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good evening credit tonight on ayman, we are less than a day from the start of the democratic national convention. organizers hope to harness energy from the harris-walz campaign. can they pass a significant test with planned protests outside? plus, former congressman beto o'rourke is here tonight with white he believes his home state of texas is winnable for democrats. and just outside deeply what new york city is a county now criminalizing mask wearing and the reasons why do not add up. i am ayman, let's do it. tomorrow, all eyes will be on chicago. the democratic national convention kicks off, and this morning, the party released their roster of prime time speakers. in addition to vice president kamala harris and governor walz, bill and hillary clinton,

barack and michel obama and many others will be taking the stage at united center. harris and walz kicked off the bus tour today, and they did so in a race that polls show has shifted and the democrats' favor since biden dropped out and they rallied around harris. the latest post showing paris with a four point lead, and yes, that is within the margin of error. the emergence of harris and the selection of walz as a running mate has breathed new life into the democratic party and it has undoubtedly injected the borders with excitement, hope, and even joy. but she is still in a neck and neck race with a convicted felon who tried to violently overturn our democracy. so, the stakes of this convention cannot be higher. in her first few weeks as the democratic nominee, harris has already proven herself capable of making big and bold decisions. most democratic strategists

wanted her to pick a running mate with the pond and approved label of a centrist or immoderate, she didn't, she went her own way and selected walz, who has successfully passed a progressive, populist agenda as governor. and this week, knowing that republicans stood ready to label her as a socialist or even a communist, she unveiled a populist economic agenda, including a plan to combat price gouging by grocery store chain sprint but there is one issue where she has not yet displayed this boldness or this willingness to confront powerful interests. and it is the same issue that had joe biden in the polls long before his disastrous debate performance. in the new york times, it is written: there is perhaps no issue that divides the democrat party more than the u.s. government's support for israel's retaliation following the brutal attack by hamas on october 7th. if the harris campaign is unable to address this thorny issue in a way that feels like

substance, democrats may not get the unity they will need to win in november. and the key word here is substance. harris has already proven she can show more compassion and empathy towards palestinians, more than joe biden, who came across as cold, cruel, and clueless, but that bar is extremely low, and empty slogans will bring back the more than 40,000 palestinians, including more than 16,000 children who have not been killed by the israeli military in less than 10 months. the american position on palestine can't be i feel your pain while at the same time being the country supplying the bonds that is causing that pain. and that is why more than 150 groups nationwide have joined a coalition to march at the dnc with estimates that tens of thousands will be there to protest. how harris and the democrats deal with this, not just the

protests on the outside themselves, but the substance, the core of this issue, maybe our biggest test heading into chicago. the stakes cannot be any higher. with us now from chicago's nbc news correspondent maggie, it is good to have you, i know the protests -- tens of thousands of them expected in chicago over the course of this week, some of them have already arrived, i know you have been speaking to some of them, what are they hoping to accomplish with these protests on the outside and the dnc on the inside of the united center? >> basically, they want to let the democratic party know that they can't take for granted the votes of factions of the party who are in great about the war in gaza, who are angry about the loss of reproductive rights for instance, and that is the cross-section of this protest. you can see the stage, you can see the signs, they're talking about abortion rights, lgbtq protections, and they are talking about calling for a cease-fire in gaza and the pro- palestinian cause. we're talking several hundred to 1000 people in this group,

which is called bodies outside of unjust laws. they are expected to march down michigan avenue here shortly. we are going to walk this way and look at the police response to these groups. chicago pd saying they had been going through first amendment and fourth amendment training to get ready for the dnc. we have bike cops out, we also have snowplows blocking different streets. this essentially is just getting started in chicago, and one thing we have been talking to a lot of people about and a lot of protesters have told us, that in their minds, it didn't make any difference when vice president harris ascended to the top of the ticket instead of president biden. here is the organizer of this march here tonight, speaking to them. >> we as rights activists and our own good conscience cannot keep silent while there is a genocide happening, supported by our government. now, a lot of people say to me, now we have god, love, it is going to be so much better. in practice, she isn't, at

least so far. and we judge people by what they do and not what they say. >> so again, ayman, this group is called bodies outside of unjust laws. this is the first of seven permitted protests expected in the city throughout the week. we know of at least two others that are unpermitted that are also expected. the vast majority of those protests are pro-palestinian protests, people angry about the war in gaza and demanding a cease-fire there. in the meantime, tomorrow afternoon's protest is expected to be the largest one, that is the one we are talking about, with now at 270 organizations joining a coalition to march on the dnc. organizers they are expecting up to 25,000 people. >> maggie vespa, thank you for that. as we have been saying, all eyes will be on vice president kamala harris. here is a live picture of her making her way now in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, she is expected to board the flight

from pennsylvania where she has been campaigning all day with her running mate, governor walz, they're going to be flying to chicago momentarily to be arriving there ahead of the democratic national convention, which officially starts tomorrow morning. you see there vice president kamala harris, staffers, as well as others that have been with her throughout the course of the day at the tarmac in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. let's switch gears now and bring into the conversation with us james, president of the arab american institute, cofounder of the uncommitted national movement, as well as peter, msnbc political analyst and author of the buying art notebook. it is great to have all three of you with us. i guess i will start with you, because you cofounded this uncommitted movement in michigan. obviously, a lot of eyes are going to be on your organization, your movement, to see what comes out of this convention. your organization helped turn out over 100,000 voters in a

critical swing state to make their voices heard about the issue of what is taking place in gaza. what do you want to hear from the democrats in chicago, and more importantly, what is your movement specifically calling for? >> thank you so much for having me, ayman. i am proud to be one of 30 uncommitted delegates here at the democratic national convention. we are organizing with cease- fire delegates, harris delegates who believe like us that we need a new approach to gaza policy that breaks from the disastrous approach of the last 10 months that has resulted in the killing of tens of thousands of palestinians, of civilians using u.s. bombs and money. over 16,000 children have been killed using u.s. taxpayer bonds and money. what we are looking for is to hear from vice president harris herself. vice president harris, how do you plan to support a policy that stops sending bombs that are being used to kill civilians?

this is an issue that is central to our democratic party, most democratic voters support a cease-fire and a stop to the unconditional flow of weapons to benjamin netanyahu's murderous campaign, and we are hoping vice president harris will articulate a policy that begins the essential process of stopping the killing. >> peter, you have a new op-ed in the times today, saying harris can change biden's policy on israel just by upholding the law. some have called for an arms embargo, some have called for the united states to back accountability measures in international forum like the icc and icj. those are unlikely to happen right now, but you are saying if the u.s. just upholds its own laws, there would be a market difference in what we have seen over the last 10 months, explain that. >> right, so the irony is that just enforcing u.s. law would produce a radically different policy than what joe biden has been pursuing, because there is a law on the books for quite a long time how the leahy law, which says that the united states is not allowed to give weapons to units of foreign

militaries that commit gross human rights violations. and the very people who ran the office in the state department who were in charge of applying the leahy law say that there are dozens of israeli military units that under that standard should not be eligible for the u.s. weapons, but the u.s. has never applied its own law to israel. so, kamala harris is a former prosecutor, she talks a lot about following the law, she talks about lawlessness when it comes to donald trump, so she could simply say that under her presidency, the united states will apply the law equally to israel and all countries when it comes to armed sales and human rights violations, and that would produce a really dramatic change in u.s. policy. >> jim, you are the elder statesmen, if you will, of this conversation we are having, and

you also have a unique place and democratic policy discussions, because for decades, you have been working to get your party to take the question of palestine seriously. this was the scene and atlanta in july 1988 at the dnc. watch. >> the mr. chairman, we are making history today. today, the issue of palestinian rights is being debated by our party. we have won a victory today. the deadly silence that has for so long submerged the issue of palestinian rights has been shattered. >> so, jim, on one hand, organizing around this issue is the loudest and strongest it has ever been in america, it is safe to say. and at the same time, the situation there is more dire and deadly than it has ever been. what you make of that, and the fact that since you gave that speech in 1988, we are still not seeing palestinian statehood and the democratic party take this issue seriously?

>> number one, i am really old. thank you for reminding me. >> you are not. >> the real issue here, i really want to thank you for the work you have done, because here is the issue. in 1988, we had a jackson led effort, i was so proud to be a deputy campaign manager and adviser to that campaign. we did great work, arab americans, progressive jewish people, but it was jackson led. the difference in what is happening today is that it is not a candidate led effort, it is the people led effort. people like layla and shaheed who built this movement from the bottom up, have elected their own delegates. they're not jackson delegates [ inaudible ] that are uncommitted. there is an intersectionality to this issue that has brought together young people who have been mobilizing on environment, mobilizing on lgbtq rights, mobilizing on women's rights, and against widespread use of

guns, et cetera. these are the very folks who have come together around palestine. there is a fundamental shift. if you look at the polls, young people, nonwhite voters in particular, are almost 2-1 in moving the direction that we are talking about here. and i think kamala harris has to read the room. she cannot change policy, let's be clear about that. people shouldn't expect her to call for an arms embargo because she is vice president of the united states, but as peter is saying, she can enforce the law in her presidency. that, i think, is what she needs to do and what i hope she will do. she has given very good indications that she is responsive to this movement right now. she needs to go, i think, an extra step year, and i think it would really serve her well. it wouldn't cost or any votes, it would actually win her votes. >> so, to that point, when vice

president harris was in detroit last week, she got off to a rocky start, she was very dismissive to palestinian protesters, to the delight of the crowd. it was not the change in tone people wanted to see. she did take a different tone the next night in arizona, but in detroit, you had actually met with the vice president and walz backstage. tell us a little bit about that meeting, and have you seen anything at all that gives you hope that there will be a change in the first couple weeks of her accepting the nomination? >> backstage at the detroit rally, i had the chance to shake vice president harris's hand and tell her what i know to be true, that uncommitted voters and uncommitted delegates like me want to support harris, but neither to support a policy that stops sending weapons to the israeli military, that is using those weapons to kill people we love, to kill civilians. i asked if we could meet with her to discuss that, she indicated an openness to that.

i do find hope by the fact that she is engaging on this critical issue, but what is very important here is we, in the context of over 40,000 killed using u.s. bombs, in the context of the escalating bombings that are happening of palestinian civilians in gaza, of my own family members in south lebanon, my aunt called me and told me she is sleeping right now with her slippers under her pillow, so that way in case the bomb drops, she has something on her feet when she has to run. these are real human beings that we love that we are connected to. my advice to president harris is if you want to address the essential demands, the essential cries of protesters, of activists, of every day people all around our country who want to see a better approach, it is not a matter of a change of tone. tell us, tell me, vice president harris, until our movement, how do you plan to stop sending weapons to kill civilians, who happen to be -- many of them are our family members, our siblings, people

we love. i think it is a reasonable asking for us to want to hear about that ahead of this november's election. >> of course, peter, on the other side of this divide, you have donald trump who held an event with israeli mega donor miriam last week, she listed all the things that donald trump delivered for israel during his first term, and in exchange for donations this cycle, miriam edelson once the next trump administration to help israel annex the west bank, the occupied palestinian territories. and trump is going around saying this to try and win over jewish voters, take a listen: >> any jewish person that votes for her or a democrat has to go out and have their head examined. >> what do you make of his outreach efforts to jewish voters, and beyond the anti- semitism that he plays with, that he dabbles in, that he stokes, but this approach of trying to reach jewish voters by saying if you do not support

her, if you vote for kamala harris, you have to have your head examined? >> i mean, the thing donald trump will never really understand about most american jewish people is that most american jews kind of understand in our guts, in our marrow, as a people that were persecuted for thousands of years, that our safety lies with other people who are persecuted and marginalized. that our best allies are people who are fighting for equality under the law. and that this idea that you are going to win over jews by inviting jews into some white judeo-christian supremacist place in which we get to be on the winning side, along with donald trump, as is kind of supremacist, while we look down at people of color, thank god most american jews will not buy that. we know it is a false promise. we know that ultimately, our safety lies with the safety of other people who have faced oppression, and that's why

there are so many young american in particular who have rallied around palestinian freedom, because we see it through the prism of our own experience. when we hear about the family members being killed and nobody in the rocket cares, jews understand what that's like, and that's why donald trump's message isn't going to work. >> and trump is not just dabbling around in anti- semitism, he is not doing any outreach to palestinians. anyone who thinks it would be better on palestine is fooling themselves. he is actually using the word palestinian as a racist, derogatory term. just take a look at this point >> what happened to schumer, what happened to all these people? schumer is like a palestinian, right? a palestinian. >> it just makes it harder for those in the movement and others

who are waiting for something to feel hopeful about from kamala harris that there will be a chance, and the other choice is a guide who is denigrating and dehumanizing you every turn. >> more hope is possible today with kamala harris petting the ticket than joe biden, there is no question about that. her instinct is right, her feelings are right, and i think she has made that clear in private conversations, and also in her public statements. her treatment of netanyahu after the meeting was very, very different, making clear this is not a binary issue. making clear it is not israel's right to defend itself, but how they defend themselves that matters. look, we are not getting everything we want here, but the convention is providing a forum for palestinian voices. for the first time since 1988, we are not on the main stage, but we have a forum and we are bringing it to the mccormick center. the uncommitted folks are there, a doctor who was in gaza is going to be there. there is a clear sense that she

is trying to turn in a different direction. we have to keep pushing, and i think she is doing a great job pushing. this will work for her, not against her, she needs to change. >> all right, thank you so much. and the doctor that jim was talking about, one of those doctors will be joining us later on in the program. up next, the uncommitted who cast their ballots in protest of the war in gaza will have their voices represented at the dnc. the big question now, will their concerns lead to substantive change? stay with us. >> [ music ] >> [ music ] ♪ la la la la la [introspective music] recipes. recipes that are more than their ingredients. ♪ [smoke alarm] recipes written by hand and lost to time... can now be analyzed and restored

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as we discussed before the break, among the thousands of delegates expected to attend this weekend's dnc, just 36 will belong to the uncommitted movement, representing hundreds of thousands of voters across the country that were so angered by president biden's approach to gaza, they began a

protest vote movement. unconditioned is pushing for palestinian american representation at the convention, or at least a speaking slot for someone who has witnessed the horrors of the war firsthand, something like dr. tonya, pediatrician and humanitarian physician who has volunteered on the front lines in gaza, both before and since october 7th. i spoke with her earlier about the appearance she will be making on a panel at the dnc. dr. tonya, thank you so much for joining us. i will start by asking about the convention, the uncommitted movements request for a palestinian american or yourself to speak at the convention has not been met, yet at least. but the dnc is holding a panel with human rights advocates, which you are going to appear on. what is the significance of that panel in the context of the events at the dnc? >> yeah, so, i mean, the

significance of having myself on that panel is the fact that myself and every other american physician and surgeon that i know who has been to gaza all have the same urgent message, and it is a message we have been delivering ever since we returned. you know, we cannot unseat what we saw with our own eyes. we have decided that because there is no other way to protect human life amidst a military campaign that is destroying -- killing not only individuals directly, but also all the means of keeping human beings alive in general, that our work in saving human life's is impossible. so, we have acknowledged that we are not politicians, but we are still showing up at the convention to provide more on this to the delegates of the dnc. and understanding that an end to this is only way to protect and preserve human life, and to uphold the values that we championed and that so many of

those who will be electing or who have historically voted democrat champion as well. >> as you know, and certainly are aware of, it is the prime time speeches on the main stage that get the most attention at the dnc, and it is not to take away from anything you are participating in, but as you mentioned, you are possibly going to participate on a panel. do you feel like you have been listened to by dnc organizers about what value you could bring as someone who has been on the ground in gaza, witnessing the suffering firsthand? do you think the dnc genuinely wants to hear from people like you and your experience about what is happening in gaza. >> ayman, i don't think people have been listening to our voices from the very beginning, at least not the people who have the power to stop this genocide with a single phone call. we have been on tv, we have been writing papers, we have

been essentially outside of the areas that we have been trained to work. you know, we are not journalists, we are not politicians, but you have probably seen physicians, surgeons, nurses over and over again on your television screens, pleading for an end to this genocide, and yet the u.s. is still pledging arms. to israel. and this is very concerning. you know, while i was there, i witnessed entire family is massacred, i cared for multiple children who are the sole survivors of their family, and i discharged children, not with the feeling of relief that they survived their injuries, but with a fear for them, knowing that they are facing a russian roulette of different ways that the conditions architecture by israel in gaza will likely kill them in the next months, unless

we put an end to this. when we see human life threatened in so many different ways and we vocalize those over and over again to deaf ears, we turn up at political conventions, because we understand that that is the only way that -- one of the ways we hope we might have leverage. >> you use the word hope, and i wanted to ask you about that for a moment, because how do you see or feel about the possibility of a change in gaza, israel policy under a kamala harris presidency, how do you plan to keep fighting for that change when we have seen the biden-harris administration just approved $20 billion worth of new weapons for israel? are you hopeful that the presidency can be and will be different than a joe biden presidency? >> look, voters deserve to have their voice heard, and people

have taken to the streets now for months in larger and larger numbers. for many people, there are redlines that mean they can no longer support parties that they have supported in the past, and i think genocide is certainly a redline for me and a redline for many other people, and i sincerely hope that the harris-walz platform recognizes that they are going to be losing hundreds of thousands of votes at the very least if they do not change their outlook on this. i struggle to understand with any bit of my being how anybody could continue to support this and still sleep at night. >> it is absolutely heartbreaking to see it after 10 months. the images are absolutely heartbreaking, and to imagine this has been going on for 10 months is absolutely shocking. dr. tonya, i have to leave it at that, thank you so much, we

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rsv? make it arexvy. less than 80 days from the election and just five weeks into her brushed presidential run, vice president, harris is gaining on donald trump. new polling shows just one to three percentage points between harris and trump in t battle ground states including michigan, arizona, and georgia. the two are tied in pennsylvania and wisconsin. in order for harris to take this race by a landslide, he would have to win every battleground state, putting those won by trump in 2020 and 2016. but as enthusiasm grows around harris's campaign, some are suggesting that deep red states like texas could now be in play. even before harris's brad sommer, [ inaudible ] in 2012

for example, obama lost the state by 16 points. in 2016, clinton lost it by nine. in the last election, biden must buy only about five percentage points. former democratic texas congressman beto o'rourke has gone as far as calling texas a sleeper battleground state. he joins me now. it is great to see you again, thank you so much for making time for us. you know, history has not been kind to the democrats in texas. i believe the last time a democratic presidential candidate won texas was in 1976 during jimmy carter's election. do you think 2024 will be different for democrats, and how do you get them there? >> well, that trajectory that you described of obama losing the state by 16 points in 2012 and then in 2020, biden losing it by about 5 1/2, 16-9 with clinton to 5 1/2 with biden,

all of that took place without any investment from the democratic national committee, without any of those democratic nominee is spending a second in the state of texas to rally or campaign or to turn out the vote, that is just the natural trend of the state. and of course, when i ran against ted cruz in 2018, we got within 2 1/2 points of defeating the sitting junior senator. it would have been the first time a democrat would have won since 1988. so, it is bound to happen, it's clear that this is where it is going, that's why republicans try so hard to disenfranchise so many texas voters who they assume will vote for democrats. it is tougher to cast a ballot in texas or to register to vote in this state than it is in any other. it is a matter of time and effort. the more effort we put in, the more of us who put that effort in, the shorter the weight is going to be. so, to answer your question, is it going to be in 2024 or 2028 or 2032, i mean, that effort is

going to tell. and i will tell you, there are a lot of people who are putting that time and effort in now. we have a group called power by people, so thousands of folks are getting for their volunteer deputy registrar certification, so under texas law, they can legally register people to vote, then staying in touch with those newly registered likely democratic voters to make sure they can navigate these incredibly onerous election laws, and turn out to president hais --

>> give you some examples. texas is the least injured state in the country, meaning it is harder and more expensive to see a doctor or get a prescription for life-saving medication than it is anywhere else. we lead the nation, for example, in childhood diabetes steps. we are also the epicenter for an internal mortality crisis, three times as deadly for black women in the state of texas. why? because we have the most obscene abortion ban in the country, and not only have texas republicans outlawed abortion, they made it nearly impossible for underserved communities -- for women there to be able to get a cervical cancer screening or family planning help or really to see a doctor at all. we have a minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, so if you're working one of those jobs, you are

working two or three of those jobs to make ends meet. and lastly, public education, the bedrock of the texas success story is under aggressive attack by governor greg abbott right now, trying to replace public schools, public school educators, and classrooms with vouchers that will go to private schools and help kids who are already going to private schools in the big cities like dallas and houston, san antonio, leaving rural texans and underserved communities absolutely out of luck. the candidates who can speak to that, and democrats have a golden opportunity right now up and down the ballot, i think are going to make really big games this year. and again, a lot of really important races on the line up and down the ballot. >> yeah, one of those races, the one i was going to ask you about, your former opponent ted cruz making his case for a third term, he is against democratic congressman colin already. polls show ted cruz up by three percentage points. what it is going to take for colin allred to get across the

finish line and unseat ted cruz? >>: can win this. colin allred ran against a sitting incumbent republican in texas who no one thought any had chance of all of winning that seat, collin allred beat him, and when he beat him, he legislated in a way that brought republicans and democrats together around those very issues that i just described right now that make every day texans' lives better. if he can continue to tell that story across the state and contrast it with ted cruz, who not only helped to incite the insurrection in january 2021, but when this state lost power literally, i mean, no more heat, no more water in our pipes because they were frozen, no more electricity, 700 texans lost their lives, many of them freezing to death in their homes, ted cruz went to the ritz carlton in cancun, collin allred was on the ground trying to help people in this state.

that issue of character, i think, is going to be absolutely defining in this race. we can make it about that, then collin allred defeats ted cruz in november. >> congressman, please stick around. i'm going to sneak in a quick record afterwards, i'm going to ask how you think the vice president should address the issue of immigration in the key state of texas. stay with us. >> [ music ] >> reporter: the other guys." ok. stop. i'll just do it. check out the t-mobile savings calculator to see how much you can save. you built this? it was easy once i found the parts. looks like you need a break. the general gives you one with flexible payment options. look, a chemical reaction! oh! [robotic sound] for a great low rate, go with the general. hit it again, gen! why do couples choose a sleep number smart bed? focan it keep me warm go when i'm cold?al. wait, no, i'm always hot. sleep number does that.

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heading into the dnc, there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding where president -- vice president harris will take her immigration platform, something that remains a key issue for voters in this election. beto o'rourke is back with me. congressman, what is your advice to the vice president on this? you have got republicans trying to paint her as a border czar, then you have god immigration reform advocates saying she should be bolder in her policies, suggesting things like a pathway to citizenship. you have had a unique perspective on this since you are from the border city of el

paso, you have talked to people on the ground, what is it that you want to see from the harris campaign on this issue? >> we want to see a safe, legal, orderly path for people who want to come here and do better for themselves, but also very importantly, do better for this country. if we can get that done, if the harris-walz administration can tackle that as their priority in the first 100 days, not only will that be the right thing to do, not only will it honor the best traditions of this country, not only will it supercharge the united states economy, but it will allow us to focus on the very real threats that exist on the border, fentanyl, trafficking, human smuggling, other things against which we must be vigilant, but right now are much tougher to enforce when you're dealing with hundreds of thousands of people who do not have normal, regular, safe, legal ways to come to this country. i get it as a border resident,

i tell you what, kamala harris gets it, because she used to represent a border state in the united states senate, she used to prosecute these traffickers and smugglers as attorney general of the state of california. i think she can get this done. and what i saw her and president biden do in working with very conservative republicans in the senate, because it was necessary to get something done to bring a border bill forward, is an example of her making sure not to allow the perfect to become the enemy of the good, and to finally get something done. and it would have gotten done but for donald trump blowing up the deal because he doesn't want a solution, he wants to run on the problem. >> yeah, donald trump blowing up the deal, but i also have to ask about the governor of your state. greg abbott has vowed to keep busting migrants to sanctuary cities, even though migrant apprehensions are actually at a record low. as of february, texas has spent more than $148 million on this political theater, on this stunt. your thoughts on the way greg abbott and republicans in your

state have been exploiting this issue for political theater? >> ayman, it's not just that, it's literally the billions of dollars that he has spent of our texas tax dollars to call other members of the guard involuntarily, to string wire, not just on the shores of the rio grande, but under the water level, which ensnares migrants, young mothers, kids who have drowned in the river. five years ago in del paso border patrol sector, six migrants lost their lives. last year, more than 140 people died. and i know that no one really wants to talk about that, i know no one really thinks their lives are important, but they are, and this will be a stain on our conscience and on this country unless we fix it. and the man most responsible for that right now is greg abbott. so, i would love to see strong leadership from the harris-walz administration, yes to, to secure the border, to make sure we rewrite our immigration laws

in the reflection of our reality, of our values, in our national interest, and to finally stop kicking this can down the road, because not only are we failing to make the most of those who want to come here and make this country better, not only are we failing to meet the real threats where they are, but politically, this will continue to be an albatross around the neck of democrats until a democratic administration solves the problem, and i think that harris-walz will do that in office. >> why do you think, congressman, democrats have not thought texas was in play for them? why have they not done that effort, as you said, or commit their resources and time to try to win that state if the trajectory is naturally gone in their direction? >> i don't know the answer, but we know in texas is the calvary is not coming to our rescue, this one is on us, so we are supporting our candidates, knocking on doors, registering voters, and doing everything we can to make sure we win up and down the ballot in november.

>> shifting gears here before we go, a controversial question, there is a debate among texans, if it came down to it, who should the vice president pick to perform at her event in the texas or the dnc, beyonce or megan the stallion? >> well. i would say you would want both of them, but if i could add one more, the defining texas legend willie nelson. then you have a show that will never be eclipsed again in human history. so, that would be my boat. >> that is a trio that is evidently undefeatable. beto o'rourke, thank you for your time, always a pleasure. still to come, remember when wearing a mask was mandatory? in one new york county, it is now a crime. >> [ music ] >> [ music ]

if you live in nassau county, new york just outside of new york city, you can no longer hide your face in public, that's because the long island suburb just implemented the mask transparency act, a ban on wearing face coverings that hide your identity in public with though it is billed as an attempt to target those who commit crimes while mast, violators face up to a year in jail and a $1000 fine. a member of the nassau county legislator says that the measure was introduced in response to what you said were anti-semitic incidents perpetrated by those in masks since the october 7th attack on israel.

not only does this ban represent yet another example of politicians unfairly demonizing pro-palestinian demonstrators, the vast majority of whom peacefully protested against u.s. policy on israel, it also interferes with the right to free speech and peaceful protest. as the new york civil liberties union notes, masks protect people who express political controversial opinions, and sometimes it is necessary. student protesters at columbia university were masks out of fear of being suspended. others fear and blacklisted by potential per employers. the band makes exceptions for religious and health reasons, but that raises questions over how the role will be enforced. can officers with a history of bias be trusted to make these determinations without resorting to racial profiling? although legal experts say this ban won't make it through the courts, the door has now been cracked open. eric adams and kathy hochul are considering a similar proposal

for neck city, with kathy hochul saying she would consider an added penalty with suspects charged in crimes while they are wearing a mask. look, there are so many holes in the logic behind this law, it is hard to keep track of, but let's call it for what it is, a way for people in power to score political points and intimidate those who are trying to hold them to account. a new hour of ayman after this.

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