on this new hour of ayman, the harris campaign is taking a page from an old gop playbook to win over republicans and it is working. plus trump allies are sending players to the former president, warning he is -- personal info. can anyone get trump back on track? and a case of rape of a palestinian detainee that is discussing -- sparking a major discussion in israel and beyond. my name is ayman mohyeldin, let's begin. these days, there have been two words closely associated with kamala harris' -- a one time reference turn cultural phenomenon and weird, is simply yet effective knock on trump maga. there are two other -- >> we want dignity for all people. we want to recognize the right all people have -- especially

those that are about heart and home. not having their government tell them what to do. >> some of us remember what was republicans who were talking about freedom. there's a golden rule, mind your own business. >> that's right. she's taking freedom and liberty right out of republicans ' mouth. and of course, branding machine tim walz is putting his own spin on it with mind your own -- business. liberty, that's essentially been the property of the gop ever since ronald reagan first ran for office. over the past two decades, republicans have stopped being the natural conduits of that -- to control what books children

can read, to control which bathrooms people can use. the harris-walz ticket saw an opening and shrewdly interested some help from pop-culture royalty. >> freedom, freedom, freedom come a loose. ♪ freedom, freedom, where are you, because i need freedom, too. ♪ >> last month, beyonce granted harris -- and the message seems to be resonated not just with democrats, but with republicans who can't will themselves to vote for donald trump. recently, the group republicans for harris one campaign within a campaign, targeted primary voters who backed former u.n. ambassador nikki haley and unlike nikki haley, still will not back trump. harris immediately unveiled more than two dozen gop endorsements, including former republican governor bill well, former congressman denver ritalin, and former press secretary stephanie grisham,

and that list -- had a virtual rally attended by over 70,000 people. >> do you want this republican party to change? do you want it to be ronald reagan's party again? do you wanted to be a party that stands for limited opportunity again? >> and i can say, that is why am voting for kamala harris because i want a future for my children and my grandchildren that embraces freedom and liberty and equality and democracy. >> there are those keywords again, freedom and liberty. those turns -- terms were referenced throughout the call. and now, they are trying to expand their reach to even more dissolution never trumpers. the -- from adam kinzinger, a

vocal term critic who served on the january 6 committee. according to a cnn report, he is expected to speak at the convention on thursday night. the same night as vice president kamala harris with me now is director of haley voters for harris and the upcoming -- dial. it's great to have you on the show, craig. you ran the haley voters for biden pack -- pac. was the support for president biden as enthusiasm before he dropped out of the race, what may have re-energized this group of voters when harris announced her campaign? >> thanks for having me. i think there's a mixture. there were some folks who were comfortable with president biden because they knew more of what they were getting but most, i think, of these voters, the haley voters, they have really joined the rest of the

country in kind of the lift of enthusiasm with the change to the vice president at the top of the ticket. look, people have been saying that they wanted a generational change for a very long time, that they wanted a new sense of energy and that's exactly what the vice president has brought. i think across the board. >> let me ask you about your group for a moment. nikki haley has a strongly endorsed donald trump, despite criticizing him. she's come back and kiss the ring. she even set your group a cease- and-desist letter because of the name of your group. why keep the name haley voters for harris, and how much do you think her former voters are swayed by her choice to invoke doors trump? -- endorsed trump? >> i am a haley voter from the pennsylvania primary, one of 160,000 of us were registered republicans and a close primary in pennsylvania, which, by the way, is four times the margin by which donald trump won the state in 2016. it's a potentially decisively large group of voters.

i think a lot of us have respect for the former governor. she's made her decision and that's fine but it's certainly not transferable to all of these voters. most people who voted for nikki haley in the primary after she had already dropped on the campaign weren't really voting for her, they were voting against donald trump. they were voting against the authoritarian bent of the trumpets republican party. -- they are going to send that to the country come november 5th. >> what you think vice president kamala harris and tim walz have been doing specifically to bring more republicans on board, if anything? is there anything specific about harris policies or is this more about trump posing a threat to democracy that you want to categorically reject, regardless of who is on the other side? >> there's obviously, this is a coalition of people who want to protect and revive american

democracy and coalitions in american political history are crucial to getting change accomplished. there is an anti-trump base to this, but there is a genuine attraction to the vice president. she is somebody who has, over the course of her career, done many things that are appealing to people who are in the center right. the trump campaign is going to spend $1 billion trying to paint her as -- but the reality is that she has been in central american politics. the policies that she has supported with president biden in the policies that she is now letting out for her own future administration are in the center of american politics. they are not extreme, they are not radical left, and a vote for her by people who are still registered republicans is not something that they need to feel somehow difficult or awkward about. that's the primary message of

our pac, to make the positive case for the vice president in this trade-off against donald trump. >> all right, craig snyder, thank you so much for your time. we really appreciate it. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> my -- of the siena project and former gop communications director jason celtic, comedian and part of the podcast the good liars. i will start with you. long time just give me your thoughts on how you feel when you see former republicans and the -- -- support harris, stand up for our democracy. >> i think it's about time. that's why mike cofounder, michelle kenney and i started the -- we looked at these haley voters -- who were sick and tired of -- it's a misogynist

party now. on top of other things. we sign opening here. that's who we speak to. we are a bipartisan super pack targeting women, particularly these -- we are thrilled to see this coming to the forefront now because it takes that permission structure from fellow republicans to tell them it is okay, the waters warm over here, you will be just fine. you're not going to spontaneously combust if you decide to cross party lines and do the right thing. no one knows who you decide to vote for when you go into that ballot box or you check that -- between you and your ballot. -- the more people who get that permission structure and see the republicans, i left the party because i think it's irredeemable at this point, but

i commend my fellow republican friends who are fighting the good fight and doing the right thing this time, putting country over party because this is really no comparison. it is the future of our country if they hear -- at stake here and what can a country will want to leave our daughters and granddaughters. is it forward thinking or is it a country that is regressive, backwards looking attempt at retribution by donald trump and maga. i think the contrast can be more clear and i'm glad to see more of punk and speaking out. >> jason, you have a unique insight into this because you know very well when you leave trump or if you leave the maga world, you're immediately cast as a traitor and you are dismissed, whether it's liz cheney, adam kinzinger, or anyone else, really. how do you feel when you go out

there and you talk to them and you asked them about what about this from elegant? roman republican people horsing the trump is not good for this country? >> it's a question we ask a lot, why did bill barr find no evidence -- and well, he is a rino. trump appointed him? trump appointed him. but i keep going back and i'm thinking about the last 36 days. we were in butler, p.a. at the rally where the assassination attempt happened. we left before the shooting happened but when we got to the news of it, the whole nation was like, everything has changed right now. i think i thought, who is this donald trump that we are going to see at the republican national convention? who is he going to pick as his vp pick, he had the opportunity to pick someone like nikki haley that would widen the tent a little bit but he picked j.d. vance. like, basically, a senator, yes, but he is basically like a subpar podcast host who gets weirder and weirder with every single interview he does. his poll numbers are worse than sarah palin. >> and then donald trump says i

don't think i have changed from the shooting. i think i've actually gotten worse and i think a lot of moderate republicans are hearing that like this guy has gotten worse? the guy that turned me off in 2020, the guy that made me want to go to nikki haley now, and there thinking how could this possibly get any worse? i think they want him a moderate republicans want a leader like john mccain or romney -- to graciously concede they lost the election, not create a whole new reality for which he was the winner of the election and everyone has to like kiss the ring and say yes, the election was stolen. >> you probably want someone else who is not engaged in like name slinging and questioning the race of their opponent and saying derogatory and racist comments at every turn. it's a very low bar. the bar keeps getting lower and lower. >> you could -- and aunt could

limbo the bar. >> tara is the cofounder and ceo of the siena project -- the seneca project. are you conducting outreach of your own to former haley voters? >> yeah. i mean, that was the foundation for well this is why we started. we thought there was an appetite for an alternative. they just needed the permission structure. we are a woman led organization. we are women speaking to women about what is at stake and i think the more that we put it out there and they look at what is at stake, and also now look at the contrast. we weren't supportive of biden before, but now that kamala harris is there, it has really galvanized women and we are seeing that reflected in the polls right now. the recent polling coming out from the new york times shows that kamala harris has a plus 17 advantage over trump when it comes to women.

that is six points higher than hillary clinton had in 2016. this is significant and it's two points higher than what trump has with men. there's a significant gender gap going into the selection and we firmly believe that women are going to make the difference. we galvanized women, we can save our democracy and everything else at this point. the women are going to decide the selection and maga can keep insulting women all they want. they can keep underestimating the power of women at their own peril because we are seeing it reflected now in the polls and in the enthusiasm where women, including republican women who are not okay with what the republican party has turned into. it's the mega maga misogynist party. they are not okay with that and you are seeing this now in places like arizona, where you have ballot initiatives with women's reproductive rights on the ballots, you had a record number sitting -- record- setting number of signatures. does not bipartisan -- it's not just coming out from -- the girl dads were upset about what's going on. they don't want their daughters going up with that. my good friend and carter's been denver is -- and he is on

the advisory bold -- part of that outreach to give that permission structure. we are very encouraged by this but is still very close. let's be very clear about this year. it still going to take a lot to win. >> tara brings up a lot of points. on the one hand, you have a lot of women who have stood rhetorically -- historically participate in election. they vote the higher rate than men do in this country, and at the same time, you are at a critical point in the history where our daughters are having less freedoms than their mothers and, in some cases, even their grandmothers, and it's a bad per trajectory. you would think that donald trump would prohibit and recognize that situation. he

didn't do it in 2020 and people say you need to do something to try to win over suburban women and suburban moms. he honestly did not do that and then, to your point, he went ahead and picked j.d. vance and really just, you know, putting gasoline on a fire with the cat lady,. >> exactly. leave it to j.d. vance to just insult a group of people just out of nowhere but he keeps doing it. >> over and over and over again. but one thing we have seen a trump rallies and we were on the primary campaign trail, roe v. wade was a big issue for them. a lot of them had moderate views on that. they believe in a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body and even at trump rallies now, we were in bozeman, montana last week. i would say like a good 25% of the people we talk to, it's a question we asked every single person. they thought a woman should have the right to choose what they can do with their body. they believed in the right to abortion. i think now you see donald trump saying we are kicking it back to the states. a lot of people are smart and they realize he put those supreme court justices in. roe v. wade is gone as of

donald trump. >> and they are pivoting and singing people like lindsey graham saying they want a national abortion ban and is pivoting and thing he wants it at the state level. republicans can't be trusted on this issue anymore then, you know, then they have already demonstrated to us. don't go anywhere. >> we can see that. women see that. women see that. they are not stupid. we see what they have done and what they've said. you are not going to guess like the women of america to believe that he didn't do this to us. he did. >> 100%. >> the common denominator that j.d. vance has with insults is that they are all groups of women. >> yeah. jason, tara, don't go anywhere. we will go to a quick break. on the other side, we will talk to someone from's closest allies that are trying to save him from himself. a tall order for this guy, but we will discuss it nonetheless. . he prefers real, human-grade food. it's... ...like real food! it is! he's a happy dog now.

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>> less than 80 days until the election, and son of donald trump's -- some of donald trump sycophants suggest that if he doesn't change course, he will lose. >> the profligate tour, the showman may not win this election, so i am looking for president trump to show up in the last 80 days to define what he will do for our country. >> almost any other republican candidate will be winning this race by 10 points. trump can say look, i'm entitled to be -- nobody cares what you are entitled to. do what you have to do to get the votes and win. >> but trump keeps defying his

are public and allies, escalating his attacks against harris, going after her gender, her appearance, as recently as last night in pennsylvania, repeatedly saying he's a better looking candidate than her and insulting her laugh. his closest gop allies have reason to worry. abc news ipsos pull leads in the national election by four points within the margin of error. it's a complete reversal from the poll that had biden and trump tied 46%. so how can republicans get this 78-year-old trump to magically change overnight? honestly, you probably can't, but msnbc political analyst and strategist suggested this week that the campaign team should not be blamed for trump's inadequacies. but their job is to figure out how to house train him. one way might be to remind him why he is running in the first place. not to lead the nation, but to

avoid federal prosecution and the possibility of prison time. if that's not a motivator, nothing will be. my panel is back. thinkable to think that the best way to motivate a candidate is like, you're doing this to stay out of prison. >> you want to go to prison? if not, shut up and find other talking points. it's quite remarkable that this guy has no message discipline. >> is not remarkable? >> it's remarkable that he got to that point, if you will, as a candidate, despite the fact that he has lost in 2020 and the runway has not materialized that he's not even willing to have this kind of pivot and say let me see if i need to adjust. >> i just want to say really fast about lindsey graham. i think it's really funny that he's up there like we don't need the showman. like yeah, you don't want the showman because the showman put out your cell phone number on national television nine years ago. but look, maybe people should be telling it like you should be trying to avoid jail. i know if i had federal crimes pending right now, i might be like maybe i should take a step back, how did i get here, what can i do different?

he is doing the exact same thing, over and over again. is already thing the selections going to be stolen, that harris is cheating. if donald trump so he doesn't do his own we are way -- his wade, weird way. like that there's -- now he is just trying to -- >> he's an old, senile man who doesn't make sense. he rambles on and on, he was just completely losing control of any kind of mental acuity and now, this is who republicans are stuck with. there's no escaping that. but he's very sensitive. he's a very, very sensitive guy. these crowd sizes, really getting under his skin. he starting to like, the one thing you can say is that joe biden could draw a crowd and now harris has this huge -- it pokes holes in his logic. >> and tara, how is it when someone as sycophantic as lindsey graham is saying you

are in trouble? >> i don't give any credibility to anything lindsey graham says, he just mparticle trying to latch onto something to stay relevant and that just happens to be trump this time. i don't really care what lindsey graham has to say, and frankly, governor sununu was insulting kamala harris in that interview this morning, saying she didn't think she was smart enough to understand her own economic plan. again, he is over here castigating trump for the insults and what he's entitled to, but yet he is still towing the trump line of insulting kamala harris' intelligence. quite rich, especially coming from maga world where they have a guy at the top of the ticket who was the biggest ignoramus to ever occupy the white house in history. again, it goes back to the contrast. the fact that republicans -- what i think is going to happen, he's going to turn into someone normal, he is not a normal guy.

he's a malignant narcissist sociopath who is obsessed with dictatorships and sharks and vote batteries and windmills and birds and wears fake makeup and whatever that is on his head and goes out to rallies and actually tries to convince the american people that he is confident to run this country again. he wasn't in the first place. now it's old and people are looking through it. so not only is the lounge act old, he is really old, and people -- they know what they have chosen. they made this decision because they thought, well, if we can is up to him, he's going to win again and we will be back in power. lindsey graham's of the world and many others, they know good and ivf -- well that he is not fit to run, but they want him in power so they can be in power and they will sell their souls to do it. >> you can see his trajectory in the coming weeks and months in this race. >> good luck. he's never changing other people. >> exactly. tara setmayer, jason selvig,

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before what could be a history making election, another historic first for the 2024 presidential race. one of america's oldest latino civil rights groups endorsed a presidential ticket. vice president kamala harris and governor tim walz, for the first time in its 95 year history, the league of united latin american citizens made the endorsement after launching its own political action committee. the group had consider forming a pac for years but the prospect of another trump presidency is what pushed over the edge. as chair of the pac, domingo garcia said the politics of hatemongering and scapegoating latinos and immigrants must be stopped. joining me not to discuss this is domingo garcia himself. chair of the catalans hey --

packed. tell us about how your organization came to this decision and -- this is the first time -- what id did you guys see at your time that you did not see in 2016 and 2020 that made you endorse a rival candidate? like when we saw the rhetoric coming from x president trump, when we saw those signs, mass deportations now, when he was talking about really, weirdo, wacko, bizarro things like i'm going to abolish -- defunding public education. many go to public schools. go to public university, go to a -- that is something that we take very seriously. the economy, the fact of the matter, the essential workers of america. there are those that are picking the crops that we eat every day. they are in the

packing plants, and yet the minimum wage has not been raised and donald trump is not going to raise it and then we saw that the project 2025, where they were talking about sending the army and going door- to-door and asking people to show you your papers and he was going to build a mass confrontation to -- a mass concentration camp for immigrants. we are not going back and we need to have something positive and hopeful and that's what vice president harris brings to this campaign. the daughter of immigrants, someone who wants to pass border security but also a bipartisan, someone who wants to help education, someone who says she's going to raise the minimum wage, whose not going to tax the waiters and waitresses. that's how i worked my way through law school. all those combined to say enough is enough, it's make a difference and we are going to put our foot down in states like nevada, georgia, arizona,

was monson -- wisconsin where we have thousands of members. >> what's the sentiment been among member since this endorsement was made public, was there any dissent or debate within the organization as to this is the right time and kamala harris and tim walz of the right people? >> well, you know, we have 23,000 members in 43 states and puerto rico. we have a lot of law enforcement, a lot of democrats and independents. we had a few that were concerned about it but the vast majority of our membership said no, it's time to make a difference. it's time that the hands that pick the cotton, the vegetables, and build our cities of the same hands that elect the next president of the united states. that view was kamala harris was the best candidate and the far superior candidate to make a difference for latino families and american families overall. >> let's talk about policy -- more border agents or different

approaches, what would your organization specifically like to see her address on the issue of immigration, for example? what specific policies? >> we need to secure the border. we need to pass a reform of the asylum process that's been abused in the past. primarily because republicans won't help pass a bipartisan bill. if we have, it democrats can control the house, the senate and the presidency, i think we can pass sensible immigration reform that will secure borders, go after the drug cartels, go after the human smugglers, but also have a humane legal option for people that come to this country that are -- the american dream. we know what trump says. he uses latinos and immigrants as political pinata's to bash and bash. they are all criminals and they are all and they're all

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the point is you are about to see is from a protester return riot in israel from the end of last month. this protest was not against israel's discretion -- destruction of the gaza strip, now deemed an extermination campaign by the united nations and being -- nor was it against prime minister netanyahu's refusal to agree to a hostage release deal. the man widely seen around the world as being the biggest obstacle to such a deal. no, these protesters, which included members of the israeli military and the israeli government were demanding the

release of soldiers arrested on suspicion of raping a palestinian 18 -- detaining. it got so heated that the israeli military had to send two battalions as reinforcements to help quell them. as is really outlet said it was, quote, a ride for impunity that shows israel's proud embrace of its crime the protesters, once a fringe group are now the public face of the state, it said. rather than complete outrage and denunciation of the use of sodomy and other forms of torture, on advocates in the israeli media and government. in a heated debate in july, one parliamentarian asked if it was legitimate to, quote, insert a stick into a person's rectum. a lawmaker in the party shouting yes, if the detainee is a hamas militant, then, quote, everything is legitimate

to do. everything. sadly, this is not the -- as a weapon of war. nor is the advocacy of torture and guile can find different parts of his really society. -- posted on x, unbelievable. on a popular is really morning show, a commentator argued that israel should approve torture and rape as policy and they just let him go on. israeli media has normalize the most extreme voices. the prominent israeli human rights group released a study called welcome to hell . the detailed reporting exposes how israel's prison system turned into a network of torture champs -- camps. they collected the testimony of 55 palestinians incarcerated in israeli prisons about their treatment after their release. their conclusion? israel is conducting a systematic institutional policy

focused on the continual abuse and torture of all palestinian prisoners, including frequent acts of severe arbitrary violence, sexual assault, humiliation, degradation, and deliberate starvation, forced on -- unhygienic conditions, sleep deprivation and denial of -- among other forms of torture. as if this harrowing report wasn't enough, a shocking video was also broadcast on israeli television last week, appearing to show is really soldiers gang raping a palestinian prisoner at the detention facility ice mentioned earlier in late july. nbc nightly news has not confirmed -- or if it was of that incident, but -- spoke to the doctor who treated the prisoner and said he suffered from a ruptured bowel, a severe injury to his heinous, lung damage, and broken ribs. five soldiers are in custody for allegations of serious abuse and that an investigation is -- for his part, the -- for

comment about the alleged abuse but did call for -- on behalf of the soldiers accused of committing rape. recently asked about both the footage of the gang rape. here is how he responded. >> we have seen the video and reports of sexual abuse, detainees are horrific. they are to be investigated fully by the government of israel, by the idf. >> when asked about the report about is really torture cams and whether they should be an independent investigation, miller had this to say. >> look, there are to be zero tolerance for sexual abuse, rape have any detainee, period . that's a fundamental belief of the united states, and if there are detainees who have been abused, or detainees who have been sexually assaulted or

raped, the government of israel and the idf need to investigate those actions and hold those accountable to the full extent of the law. >> the u.s. government, supposedly fighting for the rules-based international order, is still going with the talking point that the government of israel should investigate itself, despite compelling evidence that it is running a torture campaign, including gang rape. the fact that -- despite the fact that they are openly advocating for both rape and the soldiers committing it, how much longer will america allow this to go on? when we come back. human rights lawyer will join me to discuss this and much more. stay tuned.

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e*trade from morgan stanley will before the break, i mentioned by the israeli human great -- rights group, systemic torture inside -- 55 recent released palestinian prisoners. before, they explained this is not a new phenomenon. they are telling states that since 1967, israel has imprisoned over 800,000 palestinian men and women from the west bank, and the gaza strip, which accounts for about 20% of the total population at about 40% of all palestinian men. i am joined now by -- palestinian -- great to see you again. it's great to see you again.

-- palestinian men and women who have been -- tell us a little bit about the -- in the occupation -- do these detainees have. do they have trials or not? >> virtually none. it's important to keep in mind, ayman, that what we are seeing, particularly when it comes to the -- prison camp or actually it's a torture camp, is that the vast majority of these palestinians are palestinians who have been picked up from the gaza strip and thrown into the detention center, the torture camp without any due process, without the ability to see a lawyer, to speak to a lawyer, without appearing before a judge and we don't actually even know the full

picture. we certainly don't even have the numbers. the latest statistic that we have is that there are 21,000 palestinians who have been picked up just since october, being held in these prison camps. many of them are children. it's important to keep in mind that all of these people are coming out from state -- these other prison camps are talking about repeated torture and rape and of course, all of these people are civilians. it's important to keep that in mind because as people try to blur the distinction between combatants and noncombatants, each and every one of these people, each and every one of the palestinians that have been held in these prison camps is a civilian and yet they been tortured repeatedly, oftentimes sexually abuse, and with no access to lawyers, no axis to judges, no access to any form of legal system whatsoever. >> you have conducted interviews

with some of these released prisoners. what have they told you about their treatment in israeli prisons? or is really torture camps, as they have been saying and calling them. what are you hearing firsthand? >> oh, ayman, it's hard to even describe the things they been going through. everything from having their hands and legs shackled 24 hours a day, being placed in a fetal position, a circle drawn around them, and not being able to cross this circle across this line is been drawn around them. if they do, they are tortured. if they speak up, they are tortured. if they ask for water, they are tortured. many of them have been describing that their bones were broken and many of them talk to me about the lack of medical treatment. one man in particular told me how the is really prison guards broke his ribs and he was bleeding, vomiting blood, and even medical care there, they

told him that if he sought medical treatment that he just might disappear. it is everything from extreme torture to many of them talked about the sexual abuse that they have gone through. many of them have also talked about witnessing torture. for example, one man told me that the only time that the blindfold was removed from him was to be able to witness another palestinian being tortured and so, in addition to the physical abuse that he was enduring, it was the psychological torture of seeing someone else being abused, being tortured, and being raped. they have told me about the lack of water, the inability to take a shower one young man, 18 years old, told me that he was denied the ability to shower for 50 days, forced to remain in the same clothing. others who have been people who have stayed there without charge, without trial for such

a long period of time talked about also having, i don't even know how to describe it, but you know, repeated rape, being subjected to repeated rape with objects put inside their bodies, including batons, including being attacked by dogs and so on. the stories that are coming out are horrific and the problem here, ayman is that is really society now is so used to the stories that they are not even questioning what's happening. in fact, they are very much supportive of it. there is just a poll that came out today by the israel institute for security studies said that 65% of people polled believe that those soldiers that have carried out this brutal gang rape should only be subjected to disciplinary measures and they should be

facing any criminal. >> let me ask you about the broader debate is taking place in israeli society. you speak the language, you know that country in and out. what is it like witnessing this heated public debate were some members of the public are openly calling for sodomy or openly fighting on behalf of of those that are committing sodomy against palestinian prisoners? >> you know, ayman, this is the result of decades of dehumanization of palestinians were becomes okay to do whatever they want to do to palestinians. it didn't start in october. it certainly predates it. we have politicians like the former justice minister saying that palestinian mothers are snakes. we have the israeli president say that there are no innocents in gaza, and when you hear individual after individual just claiming that every person should be subjected, to be shown who is boss. that this is the result of decades of dehumanization and it's important to keep in mind

that, you know, what israel is doing now, this is not torture that's being done to obtain information, and by the way, that is illegal, but this is not being done in order to attain information, or by any stretch of the imagination. it is simply done to exact revenge, to show who is boss and the fact that we are seeing within israeli society people literally rioting for the right to rape palestinians to shows you how is really society is thinking where they are today. and it is because they haven't been told -- given a red light by the international community and enough is enough. >> thank you so much for time, diana buttu and your reporting on this. we look forward to talking to you again. really appreciate you joining us. >> thank you, ayman. thank you. a few moments ago, tim walz and kamala harris arrived in chicago ahead of tomorrow's dnc pick up his kickoff. this is the last stop of what

has been a very busy day for the democratic ticket, including a bus tour through battleground pennsylvania. that will do it for me tonight. thank you for making time for us. make sure to catch ayman here each saturday and sunday. follow us on x. until then, i am ayman mohyeldin , thank you for watching. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection.

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