way to go to lower costs and i think she's speaking to that in the campaign. >> there was some good news in that inflation report a couple of days ago in terms of prices at the grocery store. democratic senator bob casey, thanks as always for your time. we appreciate it. morning joe weekend we'll

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you can't do it, vladimir. you do it, it's going to be a bad day. you cannot do it. i told him things that what i do and he said no way and i said way. >> no way. >> way. >> no way. >> yes way. >> there you go. i love it. but also we could have shown the clip of fdr talking to stalin at yalta. when he said he was going into eastern europe. it was fdr that said no way and stalinists that way. >> those letters between fdr and churchill in 1940 begging

for help in the war. please join me, my dear franklin. he would describe no way and he would cable back "way." >> exactly. it's pretty moving. >> that was part of the interview donald trump did with elon musk where he was describing his relationship and his diplomacy with vladimir putin. and that's and 16, then it senate majority leader mitch mcconnell stood in the way of president barack obama's appointment of merrick garland to the supreme court. he then flip-flopped a few years later when donald trump was in office. >> the american people may well elect a president who decides to nominate judge garland for senate consideration. the next president may also nominate somebody very different. either way, our view is this, give the people a voice in filling this vacancy.

>> we felt it. >> mitch mcconnell rest through this supreme court confirmation of trump's appointment justice amy coney barrett in 2020, an election year. our next says that action i mitch mcconnell lifted the veil for many americans about how rules don't apply to today's republican party. joining us now, host of the "no lie" podcast, brian tyler cowen. his new book is entitled "shameless, republicans delivered dysfunction and the battle to preserve democracy." good morning, congratulations on the book. i will have you explain more on your thesis, we used mitch mcconnell as an example, perhaps the most prominent example of changing the rules midstream. what else do you write about in the book, how does this show itself in our politics? >> talk more broadly about how republicans have relied on the

long-standing brand to give themselves permission structure to act in a way that is antithetical to that branding. i talk about how they present themselves as the party of the constitution of the party of family values, of fiscal responsibility, states rights, of the military and yet, in practice, they actually behave in a way that is completely opposite to that. this kind of, this presents itself as letting the american people feel like it is okay to vote for them because they are good on the economy, when in fact they are not good on the economy and we of metric after metric to prove all of those things. >> brian, let's talk about the role the media plays in this phenomenon, willingly, often from the conservative side and unwittingly from what some would consider the mainstream media. how does it happen? >> i think a big part, what i call the both side media in this book has given them cover to act this way. it is in large part how the media has allowed them to,

given them the permission structure to act this way because they don't want to be labeled as the liberal media so they will bend over backwards to kowtow to the right and act as their assignment editors. >> can you talk to me about republican policies and how you feel that informs this thesis? >> in terms of the republican policies that we see, look, republicans present themselves as the party of family values, just to choose one. they are, right now, blocking the ivf bill in the senate. i don't see how that is family values friendly. they block snap benefits and medicare and medicaid and social security, none of those lend themselves to this idea that they are family values. if you look at the states that republicans have full control and, those are the states with the worst outcomes in maternal mortality and infant mortality. nothing comports with this idea of family values. for all of their policies, they

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is gracing her first magazine cover since becoming the democratic party's presidential nominee. "essence magazine" has just released the cover of its september-october issue. the story features vice president harris is sit down during last months essence best. the discussion is from before she took the reins of the presidential election. in it, she touches on her stance on several pressing issues, including the supreme court, abortion access, and former president trump. joining us now, president and ceo of essence ventures. she interviewed the vice president at essence fest. also with us, president and ceo of the global black economic forum, alphonso david. to have you with us. caroline, set the scene for this interview. you conducted it before she actually became the democratic nominee. >> hold on a second. hold on one second.

do you not notice what she's wearing? >> let's talk about it, joe. >> she's wearing the same outfit. i wear that outfit every christmas eve. my kids think i'm crazy. >> i don't appreciate you putting our business out there. that is between me and you, joe. this was for you. this was for you. >> i appreciate it. >> in honor of cornell west, who said justice is what love looks like in public. you are reading that, joe. >> i was going to tell everybody about you and joe. >> we are out now. we are out now. >> let me tell you something, let me tell you something, one can do far worse than following the lead of brother cornell. >> you remember when we commissioned the outfit after he said it. >> of course.

why do you think i wear it every christmas eve? >> that is why we don't split holidays. you take christmas, i will have easter. >> we will let you go ahead. >> it's all good. >> that's okay. i think you look amazing, caroline. i had trouble seeing in the boxes but i did see, now i see it. i see it. it is fabulous. you rock and way better than joe does. >> you should see him on christmas, though. i will send it to you. >> i always wonder where he goes. set the scene for this interview. you hit on some consequential issues with the vice president. >> here's the thing. we have in essence we call chief to chief. it was developed to help the over 30 million black women that look to us for inspiration

and understanding to find the chief within themselves. we feature women in different chief positions in community and corporate and other spaces. vp harris was wonderful enough to give us the opportunity to do hers at the festival. the point of chief to chief is to help you find the chief within themselves. while she did talk a lot about what she was looking to do in office then and now, we also know that what was more important about that setting, and if you were there live, your goosebumps got goosebumps, which was about the way that this community galvanized around the energy into moment that means there will never be a date again when there hasn't been a black woman vice president. three chief to chief, we mated a conversation where everyone can find themselves in history. what she has done becomes possible for them. tweeted that at the end of the global black economic forum summit and activation at the festival. we had a packed room of several

folks and we streamed it to a number of places. conveniently, at the time that biden announced he was stepping down, we were able to release that and have the community continue to celebrate what she represents. now, celebrate her and this historic moment she is in. of course, you can't be that and not be on the cover of "essence." we also made sure this never happened. we welcome her into the " essence" cover girl community. that is the subscribers issue that will come out on the 26th. it is a collectors edition because we haven't had this month in recent history. it was important to not just have chief to chief out there digitally. the interview was also in the magazine and the cover she has a wonderful around being undeterred and unwavering, which connect very well to our sister, shirley chisholm, who said "unbowed, on bost." >> what people need to understand, essence festival is the largest gathering of black

people in the country annually. >> more than just black people. >> more than just black people come. everybody comes. you can't check in without being too essence festival. you put me on the stage, alphonso. not only did kamala harris do the chief to chief, you put her on stage the night that hip-hop was there to make sure people hurt her. talk about the cultural impact. what you've done, your leadership has saved us all. the great titan, you have become a cultural phenomenon to expand the reach of essence. white is it important? that is why we honored you, why is it important it is in essence? >> this cultural artifact we call "essence" doesn't belong to any one person. it is what has told us we have the right to exist in for over five decades.

this particular moment for essence, what we are doing is owning what essence did for black women in the 50 years before now. that is all of the work "essence" and tell the story as a black woman doing great things now has women as the ceos of home, culture, and community. it is not stating other members of community are not active, it means when her neck turns, asked is not just the community but the world. we have seen that in multiple places. coming up ahead of next week's democratic national convention in chicago, we will speak with george packer on what democrats can learn from the chaos of 1968. 1968.

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>> george, thank you so much for being here. this resonates with me personally because i grew up in a family of lifelong democrats.

fdr democrats. he walking to our house and they had a picture of fdr on the wall. my grandma did, my law said he was like a king to them. and good reason because they struggled through the great depression, my grandma and granddad had four children in the depths of the great depression. they were fdr democrats all the way. that changed in 1968. i was young but i could see, through my parents eyes, it wasn't just the convention. but, it was the assassinations, the riots, people burning their draft cards, burning the american flag. it was all of this stuff that moved my parents to the republican party. and i love how you summed it all up. if you go back to 1968 and the

riots in chicago, the big winners were the antiwar left and richard nixon. without the chaos in chicago, without the mask defections, hubert humphrey would have probably won the presidency, wouldn't he? >> i think that's right. historians both at the time and since then have said that the chaos in chicago, which was later called a police riot, let's remember that the police instigated most of the violence in chicago, filled tv screens. people were watching in real time, had never seen anything like it in a televised convention while delegates were on the floor choosing a nominee. those scenes shifted enough middle-of-the-road voters like your parents to give the election to nixon because, as we know, it was an incredibly

close election. it wasn't expected to be but humphrey closed the gap at the end and might have one without the loss of those centrist democrats and independents. and also because of all the democrats who stayed home and didn't vote or voted for eldridge cleaver because of hubert humphrey's association with the johnson administration and the war in vietnam. the party was completely divided, tore itself apart both on the convention floor and in the streets. and, it is kind of amazing that humphrey came as close as he did given the scenes that we are looking at right now. >> let's try comparison. everybody catastrophize is about what happened last week, what happened last month, what has happened this year. and, while we say all the time how quickly history is moving and it has been, we are all experiencing vertigo of sorts, it still doesn't compare to 1968. it started with the assassination of martin luther

king, the tet offensive. 100 american cities burning, the assassination of bobby kennedy in june of that year. again marais gets on college campuses, mass protests in the street. 1968 was far different than 2024, was it not? >> absolutely. as i wrote, the issue and 68 was a war in southeast asia were 500,000 americans were fighting and dying. the issue in 2024 was the declining brain of the president of the united states. kind of a different level of drama and tragedy. 68 also changed the democratic party, really for good until today, by changing the rules of how delegates were selected. because of the chaos in

chicago, the party decided to reform itself and create new rules so that party bosses, mayors and big series like richard daley would no longer control whole state delegations. in 72, there was a new way of choosing delegates that was basically the primary and caucus system that we know today in which there was guaranteed representation for groups that had been excluded, young people, women, blacks. so, that really set the democratic party in the direction it has been on ever since and it became the party of activists, the hardy of college educated activists. it was the end of your parents fdr, new deal democratic party and the beginning of the democratic party bill clinton, barack obama, and kamala harris. coming up, the festival that changed modern music forever took a turn, 50 years old this week, next on morning joe weekend. joe weekend. ] recipes written by hand and lost to time...

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>> that is one of the most iconic musical performances of all time, the great jimi hendrix playing the star- spangled banner at woodstock in 1969, which began 55 years ago today. other legendary acts, joan baez, graham nash, david crosby, janis joplin, and the who, all of them photographed by our next guest.

joining is now at the site of woodstock in bethel, new york, music photographer henry dilts. in addition to being the official photographer to document woodstock in 1969, he returned to clinical the 25th anniversary concert in 1994. henry, it is great to have you with us and so cool to see you standing on the site of what was an incredible event 55 years ago. there he is, revealing it like superman. take us back. >> this is the farm and the hill that at 400, 450,000 people on it. >> henry, take us back to those three days. correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't that hendrix performance i like 10:00 in the morning? it was just kind of going on all day at all hours? what was it like to be there in the middle of it? >> it was amazing. we were gob smacked.

they expected a crowd of maybe 50,000. when 450,000 showed up, everybody was scrambling to get everything working. but, it was wonderful. it was three days of peace and love and music and unity and the feeling of freedom. it was wonderful. we were all peace and love hippies. we were against the war in vietnam, we didn't want to get drafted. then we all came here because michael lange wanted to have three days of peace and love and music. by golly, he polled it off. it was partly his spirit that made it all happen. everybody shared, there wasn't enough food or water, everybody shared everything. it was unity, which is what we need rather than dividing and inciting, we need to unify and

be inspired. i think woodstock is a symbol of that. >> henry, one of the classic acts that performed at woodstock in 1969 was the root of the great movie made about eight years later written by bo goldman. not bill goldman, bo goldman. the movie was called "the rose," and the performer that the film was based on was janis joplin. tell us about photographing and hanging out with janis joplin in 1969. >> she was amazing. i had an all access pass. i got to be right up close. i was the closest person to the stage of 450,000 people. and i was on stage and right in front of the stage. she was amazing. i had seen her a few times before but what a heart, what a sound she made. it was a beautiful. there were so many, joe cocker

was great, crosby stills and nash, so great. of course, jimi hendrix. when he played the star- spangled banner, it was at first, i was like 10 yards away from him photographing him. it was kind of surprising like wait a minute, that is, we were against the government and against the war and it seemed like what is he playing, that is their song, not our song. then the thing is wait a minute, he is reclaiming it for us. us. morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern, foregoing you week up morning joe. and the start of the democratic national convention. what a week it is going to. until tomorrow, enjoy the un rest of your weekend.